Poll on rebrand

I recall he would seek new investors.

That's right.....no mention of walking away like some have been brainwashed into believing.

When this was said the best way new investors would be found is getting us to the premier. Hence why I believed Tan would have still invested if we stayed blue. He needed us in the premier to walk away without loss of face.

Kid yourself what you will, we wouldnt be in the good state we are without him

So he is a liar?

The walker family thought they were leaving blackburn in good hands.........

The walker family thought they were leaving blackburn in good hands.........

So did the previous Chelsea owners when they sold to Roman.

let tan make his money, piss off. then get somebody with millions to spend on the bluebirds, not some one who think its lucky to wear red. or its the year of the donkey. snake . dragon etc. riding the wave me. tan wont be round for too long

I nominate you for BU spokesperson.

Although its difficult to recognise, Tan Has Delivered where others did not.

I recall he would seek new investors.

That's right.....no mention of walking away like some have been brainwashed into believing.

When this was said the best way new investors would be found is getting us to the premier. Hence why I believed Tan would have still invested if we stayed blue. He needed us in the premier to walk away without loss of face.

Kid yourself what you will, we wouldnt be in the good state we are without him

So he is a liar?

a chairman telling porkies would just follow the trend of the previous two chairman
the riddler " all monies from the early bird scheme will go to fund buying players in the January transfer window"
Sam when asked where the money was coming from replied " its my debt and when i leave the club the debt leaves with me"

Another totally original, never before seen thread. I cant imagine what posters are going to vote for which option.

Actually im a reluctant red and appreciate what VT has done for the club.

I hoped that in the here and now the BU realise they may just push out VT and the consequences of that.

Do you really want the sort of person that would walk away because of the colour of the shirt in charge of our club?

Anyway it's academic, there is no way tan would walk away. HE HAS EVERYTHING TO LOSE AND NOTHING TO GAIN FROM WALKING AWAY.

Oh the irony!

So folks, no ifs, buts or may be's, whats your choice??

How is the second option a choice . No vt no club at the moment unless of course there is a plan in place should tan walk away

We'll have to disagree on that one.

I'm not disputing that the club would almost certainly get relegated if Tan were to leave,but no club??

I didn't believe that it was red or dead last yr (red or struggle,yes) but if the club are sensible and don't spend money on players on outrageous and unsustainable wages,don't build the training ground and don't expand the stadium (lets be fair,neither are absolute necessary,the club will survive without them) then the club will be in a position to part company with Tan and still survive perfectly comfortably.

The PL money changes an awful lot of things.

The club is also a saleable asset for the first time in many years.

And there lies the difference Alfie if tan had pulled out last year we would have been able to trade for another couple of months that all.
I would love to see us still playing in blue but at the moment I don't see any alternatives and I certainly don't see anybody who disagree with that opinion come up with any evidence or financial plan to back up their opinions.
If tan said tomorrow ok it's back to blue and I'm off but I'm taking the premiership money to pay the clubs debt back to me how would we survive.
It's alright saying we are a saleable asset now but we would need another tan like investor to come in and take a gamble on us not being relegated and there did not seem to be many of them around two years ago when we were in the high court being wound up by HMRC.
If tan goes ahead and pays Sam of in the next few months that will take up a large portion of the premiership money and we will still be reliant on him pumping money in to get us through the season.

Even finishing bottom of the PL next season guarantees just over £60m of TV money alone, due to the,frankly,extraordinary new TV deal.To put some perspective on it,Man Utd 'only' received £61m in total for winning the PL this season! On top of that a relegated club receives parachute payments of £23m,£18m,£9m and £9m respectively over the following four seasons.

http://www.totalfootballmag.com/feature ... er-league/

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013 ... e-fortunes

In addition to that,of course,gate receipts will greatly increase.If so many fans weren't currently swerving official red and 'beermat' badge merchandise,sales of that would go through the roof too.

Hospitality and promotional opportunities for the club will also sky rocket,as will sponsorship and advertising revenue streams.

