The EDL and the Met

The EDL weren't arrested for being provocative or inciting racial tensions. They were arrested for obstructing a police officer, which resulted from them trying to go somewhere they were told not to.

If police asked these muslims on Westminster grass to get off it and they didn't then I would expect them to be arrested for the exact same thing.

Can you answer me this?
Why did the EDL have to walk past that particular mosque in that specific place? I can't think of any other reason other than to cause a scene of some sort.

Of course it was a deliberate act. but the facts are they were stopped. the muslims sticking two fingers up to Britain and democracy are not stopped. you dont see it do you. you are quick to jump on the knobheads of the EDL but are like everyone else and prefer to pretend the Muslims are not worse when they clearly are.

Why are you making all these weird assumptions about what I believe.
I didn't see the praying at Westminster story, if I did I would have said they should have been told to get off the grass.

I dont know how many times I can actually say this but I will, once more as you seem to find it hard to fathom.

EVERYBODY SHOULD BE TREATED EXACTLY THE SAME REGARDLESS OF RACE/RELIGION/SEX etc etc

But you only feel the need to comment on the EDL's misgivings. your a muslim apologist

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbct8TAl9Vs

disgusting. if you done the opposite outside a mosque the police would throw away the key

interesting do you find this equally as disgusting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tfvg3WPpkM0

Sorry? are you using church bells in a Christian Country to make some kind of point here? I would not find a big mosque and a wailing call to prayer disgusting in Pakistan either. So i assume them doing the call to prayer right outside Westminster Abbey wasnt a deliberate provocative act then?

yes we ive in a multi-cultural society people have the right to practice their religion wherever they damn well please

are you offended by the christian call to prayer as shown in the video as well?

as a Catholic am I allowed to be offended by the church bells of westminster abbey?

The EDL weren't arrested for being provocative or inciting racial tensions. They were arrested for obstructing a police officer, which resulted from them trying to go somewhere they were told not to.

If police asked these muslims on Westminster grass to get off it and they didn't then I would expect them to be arrested for the exact same thing.

Can you answer me this?
Why did the EDL have to walk past that particular mosque in that specific place? I can't think of any other reason other than to cause a scene of some sort.

Of course it was a deliberate act. but the facts are they were stopped. the muslims sticking two fingers up to Britain and democracy are not stopped. you dont see it do you. you are quick to jump on the knobheads of the EDL but are like everyone else and prefer to pretend the Muslims are not worse when they clearly are.

Why are you making all these weird assumptions about what I believe.
I didn't see the praying at Westminster story, if I did I would have said they should have been told to get off the grass.

I dont know how many times I can actually say this but I will, once more as you seem to find it hard to fathom.

EVERYBODY SHOULD BE TREATED EXACTLY THE SAME REGARDLESS OF RACE/RELIGION/SEX etc etc

But you only feel the need to comment on the EDL's misgivings. your a muslim apologist

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbct8TAl9Vs

disgusting. if you done the opposite outside a mosque the police would throw away the key

There havent been any other things to comment on. As i said above, if i had seen the westminster prayer thread I would have commented on it. However, I did not see it as i was probably at work

Do you only read what suits your agenda. Ive stated it clearly on several occasions yet you ignore it.

The EDL weren't arrested for being provocative or inciting racial tensions. They were arrested for obstructing a police officer, which resulted from them trying to go somewhere they were told not to.

If police asked these muslims on Westminster grass to get off it and they didn't then I would expect them to be arrested for the exact same thing.

Can you answer me this?
Why did the EDL have to walk past that particular mosque in that specific place? I can't think of any other reason other than to cause a scene of some sort.

Of course it was a deliberate act. but the facts are they were stopped. the muslims sticking two fingers up to Britain and democracy are not stopped. you dont see it do you. you are quick to jump on the knobheads of the EDL but are like everyone else and prefer to pretend the Muslims are not worse when they clearly are.

Why are you making all these weird assumptions about what I believe.
I didn't see the praying at Westminster story, if I did I would have said they should have been told to get off the grass.

I dont know how many times I can actually say this but I will, once more as you seem to find it hard to fathom.

EVERYBODY SHOULD BE TREATED EXACTLY THE SAME REGARDLESS OF RACE/RELIGION/SEX etc etc

But you only feel the need to comment on the EDL's misgivings. your a muslim apologist

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbct8TAl9Vs

disgusting. if you done the opposite outside a mosque the police would throw away the key

Are you stupid or ignorant or just both?

Craig said "every religion/race should be treated the same by the police".

How the f**k is that being a Muslim apologist? And by the way I think you mean Muslim sympathiser.

The EDL weren't arrested for being provocative or inciting racial tensions. They were arrested for obstructing a police officer, which resulted from them trying to go somewhere they were told not to.

If police asked these muslims on Westminster grass to get off it and they didn't then I would expect them to be arrested for the exact same thing.

Can you answer me this?
Why did the EDL have to walk past that particular mosque in that specific place? I can't think of any other reason other than to cause a scene of some sort.

