The New QPR???

I'll give credit for players signed when in the PL for good value e.g. Michu, but claiming players that were signed when in league 1 / championship like Williams, Taylor and dyer isn't quite the same. Yes they've stepped up but nobody thought about the PL at the time

So signing the top scoring midfielder in spain is better work than signing a young welsh player from non league who was superb in the championship and got better in the pl and shone for team gb out of position. Everbody knew about michu hardly the unknown. And those of us with an ounce of sense good see that taylor, dyer and williams would be able to step up to the pl. In much the same way you lot feel kimbo and mutch will

I like Taylor, think he's a good player and dyer too, b7t personally I think we have players who have more than doubled in value and will continue to prosper next year.

Kimbo, Gunnarsson and Mutch just to name 3, so just cos we are spending money doesnt mean we're not spending it wisely

Jackf you wouldn't have signed those players thinking about the premiership, because you weren't even dreaming of premiership football until late on in that season you got promoted. Those players were already well established at the club.

That's like us saying we signed Mason for future premiership football, when that would be total bollocks.

Of course we were thinking of Premiership. We were always in and around the play offs from the get go, if you think nobody at our club thought of the possibility of winning 3 play off games at seasons end then you are simply wrong.

We signed the likes of Ashley Willams, Neil Taylor and Nathan Dyer for th future, whatever that would be as we believed they were good enough. this was proved by the fact we didn't look for replacements once promoted.

Jackf you wouldn't have signed those players thinking about the premiership, because you weren't even dreaming of premiership football until late on in that season you got promoted. Those players were already well established at the club.

That's like us saying we signed Mason for future premiership football, when that would be total bollocks.

Rubbish. Unlike you lot we took to the championship like a swan to water. We should have made the play offs in our first season. It became apparent to all that there was nothing in the league to worry us. To say we werent even dreaming of the pl until the end of the season we got promoted is absolute nonsense

I'll give credit for players signed when in the PL for good value e.g. Michu, but claiming players that were signed when in league 1 / championship like Williams, Taylor and dyer isn't quite the same. Yes they've stepped up but nobody thought about the PL at the time

If we didn't believe they would make the step up then we wouldn't have had them in our side come the prem season kicking off. Its much better business and foresight to get Williams for 400k who has been the rock of our defence for 5 years plucked from League 2 than to buy the top goalscoring midfielder in La Liga for £2m.

Yeah and when you bought Williams you thought "this guy will captain us in the Prem". Nonsense.
In terms of stepping up I'm referring to when you bought them, not how they subsequently performed. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

I'll give credit for players signed when in the PL for good value e.g. Michu, but claiming players that were signed when in league 1 / championship like Williams, Taylor and dyer isn't quite the same. Yes they've stepped up but nobody thought about the PL at the time

If we didn't believe they would make the step up then we wouldn't have had them in our side come the prem season kicking off. Its much better business and foresight to get Williams for 400k who has been the rock of our defence for 5 years plucked from League 2 than to buy the top goalscoring midfielder in La Liga for £2m.

Yeah and when you bought Williams you thought "this guy will captain us in the Prem". Nonsense.
In terms of stepping up I'm referring to when you bought them, not how they subsequently performed. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

I honestly don't see the relevance.

Nobody knew we were going to be promoted, but it was our ambition as it is every club. We bought him for OUR future, whether that be Prem or Champ. The fact we didn't know we were 100% going to be promoted doesn't take anything away from the signing, value or foresight to sign the player.

He has been first class since joining and him along with Dyer, Taylor etc had done nothing but instill confidence in the fans and management that they could certainly perform at the highest level and were never looked at to be replaced.

I'll give credit for players signed when in the PL for good value e.g. Michu, but claiming players that were signed when in league 1 / championship like Williams, Taylor and dyer isn't quite the same. Yes they've stepped up but nobody thought about the PL at the time

So signing the top scoring midfielder in spain is better work than signing a young welsh player from non league who was superb in the championship and got better in the pl and shone for team gb out of position. Everbody knew about michu hardly the unknown. And those of us with an ounce of sense good see that taylor, dyer and williams would be able to step up to the pl. In much the same way you lot feel kimbo and mutch will

Hindsight. As I've said, I'm referring to when you first got the player in, not how they subsequently performed. And if you're telling me that you thought when you bought Williams that he would lead you in the PL I would have trouble believing you. Yes many of your players did well when you got promoted, and suddenly you always knew they would!