Add in overseas television financial deals and PL prize money and we are talking 'game changing' money.

Yes,if we want rid of Tan,we'll have to postpone such luxuries as stadium expansions and new training grounds,plus we'd have to forget about stellar signings, in the short term too.2 or 3 players with PL experience would have to suffice,at best

BUT we do have the opportunity to get rid of Tan (if that becomes the desire of the majority) and get our identity back and more importantly get a more long term financially viable football club,but,as supporters,we'd have to manage our own expectations in the short term.

I'm afraid and i mean this with the greatest of respect,if you really believe its still 'red or dead 'or 'Tan or bust,' you are either kidding yourself or you've swallowed too much of your mate,Steve Borley's rhetoric.

alfie
your not the first by a country mile to throw my friendship with steve into a debate. For the record we were sitting in Block C in the grandstand some 25 years ago a long time before steve got involved in any sort of official capacity with the club. Thats long before some of these against modern football youngsters were born.
to reiterate i believed last year we were red or dead and we had to accept the rebrand and going back to steve who else do you know who is better positioned to know the true state of the clubs finances and the actual way tan thinks and works.
steve has spent time in malaysia with tan and tg and will do again later this month with malky so tell me how can people on a message board or in a supporters organisation think they can gauge tans thinking and strategy better than steve.
he will also tell you that i have said i would delete his twitter account tomorrow if i could because he gets into needless arguments with people who only abuse him anyway if he dosent say what they want to hear.
personally i would love to see us back in blue along with most others but as you can see alfie the absolute majority of the fans out there and based on the amount of people attending the bay celebrations can accept the shirt change for success.
This dosent make them sell outs etc it just means people have different tipping points to others. as an example the majority of my mates who i go to the games with do not see the loss of identity or history until there is ever a name change which would be the straw that would break the camels back for me.
I dont see us suddenly being in the premiership making Tans position any weaker and if he turns his debt to equity we would still have to find someone to buy him out wholesale.
what if that person was Peter Lim who again is an advocate of red would we turn him away because of his beliefs.
Im afraid we have to make do with what we have at the moment and over the years owners/chairmen come and go but rebrand aside Tan has done nothing but good for this club and i believe the silent majority out there are happy with that.

I 100% concur steve. And the problem is that the longer people who are willing to go with tan's plan are called sell outs the more likely they are to say "f**k it I'd rather be red now" that is just human nature and people won't want to align themselves with people who are disrespecting them.

mmmm who would vote red !!!! BLUE for me

So folks, no ifs, buts or may be's, whats your choice??

How is the second option a choice . No vt no club at the moment unless of course there is a plan in place should tan walk away

We'll have to disagree on that one.

I'm not disputing that the club would almost certainly get relegated if Tan were to leave,but no club??

I didn't believe that it was red or dead last yr (red or struggle,yes) but if the club are sensible and don't spend money on players on outrageous and unsustainable wages,don't build the training ground and don't expand the stadium (lets be fair,neither are absolute necessary,the club will survive without them) then the club will be in a position to part company with Tan and still survive perfectly comfortably.

The PL money changes an awful lot of things.

The club is also a saleable asset for the first time in many years.

And there lies the difference Alfie if tan had pulled out last year we would have been able to trade for another couple of months that all.
I would love to see us still playing in blue but at the moment I don't see any alternatives and I certainly don't see anybody who disagree with that opinion come up with any evidence or financial plan to back up their opinions.
If tan said tomorrow ok it's back to blue and I'm off but I'm taking the premiership money to pay the clubs debt back to me how would we survive.
It's alright saying we are a saleable asset now but we would need another tan like investor to come in and take a gamble on us not being relegated and there did not seem to be many of them around two years ago when we were in the high court being wound up by HMRC.
If tan goes ahead and pays Sam of in the next few months that will take up a large portion of the premiership money and we will still be reliant on him pumping money in to get us through the season.

