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Re: Steve borley, the public face of cardiff city.

Wed Jul 03, 2013 10:17 am

Good points Jama

Maybe I was writing a bit rose tinted at the overall aspect
rather than the detail.

If he called be a hooligan, Id kick off and smash his pub up :lol:

Re: Steve borley, the public face of cardiff city.

Wed Jul 03, 2013 11:33 am

Gonzo wrote:If someone is who is in a position of influence is spreading misinformation then the club is correct in my opinion in commenting on said misinformation openly on the same public forum, be that a message board or social media.

This forum has thousands of members who like it or not could be influenced by the views and opinions of the people who run the board.

The club must respond to allegations that are made which are evidently false to ensure that the fans are not mislead



Nothing there that can be argued with. Fully agree, the club have to respond to stories/accusations if they are false.

Must be difficult at times not to get in an argument with someone on a social networking site. But that is all part of being a "public" figure. Disagreeing in the pub or in private is very different to arguing in a place where it is held for ever (internet). Something a lot of people need to grasp these days.

Re: Steve borley, the public face of cardiff city.

Wed Jul 03, 2013 11:40 am

glas wrote:
Gonzo wrote:If someone is who is in a position of influence is spreading misinformation then the club is correct in my opinion in commenting on said misinformation openly on the same public forum, be that a message board or social media.

This forum has thousands of members who like it or not could be influenced by the views and opinions of the people who run the board.

The club must respond to allegations that are made which are evidently false to ensure that the fans are not mislead



Nothing there that can be argued with. Fully agree, the club have to respond to stories/accusations if they are false.

Must be difficult at times not to get in an argument with someone on a social networking site. But that is all part of being a "public" figure. Disagreeing in the pub or in private is very different to arguing in a place where it is held for ever (internet). Something a lot of people need to grasp these days.


How many other prem league clubs have a director spouting off on twitter and football forum do you know of?

Re: Steve borley, the public face of cardiff city.

Wed Jul 03, 2013 11:41 am

jama wrote:
glas wrote:
Gonzo wrote:If someone is who is in a position of influence is spreading misinformation then the club is correct in my opinion in commenting on said misinformation openly on the same public forum, be that a message board or social media.

This forum has thousands of members who like it or not could be influenced by the views and opinions of the people who run the board.

The club must respond to allegations that are made which are evidently false to ensure that the fans are not mislead



Nothing there that can be argued with. Fully agree, the club have to respond to stories/accusations if they are false.

Must be difficult at times not to get in an argument with someone on a social networking site. But that is all part of being a "public" figure. Disagreeing in the pub or in private is very different to arguing in a place where it is held for ever (internet). Something a lot of people need to grasp these days.


How many other prem league clubs have a director spouting off on twitter and football forum do you know of?


QPR (Fernandes did last season when they were in it)

Re: Steve borley, the public face of cardiff city.

Wed Jul 03, 2013 11:44 am

jama wrote:
glas wrote:
Gonzo wrote:If someone is who is in a position of influence is spreading misinformation then the club is correct in my opinion in commenting on said misinformation openly on the same public forum, be that a message board or social media.

This forum has thousands of members who like it or not could be influenced by the views and opinions of the people who run the board.

The club must respond to allegations that are made which are evidently false to ensure that the fans are not mislead



Nothing there that can be argued with. Fully agree, the club have to respond to stories/accusations if they are false.

Must be difficult at times not to get in an argument with someone on a social networking site. But that is all part of being a "public" figure. Disagreeing in the pub or in private is very different to arguing in a place where it is held for ever (internet). Something a lot of people need to grasp these days.


How many other prem league clubs have a director spouting off on twitter and football forum do you know of?



I don't follow other clubs, so I do not know. But if false accusations/stories are being made then the club/employees should provide a response.
But as I said they should be aware of the problems and long term repercussions of using the internet to do this.

Re: Steve borley, the public face of cardiff city.

Wed Jul 03, 2013 1:15 pm

jama wrote:
eddiep wrote:Love it or loathe it
Steve Borley is a breath of fresh air in the fact that he is real and a real fan.

Too often clubs disjoint themselves from fans and this does not bode well with many fans of many clubs.

Last nights spat has been blown dramatically in a way as it was open converstation and people with axes to grind on this and the other message board have lopped it up with relish.