Of course it was a deliberate act. but the facts are they were stopped. the muslims sticking two fingers up to Britain and democracy are not stopped. you dont see it do you. you are quick to jump on the knobheads of the EDL but are like everyone else and prefer to pretend the Muslims are not worse when they clearly are.

Why are you making all these weird assumptions about what I believe.
I didn't see the praying at Westminster story, if I did I would have said they should have been told to get off the grass.

I dont know how many times I can actually say this but I will, once more as you seem to find it hard to fathom.

EVERYBODY SHOULD BE TREATED EXACTLY THE SAME REGARDLESS OF RACE/RELIGION/SEX etc etc

But you only feel the need to comment on the EDL's misgivings. your a muslim apologist

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbct8TAl9Vs

disgusting. if you done the opposite outside a mosque the police would throw away the key

Are you stupid or ignorant or just both?

Craig said "every religion/race should be treated the same by the police".

How the f**k is that being a Muslim apologist? And by the way I think you mean Muslim sympathiser.

No. the word is 'apologist' it means you find some way to ignore or justify actions by them. For instance, the original thread about that shit-stirring call to prayer at Westminster Abbey was ignored. Not just by posters on here but by the press and the Media. Why? because reading between the lines it could be seen as 'negative' behaviour by the Muslims. So you pretend it never happened. But the very second the EDL is mentioned, you Craig and the lefties, conditioned by the Establishment can jump all over them. Answer this: is walking past a mosque MORE or less provocative than holding a Call to Prayer outside Christianitys main church in Britain.

Sickening using a sick girl as an excuse to walk through an area they have been asked not to by the police and also they were asked not to for several weeks.

Whats also wrong is the fact the person who assaulted them was not arrested on the spot.

I would also expect the same treatment of any race/religion that didn't adhere to police instruction.

Thats the point though, there is no same treatment. They went on a charity walk and had the route planned and the police could have taken them through the route easily enough but were just being typical political have to go by the list of rules idiots. Sad that common sense has been replaced in the world by robots who need a list of code to function.

The police had told them several weeks ago they couldnt go down that particular route. They were playing to the cameras. The fact they were using a sick little girl as an excuse was disgusting.

Who are the police to infringe on their human rights of freedom? They should be able to walk where they damn well like. Police far too interested in trying to prove a point and be clever than arresting real criminals, like the person who assaulted one of them. Shocking. Against Modern Britain.

No the EDL are well known for being volatile and violent on their marches as well as being known for inciting trouble. The police told them not to march down a particular route to avoid any more confrontation or trouble.

The EDL weren't arrested for being provocative or inciting racial tensions. They were arrested for obstructing a police officer, which resulted from them trying to go somewhere they were told not to.

If police asked these muslims on Westminster grass to get off it and they didn't then I would expect them to be arrested for the exact same thing.

Can you answer me this?
Why did the EDL have to walk past that particular mosque in that specific place? I can't think of any other reason other than to cause a scene of some sort.

Of course it was a deliberate act. but the facts are they were stopped. the muslims sticking two fingers up to Britain and democracy are not stopped. you dont see it do you. you are quick to jump on the knobheads of the EDL but are like everyone else and prefer to pretend the Muslims are not worse when they clearly are.

Why are you making all these weird assumptions about what I believe.
I didn't see the praying at Westminster story, if I did I would have said they should have been told to get off the grass.

I dont know how many times I can actually say this but I will, once more as you seem to find it hard to fathom.

EVERYBODY SHOULD BE TREATED EXACTLY THE SAME REGARDLESS OF RACE/RELIGION/SEX etc etc

But you only feel the need to comment on the EDL's misgivings. your a muslim apologist

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbct8TAl9Vs

disgusting. if you done the opposite outside a mosque the police would throw away the key

Are you stupid or ignorant or just both?

Craig said "every religion/race should be treated the same by the police".

How the f**k is that being a Muslim apologist? And by the way I think you mean Muslim sympathiser.

No. the word is 'apologist' it means you find some way to ignore or justify actions by them. For instance, the original thread about that shit-stirring call to prayer at Westminster Abbey was ignored. Not just by posters on here but by the press and the Media. Why? because reading between the lines it could be seen as 'negative' behaviour by the Muslims. So you pretend it never happened. But the very second the EDL is mentioned, you Craig and the lefties, conditioned by the Establishment can jump all over them. Answer this: is walking past a mosque MORE or less provocative than holding a Call to Prayer outside Christianitys main church in Britain.

I think you will find a lot of mainstream media are very critical of Muslims/Islam and that there is a lot of institutionalised racism within the media.

Sickening using a sick girl as an excuse to walk through an area they have been asked not to by the police and also they were asked not to for several weeks.

Whats also wrong is the fact the person who assaulted them was not arrested on the spot.

I would also expect the same treatment of any race/religion that didn't adhere to police instruction.

