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Re: Ince YES, Wanyama No

Mon Jun 24, 2013 3:31 pm

BigBadG wrote:
The Casual wrote:
BigBadG wrote:
Wattsy1983 wrote:For a supposed Cardiff supporter you always reference the jacks in every thread you do. :roll:


The only reasonb i refer to swansea is because they posted a profit of 17mil, won the league cup and finished in the top half of prem. Why would i not want cardiff to emulate that achievement, suppose you think cardiff will be in the top 6 isit buyin these players at inflated prices


You were calling Chuckles a Jack B8stard the other day. Make your mind up. :roll:


What has that got to do with anything? Because I want cardiff to follow a succesful business model and be succesful and produce a annual gross profit. Go back to bed numpty


So you want Cardiff to go into administration?

Re: Ince YES, Wanyama No

Mon Jun 24, 2013 3:35 pm

Wanyama is obviously a better player but at nearly double the price and wages of double most prob. Wouldnt you prefer to take a risk on a cheaper option than bankrupt the club? And isnt it 6.6mil thats what the above thread said with add ons which could mean stayin in the prem

Re: Ince YES, Wanyama No

Mon Jun 24, 2013 3:36 pm

The Casual wrote:
BigBadG wrote:
The Casual wrote:
BigBadG wrote:
Wattsy1983 wrote:For a supposed Cardiff supporter you always reference the jacks in every thread you do. :roll:


The only reasonb i refer to swansea is because they posted a profit of 17mil, won the league cup and finished in the top half of prem. Why would i not want cardiff to emulate that achievement, suppose you think cardiff will be in the top 6 isit buyin these players at inflated prices


You were calling Chuckles a Jack B8stard the other day. Make your mind up. :roll:


What has that got to do with anything? Because I want cardiff to follow a succesful business model and be succesful and produce a annual gross profit. Go back to bed numpty


So you want Cardiff to go into administration?


What are you talking about you on drugs?

Re: Ince YES, Wanyama No

Mon Jun 24, 2013 3:38 pm

You said you wanted to follow the Swansea business module?

Well that involved going into admin, clearing all their debt, then starting again and living within their means?

And how the f*ck is 12m for Wanyama going to "bankrupt the club" you ferret? :laughing5:

Re: Ince YES, Wanyama No

Mon Jun 24, 2013 3:41 pm

BigBadG wrote:
The Casual wrote:
BigBadG wrote:
Wattsy1983 wrote:For a supposed Cardiff supporter you always reference the jacks in every thread you do. :roll:


The only reasonb i refer to swansea is because they posted a profit of 17mil, won the league cup and finished in the top half of prem. Why would i not want cardiff to emulate that achievement, suppose you think cardiff will be in the top 6 isit buyin these players at inflated prices


You were calling Chuckles a Jack B8stard the other day. Make your mind up. :roll:


What has that got to do with anything? Because I want cardiff to follow a succesful business model and be succesful and produce a annual gross profit. Go back to bed numpty

We will be in massive profit next year ,remember we owe 75% of our debt to our owner ,we are no different to any other club in the premier league ,using Swansea as an example is wrong as this year's tv money is massive ,our gates will be 7000 more than them also we own our stadium and get the benefits of all sponsorship within the stadium ,tan is buildinga club for the future with sellable assets ,

Re: Ince YES, Wanyama No

Mon Jun 24, 2013 3:41 pm

jama wrote:
I Bleed Blue wrote:It's okay to spend 8m on a player whose played in the Championship his whole career well most of it but not okay to spend 10m on a Champions League proven player


Agree 100%. People are going well over the top thinking ince represents value at 8mil. Powder puff championship player with potential, nothing more.

The celtic kid looked quality in his division and in the champions league, powerhouse of a player with a fantastic attitude and engine. I'd take wanyama in front of ince all day long.

Don't get me wrong I'm excited by the Ince signing and its a position we need but whats 3m extra more when we're in the bigger leagues? Wanyama looks quality and 10m is fine, we've still got about 9m left of the budget if we sign both

Re: Ince YES, Wanyama No

Mon Jun 24, 2013 3:44 pm

The Casual wrote:You said you wanted to follow the Swansea business module?