Whether he's had it coming or not-

Carl got turned over on this matter, simple as. but I dont think it bigger than that and Steve Borley
didnt write anything inflamatory, just the opposite
(wind ur kneck in boy and PTB as you are totally wrong on this).

I understand agendas from fans, jack fans on here and fans with multiple accounts can be a pain in the arse.
with their intentional stirring.

But what a refreshing thing the Steve Borley takes time to communicate with fans on our level - we are the local lifeblood of the club. :ayatollah:


I don't find it " refreshing" when the director of Cardiff city football club calls fans, drunks, hooligans, trouble makers, the enemy of the club, radicals , etc. when most of them fans have spent a lot of time and money following the club home and away for many years.



The trouble is it can work both ways when fans slag off directors,owners etc who have also put money into the club it's easy to throw stones but no ones perfect on both sides

Re: Steve borley, the public face of cardiff city.

Wed Jul 03, 2013 1:26 pm

Then maybe updates like Carl's should stop then. If someone who says they know the going on at the club puts out false information which can be picked up on by the media anyway, then Borely is right to interfere. I do agree some of the stuff he said previously about BU was a tad out of line.

Re: Steve borley, the public face of cardiff city.

Wed Jul 03, 2013 1:35 pm

jama wrote:When will borley ever shut up? Spats with fans on twitter and football forums, steve we're premier league now, give it a rest.


I can understand borley sticking up for paul guy against carl curtis and him feeling curtis was over the top with his comments but couldnt borley have made a phone call or sent a pm and not contributed to washing the clubs business in public? I don't know cc or have i ever replied to his posts, but, to my knowledge carl curtis is not employed by the club, steve borleys is a director. Start acting like one.


Borleys in danger of turning into our answer to joe kinnear. Can you imagine daniel levy of spurs or an arsenal director having a set two about the club on a football forum? The mans been twittering nonsense to fans for the past year, its embarrassing.


Borley will soon be our representative in the boardrooms of spurs, man city and arsenal. God knows what the roman abravovich and such like will make of him. Borley will probably ask gwyn davis up to the old trafford boardroom to show bobby charlton a few judo moves.


Steve, you may have been in the right last night but for the sake of yourself and the club, close that stupid twitter account down and shut the f**k up.


Who told you to post this :lol: :lol:

Re: Steve borley, the public face of cardiff city.

Wed Jul 03, 2013 1:55 pm

Many football fans complain the gap between the club and the fans is widening, to have someone of Borley's ilk on the board whose been on the terraces during the dark days is fantastic. I want to see more of him engaging with the fans, some of you need to get your head out of Carls arse and appreciate someone who is doing a lot of GOOD for our club.

Thank you Borley for being honest and understanding over the past year of the fans position and worries.

Re: Steve borley, the public face of cardiff city.

Wed Jul 03, 2013 2:04 pm

CjBluebird17 wrote:Then maybe updates like Carl's should stop then. If someone who says they know the going on at the club puts out false information which can be picked up on by the media anyway, then Borely is right to interfere. I do agree some of the stuff he said previously about BU was a tad out of line.


Why should carl curtis stop them? If you want to read them read them, if not, dont. As long as they are not detrimental to the club (as last nights could be seem by some to be) what's the issue? I'm not trying to defend carl curtis and have not really taken much notice of his updates, but he is not employed by the club, steve borley is. In the premier league carl curtis will not be an issue.


Borleys in a far greater position of responsibility than carl curtis, curtis holds no position at the club, borley does, he's the clubs director. This coming season every controversial tweet by borley will be seized on by media outlets looking for stories,look at the recent joe kinnear situation at newcastle.


We're not in the lower leagues anymore, you cant go tweeting about supporters being drunkards and hooligans, the national press will rip us apart, we're entering the top division with prob the most divided set of fans the premier league has seen, we need to be more savvy and professinal and our director should be taking the leed.

Re: Steve borley, the public face of cardiff city.

Wed Jul 03, 2013 2:08 pm

jama wrote:Borleys in a far greater position of responsibility than carl curtis, curtis holds no position at the club, borley does, he's the clubs director.


Which is why Carl needs to stop spouting untrue bollocks.

Re: Steve borley, the public face of cardiff city.

Wed Jul 03, 2013 2:09 pm

jama wrote:
CjBluebird17 wrote:Then maybe updates like Carl's should stop then. If someone who says they know the going on at the club puts out false information which can be picked up on by the media anyway, then Borely is right to interfere. I do agree some of the stuff he said previously about BU was a tad out of line.