Thats the point though, there is no same treatment. They went on a charity walk and had the route planned and the police could have taken them through the route easily enough but were just being typical political have to go by the list of rules idiots. Sad that common sense has been replaced in the world by robots who need a list of code to function.

The police had told them several weeks ago they couldnt go down that particular route. They were playing to the cameras. The fact they were using a sick little girl as an excuse was disgusting.

Who are the police to infringe on their human rights of freedom? They should be able to walk where they damn well like. Police far too interested in trying to prove a point and be clever than arresting real criminals, like the person who assaulted one of them. Shocking. Against Modern Britain.

No the EDL are well known for being volatile and violent on their marches as well as being known for inciting trouble. The police told them not to march down a particular route to avoid any more confrontation or trouble.

yet Muslim protesters are never stopped from marching or meetings with their ''death to british soldiers'' ''death to democracy'' banners. fair or not fair?

The EDL weren't arrested for being provocative or inciting racial tensions. They were arrested for obstructing a police officer, which resulted from them trying to go somewhere they were told not to.

If police asked these muslims on Westminster grass to get off it and they didn't then I would expect them to be arrested for the exact same thing.

Can you answer me this?
Why did the EDL have to walk past that particular mosque in that specific place? I can't think of any other reason other than to cause a scene of some sort.

Of course it was a deliberate act. but the facts are they were stopped. the muslims sticking two fingers up to Britain and democracy are not stopped. you dont see it do you. you are quick to jump on the knobheads of the EDL but are like everyone else and prefer to pretend the Muslims are not worse when they clearly are.

Why are you making all these weird assumptions about what I believe.
I didn't see the praying at Westminster story, if I did I would have said they should have been told to get off the grass.

I dont know how many times I can actually say this but I will, once more as you seem to find it hard to fathom.

EVERYBODY SHOULD BE TREATED EXACTLY THE SAME REGARDLESS OF RACE/RELIGION/SEX etc etc

But you only feel the need to comment on the EDL's misgivings. your a muslim apologist

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbct8TAl9Vs

disgusting. if you done the opposite outside a mosque the police would throw away the key

Are you stupid or ignorant or just both?

Craig said "every religion/race should be treated the same by the police".

How the f**k is that being a Muslim apologist? And by the way I think you mean Muslim sympathiser.

No. the word is 'apologist' it means you find some way to ignore or justify actions by them. For instance, the original thread about that shit-stirring call to prayer at Westminster Abbey was ignored. Not just by posters on here but by the press and the Media. Why? because reading between the lines it could be seen as 'negative' behaviour by the Muslims. So you pretend it never happened. But the very second the EDL is mentioned, you Craig and the lefties, conditioned by the Establishment can jump all over them. Answer this: is walking past a mosque MORE or less provocative than holding a Call to Prayer outside Christianitys main church in Britain.

I honestly never heard of that incident. So because I'm against the EDL does that make me an Muslim apologist too?

Sickening using a sick girl as an excuse to walk through an area they have been asked not to by the police and also they were asked not to for several weeks.

Whats also wrong is the fact the person who assaulted them was not arrested on the spot.

I would also expect the same treatment of any race/religion that didn't adhere to police instruction.

Thats the point though, there is no same treatment. They went on a charity walk and had the route planned and the police could have taken them through the route easily enough but were just being typical political have to go by the list of rules idiots. Sad that common sense has been replaced in the world by robots who need a list of code to function.

The police had told them several weeks ago they couldnt go down that particular route. They were playing to the cameras. The fact they were using a sick little girl as an excuse was disgusting.

Who are the police to infringe on their human rights of freedom? They should be able to walk where they damn well like. Police far too interested in trying to prove a point and be clever than arresting real criminals, like the person who assaulted one of them. Shocking. Against Modern Britain.

No the EDL are well known for being volatile and violent on their marches as well as being known for inciting trouble. The police told them not to march down a particular route to avoid any more confrontation or trouble.

yet Muslim protesters are never stopped from marching or meetings with their ''death to british soldiers'' ''death to democracy'' banners. fair or not fair?

Well according to law it's fair, despite how disgusting and provocative the protest is. As previous posters mentioned, it's the police's job to maintain safety and keep the peace in the UK and gave the EDL a particular route so they wouldn't cause problems, but the EDL being the EDL wanted to make a big fuss and get on tv.

The EDL weren't arrested for being provocative or inciting racial tensions. They were arrested for obstructing a police officer, which resulted from them trying to go somewhere they were told not to.

If police asked these muslims on Westminster grass to get off it and they didn't then I would expect them to be arrested for the exact same thing.

Can you answer me this?
Why did the EDL have to walk past that particular mosque in that specific place? I can't think of any other reason other than to cause a scene of some sort.

Of course it was a deliberate act. but the facts are they were stopped. the muslims sticking two fingers up to Britain and democracy are not stopped. you dont see it do you. you are quick to jump on the knobheads of the EDL but are like everyone else and prefer to pretend the Muslims are not worse when they clearly are.