Even finishing bottom of the PL next season guarantees just over £60m of TV money alone, due to the,frankly,extraordinary new TV deal.To put some perspective on it,Man Utd 'only' received £61m in total for winning the PL this season! On top of that a relegated club receives parachute payments of £23m,£18m,£9m and £9m respectively over the following four seasons.

http://www.totalfootballmag.com/feature ... er-league/

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013 ... e-fortunes

In addition to that,of course,gate receipts will greatly increase.If so many fans weren't currently swerving official red and 'beermat' badge merchandise,sales of that would go through the roof too.

Hospitality and promotional opportunities for the club will also sky rocket,as will sponsorship and advertising revenue streams.

Add in overseas television financial deals and PL prize money and we are talking 'game changing' money.

Yes,if we want rid of Tan,we'll have to postpone such luxuries as stadium expansions and new training grounds,plus we'd have to forget about stellar signings, in the short term too.2 or 3 players with PL experience would have to suffice,at best

BUT we do have the opportunity to get rid of Tan (if that becomes the desire of the majority) and get our identity back and more importantly get a more long term financially viable football club,but,as supporters,we'd have to manage our own expectations in the short term.

I'm afraid and i mean this with the greatest of respect,if you really believe its still 'red or dead 'or 'Tan or bust,' you are either kidding yourself or you've swallowed too much of your mate,Steve Borley's rhetoric.

(My responses in bold)

Thanks for the reply Steve,you make some good points.

alfie
your not the first by a country mile to throw my friendship with steve into a debate. For the record we were sitting in Block C in the grandstand some 25 years ago a long time before steve got involved in any sort of official capacity with the club. Thats long before some of these against modern football youngsters were born.

Agree with you about the 'Against Modern Football' stuff. I don't like it and I'm pleased that BU quickly distanced themselves from it.


to reiterate i believed last year we were red or dead and we had to accept the rebrand and going back to steve who else do you know who is better positioned to know the true state of the clubs finances and the actual way tan thinks and works.
steve has spent time in malaysia with tan and tg and will do again later this month with malky so tell me how can people on a message board or in a supporters organisation think they can gauge tans thinking and strategy better than steve.

With respect,Steve is hardly in a position to give an objective viewpoint on the way that the club is run.

Quite understandably, he also has personal finances and business interests very closely linked to the rebrand succeeding.Let's be fair,most of us would probably seek to protect our own interests,in the way that Steve is too. Although,whether all of us would seek to defend (at times) the indefensible at every juncture, in the way that SB has,is a matter for debate.

Whilst accepting that Steve is,of course,very close to the day to day functionality of the club,nobody could claim that his viewpoint is anything other than subjective.




he will also tell you that i have said i would delete his twitter account tomorrow if i could because he gets into needless arguments with people who only abuse him anyway if he dosent say what they want to hear.

The Twitter abuse he receives is unacceptable,as is abuse per se. However,he does leave himself wide open to criticism when he posts what wasn't even a thinly veiled attack on BU. It was incoherent,it was hypocritical and frankly,not becoming of a man with a seat on the board at Cardiff City FC.

As a mate of his,I would suggest that you keep nagging him to delete his Twitter account,because,he is not doing himself or the club any favours by maintaining it,but I think we already agree on that.


personally i would love to see us back in blue along with most others but as you can see alfie the absolute majority of the fans out there and based on the amount of people attending the bay celebrations can accept the shirt change for success.


Wouldn't disagree. The majority are on board with the rebrand,at present,reluctantly or otherwise.I am merely offering a counter opinion and suggesting that people look beyond the scare stories and the rhetoric.



This dosent make them sell outs etc it just means people have different tipping points to others. as an example the majority of my mates who i go to the games with do not see the loss of identity or history until there is ever a name change which would be the straw that would break the camels back for me.

I agree,labelling people as 'sell outs' and as 'spineless' is a mistake.It weakens the pro blue argument and is counterproductive.


I dont see us suddenly being in the premiership making Tans position any weaker and if he turns his debt to equity we would still have to find someone to buy him out wholesale.