Well that involved going into admin, clearing all their debt, then starting again and living within their means?

And how the f*ck is 12m for Wanyama going to "bankrupt the club" you ferret? :laughing5:


Why you going back decades for? what a beauty this guy is embarrassment to Cardiff fans. How can Cardiff afford a player of this quality and wage structure, players like this are more suited to the top teams. Southampton have quite abit of money to spend and he turned down their wages by the sounds of it. Cardiff need to look abroad for cheaper players on manageable wages. This guy cost 900k a few years ago for fuk sake, lets look for a similar player at that price.

Of course I would like to see players like this at Cardiff but not at the cost of adding more debt, what if we get relegated and we are stuck with this player on high wages and will have to offload him on the cheap to get him off the books.

Re: Ince YES, Wanyama No

Mon Jun 24, 2013 3:44 pm

I Bleed Blue wrote:
jama wrote:
I Bleed Blue wrote:It's okay to spend 8m on a player whose played in the Championship his whole career well most of it but not okay to spend 10m on a Champions League proven player


Agree 100%. People are going well over the top thinking ince represents value at 8mil. Powder puff championship player with potential, nothing more.

The celtic kid looked quality in his division and in the champions league, powerhouse of a player with a fantastic attitude and engine. I'd take wanyama in front of ince all day long.

Don't get me wrong I'm excited by the Ince signing and its a position we need but whats 3m extra more when we're in the bigger leagues? Wanyama looks quality and 10m is fine, we've still got about 9m left of the budget if we sign both


If it is £25 mil. It could be more we don't know for sure :malky:

Re: Ince YES, Wanyama No

Mon Jun 24, 2013 3:47 pm

The Scottish League is utter dog shit, the bottom half are like League 2. He's had a great game against Barca now he's Mikel Essien.

Re: Ince YES, Wanyama No

Mon Jun 24, 2013 3:47 pm

BigBadG wrote:
The Casual wrote:You said you wanted to follow the Swansea business module?

Well that involved going into admin, clearing all their debt, then starting again and living within their means?

And how the f*ck is 12m for Wanyama going to "bankrupt the club" you ferret? :laughing5:


Why you going back decades for? what a beauty this guy is embarrassment to Cardiff fans. How can Cardiff afford a player of this quality and wage structure, players like this are more suited to the top teams. Southampton have quite abit of money to spend and he turned down their wages by the sounds of it. Cardiff need to look abroad for cheaper players on manageable wages. This guy cost 900k a few years ago for fuk sake, lets look for a similar player at that price.

Of course I would like to see players like this at Cardiff but not at the cost of adding more debt, what if we get relegated and we are stuck with this player on high wages and will have to offload him on the cheap to get him off the books.


Decades? It was 12 years ago you clown.

Thinking your some kind of accountant your not clever enough to sweep the floor. Daft as a brush.

Re: Ince YES, Wanyama No

Mon Jun 24, 2013 3:49 pm

BigBadG wrote:
The Casual wrote:You said you wanted to follow the Swansea business module?

Well that involved going into admin, clearing all their debt, then starting again and living within their means?

And how the f*ck is 12m for Wanyama going to "bankrupt the club" you ferret? :laughing5:


Why you going back decades for? what a beauty this guy is embarrassment to Cardiff fans. How can Cardiff afford a player of this quality and wage structure, players like this are more suited to the top teams. Southampton have quite abit of money to spend and he turned down their wages by the sounds of it. Cardiff need to look abroad for cheaper players on manageable wages. This guy cost 900k a few years ago for fuk sake, lets look for a similar player at that price.

Of course I would like to see players like this at Cardiff but not at the cost of adding more debt, what if we get relegated and we are stuck with this player on high wages and will have to offload him on the cheap to get him off the books.

Why do you think it's adding to our debt we won't be our turnover this year is around 20 million this coming season will be 100 million our debt profit will be our biggest ever even with increased wage bill and transfer fees ,the transfer fee s ate normally not payment up front either

Re: Ince YES, Wanyama No

Mon Jun 24, 2013 3:50 pm

wez1927 wrote:
BigBadG wrote:
The Casual wrote:You said you wanted to follow the Swansea business module?

Well that involved going into admin, clearing all their debt, then starting again and living within their means?