Why are you making all these weird assumptions about what I believe.
I didn't see the praying at Westminster story, if I did I would have said they should have been told to get off the grass.

I dont know how many times I can actually say this but I will, once more as you seem to find it hard to fathom.

EVERYBODY SHOULD BE TREATED EXACTLY THE SAME REGARDLESS OF RACE/RELIGION/SEX etc etc

But you only feel the need to comment on the EDL's misgivings. your a muslim apologist

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbct8TAl9Vs

disgusting. if you done the opposite outside a mosque the police would throw away the key

Are you stupid or ignorant or just both?

Craig said "every religion/race should be treated the same by the police".

How the f**k is that being a Muslim apologist? And by the way I think you mean Muslim sympathiser.

No. the word is 'apologist' it means you find some way to ignore or justify actions by them. For instance, the original thread about that shit-stirring call to prayer at Westminster Abbey was ignored. Not just by posters on here but by the press and the Media. Why? because reading between the lines it could be seen as 'negative' behaviour by the Muslims. So you pretend it never happened. But the very second the EDL is mentioned, you Craig and the lefties, conditioned by the Establishment can jump all over them. Answer this: is walking past a mosque MORE or less provocative than holding a Call to Prayer outside Christianitys main church in Britain.

christianity's main church really you want to clarify that I certainly dont recognise it as such.

do you find the idea of a catholic cathedral down the road from westminster abbey an affront to your beliefs do you consider that to be provocative?

fact is its a religious ceremony the call to prayer and is in no way a protest for extremism or a way of showing their support for extremism its something they do every day. If you want to look at it further you roll the dice.

however the way you talk I very much doubt your a regular church goer whatever your supposed denomination so what gives you the right to be offended on behalf of the congregation of the church of england?

Religion, causing problems since the day it was invented.

The EDL weren't arrested for being provocative or inciting racial tensions. They were arrested for obstructing a police officer, which resulted from them trying to go somewhere they were told not to.

If police asked these muslims on Westminster grass to get off it and they didn't then I would expect them to be arrested for the exact same thing.

Can you answer me this?
Why did the EDL have to walk past that particular mosque in that specific place? I can't think of any other reason other than to cause a scene of some sort.

Of course it was a deliberate act. but the facts are they were stopped. the muslims sticking two fingers up to Britain and democracy are not stopped. you dont see it do you. you are quick to jump on the knobheads of the EDL but are like everyone else and prefer to pretend the Muslims are not worse when they clearly are.

Why are you making all these weird assumptions about what I believe.
I didn't see the praying at Westminster story, if I did I would have said they should have been told to get off the grass.

I dont know how many times I can actually say this but I will, once more as you seem to find it hard to fathom.

EVERYBODY SHOULD BE TREATED EXACTLY THE SAME REGARDLESS OF RACE/RELIGION/SEX etc etc

But you only feel the need to comment on the EDL's misgivings. your a muslim apologist

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbct8TAl9Vs

disgusting. if you done the opposite outside a mosque the police would throw away the key

Are you stupid or ignorant or just both?

Craig said "every religion/race should be treated the same by the police".

How the f**k is that being a Muslim apologist? And by the way I think you mean Muslim sympathiser.

No. the word is 'apologist' it means you find some way to ignore or justify actions by them. For instance, the original thread about that shit-stirring call to prayer at Westminster Abbey was ignored. Not just by posters on here but by the press and the Media. Why? because reading between the lines it could be seen as 'negative' behaviour by the Muslims. So you pretend it never happened. But the very second the EDL is mentioned, you Craig and the lefties, conditioned by the Establishment can jump all over them. Answer this: is walking past a mosque MORE or less provocative than holding a Call to Prayer outside Christianitys main church in Britain.

So because I didn't comment on a thread made on here, I am a muslim "apologist"
So if I had commented on it, you would deem me ok?

Surely the fact I told you what I would have said is enough....or does this board now decide where on the political spectrum I lay?

I will say, one last time and this is me finished as you clearly have an agenda of some sort as you keep ignoring what has been said:

EVERYBODY IS EQUAL REGARDLESS OF COLOUR/RELIGION/SEX etc AND THEY SHOULD BE TREATED AS SUCH.

Religion, causing problems since the day it was invented.

its got nothing to do with religion this is a bloke who probably isnt religious in anyway feeling he has the right to take offence of one religious act in front of a different religious building, I didnt see the Dean of Westminster Abbey protesting against it why is this guy so offended by it?

as far as I can see its two religions happy to work together and some idiots trying to make something out of nothing

Religion, causing problems since the day it was invented.

its got nothing to do with religion this is a bloke who probably isnt religious in anyway feeling he has the right to take offence of one religious act in front of a different religious building, I didnt see the Dean of Westminster Abbey protesting against it why is this guy so offended by it?

as far as I can see its two religions happy to work together and some idiots trying to make something out of nothing

Perhaps it's because he hates all Muslims and is merely clutching at straws?