I don't think it weakens Tans position either BUT what it does do,paradoxically,is strengthen the fans position. Of all the people I've met who felt it was 'red or dead ' last year,not one thinks that's still the case this season,owing to the PL money.


what if that person was Peter Lim who again is an advocate of red would we turn him away because of his beliefs.
Im afraid we have to make do with what we have at the moment and over the years owners/chairmen come and go but rebrand aside Tan has done nothing but good for this club and i believe the silent majority out there are happy with that.

With respect,Peter Lim buying the club is purely hypothetical but I do agree that there is a possibility that the next owner will want red too,especially if the red Cardiff City 'brand ' proves successful over the next few years. That is where a peaceful movement like BU comes in,by encouraging the fanbase to remain as blue as possible and to swerve the red,any new owner will be far more likely to change back to blue,than if the fanbase has acquiesced and turned red.

I would question whether,rebrand aside,Tan has done 'nothing but good' as,under his tenure,the club has run up record debt levels. I agree that the silent majority don't seem particularly perturbed about this fact but scratch the surface and they'd find a club that has almost certainly spent more than its entire turnover in the past twelve months on players wages alone.Its crazy and unsustainable.

So folks, no ifs, buts or may be's, whats your choice??

How is the second option a choice . No vt no club at the moment unless of course there is a plan in place should tan walk away

We'll have to disagree on that one.

I'm not disputing that the club would almost certainly get relegated if Tan were to leave,but no club??

I didn't believe that it was red or dead last yr (red or struggle,yes) but if the club are sensible and don't spend money on players on outrageous and unsustainable wages,don't build the training ground and don't expand the stadium (lets be fair,neither are absolute necessary,the club will survive without them) then the club will be in a position to part company with Tan and still survive perfectly comfortably.

The PL money changes an awful lot of things.

The club is also a saleable asset for the first time in many years.

And there lies the difference Alfie if tan had pulled out last year we would have been able to trade for another couple of months that all.
I would love to see us still playing in blue but at the moment I don't see any alternatives and I certainly don't see anybody who disagree with that opinion come up with any evidence or financial plan to back up their opinions.
If tan said tomorrow ok it's back to blue and I'm off but I'm taking the premiership money to pay the clubs debt back to me how would we survive.
It's alright saying we are a saleable asset now but we would need another tan like investor to come in and take a gamble on us not being relegated and there did not seem to be many of them around two years ago when we were in the high court being wound up by HMRC.
If tan goes ahead and pays Sam of in the next few months that will take up a large portion of the premiership money and we will still be reliant on him pumping money in to get us through the season.

Even finishing bottom of the PL next season guarantees just over £60m of TV money alone, due to the,frankly,extraordinary new TV deal.To put some perspective on it,Man Utd 'only' received £61m in total for winning the PL this season! On top of that a relegated club receives parachute payments of £23m,£18m,£9m and £9m respectively over the following four seasons.

http://www.totalfootballmag.com/feature ... er-league/

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013 ... e-fortunes

In addition to that,of course,gate receipts will greatly increase.If so many fans weren't currently swerving official red and 'beermat' badge merchandise,sales of that would go through the roof too.

Hospitality and promotional opportunities for the club will also sky rocket,as will sponsorship and advertising revenue streams.

Add in overseas television financial deals and PL prize money and we are talking 'game changing' money.

Yes,if we want rid of Tan,we'll have to postpone such luxuries as stadium expansions and new training grounds,plus we'd have to forget about stellar signings, in the short term too.2 or 3 players with PL experience would have to suffice,at best

BUT we do have the opportunity to get rid of Tan (if that becomes the desire of the majority) and get our identity back and more importantly get a more long term financially viable football club,but,as supporters,we'd have to manage our own expectations in the short term.

I'm afraid and i mean this with the greatest of respect,if you really believe its still 'red or dead 'or 'Tan or bust,' you are either kidding yourself or you've swallowed too much of your mate,Steve Borley's rhetoric.

alfie
your not the first by a country mile to throw my friendship with steve into a debate. For the record we were sitting in Block C in the grandstand some 25 years ago a long time before steve got involved in any sort of official capacity with the club. Thats long before some of these against modern football youngsters were born.
to reiterate i believed last year we were red or dead and we had to accept the rebrand and going back to steve who else do you know who is better positioned to know the true state of the clubs finances and the actual way tan thinks and works.
steve has spent time in malaysia with tan and tg and will do again later this month with malky so tell me how can people on a message board or in a supporters organisation think they can gauge tans thinking and strategy better than steve.
he will also tell you that i have said i would delete his twitter account tomorrow if i could because he gets into needless arguments with people who only abuse him anyway if he dosent say what they want to hear.
personally i would love to see us back in blue along with most others but as you can see alfie the absolute majority of the fans out there and based on the amount of people attending the bay celebrations can accept the shirt change for success.
This dosent make them sell outs etc it just means people have different tipping points to others. as an example the majority of my mates who i go to the games with do not see the loss of identity or history until there is ever a name change which would be the straw that would break the camels back for me.
I dont see us suddenly being in the premiership making Tans position any weaker and if he turns his debt to equity we would still have to find someone to buy him out wholesale.
what if that person was Peter Lim who again is an advocate of red would we turn him away because of his beliefs.
Im afraid we have to make do with what we have at the moment and over the years owners/chairmen come and go but rebrand aside Tan has done nothing but good for this club and i believe the silent majority out there are happy with that.

Well Steve thanks to your friends our future is red.

This tipping point of name change is not going to happen. However everything else is on the cards and you can expect us to be known as the Malaysian Red Dragons or something on those lines. Tan intends to chip away at the blue until he has his red agenda completed and your friends are letting him do that because the name is not effected. Wake up Steve and throw a bucket of cold water over your friends.

Another totally original, never before seen thread. I cant imagine what posters are going to vote for which option.

Actually im a reluctant red and appreciate what VT has done for the club.

I hoped that in the here and now the BU realise they may just push out VT and the consequences of that.

Do you really want the sort of person that would walk away because of the colour of the shirt in charge of our club?

Anyway it's academic, there is no way tan would walk away. HE HAS EVERYTHING TO LOSE AND NOTHING TO GAIN FROM WALKING AWAY.

Oh the irony!

I personally don't think tan will walk away as he has a lot to lose by doing so (and BU don't want him to walk either, they want him to change us back to blue) but Welshpaul believes he may walk away. So I asked Welshpaul if that is the sort of person he would want in charge of the club.

No irony whatsoever.

Perhaps it was red or dead for steve More than Cardiff City. And there-in lies the conflict of interests.

Another totally original, never before seen thread. I cant imagine what posters are going to vote for which option.

Actually im a reluctant red and appreciate what VT has done for the club.

I hoped that in the here and now the BU realise they may just push out VT and the consequences of that.

Do you really want the sort of person that would walk away because of the colour of the shirt in charge of our club?

Anyway it's academic, there is no way tan would walk away. HE HAS EVERYTHING TO LOSE AND NOTHING TO GAIN FROM WALKING AWAY.

Oh the irony!

I personally don't think tan will walk away as he has a lot to lose by doing so (and BU don't want him to walk either, they want him to change us back to blue) but Welshpaul believes he may walk away. So I asked Welshpaul if that is the sort of person he would want in charge of the club.

No irony whatsoever.

If you invested heavily, delivered on promises and saved the club from admin would you be pist off to see thousands of fans 'marching " in protest? Would you think sod this i'll cash in and move on?? I really hope not but the culture in the far east is heavily based on respect.

And if he did go watch the most vocal panic and try and get him to stay, just like last time.

"If I go, I will leave the club in good hands".

Or was he lying?

"If I go, I will leave the club in good hands".

Or was he lying?

This keeps being brought up and I dont know why it's so important to you. Nobody ever said that vincent tan was gandhi or jesus. Like corky said earlier nobody 100% knows tans long term motives but so far so good I say.