Why should carl curtis stop them? If you want to read them read them, if not, dont. As long as they are not detrimental to the club (as last nights could be seem by some to be) what's the issue? I'm not trying to defend carl curtis and have not really taken much notice of his updates, but he is not employed by the club, steve borley is. In the premier league carl curtis will not be an issue.


Borleys in a far greater position of responsibility than carl curtis, curtis holds no position at the club, borley does, he's the clubs director. This coming season every controversial tweet by borley will be seized on by media outlets looking for stories,look at the recent joe kinnear situation at newcastle.


We're not in the lower leagues anymore, you cant go tweeting about supporters being drunkards and hooligans, the national press will rip us apart, we're entering the top division with prob the most divided set of fans the premier league has seen, we need to be more savvy and professinal and our director should be taking the leed.


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: Steve borley, the public face of cardiff city.

Wed Jul 03, 2013 2:09 pm

jama wrote:
CjBluebird17 wrote:Then maybe updates like Carl's should stop then. If someone who says they know the going on at the club puts out false information which can be picked up on by the media anyway, then Borely is right to interfere. I do agree some of the stuff he said previously about BU was a tad out of line.


Why should carl curtis stop them? If you want to read them read them, if not, dont. As long as they are not detrimental to the club (as last nights could be seem by some to be) what's the issue? I'm not trying to defend carl curtis and have not really taken much notice of his updates, but he is not employed by the club, steve borley is. In the premier league carl curtis will not be an issue.


Borleys in a far greater position of responsibility than carl curtis, curtis holds no position at the club, borley does, he's the clubs director. This coming season every controversial tweet by borley will be seized on by media outlets looking for stories,look at the recent joe kinnear situation at newcastle.


We're not in the lower leagues anymore, you cant go tweeting about supporters being drunkards and hooligans, the national press will rip us apart, we're entering the top division with prob the most divided set of fans the premier league has seen, we need to be more savvy and professinal and our director should be taking the leed.


Because Carl is leaking private information about the club including finances and not just him. Therefore that can easily be picked up by the media just as much as Borely tweeting some random shit, I know which one is more worrying. So you can't have it both ways sorry.

Re: Steve borley, the public face of cardiff city.

Wed Jul 03, 2013 2:17 pm

CjBluebird17 wrote:
jama wrote:
CjBluebird17 wrote:Then maybe updates like Carl's should stop then. If someone who says they know the going on at the club puts out false information which can be picked up on by the media anyway, then Borely is right to interfere. I do agree some of the stuff he said previously about BU was a tad out of line.


Why should carl curtis stop them? If you want to read them read them, if not, dont. As long as they are not detrimental to the club (as last nights could be seem by some to be) what's the issue? I'm not trying to defend carl curtis and have not really taken much notice of his updates, but he is not employed by the club, steve borley is. In the premier league carl curtis will not be an issue.


Borleys in a far greater position of responsibility than carl curtis, curtis holds no position at the club, borley does, he's the clubs director. This coming season every controversial tweet by borley will be seized on by media outlets looking for stories,look at the recent joe kinnear situation at newcastle.


We're not in the lower leagues anymore, you cant go tweeting about supporters being drunkards and hooligans, the national press will rip us apart, we're entering the top division with prob the most divided set of fans the premier league has seen, we need to be more savvy and professinal and our director should be taking the leed.


Because Carl is leaking private information about the club including finances and not just him. Therefore that can easily be picked up by the media just as much as Borely tweeting some random shit, I know which one is more worrying. So you can't have it both ways sorry.


I'm not having it both ways , i wish they'd both deal with it in private. They must have each others numbers. Better for the club if they both took time out and shut up.

Re: Steve borley, the public face of cardiff city.

Wed Jul 03, 2013 2:19 pm

Bluebird since 1948 wrote:Many football fans complain the gap between the club and the fans is widening, to have someone of Borley's ilk on the board whose been on the terraces during the dark days is fantastic. I want to see more of him engaging with the fans, some of you need to get your head out of Carls arse and appreciate someone who is doing a lot of GOOD for our club.

Thank you Borley for being honest and understanding over the past year of the fans position and worries.


Spot on :malky:

Re: Steve borley, the public face of cardiff city.

Wed Jul 03, 2013 2:19 pm

jama wrote:
CjBluebird17 wrote:
jama wrote:
CjBluebird17 wrote:Then maybe updates like Carl's should stop then. If someone who says they know the going on at the club puts out false information which can be picked up on by the media anyway, then Borely is right to interfere. I do agree some of the stuff he said previously about BU was a tad out of line.


Why should carl curtis stop them? If you want to read them read them, if not, dont. As long as they are not detrimental to the club (as last nights could be seem by some to be) what's the issue? I'm not trying to defend carl curtis and have not really taken much notice of his updates, but he is not employed by the club, steve borley is. In the premier league carl curtis will not be an issue.


Borleys in a far greater position of responsibility than carl curtis, curtis holds no position at the club, borley does, he's the clubs director. This coming season every controversial tweet by borley will be seized on by media outlets looking for stories,look at the recent joe kinnear situation at newcastle.


We're not in the lower leagues anymore, you cant go tweeting about supporters being drunkards and hooligans, the national press will rip us apart, we're entering the top division with prob the most divided set of fans the premier league has seen, we need to be more savvy and professinal and our director should be taking the leed.


Because Carl is leaking private information about the club including finances and not just him. Therefore that can easily be picked up by the media just as much as Borely tweeting some random shit, I know which one is more worrying. So you can't have it both ways sorry.


I'm not having it both ways , i wish they'd both deal with it in private. They must have each others numbers. Better for the club if they both took time out and shut up.


Yes you are your saying its fine for Carl and others to leak information about the club but dont want a director having public convosations just in case the media pick up on it. :lol:

Re: Steve borley, the public face of cardiff city.

Wed Jul 03, 2013 2:31 pm

In all seriousness, how can Borley win?

If fans continue to chat negative shit and misinformation, that is unrelated to transfers, about the club then you cant blame Steve for setting the record straight.

If fans just didn't talk about these issues and stopped spreading misinformation then Steve would have no reason to step in and set the record straight. I dont see Steve on here looking for arguments, just correcting things and putting people straight when they're so obviously wrong.

I think Carl needs to stop pretending to be a fans leader, accept the club has moved on and is more close knit and just do his job properly and accept hes just a normal fan now and nothing special. None of us are, we're all equal. He can still write about the club in the paper and do his bits and enjoy discussion but this platform he has ain't doing him any favours with these 'updates' and so on.

Pass on information you know by all means, it may happen, it may not. Anyone with a brain would realise that. Im fortunate enough to know someone at the club but that information passed on to me doesn't mean its 100% happening as football is football, things chance, boardroom decisions change in moments as the game/business evolves. I've done it but I dont clam to be a leader. I dont deserve anything for passing on information from someone who works there.

If he continues down this path sooner rather than later he'll end up being banned and WalesOnline will be banned from attending press conferences and so on. Just you wait and see and watch it happen. You think Steve is going to continue letting people spread misinformation and take the piss out of him and a business he has ploughed money into? If that happens he'd only have himself to blame.

Re: Steve borley, the public face of cardiff city.

Wed Jul 03, 2013 2:33 pm

"We are all equal"

Says the arm chair fan who doesnt attend the games :lol:

Re: Steve borley, the public face of cardiff city.

Wed Jul 03, 2013 2:34 pm

Mario Polotelli wrote:"We are all equal"

Says the arm chair fan who doesnt attend the games :lol:


Okay Polo. Already looking for bites. I go to games no problem. Some tickets I pay for, others I get free from the club.

Re: Steve borley, the public face of cardiff city.

Wed Jul 03, 2013 2:35 pm

Malky Is My God wrote:
Mario Polotelli wrote:"We are all equal"

Says the arm chair fan who doesnt attend the games :lol:


Okay Polo. Already looking for bites. I go to games no problem. Some tickets I pay for, others I get free from the club.



free tickets as a reward for being a super fan is it? :lol:

Re: Steve borley, the public face of cardiff city.

Wed Jul 03, 2013 2:37 pm

paulh_85 wrote:
free tickets as a reward for being a super fan is it? :lol:


Did I say it was a reward? No, i just know someone who works at the club. Sometimes I get the tickets, other times other friends get the tickets. Not hard.

Re: Steve borley, the public face of cardiff city.

Wed Jul 03, 2013 2:38 pm

CjBluebird17 wrote:
jama wrote:
CjBluebird17 wrote:
jama wrote:
CjBluebird17 wrote:Then maybe updates like Carl's should stop then. If someone who says they know the going on at the club puts out false information which can be picked up on by the media anyway, then Borely is right to interfere. I do agree some of the stuff he said previously about BU was a tad out of line.


Why should carl curtis stop them? If you want to read them read them, if not, dont. As long as they are not detrimental to the club (as last nights could be seem by some to be) what's the issue? I'm not trying to defend carl curtis and have not really taken much notice of his updates, but he is not employed by the club, steve borley is. In the premier league carl curtis will not be an issue.


Borleys in a far greater position of responsibility than carl curtis, curtis holds no position at the club, borley does, he's the clubs director. This coming season every controversial tweet by borley will be seized on by media outlets looking for stories,look at the recent joe kinnear situation at newcastle.


We're not in the lower leagues anymore, you cant go tweeting about supporters being drunkards and hooligans, the national press will rip us apart, we're entering the top division with prob the most divided set of fans the premier league has seen, we need to be more savvy and professinal and our director should be taking the leed.


Because Carl is leaking private information about the club including finances and not just him. Therefore that can easily be picked up by the media just as much as Borely tweeting some random shit, I know which one is more worrying. So you can't have it both ways sorry.


I'm not having it both ways , i wish they'd both deal with it in private. They must have each others numbers. Better for the club if they both took time out and shut up.


Yes you are your saying its fine for Carl and others to leak information about the club but dont want a director having public convosations just in case the media pick up on it. :lol:


I don't see how you can say borley calling fans drunkards, terrorists, hooligans and radicals on twitter for holding a meeting in a pub is " having constructive " conversations"

Re: Steve borley, the public face of cardiff city.

Wed Jul 03, 2013 2:41 pm

jama wrote:
CjBluebird17 wrote:
jama wrote:
CjBluebird17 wrote:
jama wrote:
CjBluebird17 wrote:Then maybe updates like Carl's should stop then. If someone who says they know the going on at the club puts out false information which can be picked up on by the media anyway, then Borely is right to interfere. I do agree some of the stuff he said previously about BU was a tad out of line.


Why should carl curtis stop them? If you want to read them read them, if not, dont. As long as they are not detrimental to the club (as last nights could be seem by some to be) what's the issue? I'm not trying to defend carl curtis and have not really taken much notice of his updates, but he is not employed by the club, steve borley is. In the premier league carl curtis will not be an issue.


Borleys in a far greater position of responsibility than carl curtis, curtis holds no position at the club, borley does, he's the clubs director. This coming season every controversial tweet by borley will be seized on by media outlets looking for stories,look at the recent joe kinnear situation at newcastle.


We're not in the lower leagues anymore, you cant go tweeting about supporters being drunkards and hooligans, the national press will rip us apart, we're entering the top division with prob the most divided set of fans the premier league has seen, we need to be more savvy and professinal and our director should be taking the leed.


Because Carl is leaking private information about the club including finances and not just him. Therefore that can easily be picked up by the media just as much as Borely tweeting some random shit, I know which one is more worrying. So you can't have it both ways sorry.


I'm not having it both ways , i wish they'd both deal with it in private. They must have each others numbers. Better for the club if they both took time out and shut up.


Yes you are your saying its fine for Carl and others to leak information about the club but dont want a director having public convosations just in case the media pick up on it. :lol:


I don't see how you can say borley calling fans drunkards, terrorists, hooligans and radicals on twitter for holding a meeting in a pub is " having constructive " conversations"


Where have I said constructive conversations? :? I already said I disagreed with what Borely said about that but as I said you criticise Borely for speaking publicaly but dont seem to care about others leaking information about the club false or otherwise.

Re: Steve borley, the public face of cardiff city.

Wed Jul 03, 2013 2:43 pm

Malky Is My God wrote:
paulh_85 wrote:
free tickets as a reward for being a super fan is it? :lol:


Did I say it was a reward? No, i just know someone who works at the club. Sometimes I get the tickets, other times other friends get the tickets. Not hard.


So we are not equals then.

I pay for a season ticket, you go to very few games, and thats only if you manage to get a comp.

Not looking for bites, just saying your "All equals" comment is a load of crap.

You are probably further down the chain than a fair weather fan.
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Re: Steve borley, the public face of cardiff city.

Wed Jul 03, 2013 2:44 pm

Malky Is My God wrote:
paulh_85 wrote:
free tickets as a reward for being a super fan is it? :lol:


Did I say it was a reward? No, i just know someone who works at the club. Sometimes I get the tickets, other times other friends get the tickets. Not hard.


Yur lying, you don't have any friends Uncle Bulgaria.

Re: Steve borley, the public face of cardiff city.

Wed Jul 03, 2013 2:48 pm

Bluebird since 1948 wrote:Many football fans complain the gap between the club and the fans is widening, to have someone of Borley's ilk on the board whose been on the terraces during the dark days is fantastic. I want to see more of him engaging with the fans, some of you need to get your head out of Carls arse and appreciate someone who is doing a lot of GOOD for our club.

Thank you Borley for being honest and understanding over the past year of the fans position and worries.


f*cking stroll on. You forgot to put ' and we all lived happily ever after" at the end of your little fairy tale.

Re: Steve borley, the public face of cardiff city.

Wed Jul 03, 2013 2:49 pm

Mario Polotelli wrote:
Malky Is My God wrote:
paulh_85 wrote:
free tickets as a reward for being a super fan is it? :lol:


Did I say it was a reward? No, i just know someone who works at the club. Sometimes I get the tickets, other times other friends get the tickets. Not hard.


So we are not equals then.

I pay for a season ticket, you got to very few games, and thats only if you manage to get a comp.

Not looking for bites, just saying your "All equals" comment is a load of crap.


I understand where you are coming from and yes, fair enough, you have also supported the club longer. We're still all fans though, that was my point. We should just get on with things and enjoy the footy. Theres no reason to have a fans leader. I dont go to very few games, before university I had season tickets. Since being in uni around 10-15 games per year including 1 or 2 cup games i.e. Palace away. I also buy merchandise and stuff from the club shop. I dont know if you do, none of my business.

Re: Steve borley, the public face of cardiff city.

Wed Jul 03, 2013 2:50 pm

Bluebird since 1948 wrote:
Malky Is My God wrote:
paulh_85 wrote:
free tickets as a reward for being a super fan is it? :lol:


Did I say it was a reward? No, i just know someone who works at the club. Sometimes I get the tickets, other times other friends get the tickets. Not hard.


Yur lying, you don't have any friends Uncle Bulgaria.


Says the guy who pretends to be old on the internet. Your penis has been dryer than the Sahara Desert since birth.

Re: Steve borley, the public face of cardiff city.

Wed Jul 03, 2013 2:56 pm

Malky Is My God wrote:
Bluebird since 1948 wrote:
Malky Is My God wrote:
paulh_85 wrote:
free tickets as a reward for being a super fan is it? :lol:


Did I say it was a reward? No, i just know someone who works at the club. Sometimes I get the tickets, other times other friends get the tickets. Not hard.


Yur lying, you don't have any friends Uncle Bulgaria.


Says the guy who pretends to be old on the internet. Your penis has been dryer than the Sahara Desert since birth.


Iv'e probably shagged your mother Uncle Bulgaria, she had a massive head n all.

Re: Steve borley, the public face of cardiff city.

Wed Jul 03, 2013 2:59 pm

Malky Is My God wrote:
Mario Polotelli wrote:
Malky Is My God wrote:
paulh_85 wrote:
free tickets as a reward for being a super fan is it? :lol:


Did I say it was a reward? No, i just know someone who works at the club. Sometimes I get the tickets, other times other friends get the tickets. Not hard.


So we are not equals then.

I pay for a season ticket, you got to very few games, and thats only if you manage to get a comp.

Not looking for bites, just saying your "All equals" comment is a load of crap.


I understand where you are coming from and yes, fair enough, you have also supported the club longer. We're still all fans though, that was my point. We should just get on with things and enjoy the footy. Theres no reason to have a fans leader. I dont go to very few games, before university I had season tickets. Since being in uni around 10-15 games per year including 1 or 2 cup games i.e. Palace away. I also buy merchandise and stuff from the club shop. I dont know if you do, none of my business.


I am a casual we dont do club merchandise 8-)

If anyone did really think of Carl as the "Fans leader" then more fool them. It was a "tag" given to him by the Eggo I dont think Carl thinks of himself as THE fans leader. Ive seen Annis and Carl play on it but in a tongue in cheek way and in response to the haters from the other forum.