Religion, causing problems since the day it was invented.

its got nothing to do with religion this is a bloke who probably isnt religious in anyway feeling he has the right to take offence of one religious act in front of a different religious building, I didnt see the Dean of Westminster Abbey protesting against it why is this guy so offended by it?

as far as I can see its two religions happy to work together and some idiots trying to make something out of nothing

Perhaps it's because he hates all Muslims and is merely clutching at straws?

very possible however it does diminish your idea that its religion causing problems

Religion, causing problems since the day it was invented.

its got nothing to do with religion this is a bloke who probably isnt religious in anyway feeling he has the right to take offence of one religious act in front of a different religious building, I didnt see the Dean of Westminster Abbey protesting against it why is this guy so offended by it?

as far as I can see its two religions happy to work together and some idiots trying to make something out of nothing

Perhaps it's because he hates all Muslims and is merely clutching at straws?

very possible however it does diminish your idea that its religion causing problems

Not really, religion has caused problems in the past and still in the present and always will.

Bare in mind I'm a staunch atheist and I'm rather close minded on a religious topic.

Religion, causing problems since the day it was invented.

its got nothing to do with religion this is a bloke who probably isnt religious in anyway feeling he has the right to take offence of one religious act in front of a different religious building, I didnt see the Dean of Westminster Abbey protesting against it why is this guy so offended by it?

as far as I can see its two religions happy to work together and some idiots trying to make something out of nothing

Perhaps it's because he hates all Muslims and is merely clutching at straws?

very possible however it does diminish your idea that its religion causing problems

Not really, religion has caused problems in the past and still in the present and always will.

Bare in mind I'm a staunch atheist and I'm rather close minded on a religious topic.

well if your going to be closed minded I would say stop getting involved in discussions where religion is involved

if your an athiest thats fine as is your choice but then stop presuming what is right and wrong for religions otherwise you aint much different from the poster here claiming to be offended on behalf of the church of england. As muslims werent standing toe to toe against the church of england, as far as I know it was very peaceful, I fail to see how religions can be blamed for Tommy Robinson getting arrested or whether people should be offended by muslims praying in westminster.

Religion, causing problems since the day it was invented.

its got nothing to do with religion this is a bloke who probably isnt religious in anyway feeling he has the right to take offence of one religious act in front of a different religious building, I didnt see the Dean of Westminster Abbey protesting against it why is this guy so offended by it?

as far as I can see its two religions happy to work together and some idiots trying to make something out of nothing

Perhaps it's because he hates all Muslims and is merely clutching at straws?

very possible however it does diminish your idea that its religion causing problems

Not really, religion has caused problems in the past and still in the present and always will.

Bare in mind I'm a staunch atheist and I'm rather close minded on a religious topic.

well if your going to be closed minded I would say stop getting involved in discussions where religion is involved

if your an athiest thats fine as is your choice but then stop presuming what is right and wrong for religions otherwise you aint much different from the poster here claiming to be offended on behalf of the church of england. As muslims werent standing toe to toe against the church of england, as far as I know it was very peaceful, I fail to see how religions can be blamed for Tommy Robinson getting arrested or whether people should be offended by muslims praying in westminster.

I'm merely having my say, what's wrong with that? With out trying to sound nit picky do you only have to be religious to get involved in a religious debate?

Religion, causing problems since the day it was invented.

its got nothing to do with religion this is a bloke who probably isnt religious in anyway feeling he has the right to take offence of one religious act in front of a different religious building, I didnt see the Dean of Westminster Abbey protesting against it why is this guy so offended by it?

as far as I can see its two religions happy to work together and some idiots trying to make something out of nothing

Perhaps it's because he hates all Muslims and is merely clutching at straws?

very possible however it does diminish your idea that its religion causing problems

Not really, religion has caused problems in the past and still in the present and always will.

Bare in mind I'm a staunch atheist and I'm rather close minded on a religious topic.

well if your going to be closed minded I would say stop getting involved in discussions where religion is involved

if your an athiest thats fine as is your choice but then stop presuming what is right and wrong for religions otherwise you aint much different from the poster here claiming to be offended on behalf of the church of england. As muslims werent standing toe to toe against the church of england, as far as I know it was very peaceful, I fail to see how religions can be blamed for Tommy Robinson getting arrested or whether people should be offended by muslims praying in westminster.

So you dont see how a load of Muslims setting up their loudspeakers at Westminster Abbey and having prayer meetings could be construed as offensive. Can you think of ONE innocent reason why they would go to all the trouble of setting that up. Because im pretty damned sure if you heard there was a group of white males planning to sing psalms outside a mosque the very first thing that would go through your head would be "troublemakers''

In a nutshell - Tommy Robinson walking past a mosque would be a deliberately provocative act in your eyes. But by your own words you see nothing offensive or provocative in what the Muslims were doing at Westminster Abbey? am i right?