If he settles the langston debt, turns debt into equity, expands the stadium, and builds new training facilities then all in all I think that is a good swap for a colour of a shirt.
But that's just my opinion

It's quite simple why it's important...

People use the "we would be dead if it wasn't for our saviour Tan" line too much & they conveniently forget that their "saviour" said that..

Unless they hold him in high regard & then call him a liar, of coursed

It's quite simple why it's important...

People use the "we would be dead if it wasn't for our saviour Tan" line too much & they conveniently forget that their "saviour" said that..

Unless they hold him in high regard & then call him a liar, of coursed

your eye rolling is just confirming how much of prick you are.

I just nobody knows his long term intentions didnt I. So maybe he was lying. What difference does that make?
If he is lying yes it is red or dead.

dont bother answering my posts again as I dont want anything to do with you.

It's quite simple why it's important...

People use the "we would be dead if it wasn't for our saviour Tan" line too much & they conveniently forget that their "saviour" said that..

Unless they hold him in high regard & then call him a liar, of coursed

your eye rolling is just confirming how much of prick you are.

I just nobody knows his long term intentions didnt I. So maybe he was lying. What difference does that make?
If he is lying yes it is red or dead.

dont bother answering my posts again as I dont want anything to do with you.

can't debate maturely, so resorts to pathetic insults?

We DO know his long term intentions, he categorically stated it in an interview. He wants to stay for a long time, but if the fans are rude/not respectful, he will leave... If he does leave, he will leave it in good hands..

Seeing as that is exactly what he said, I think that we can take that as his long term intentions.. As I said, unless he was lying.

He's the saviour to many people, but a saviour that they don't trust.. Very bizarre.

It's a shame you feel that way as I'd love to debate with you all the time.. All you seem to do is throw insults around if questioned...

Another totally original, never before seen thread. I cant imagine what posters are going to vote for which option.

Actually im a reluctant red and appreciate what VT has done for the club.

I hoped that in the here and now the BU realise they may just push out VT and the consequences of that.

Do you really want the sort of person that would walk away because of the colour of the shirt in charge of our club?

Anyway it's academic, there is no way tan would walk away. HE HAS EVERYTHING TO LOSE AND NOTHING TO GAIN FROM WALKING AWAY.

Oh the irony!

I personally don't think tan will walk away as he has a lot to lose by doing so (and BU don't want him to walk either, they want him to change us back to blue) but Welshpaul believes he may walk away. So I asked Welshpaul if that is the sort of person he would want in charge of the club.

No irony whatsoever.

If you invested heavily, delivered on promises and saved the club from admin would you be pist off to see thousands of fans 'marching " in protest? Would you think sod this i'll cash in and move on?? I really hope not but the culture in the far east is heavily based on respect.

And if he did go watch the most vocal panic and try and get him to stay, just like last time.

Respect is a two way street. He has shown our fans no respect at all, in fact he has treated us with contempt.

It's quite simple why it's important...

People use the "we would be dead if it wasn't for our saviour Tan" line too much & they conveniently forget that their "saviour" said that..

Unless they hold him in high regard & then call him a liar, of coursed

your eye rolling is just confirming how much of prick you are.

I just nobody knows his long term intentions didnt I. So maybe he was lying. What difference does that make?
If he is lying yes it is red or dead.

dont bother answering my posts again as I dont want anything to do with you.

can't debate maturely, so resorts to pathetic insults?

We DO know his long term intentions, he categorically stated it in an interview. He wants to stay for a long time, but if the fans are rude/not respectful, he will leave... If he does leave, he will leave it in good hands..

Seeing as that is exactly what he said, I think that we can take that as his long term intentions.. As I said, unless he was lying.

He's the saviour to many people, but a saviour that they don't trust.. Very bizarre.

It's a shame you feel that way as I'd love to debate with you all the time.. All you seem to do is throw insults around if questioned...

If everything is so black and white on your cosy little world so be it.

but for us grown ups things are little more complex. Perhaps barry chickles can be our chairman and invest his rent boy money!

You're a pathetic individual who has a one track argument more suited to a school playground.