You should be a scout, you'd make a fortune.

I'll give credit for players signed when in the PL for good value e.g. Michu, but claiming players that were signed when in league 1 / championship like Williams, Taylor and dyer isn't quite the same. Yes they've stepped up but nobody thought about the PL at the time

If we didn't believe they would make the step up then we wouldn't have had them in our side come the prem season kicking off. Its much better business and foresight to get Williams for 400k who has been the rock of our defence for 5 years plucked from League 2 than to buy the top goalscoring midfielder in La Liga for £2m.

Yeah and when you bought Williams you thought "this guy will captain us in the Prem". Nonsense.
In terms of stepping up I'm referring to when you bought them, not how they subsequently performed. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

I honestly don't see the relevance.

Nobody knew we were going to be promoted, but it was our ambition as it is every club. We bought him for OUR future, whether that be Prem or Champ. The fact we didn't know we were 100% going to be promoted doesn't take anything away from the signing, value or foresight to sign the player.

He has been first class since joining and him along with Dyer, Taylor etc had done nothing but instill confidence in the fans and management that they could certainly perform at the highest level and were never looked at to be replaced.

Missed the point. When you signed Williams do you honestly think anybody thought he would still be with you if you made the PL?

I'll give credit for players signed when in the PL for good value e.g. Michu, but claiming players that were signed when in league 1 / championship like Williams, Taylor and dyer isn't quite the same. Yes they've stepped up but nobody thought about the PL at the time

If we didn't believe they would make the step up then we wouldn't have had them in our side come the prem season kicking off. Its much better business and foresight to get Williams for 400k who has been the rock of our defence for 5 years plucked from League 2 than to buy the top goalscoring midfielder in La Liga for £2m.

Yeah and when you bought Williams you thought "this guy will captain us in the Prem". Nonsense.
In terms of stepping up I'm referring to when you bought them, not how they subsequently performed. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

I honestly don't see the relevance.

Nobody knew we were going to be promoted, but it was our ambition as it is every club. We bought him for OUR future, whether that be Prem or Champ. The fact we didn't know we were 100% going to be promoted doesn't take anything away from the signing, value or foresight to sign the player.

He has been first class since joining and him along with Dyer, Taylor etc had done nothing but instill confidence in the fans and management that they could certainly perform at the highest level and were never looked at to be replaced.

I agree with you roathy but the same can be said of Kimbo, Gunnar, Mutch and I also believe campbell will be a new player now he has left the graveyard that is sunderland football club.

if we sign ince and he has a bad season I still think we'll recoup a lot of money for him cos he's an England u21. Cornelius was courted by every top club in this country as well as milan and dortmund, Man United were wanking over wanyama just 6 months ago, so please tell me where we a spending silly money?!

I'll give credit for players signed when in the PL for good value e.g. Michu, but claiming players that were signed when in league 1 / championship like Williams, Taylor and dyer isn't quite the same. Yes they've stepped up but nobody thought about the PL at the time

If we didn't believe they would make the step up then we wouldn't have had them in our side come the prem season kicking off. Its much better business and foresight to get Williams for 400k who has been the rock of our defence for 5 years plucked from League 2 than to buy the top goalscoring midfielder in La Liga for £2m.

Yeah and when you bought Williams you thought "this guy will captain us in the Prem". Nonsense.
In terms of stepping up I'm referring to when you bought them, not how they subsequently performed. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

I honestly don't see the relevance.

Nobody knew we were going to be promoted, but it was our ambition as it is every club. We bought him for OUR future, whether that be Prem or Champ. The fact we didn't know we were 100% going to be promoted doesn't take anything away from the signing, value or foresight to sign the player.

He has been first class since joining and him along with Dyer, Taylor etc had done nothing but instill confidence in the fans and management that they could certainly perform at the highest level and were never looked at to be replaced.

Missed the point. When you signed Williams do you honestly think anybody thought he would still be with you if you made the PL?

Absolutely do. He has been the best center back in every league hes been in and is right up there now. Anybody who watched him regularly knew he was destined for the top whether that be with us or someone else.

Another thread derailed.

Why is this allowed to happen. Thread after thread is getting trashed and turned into a debate on the jacks.

I dont care if roathy has come back as a jack this time. The cretin should be banned anyway.