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Religion, causing problems since the day it was invented.

its got nothing to do with religion this is a bloke who probably isnt religious in anyway feeling he has the right to take offence of one religious act in front of a different religious building, I didnt see the Dean of Westminster Abbey protesting against it why is this guy so offended by it?

as far as I can see its two religions happy to work together and some idiots trying to make something out of nothing

Perhaps it's because he hates all Muslims and is merely clutching at straws?

very possible however it does diminish your idea that its religion causing problems

Not really, religion has caused problems in the past and still in the present and always will.

Bare in mind I'm a staunch atheist and I'm rather close minded on a religious topic.

well if your going to be closed minded I would say stop getting involved in discussions where religion is involved

if your an athiest thats fine as is your choice but then stop presuming what is right and wrong for religions otherwise you aint much different from the poster here claiming to be offended on behalf of the church of england. As muslims werent standing toe to toe against the church of england, as far as I know it was very peaceful, I fail to see how religions can be blamed for Tommy Robinson getting arrested or whether people should be offended by muslims praying in westminster.

So you dont see how a load of Muslims setting up their loudspeakers at Westminster Abbey and having prayer meetings could be construed as offensive. Can you think of ONE innocent reason why they would go to all the trouble of setting that up. Because im pretty damned sure if you heard there was a group of white males planning to sing psalms outside a mosque the very first thing that would go through your head would be "troublemakers''

In a nutshell - Tommy Robinson walking past a mosque would be a deliberately provocative act in your eyes. But by your own words you see nothing offensive or provocative in what the Muslims were doing at Westminster Abbey? am i right?[/quote]

Were they saying anything provocative?

its got nothing to do with religion this is a bloke who probably isnt religious in anyway feeling he has the right to take offence of one religious act in front of a different religious building, I didnt see the Dean of Westminster Abbey protesting against it why is this guy so offended by it?

as far as I can see its two religions happy to work together and some idiots trying to make something out of nothing

Perhaps it's because he hates all Muslims and is merely clutching at straws?

very possible however it does diminish your idea that its religion causing problems

Not really, religion has caused problems in the past and still in the present and always will.

Bare in mind I'm a staunch atheist and I'm rather close minded on a religious topic.

well if your going to be closed minded I would say stop getting involved in discussions where religion is involved

if your an athiest thats fine as is your choice but then stop presuming what is right and wrong for religions otherwise you aint much different from the poster here claiming to be offended on behalf of the church of england. As muslims werent standing toe to toe against the church of england, as far as I know it was very peaceful, I fail to see how religions can be blamed for Tommy Robinson getting arrested or whether people should be offended by muslims praying in westminster.

I'm merely having my say, what's wrong with that? With out trying to sound nit picky do you only have to be religious to get involved in a religious debate?

no not at all freedom of speech and all that but if your going to make a general statement such as religion causing problems, I would like you to explain how religion has caused a problem in this particular situation because not being a member of the church of england or a muslim I fail to see how either of these religions have caused a problem. So do you want to elaborate or are you going to stick with your original statement

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its got nothing to do with religion this is a bloke who probably isnt religious in anyway feeling he has the right to take offence of one religious act in front of a different religious building, I didnt see the Dean of Westminster Abbey protesting against it why is this guy so offended by it?

as far as I can see its two religions happy to work together and some idiots trying to make something out of nothing

Perhaps it's because he hates all Muslims and is merely clutching at straws?

very possible however it does diminish your idea that its religion causing problems

Not really, religion has caused problems in the past and still in the present and always will.

Bare in mind I'm a staunch atheist and I'm rather close minded on a religious topic.

well if your going to be closed minded I would say stop getting involved in discussions where religion is involved

if your an athiest thats fine as is your choice but then stop presuming what is right and wrong for religions otherwise you aint much different from the poster here claiming to be offended on behalf of the church of england. As muslims werent standing toe to toe against the church of england, as far as I know it was very peaceful, I fail to see how religions can be blamed for Tommy Robinson getting arrested or whether people should be offended by muslims praying in westminster.

I'm merely having my say, what's wrong with that? With out trying to sound nit picky do you only have to be religious to get involved in a religious debate?

no not at all freedom of speech and all that but if your going to make a general statement such as religion causing problems, I would like you to explain how religion has caused a problem in this particular situation because not being a member of the church of england or a muslim I fail to see how either of these religions have caused a problem. So do you want to elaborate or are you going to stick with your original statement[/quote]

Let me ask another question. The answer will help me with my answer. Are the EDL religious?

its got nothing to do with religion this is a bloke who probably isnt religious in anyway feeling he has the right to take offence of one religious act in front of a different religious building, I didnt see the Dean of Westminster Abbey protesting against it why is this guy so offended by it?

as far as I can see its two religions happy to work together and some idiots trying to make something out of nothing

Perhaps it's because he hates all Muslims and is merely clutching at straws?

very possible however it does diminish your idea that its religion causing problems

Not really, religion has caused problems in the past and still in the present and always will.

Bare in mind I'm a staunch atheist and I'm rather close minded on a religious topic.

well if your going to be closed minded I would say stop getting involved in discussions where religion is involved

if your an athiest thats fine as is your choice but then stop presuming what is right and wrong for religions otherwise you aint much different from the poster here claiming to be offended on behalf of the church of england. As muslims werent standing toe to toe against the church of england, as far as I know it was very peaceful, I fail to see how religions can be blamed for Tommy Robinson getting arrested or whether people should be offended by muslims praying in westminster.

So you dont see how a load of Muslims setting up their loudspeakers at Westminster Abbey and having prayer meetings could be construed as offensive. Can you think of ONE innocent reason why they would go to all the trouble of setting that up. Because im pretty damned sure if you heard there was a group of white males planning to sing psalms outside a mosque the very first thing that would go through your head would be "troublemakers''

In a nutshell - Tommy Robinson walking past a mosque would be a deliberately provocative act in your eyes. But by your own words you see nothing offensive or provocative in what the Muslims were doing at Westminster Abbey? am i right?

how is muslim morning prayers offensive?

are you a member of the church of england?

are you a regular church goer?

how exactly are you offended by a religious ceremony which happens all around the world every day several times a day?

I see you havent answered any of my previous questions

walking past a mosque isnt offensive in itself as neither is practicing prayers

however

Tommy and the EDL walking past a mosque threatening muslims and shouting go to hell paki bastards is offensive

same as if these muslims launched a direct attack on the church of england or westminster abbey that would be offensive

if the EDL marched passed that mosque it would have kicked off you know. I know it, Tommy knew it.

Muslims saying prayers in westminster without incident isnt a crime

d_bluebird"]

Perhaps it's because he hates all Muslims and is merely clutching at straws?

very possible however it does diminish your idea that its religion causing problems

Not really, religion has caused problems in the past and still in the present and always will.

Bare in mind I'm a staunch atheist and I'm rather close minded on a religious topic.

well if your going to be closed minded I would say stop getting involved in discussions where religion is involved

if your an athiest thats fine as is your choice but then stop presuming what is right and wrong for religions otherwise you aint much different from the poster here claiming to be offended on behalf of the church of england. As muslims werent standing toe to toe against the church of england, as far as I know it was very peaceful, I fail to see how religions can be blamed for Tommy Robinson getting arrested or whether people should be offended by muslims praying in westminster.

I'm merely having my say, what's wrong with that? With out trying to sound nit picky do you only have to be religious to get involved in a religious debate?

no not at all freedom of speech and all that but if your going to make a general statement such as religion causing problems, I would like you to explain how religion has caused a problem in this particular situation because not being a member of the church of england or a muslim I fail to see how either of these religions have caused a problem. So do you want to elaborate or are you going to stick with your original statement

Let me ask another question. The answer will help me with my answer. Are the EDL religious?[/quote]

no the EDL isnt religious but not sure how that supports your general sweeping statement about religions causing problems

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Perhaps it's because he hates all Muslims and is merely clutching at straws?

very possible however it does diminish your idea that its religion causing problems

Not really, religion has caused problems in the past and still in the present and always will.

Bare in mind I'm a staunch atheist and I'm rather close minded on a religious topic.

well if your going to be closed minded I would say stop getting involved in discussions where religion is involved

if your an athiest thats fine as is your choice but then stop presuming what is right and wrong for religions otherwise you aint much different from the poster here claiming to be offended on behalf of the church of england. As muslims werent standing toe to toe against the church of england, as far as I know it was very peaceful, I fail to see how religions can be blamed for Tommy Robinson getting arrested or whether people should be offended by muslims praying in westminster.

I'm merely having my say, what's wrong with that? With out trying to sound nit picky do you only have to be religious to get involved in a religious debate?

no not at all freedom of speech and all that but if your going to make a general statement such as religion causing problems, I would like you to explain how religion has caused a problem in this particular situation because not being a member of the church of england or a muslim I fail to see how either of these religions have caused a problem. So do you want to elaborate or are you going to stick with your original statement

Let me ask another question. The answer will help me with my answer. Are the EDL religious?[/quote]

no the EDL isnt religious but not sure how that supports your general sweeping statement about religions causing problems[/quote]

My statement wasn't directly aimed at this incident and to be fair I'm struggling a bit to elaborate. However, I'm sure there are a lot of Christians in the EDL and protesting against Islam must be seen as a religious issue? Surely?

P.S, to clarify what I just said about Christians being in the EDL was just an assumption as I didn't research into it.

how is muslim morning prayers offensive?

are you a member of the church of england?

are you a regular church goer?

how exactly are you offended by a religious ceremony which happens all around the world every day several times a day?

I see you havent answered any of my previous questions

walking past a mosque isnt offensive in itself as neither is practicing prayers

however

Tommy and the EDL walking past a mosque threatening muslims and shouting go to hell paki bastards is offensive

same as if these muslims launched a direct attack on the church of england or westminster abbey that would be offensive

if the EDL marched passed that mosque it would have kicked off you know. I know it, Tommy knew it.