Yes Tan was our saviour in that the taxman was about to liquidate us. Is he a man who never lies? My guess would be no!

From what I am led to believe that you will soon see he is about to honour all the promises he made as a condition of rebranding us.

For me and the majority of our fans that is good deal. Is that so hard to understand??!

You can try to discredit him as much as you want but I love cardiff city and I don't want ever to see us under the risk of going to the wall again.

in a perfect world like yours we would have an owner ride in on a blue horse in shining armour taking us to the champions league final every in a blue kit.

I'm sorry to disappointed you chuckles but we dont live in a perfect world!

Ps if you think I'm gonna play whoever has the last post wins with you, you are sadly mistaken

Another totally original, never before seen thread. I cant imagine what posters are going to vote for which option.

Actually im a reluctant red and appreciate what VT has done for the club.

I hoped that in the here and now the BU realise they may just push out VT and the consequences of that.

Do you really want the sort of person that would walk away because of the colour of the shirt in charge of our club?

Anyway it's academic, there is no way tan would walk away. HE HAS EVERYTHING TO LOSE AND NOTHING TO GAIN FROM WALKING AWAY.

Oh the irony!

I personally don't think tan will walk away as he has a lot to lose by doing so (and BU don't want him to walk either, they want him to change us back to blue) but Welshpaul believes he may walk away. So I asked Welshpaul if that is the sort of person he would want in charge of the club.

No irony whatsoever.

If you invested heavily, delivered on promises and saved the club from admin would you be pist off to see thousands of fans 'marching " in protest? Would you think sod this i'll cash in and move on?? I really hope not but the culture in the far east is heavily based on respect.

And if he did go watch the most vocal panic and try and get him to stay, just like last time.

spot on.

If everything is so black and white on your cosy little world so be it.

but for us grown ups things are little more complex. Perhaps barry chickles can be our chairman and invest his rent boy money!

Grown ups? the way you are trying to debate is hardly the grown up way of going about it...

You're a pathetic individual who has a one track argument more suited to a school playground.

says the man who calls someone a prick and rent boy for disagreeing with them.. Surely that far more "suited to a school playground, no?

Yes Tan was our saviour in that the taxman was about to liquidate us. Is he a man who never lies? My guess would be no!

From what I am led to believe that you will soon see he is about to honour all the promises he made as a condition of rebranding us.

Where have I stated that he wasn't going to honour those promises? You're the one calling him a liar!

For me and the majority of our fans that is good deal. Is that so hard to understand??!

Not at all, is it so hard to understand there are a great deal of people that don't think it's a good deal... IS THAT SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND?!!

You can try to discredit him as much as you want but I love cardiff city and I don't want ever to see us under the risk of going to the wall again.

in a perfect world like yours we would have an owner ride in on a blue horse in shining armour taking us to the champions league final every in a blue kit.

hardly perfect, would just be the correct way of doing things. It's hardly much to ask that an owner respects club traditions & identity.

I'm sorry to disappointed you chuckles but we dont live in a perfect world!

Please tell me where I claimed that we do?
Ps if you think I'm gonna play whoever has the last post wins with you, you are sadly mistaken

you replied last time, even though you said in a previous post that you "want nothing more to do with me"

BLUE OF COURSE !

That's How Cardiff City Fc have always been known
Blooooooooobirds !

Blue for me all the way!We sing about the team in blue we've always supported the team in blue we r CARDIFF CITY F.C the BLUEBIRDS!its not all about being in the prem for me it's about supporting my team win lose or draw!

so theres 47 jacks pretending to be city fans on this board......

so theres 47 jacks pretending to be city fans on this board......

Or 20 city fans with multiple usernames.
It will never be a fair poll.
Just a bit of fun.

I'm BLUE all the way, at whatever cost, Bluebirds Unite we will march and we'll fight cause we won't be seen dead in that horrible red

MY HEART IS BLUE AND TO IT I MUST BE TRUE. NOBODY CAN TAKE IT AWAY OR CHANGE IT