I'll give credit for players signed when in the PL for good value e.g. Michu, but claiming players that were signed when in league 1 / championship like Williams, Taylor and dyer isn't quite the same. Yes they've stepped up but nobody thought about the PL at the time

If we didn't believe they would make the step up then we wouldn't have had them in our side come the prem season kicking off. Its much better business and foresight to get Williams for 400k who has been the rock of our defence for 5 years plucked from League 2 than to buy the top goalscoring midfielder in La Liga for £2m.

Yeah and when you bought Williams you thought "this guy will captain us in the Prem". Nonsense.
In terms of stepping up I'm referring to when you bought them, not how they subsequently performed. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

I honestly don't see the relevance.

Nobody knew we were going to be promoted, but it was our ambition as it is every club. We bought him for OUR future, whether that be Prem or Champ. The fact we didn't know we were 100% going to be promoted doesn't take anything away from the signing, value or foresight to sign the player.

He has been first class since joining and him along with Dyer, Taylor etc had done nothing but instill confidence in the fans and management that they could certainly perform at the highest level and were never looked at to be replaced.

Missed the point. When you signed Williams do you honestly think anybody thought he would still be with you if you made the PL?

Absolutely do. He has been the best center back in every league hes been in and is right up there now. Anybody who watched him regularly knew he was destined for the top whether that be with us or someone else.

Yeah ok

I'll give credit for players signed when in the PL for good value e.g. Michu, but claiming players that were signed when in league 1 / championship like Williams, Taylor and dyer isn't quite the same. Yes they've stepped up but nobody thought about the PL at the time

If we didn't believe they would make the step up then we wouldn't have had them in our side come the prem season kicking off. Its much better business and foresight to get Williams for 400k who has been the rock of our defence for 5 years plucked from League 2 than to buy the top goalscoring midfielder in La Liga for £2m.

Yeah and when you bought Williams you thought "this guy will captain us in the Prem". Nonsense.
In terms of stepping up I'm referring to when you bought them, not how they subsequently performed. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

I honestly don't see the relevance.

Nobody knew we were going to be promoted, but it was our ambition as it is every club. We bought him for OUR future, whether that be Prem or Champ. The fact we didn't know we were 100% going to be promoted doesn't take anything away from the signing, value or foresight to sign the player.

He has been first class since joining and him along with Dyer, Taylor etc had done nothing but instill confidence in the fans and management that they could certainly perform at the highest level and were never looked at to be replaced.

I agree with you roathy but the same can be said of Kimbo, Gunnar, Mutch and I also believe campbell will be a new player now he has left the graveyard that is sunderland football club.

if we sign ince and he has a bad season I still think we'll recoup a lot of money for him cos he's an England u21. Cornelius was courted by every top club in this country as well as milan and dortmund, Man United were wanking over wanyama just 6 months ago, so please tell me where we a spending silly money?!

If Man United wanted Wanyama then they would have got Wanyama lets be honest here. Hes an excellent player anyway, im not saying he isn't.

In my opinion spending silly money means spending money the club itself cannot afford to bear on its own. that's the QPR mould.

Jackf you wouldn't have signed those players thinking about the premiership, because you weren't even dreaming of premiership football until late on in that season you got promoted. Those players were already well established at the club.

That's like us saying we signed Mason for future premiership football, when that would be total bollocks.

Of course we were thinking of Premiership. We were always in and around the play offs from the get go, if you think nobody at our club thought of the possibility of winning 3 play off games at seasons end then you are simply wrong.

We signed the likes of Ashley Willams, Neil Taylor and Nathan Dyer for th future, whatever that would be as we believed they were good enough. this was proved by the fact we didn't look for replacements once promoted.

Exactly, late on in the season - exactly what I said in my original post. I know for a fact that the Swansea City board weren't seriously contemplating premiership football until later that season.

So when you signed Williams in League 1, it was for Premiership football? Don't make me laugh.

im sure when you signed Roger Johnson you were aware that he could be a premier league defender in the future, if you went up while he was still under contract then he would have been a premier league defender for you.

I don't see whats so hard to comprehend.

Jackf you wouldn't have signed those players thinking about the premiership, because you weren't even dreaming of premiership football until late on in that season you got promoted. Those players were already well established at the club.

That's like us saying we signed Mason for future premiership football, when that would be total bollocks.

Of course we were thinking of Premiership. We were always in and around the play offs from the get go, if you think nobody at our club thought of the possibility of winning 3 play off games at seasons end then you are simply wrong.

We signed the likes of Ashley Willams, Neil Taylor and Nathan Dyer for th future, whatever that would be as we believed they were good enough. this was proved by the fact we didn't look for replacements once promoted.

Exactly, late on in the season - exactly what I said in my original post. I know for a fact that the Swansea City board weren't seriously contemplating premiership football until later that season.

So when you signed Williams in League 1, it was for Premiership football? Don't make me laugh.

We didn't sing anyone FOR premiership football Chuckles, ive told you that. none of us are fortune tellers.

What we did do was aquire players capable of playing premiership football whether that be for sell on purposes or for us if we happened to get there. thankfully we did and didn't have to sell them on much to the disappointment of Newcastle. much the same as you did with Roger Johnson.

I think its ridiculous you think a club that came 9th and 8th in the Championship didn't think of the possibility of being promoted when finishing 2 and 1 place higher respectively would have seen us in the play-offs. common sense says that what you have said there is rubbish.

No it isn't, it's fact.

im sure when you signed Roger Johnson you were aware that he could be a premier league defender in the future, if you went up while he was still under contract then he would have been a premier league defender for you.

I don't see whats so hard to comprehend.

Never considered it. Yes he proved a good signing but at the time coming from Wycombe the last thing I thought was this guy will make the PL. More like I've never heard of him. Once he has stepped up and performed well then maybe you can start to make judgements like that, but at the time of signing him? Like you with Williams, you're looking back with hindsight and not remembering the point they first signed and hadn't kicked a ball for you.

I don't see what's so hard to comprehend

I'll give credit for players signed when in the PL for good value e.g. Michu, but claiming players that were signed when in league 1 / championship like Williams, Taylor and dyer isn't quite the same. Yes they've stepped up but nobody thought about the PL at the time

If we didn't believe they would make the step up then we wouldn't have had them in our side come the prem season kicking off. Its much better business and foresight to get Williams for 400k who has been the rock of our defence for 5 years plucked from League 2 than to buy the top goalscoring midfielder in La Liga for £2m.

Yeah and when you bought Williams you thought "this guy will captain us in the Prem". Nonsense.
In terms of stepping up I'm referring to when you bought them, not how they subsequently performed. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

I honestly don't see the relevance.

Nobody knew we were going to be promoted, but it was our ambition as it is every club. We bought him for OUR future, whether that be Prem or Champ. The fact we didn't know we were 100% going to be promoted doesn't take anything away from the signing, value or foresight to sign the player.

He has been first class since joining and him along with Dyer, Taylor etc had done nothing but instill confidence in the fans and management that they could certainly perform at the highest level and were never looked at to be replaced.

I agree with you roathy but the same can be said of Kimbo, Gunnar, Mutch and I also believe campbell will be a new player now he has left the graveyard that is sunderland football club.

if we sign ince and he has a bad season I still think we'll recoup a lot of money for him cos he's an England u21. Cornelius was courted by every top club in this country as well as milan and dortmund, Man United were wanking over wanyama just 6 months ago, so please tell me where we a spending silly money?!

If Man United wanted Wanyama then they would have got Wanyama lets be honest here. Hes an excellent player anyway, im not saying he isn't.

In my opinion spending silly money means spending money the club itself cannot afford to bear on its own. that's the QPR mould.

It's not the QPR mould at all! They bought samba, park, boswinga etc which had zero chance of a return in their investment.
When I was younger and not particularly well off I bought a house, now I'm sitting on that house and it will be sold for a profit for my pension fund. I loaned money to buy the house but I was confident it would be a good investment. Do you see the analogy through your bitter eyes?!

No it isn't, it's fact.

its not though is it, clearly.

It is. Very much fact. I really don't care what you think, but it is a fact. If you want to know how I know, feel free to private message me.

im sure when you signed Roger Johnson you were aware that he could be a premier league defender in the future, if you went up while he was still under contract then he would have been a premier league defender for you.

I don't see whats so hard to comprehend.

Never considered it. Yes he proved a good signing but at the time coming from Wycombe the last thing I thought was this guy will make the PL. More like I've never heard of him. Once he has stepped up and performed well then maybe you can start to make judgements like that, but at the time of signing him? Like you with Williams, you're looking back with hindsight and not remembering the point they first signed and hadn't kicked a ball for you.

I don't see what's so hard to comprehend

You didn't maybe but others did, including our club.