Muslims saying prayers in westminster without incident isnt a crime[/quote]

Tommy Robinson walking past a mosque isnt a crime. Tommy Robinson walking past a mosque shouting go to hell would
be offensive. But how can you assume thats what he was going to do, than also assume the Muslim call to prayer was innocent. Ironic really, seeing as Muslim protesters carry banners saying "British Police go to hell" and aren't arrested. eh?

Now, once more. Can you think of one innocent reason why the Muslims decided to call a prayer meeting (complete with loudspeakers) right outside the home of the Church of England in Britain. Of course you f*cking can't. your just too bloody
wrapped up in your PC world to admit it was provocative, aggressive and rude. Yet quite happy to put the boot on the other foot and say Robinson is. Oh and ''the Church of England and Islam working together'' .... have you seen how Christians are treated in Iran, Iraq and Pakistan. Forget Saudi, Islams biggest country, seeing as Christianity is BANNED there. Working together eh? Go visit Mecca see how you get on? (oh i forgot, your not Muslim, they wont let you in!)

The EDL weren't arrested for being provocative or inciting racial tensions. They were arrested for obstructing a police officer, which resulted from them trying to go somewhere they were told not to.

If police asked these muslims on Westminster grass to get off it and they didn't then I would expect them to be arrested for the exact same thing.

Can you answer me this?
Why did the EDL have to walk past that particular mosque in that specific place? I can't think of any other reason other than to cause a scene of some sort.

Of course it was a deliberate act. but the facts are they were stopped. the muslims sticking two fingers up to Britain and democracy are not stopped. you dont see it do you. you are quick to jump on the knobheads of the EDL but are like everyone else and prefer to pretend the Muslims are not worse when they clearly are.

Why are you making all these weird assumptions about what I believe.
I didn't see the praying at Westminster story, if I did I would have said they should have been told to get off the grass.

I dont know how many times I can actually say this but I will, once more as you seem to find it hard to fathom.

EVERYBODY SHOULD BE TREATED EXACTLY THE SAME REGARDLESS OF RACE/RELIGION/SEX etc etc

But you only feel the need to comment on the EDL's misgivings. your a muslim apologist

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbct8TAl9Vs

disgusting. if you done the opposite outside a mosque the police would throw away the key

interesting do you find this equally as disgusting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tfvg3WPpkM0

Sorry? are you using church bells in a Christian Country to make some kind of point here? I would not find a big mosque and a wailing call to prayer disgusting in Pakistan either. So i assume them doing the call to prayer right outside Westminster Abbey wasnt a deliberate provocative act then?

No one is allowed on the grass, that's the rules.

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very possible however it does diminish your idea that its religion causing problems

Not really, religion has caused problems in the past and still in the present and always will.

Bare in mind I'm a staunch atheist and I'm rather close minded on a religious topic.

well if your going to be closed minded I would say stop getting involved in discussions where religion is involved

if your an athiest thats fine as is your choice but then stop presuming what is right and wrong for religions otherwise you aint much different from the poster here claiming to be offended on behalf of the church of england. As muslims werent standing toe to toe against the church of england, as far as I know it was very peaceful, I fail to see how religions can be blamed for Tommy Robinson getting arrested or whether people should be offended by muslims praying in westminster.

I'm merely having my say, what's wrong with that? With out trying to sound nit picky do you only have to be religious to get involved in a religious debate?

no not at all freedom of speech and all that but if your going to make a general statement such as religion causing problems, I would like you to explain how religion has caused a problem in this particular situation because not being a member of the church of england or a muslim I fail to see how either of these religions have caused a problem. So do you want to elaborate or are you going to stick with your original statement

Let me ask another question. The answer will help me with my answer. Are the EDL religious?

no the EDL isnt religious but not sure how that supports your general sweeping statement about religions causing problems[/quote]

My statement wasn't directly aimed at this incident and to be fair I'm struggling a bit to elaborate. However, I'm sure there are a lot of Christians in the EDL and protesting against Islam must be seen as a religious issue? Surely?

P.S, to clarify what I just said about Christians being in the EDL was just an assumption as I didn't research into it.[/quote]

so your statement was just a sweeping statement with no backing to go with it?

this country has had enough problems within christianity without dragging islam into it

yes there are nutters supposedly fighting for Islam, the same as there were nutters in the IRA fighting for Irish independence and Catholic rights and the opposing Loyalist movements fighting for protestant rights. These people dont fight for religion thy fight for their own agendas.

there may well have practicing Christians in the EDL however if there are I would say they really havent listened to their religious teachings or have taken their own interpretation which is correct me if im wrong what the EDL protest against when it comes to Islam

THESE MUSLIMS NEED TO KEEP OFF THE f*cking GRASS

that guy was nuts, his attempt at a gut punch was