And how the f*ck is 12m for Wanyama going to "bankrupt the club" you ferret? :laughing5:


Why you going back decades for? what a beauty this guy is embarrassment to Cardiff fans. How can Cardiff afford a player of this quality and wage structure, players like this are more suited to the top teams. Southampton have quite abit of money to spend and he turned down their wages by the sounds of it. Cardiff need to look abroad for cheaper players on manageable wages. This guy cost 900k a few years ago for fuk sake, lets look for a similar player at that price.

Of course I would like to see players like this at Cardiff but not at the cost of adding more debt, what if we get relegated and we are stuck with this player on high wages and will have to offload him on the cheap to get him off the books.

Why do you think it's adding to our debt we won't be our turnover this year is around 20 million this coming season will be 100 million our debt profit will be our biggest ever even with increased wage bill and transfer fees ,the transfer fee s ate normally not payment up front either


You are wasting your time talking turnover and profit with this guy.

Re: Ince YES, Wanyama No

Mon Jun 24, 2013 3:51 pm

Stern wrote:The Scottish League is utter dog shit, the bottom half are like League 2. He's had a great game against Barca now he's Mikel Essien.


EXACTLY

:malky:

Re: Ince YES, Wanyama No

Mon Jun 24, 2013 3:53 pm

ill be first to say im wrong if our debt gets cleared, just cant see it if cardiff waste money on players like wanyama, 12? fuk me sideways

Re: Ince YES, Wanyama No

Mon Jun 24, 2013 3:53 pm

These are exciting times. Being close to signing Ince and even being a viable destination for Wanyama are both very positive yet some people can't be happy and have to try and find negatives with everything. Give it 10 minutes and this will be a rebrand thread again.

Re: Ince YES, Wanyama No

Mon Jun 24, 2013 3:54 pm

It's incredible how many financial experts we've acquired since the rebrand. The other board is full of hindsight posters wearing 20/20 vision goggles

I can't remember such an obsession with high finance when we wore blue

Re: Ince YES, Wanyama No

Mon Jun 24, 2013 3:55 pm

CityGent wrote:It's incredible how many financial experts we've acquired since the rebrand. The other board is full of hindsight posters wearing 20/20 vision goggles

I can't remember such an obsession with high finance when we wore blue

:laughing6:

Re: Ince YES, Wanyama No

Mon Jun 24, 2013 4:00 pm

CityGent wrote:It's incredible how many financial experts we've acquired since the rebrand. The other board is full of hindsight posters wearing 20/20 vision goggles

I can't remember such an obsession with high finance when we wore blue

Our debt levels are nothing compared to other clubs in the premier league ,torres transfer fee is half our debt lol man city wage bill is twice as big as our debt we are sorted now we are in the premiership ,I sure some people want us debt free but playing in blue ,in a shirt league 3 ,I know what I would prefer ,these are the most exciting times ever for us with a real moneyman behind us

Re: Ince YES, Wanyama No

Mon Jun 24, 2013 4:01 pm

BigBadG wrote:
cakey-8t7 wrote:
BigBadG wrote:Fair enough Wanyama looks a top player, but at 12mil and the wages could be to high for us. Cardiff need to spend within their means, swansea for example have signed 2 players, 1 for free and 1 for 475k who cud be equally as good as ince and wanyama who wud cost 18-20 mil between them. Whereas i think ince will be good value, surely we cud find someone as good as wanyama for a cuple of mil, he only cost 900k originally. Dont want us doing a QPR!!


Wanyama has the potential to play for a top four club in the future he is a class act and only 21. In a few years he could be a 20millon pounds plus player so he got a sell on value


But Cardiff cant afford 12 mil on 1 player! Some fans make me sick they do not care about the clubs finances just want to see glory


In all honesty, what can we do about what amount of money is spent on who? I've always cared about the financial side of things, but considering we have a load of egos fannying around behind the scenes, it's hard to continue caring to a certain point.

:ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:

Re: Ince YES, Wanyama No

Mon Jun 24, 2013 4:03 pm

BigBadG wrote:
The Casual wrote:You said you wanted to follow the Swansea business module?

Well that involved going into admin, clearing all their debt, then starting again and living within their means?