Johnson was widely reported as a future Premier League player but nobody from the Prem wanted to give him the chance. Williams was very similar, was widely recognised as a center back that could one day become a premier league player and we were all delighted when we got him for a then club record deal of 400k. the same is said for Dyer. probably not so much Taylor but has surprised us all by how well hes adapted to life in the Premier League. Britton is another that everyone connected with him knew we had a gen and was destined for bigger things.

When you guys signed kimbo you knew he would either be a prem player with you guys or would be in the future if you didn't get promoted yourselves. no difference.

It is. Very much fact. I really don't care what you think, but it is a fact. If you want to know how I know, feel free to private message me.

why do I need to pm you, just put it on this thread. because at the moment it just sounds silly and you are doing yourself no justice as one of the better posters here.

we just missed out on the play-offs twice before we got promoted, we were clearly thinking of promotion long before the back end of the final season hence the promotion bonuses placed into Sinlair's contract. otherwise why sign him, we had more than enough quality to tread water in the division.

im sure when you signed Roger Johnson you were aware that he could be a premier league defender in the future, if you went up while he was still under contract then he would have been a premier league defender for you.

I don't see whats so hard to comprehend.

Never considered it. Yes he proved a good signing but at the time coming from Wycombe the last thing I thought was this guy will make the PL. More like I've never heard of him. Once he has stepped up and performed well then maybe you can start to make judgements like that, but at the time of signing him? Like you with Williams, you're looking back with hindsight and not remembering the point they first signed and hadn't kicked a ball for you.

I don't see what's so hard to comprehend

You didn't maybe but others did, including our club.

Johnson was widely reported as a future Premier League player but nobody from the Prem wanted to give him the chance. Williams was very similar, was widely recognised as a center back that could one day become a premier league player and we were all delighted when we got him for a then club record deal of 400k. the same is said for Dyer. probably not so much Taylor but has surprised us all by how well hes adapted to life in the Premier League. Britton is another that everyone connected with him knew we had a gen and was destined for bigger things.

When you guys signed kimbo you knew he would either be a prem player with you guys or would be in the future if you didn't get promoted yourselves. no difference.

There's a huge difference. Kim was an established international as opposed to mainly league 1 / 2 experience

why do I need to pm you, just put it on this thread. because at the moment it just sounds silly and you are doing yourself no justice as one of the better posters here.

we just missed out on the play-offs twice before we got promoted, we were clearly thinking of promotion long before the back end of the final season hence the promotion bonuses placed into Sinlair's contract. otherwise why sign him, we had more than enough quality to tread water in the division.

I'm not willing to put it out in public. It wasn't for the public domain. As I said, I don't care what you think or say. If you're interested, PM.

why do I need to pm you, just put it on this thread. because at the moment it just sounds silly and you are doing yourself no justice as one of the better posters here.

we just missed out on the play-offs twice before we got promoted, we were clearly thinking of promotion long before the back end of the final season hence the promotion bonuses placed into Sinlair's contract. otherwise why sign him, we had more than enough quality to tread water in the division.

I'm not willing to put it out in public. It wasn't for the public domain. As I said, I don't care what you think or say. If you're interested, PM.

im not telling you an opinion, im telling you facts. we signed players long before the end of the 3rd season with Promotion clauses in them, we signed them for club record fees knowing full well we had enough quality to tread water in the championship anyway, we finished one place outside the play-offs in our second season, 2 places outside in our first season and were rarely out of the top 4 or 5 all the way through the third.

we WERE thinking of promotion long before the back end of the 3rd season as are any club competing in the top half of the championship, its insane to suggest otherwise.

I'm the one telling you a fact.

Why are so many people rising to the bait?
Let Malky get on with it, the doubters will doubt, the knockers will knock. The proof is just around the corner and I for one will enjoy every minute of our first season in the Premiership.

I'm the one telling you a fact.

well you told me what someone once told you. however the facts ive produced shows we clearly knew promotion was a distinct possibility as any club would being in and around the play-offs since they got there.

Which is more of a fact than what a fan is guessing.

Which is more of a fact than what a fan is guessing.

Im not guessing that we finished 7th and 8th respectively, nor am I guessing we were in the automatic positions and playoff positions pretty much the whole of the 3rd season. Im also not guessing we broke our club transfer record with Sinclair which was heavily weighted on promotion fees... where of course if we just wanted to tread water we could have kept the money in the bank.