And how the f*ck is 12m for Wanyama going to "bankrupt the club" you ferret? :laughing5:


Why you going back decades for? what a beauty this guy is embarrassment to Cardiff fans. How can Cardiff afford a player of this quality and wage structure, players like this are more suited to the top teams. Southampton have quite abit of money to spend and he turned down their wages by the sounds of it. Cardiff need to look abroad for cheaper players on manageable wages. This guy cost 900k a few years ago for fuk sake, lets look for a similar player at that price.

Of course I would like to see players like this at Cardiff but not at the cost of adding more debt, what if we get relegated and we are stuck with this player on high wages and will have to offload him on the cheap to get him off the books.

Why do you think it's adding to our debt we won't be our turnover this year is around 20 million this coming season will be 100 million our debt profit will be our biggest ever even with increased wage bill and transfer fees ,the transfer fee s ate normally not payment up front either

Re: Ince YES, Wanyama No

Mon Jun 24, 2013 4:08 pm

I think once the Langston Debt is sorted then I would feel the club is in a safer position, as I know tan can turn the loans into shares. I maybe just abit paranoid about the debt mounting up, just do not want to see the club do a portsmouth etc

Re: Ince YES, Wanyama No

Mon Jun 24, 2013 4:12 pm

BigBadG wrote:I think once the Langston Debt is sorted then I would feel the club is in a safer position, as I know tan can turn the loans into shares. I maybe just abit paranoid about the debt mounting up, just do not want to see the club do a portsmouth etc

Think of the debt like a mortgage on a house why would you pay it off early if you don't have to ? The Langstone debt is not a big problem now as f it went tits up at least we would have 4 years of payments from the tv money to cover it

Re: Ince YES, Wanyama No

Mon Jun 24, 2013 4:17 pm

wez1927 wrote:
BigBadG wrote:I think once the Langston Debt is sorted then I would feel the club is in a safer position, as I know tan can turn the loans into shares. I maybe just abit paranoid about the debt mounting up, just do not want to see the club do a portsmouth etc

Think of the debt like a mortgage on a house why would you pay it off early if you don't have to ? The Langstone debt is not a big problem now as f it went tits up at least we would have 4 years of payments from the tv money to cover it


Maybe mate maybe, sooner its paid off id be happy tho :malky:

Re: Ince YES, Wanyama No

Mon Jun 24, 2013 4:27 pm

BigBadG wrote:I think once the Langston Debt is sorted then I would feel the club is in a safer position, as I know tan can turn the loans into shares. I maybe just abit paranoid about the debt mounting up, just do not want to see the club do a portsmouth etc

Think of the debt like a mortgage on a house why would you pay it off early if you don't have to ? The Langstone debt is not a big problem now as f it went tits up at least we would have 4 years of payments from the tv money to cover it

Re: Ince YES, Wanyama No

Mon Jun 24, 2013 5:30 pm

BigBadG wrote:I think once the Langston Debt is sorted then I would feel the club is in a safer position, as I know tan can turn the loans into shares. I maybe just abit paranoid about the debt mounting up, just do not want to see the club do a portsmouth etc


the langstone debt shud be kept out of all this. hammam will get what he gets wen tan decides. i dont think it any longer has any bearing on the clubs future other than it being a debt that tan is trying to renegotiate to his and Cardiff Citys advantage.
Wanyama? im one who thinks £10m is too much for him given the standard of football he's been playing. a good showing against
Barcelona culd prove to be just a feller playin the games of his life against players who are slightly off theyr game. BUT if we do spend £10m get him on a three year deal and he does prove to be the dogs bollocks we culd easily double our money in 18 months

Re: Ince YES, Wanyama No

Mon Jun 24, 2013 5:55 pm

Wanyama wont come to us for anything less than £10m. He's a quality player, touted by top teams and has performed in the CL. Be realistic. If you want the best you pay a premium. Hes a quality player and could make the difference between up and down. I'd sign him easily. £10m, decent wage packet and then bring in more quality around him.

People saying dont spend this are stupid. We are Premier League now so get used to these prices. Its a money league.

Re: Ince YES, Wanyama No

Mon Jun 24, 2013 5:57 pm

People suggesting the likes of Karl Henry and Jamie O Hara ffs.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: