' BLUEBIRDS UNITE MEETING/ REPORT '

Carl if it's to promote the clubs history etc then I'm sure all City fans will be behind it, but the danger is that some will want it to become divisive and thats where the problem lies. Even the piece in the echo of sians argument with her butcher was needless in my opinion. Many, like myself would like to see us play in blue again but dont want to bite the hand that feeds us.
If it wasn't for the rebrand Vincent Tan would be our best owner ever by an absolute country mile. He travels over from malaysia frequently, he (along with tg) saved us from liquidation, he lets malky get on with the football side of things and he has supported his vision for the club 100%.
I wish his PR with the fans was better but in the grand scheme of things I still thing he has been a massive positive for this club.
I sincerely hope that bluebirds unite will continue to be constructive in their way of going about things and will be quick to dispel any sign of antagonism which is bound rise up from 1 or 2

It would appear that the first meeting of Bluebirds Unite went very well and those who 'fronted' the meeting (Sian, Annis et al) put their points across in a positive and constructed manner. That is to their credit, as we have seen too many group meetings degenerate rapidly in the past resulting in a complete lack of credibility from that moment on. Congratulations to all those involved, including attendees

However, I completely agree with 'thehumbegringo' above, who sums it up for what is still the vast majority of Cardiff City FC supporters, i.e. that Vincent Tan has (on the whole) been a massive positive for the club and has taken us from near oblivion to the Premiership ina pretty short time

I doubt he will ever be the Sam-like 'character' that many would like (mixing with the fans, walking around the pitch and serving up sheeps testicles for lunch! ) but that doesn't take away from the positive influence he has been on the club itself and the way it is now run in an efficient and forward thinking manner

I wish Bluebirds Unite all the success in the world, so long as it is done in a constructive and considered way

Extremely well put. Whilst we all want a return to blue we must be careful not to throw the baby out with the bath water. VT has been an amazing influence on this club, rebrand or not.

So if Bluebirds Unite are to thrive they must get their message out better and inform us 'NITK's (Not In The Know's) fans exactly what they stand for and what they are willing to do or more importantly not willing to do to achieve their ultimate goal of a blue kit.

Being absolutely blunt and honest if it comes to a choice between VT & Blue I will go with VT every time because that safe guards the welfare of CCFC and I couldn't careless how many times I'm called a sell out for it.

I still think VT can be influenced and lobbied for a return to blue but it won't happen overnight and we are probably at best looking at 5 to 10 years of a red kit.

Carl if it's to promote the clubs history etc then I'm sure all City fans will be behind it, but the danger is that some will want it to become divisive and thats where the problem lies. Even the piece in the echo of sians argument with her butcher was needless in my opinion. Many, like myself would like to see us play in blue again but dont want to bite the hand that feeds us.
If it wasn't for the rebrand Vincent Tan would be our best owner ever by an absolute country mile. He travels over from malaysia frequently, he (along with tg) saved us from liquidation, he lets malky get on with the football side of things and he has supported his vision for the club 100%.
I wish his PR with the fans was better but in the grand scheme of things I still thing he has been a massive positive for this club.
I sincerely hope that bluebirds unite will continue to be constructive in their way of going about things and will be quick to dispel any sign of antagonism which is bound rise up from 1 or 2

It would appear that the first meeting of Bluebirds Unite went very well and those who 'fronted' the meeting (Sian, Annis et al) put their points across in a positive and constructed manner. That is to their credit, as we have seen too many group meetings degenerate rapidly in the past resulting in a complete lack of credibility from that moment on. Congratulations to all those involved, including attendees

However, I completely agree with 'thehumbegringo' above, who sums it up for what is still the vast majority of Cardiff City FC supporters, i.e. that Vincent Tan has (on the whole) been a massive positive for the club and has taken us from near oblivion to the Premiership ina pretty short time

I doubt he will ever be the Sam-like 'character' that many would like (mixing with the fans, walking around the pitch and serving up sheeps testicles for lunch! ) but that doesn't take away from the positive influence he has been on the club itself and the way it is now run in an efficient and forward thinking manner

I wish Bluebirds Unite all the success in the world, so long as it is done in a constructive and considered way

Extremely well put. Whilst we all want a return to blue we must be careful not to throw the baby out with the bath water. VT has been an amazing influence on this club, rebrand or not.

So if Bluebirds Unite are to thrive they must get their message out better and inform us 'NITK's (Not In The Know's) fans exactly what they stand for and what they are willing to do or more importantly not willing to do to achieve their ultimate goal of a blue kit.

Being absolutely blunt and honest if it comes to a choice between VT & Blue I will go with VT every time because that safe guards the welfare of CCFC and I couldn't careless how many times I'm called a sell out for it.

I still think VT can be influenced and lobbied for a return to blue but it won't happen overnight and we are probably at best looking at 5 to 10 years of a red kit.

I honestly think the best thing BU could do is lobby to get all their members to join the Trust and work with them to get more communication with the club. If alot more people joined the Trust they would have a great voice to talk to the club about what they are after.

Just wearing blue to games isnt going to be enough unfortunatly as 600 in a crowd of 27000 isnt going to stand out as much. I also think they need to get their name out more and really impose on the rest of the fan base what they are actually for.

Carl if it's to promote the clubs history etc then I'm sure all City fans will be behind it, but the danger is that some will want it to become divisive and thats where the problem lies. Even the piece in the echo of sians argument with her butcher was needless in my opinion. Many, like myself would like to see us play in blue again but dont want to bite the hand that feeds us.
If it wasn't for the rebrand Vincent Tan would be our best owner ever by an absolute country mile. He travels over from malaysia frequently, he (along with tg) saved us from liquidation, he lets malky get on with the football side of things and he has supported his vision for the club 100%.
I wish his PR with the fans was better but in the grand scheme of things I still thing he has been a massive positive for this club.
I sincerely hope that bluebirds unite will continue to be constructive in their way of going about things and will be quick to dispel any sign of antagonism which is bound rise up from 1 or 2

It would appear that the first meeting of Bluebirds Unite went very well and those who 'fronted' the meeting (Sian, Annis et al) put their points across in a positive and constructed manner. That is to their credit, as we have seen too many group meetings degenerate rapidly in the past resulting in a complete lack of credibility from that moment on. Congratulations to all those involved, including attendees

However, I completely agree with 'thehumbegringo' above, who sums it up for what is still the vast majority of Cardiff City FC supporters, i.e. that Vincent Tan has (on the whole) been a massive positive for the club and has taken us from near oblivion to the Premiership ina pretty short time

I doubt he will ever be the Sam-like 'character' that many would like (mixing with the fans, walking around the pitch and serving up sheeps testicles for lunch! ) but that doesn't take away from the positive influence he has been on the club itself and the way it is now run in an efficient and forward thinking manner

I wish Bluebirds Unite all the success in the world, so long as it is done in a constructive and considered way

Extremely well put. Whilst we all want a return to blue we must be careful not to throw the baby out with the bath water. VT has been an amazing influence on this club, rebrand or not.

So if Bluebirds Unite are to thrive they must get their message out better and inform us 'NITK's (Not In The Know's) fans exactly what they stand for and what they are willing to do or more importantly not willing to do to achieve their ultimate goal of a blue kit.

Being absolutely blunt and honest if it comes to a choice between VT & Blue I will go with VT every time because that safe guards the welfare of CCFC and I couldn't careless how many times I'm called a sell out for it.

I still think VT can be influenced and lobbied for a return to blue but it won't happen overnight and we are probably at best looking at 5 to 10 years of a red kit.

I honestly think the best thing BU could do is lobby to get all their members to join the Trust and work with them to get more communication with the club. If alot more people joined the Trust they would have a great voice to talk to the club about what they are after.

Just wearing blue to games isnt going to be enough unfortunatly as 600 in a crowd of 27000 isnt going to stand out as much. I also think they need to get their name out more and really impose on the rest of the fan base what they are actually for.

Not picking holes but they is a lot more than 600 wear Blue to our home games

Carl if it's to promote the clubs history etc then I'm sure all City fans will be behind it, but the danger is that some will want it to become divisive and thats where the problem lies. Even the piece in the echo of sians argument with her butcher was needless in my opinion. Many, like myself would like to see us play in blue again but dont want to bite the hand that feeds us.
If it wasn't for the rebrand Vincent Tan would be our best owner ever by an absolute country mile. He travels over from malaysia frequently, he (along with tg) saved us from liquidation, he lets malky get on with the football side of things and he has supported his vision for the club 100%.
I wish his PR with the fans was better but in the grand scheme of things I still thing he has been a massive positive for this club.
I sincerely hope that bluebirds unite will continue to be constructive in their way of going about things and will be quick to dispel any sign of antagonism which is bound rise up from 1 or 2

It would appear that the first meeting of Bluebirds Unite went very well and those who 'fronted' the meeting (Sian, Annis et al) put their points across in a positive and constructed manner. That is to their credit, as we have seen too many group meetings degenerate rapidly in the past resulting in a complete lack of credibility from that moment on. Congratulations to all those involved, including attendees

However, I completely agree with 'thehumbegringo' above, who sums it up for what is still the vast majority of Cardiff City FC supporters, i.e. that Vincent Tan has (on the whole) been a massive positive for the club and has taken us from near oblivion to the Premiership ina pretty short time

I doubt he will ever be the Sam-like 'character' that many would like (mixing with the fans, walking around the pitch and serving up sheeps testicles for lunch! ) but that doesn't take away from the positive influence he has been on the club itself and the way it is now run in an efficient and forward thinking manner

I wish Bluebirds Unite all the success in the world, so long as it is done in a constructive and considered way

Extremely well put. Whilst we all want a return to blue we must be careful not to throw the baby out with the bath water. VT has been an amazing influence on this club, rebrand or not.

So if Bluebirds Unite are to thrive they must get their message out better and inform us 'NITK's (Not In The Know's) fans exactly what they stand for and what they are willing to do or more importantly not willing to do to achieve their ultimate goal of a blue kit.

Being absolutely blunt and honest if it comes to a choice between VT & Blue I will go with VT every time because that safe guards the welfare of CCFC and I couldn't careless how many times I'm called a sell out for it.

I still think VT can be influenced and lobbied for a return to blue but it won't happen overnight and we are probably at best looking at 5 to 10 years of a red kit.

I honestly think the best thing BU could do is lobby to get all their members to join the Trust and work with them to get more communication with the club. If alot more people joined the Trust they would have a great voice to talk to the club about what they are after.

Just wearing blue to games isnt going to be enough unfortunatly as 600 in a crowd of 27000 isnt going to stand out as much. I also think they need to get their name out more and really impose on the rest of the fan base what they are actually for.

Not picking holes but they is a lot more than 600 wear Blue to our home games

No I fully understand that but I meant in terms of who is part of their group. I always wear blue myself, I have high hopes for BU but I would just like to know more about what they have planned

Carl if it's to promote the clubs history etc then I'm sure all City fans will be behind it, but the danger is that some will want it to become divisive and thats where the problem lies. Even the piece in the echo of sians argument with her butcher was needless in my opinion. Many, like myself would like to see us play in blue again but dont want to bite the hand that feeds us.
If it wasn't for the rebrand Vincent Tan would be our best owner ever by an absolute country mile. He travels over from malaysia frequently, he (along with tg) saved us from liquidation, he lets malky get on with the football side of things and he has supported his vision for the club 100%.
I wish his PR with the fans was better but in the grand scheme of things I still thing he has been a massive positive for this club.
I sincerely hope that bluebirds unite will continue to be constructive in their way of going about things and will be quick to dispel any sign of antagonism which is bound rise up from 1 or 2

It would appear that the first meeting of Bluebirds Unite went very well and those who 'fronted' the meeting (Sian, Annis et al) put their points across in a positive and constructed manner. That is to their credit, as we have seen too many group meetings degenerate rapidly in the past resulting in a complete lack of credibility from that moment on. Congratulations to all those involved, including attendees

However, I completely agree with 'thehumbegringo' above, who sums it up for what is still the vast majority of Cardiff City FC supporters, i.e. that Vincent Tan has (on the whole) been a massive positive for the club and has taken us from near oblivion to the Premiership ina pretty short time

I doubt he will ever be the Sam-like 'character' that many would like (mixing with the fans, walking around the pitch and serving up sheeps testicles for lunch! ) but that doesn't take away from the positive influence he has been on the club itself and the way it is now run in an efficient and forward thinking manner

I wish Bluebirds Unite all the success in the world, so long as it is done in a constructive and considered way

Extremely well put. Whilst we all want a return to blue we must be careful not to throw the baby out with the bath water. VT has been an amazing influence on this club, rebrand or not.

So if Bluebirds Unite are to thrive they must get their message out better and inform us 'NITK's (Not In The Know's) fans exactly what they stand for and what they are willing to do or more importantly not willing to do to achieve their ultimate goal of a blue kit.

Being absolutely blunt and honest if it comes to a choice between VT & Blue I will go with VT every time because that safe guards the welfare of CCFC and I couldn't careless how many times I'm called a sell out for it.

I still think VT can be influenced and lobbied for a return to blue but it won't happen overnight and we are probably at best looking at 5 to 10 years of a red kit.

I honestly think the best thing BU could do is lobby to get all their members to join the Trust and work with them to get more communication with the club. If alot more people joined the Trust they would have a great voice to talk to the club about what they are after.

Just wearing blue to games isnt going to be enough unfortunatly as 600 in a crowd of 27000 isnt going to stand out as much. I also think they need to get their name out more and really impose on the rest of the fan base what they are actually for.

Not picking holes but they is a lot more than 600 wear Blue to our home games

Correct...AND I AM ONE OF THEM, so not too sure why the 'rolling eyes' as most of those are 'accepting' of the rebrand because the KNOW the consequences of Tan not becoming involved when he did

For SOME that wouldn't matter...but for MOST it would (including some prominent members of BU

Bloody hell you cant win with some of you lot.

There were over 600 fans who turned up on a Tuesday night in a pub to show their Support for Bluebirds Unite,they had 300 for their first meeting 2 weeks ago.
In 10 days approx 5,500 sign a petition and in a month 2,400 aprox join the group and remember not everyone looks on this forum and fb. This group is growing rapidly and has an excellent Spokesperson/leader in Sian Branson who I am fully behind. They have already putting together a committee of about 20 fans who can give a lot of time and can help organise things for Bluebirds Unite.THey are now getting plenty of publicity.

Mistakes will be made along the way, but they will be corrected. The aim of the group is to keep our identity alive and keep the Club aware that We want it back, we have no intentions of hurting our club. The Group stands for one thing only restoring Cardiff City's identity/Colour and reminding everyone about it and at the same time it is making a lot of fans proud again who are involved in it and that includes myself.

No Bluebirds Unite will not be joining the Trust, the Trust is welcome to Support Bluebirds Unite and its aims. Bluebirds Unite welcomes all City fans who want our Identity back and are willing to show that by wearing the Blue at home and away games and not endorsing the Red by buying it and wearing it. There will be no belittling of other fans, all we want is Cardiff City to be Blue again and our fans to wear it with Pride.

Yes a march will be organised and I will anticipate that 3,000- 4,000 will join it,a big high profile game will be chosen, so the World will see it on TV. I would like more, but who knows.
Why dont you all give this group a chance, they have harmed no one, they just believe like myself that Cardiff City should be BLUE. Thats All I have ever known and that to me is Our Identity. BLUEBIRDS.

I cant be bothered having arguments/debates about it, your either with us or not, My stance has never changed, I am BLUE end Off and I want my club have to its True Identity returned, the one I have only ever known.

[quote="Forever Blue"]Bloody hell you cant win with some of you lot.

There were over 600 fans who turned up on a Tuesday night in a pub to show their Support for Bluebirds Unite,they had 300 for their first meeting 2 weeks ago.
In 10 days approx 5,500 sign a petition and in a month 2,400 aprox join the group and remember not everyone looks on this forum and fb. This group is growing rapidly and has an excellent Spokesperson/leader in Sian Branson who I am fully behind. They have already putting together a committee of about 20 fans who can give a lot of time and can help organise things for Bluebirds Unite.THey are now getting plenty of publicity.

Mistakes will be made along the way, but they will be corrected. The aim of the group is to keep our identity alive and keep the Club aware that We want it back, we have no intentions of hurting our club. The Group stands for one thing only restoring Cardiff City's identity/Colour and reminding everyone about it and at the same time it is making a lot of fans proud again who are involved in it and that includes myself.

No Bluebirds Unite will not be joining the Trust, the Trust is welcome to Support Bluebirds Unite and its aims. Bluebirds Unite welcomes all City fans who want our Identity back and are willing to show that by wearing the Blue at home and away games and not endorsing the Red by buying it and wearing it. There will be no belittling of other fans, all we want is Cardiff City to be Blue again and our fans to wear it with Pride.

Yes a march will be organised and I will anticipate that 3,000- 4,000 will join it,a big high profile game will be chosen, so the World will see it on TV. I would like more, but who knows.
Why dont you all give this group a chance, they have harmed no one, they just believe like myself that Cardiff City should be BLUE. Thats All I have ever known and that to me is Our Identity. BLUEBIRDS.

I cant be bothered having arguments/debates about it, your either with us or not, My stance has never changed, I am BLUE end Off and I want my club have to its True Identity returned, the one I have only ever known.
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I agree with what you are saying but as long as that is all it's about, It's just when you see a picture in the local paper with a flag in it that says "against modern football", and it was in their 1st march I don't agree with that. The Premiership is wear I thought most Cardiff City fans wanted to be but the premiership is modern football"get, "I would like to join but until it's just about the Blue I will hold off

Annis I'm not quite sure who your response is aimed at but the majority of people who have responded on this thread have legitimate concerns about the future of bluebirds unite (especially if they are thinking of getting involved with such a group.)

Some of us believe that vincent tan has a lot to offer the club and believe that he is not all bad like some would push us to believe. I remember coming on this board one summer when risdale was at the helm and being told we were days away from liquidation. I remember that guy from motherwell coming on sky sports caning us saying we owed them money. Our club was an absolute mess. Now the club is being run better than ever. Only a few weeks ago dave jones was about to come out grizzling to the press but the club immediately resolved the situation and he went away saying how professionally the matter was dealt with.
we have academy 2 status, new training facilities about to be announced, Serious negotiations with langston, we are attracting top quality players, we have a worldwide scouting network and a WAITING LIST FOR SEASON TICKETS. I remember a time when I didnt have to wait to get in when I arrived at the turnstile at five to three!

Look there are things that could be improved and I think public relations with our own fanbase should be top of the agenda. We have been arguing with each other for over a year whether tan has a plan which is the reason for turning red, I truly believe he would be better off saying whether he has or whether he just thinks it's lucky.

I do think he was wrong changing the colour and alienating some fans and I think it was even worse the way the whole thing was handled.

However I do have reservations about bluebirds unite. I may be completely wrong and they may prove me wrong but I have heard so much about gwyn and the bullies on both messageboards yet I have witnessed far more bullying and intimidation on these messageboards during the last year.

my concern is that if bluebirds unite continues to multiply then soon there will be an element calling those who do choose to wear red 'wankers' 'sell outs' etc and it will be anarchy again.

personally I would admire a group who would campaign for us to return to blue without alienating our owner or fellow cardiff fans but I do worry that this will never be the case.

Just wearing blue to games isnt going to be enough unfortunatly as 600 in a crowd of 27000 isnt going to stand out as much. I also think they need to get their name out more and really impose on the rest of the fan base what they are actually for.[/quote]

Not picking holes but they is a lot more than 600 wear Blue to our home games [/quote]



Correct...AND I AM ONE OF THEM, so not too sure why the 'rolling eyes' as most of those are 'accepting' of the rebrand because the KNOW the consequences of Tan not becoming involved when he did

For SOME that wouldn't matter...but for MOST it would (including some prominent members of BU [/quote]

The rolling eyes was because he said 600 out of a crowd of 27k, any home game you go to there is a lot more than 600 wearing Blue

delighted it went well for the lads and lasses last night.i think BU are on to something here.godbless sian .as a non ccfc i really cannot see why any ccfc would not join and push for a return to blue.it,s not anti tan it,s pro blue.if tan decides to leave because he don,t like a sea of blue then im sure someone will come along now your premier league.far better to start this now than say march if you were cut adrift at the bottom and heading for the championship.if tan decides to bail out then the sooner the better.easier to sell when your still a viable prem club rather than one going down.that is if you do struggle of course.k.r.o

A march for all to see in a high profile game will defonitly piss tan off and give him reason to call it a day. Could end in disaster.

I wasnt having a go at Bluebirds Unite far from it I was just wondering what else had been planned bar just wearing blue. And as for mentioning the trust I simply thought that with working along side them you would have a more direct route to communicate with the club which is fans is what we need.

As I said I think BU could really work but just wanted to learn alot more about it as I missed the meeting.

A march for all to see in a high profile game will defonitly piss tan off and give him reason to call it a day. Could end in disaster.

Totally agree, within two pages different messages from BU, Carls constructive dialogue to a march of thousands.

By all means wear blue but why not just support the team CARDIFF CITY in what is going to be a huge season. We should be focusing in on making CCS a fortress, anti rebrand chanting will be negative.

A march for all to see in a high profile game will defonitly piss tan off and give him reason to call it a day. Could end in disaster.

I don't believe that would be the case; more a case of simply not having an effect on the man (VT) because he believes in his 'plan for the future' of Cardiff City FC

It doesn't make him anything except 'his own man' and to date (colour apart) it has been difficult to say he has not delivered, has it?

Bloody hell you cant win with some of you lot.

There were over 600 fans who turned up on a Tuesday night in a pub to show their Support for Bluebirds Unite,they had 300 for their first meeting 2 weeks ago.
In 10 days approx 5,500 sign a petition and in a month 2,400 aprox join the group and remember not everyone looks on this forum and fb. This group is growing rapidly and has an excellent Spokesperson/leader in Sian Branson who I am fully behind. They have already putting together a committee of about 20 fans who can give a lot of time and can help organise things for Bluebirds Unite.THey are now getting plenty of publicity.

Mistakes will be made along the way, but they will be corrected. The aim of the group is to keep our identity alive and keep the Club aware that We want it back, we have no intentions of hurting our club. The Group stands for one thing only restoring Cardiff City's identity/Colour and reminding everyone about it and at the same time it is making a lot of fans proud again who are involved in it and that includes myself.

No Bluebirds Unite will not be joining the Trust, the Trust is welcome to Support Bluebirds Unite and its aims. Bluebirds Unite welcomes all City fans who want our Identity back and are willing to show that by wearing the Blue at home and away games and not endorsing the Red by buying it and wearing it. There will be no belittling of other fans, all we want is Cardiff City to be Blue again and our fans to wear it with Pride.

Yes a march will be organised and I will anticipate that 3,000- 4,000 will join it,a big high profile game will be chosen, so the World will see it on TV. I would like more, but who knows.
Why dont you all give this group a chance, they have harmed no one, they just believe like myself that Cardiff City should be BLUE. Thats All I have ever known and that to me is Our Identity. BLUEBIRDS.

I cant be bothered having arguments/debates about it, your either with us or not, My stance has never changed, I am BLUE end Off and I want my club have to its True Identity returned, the one I have only ever known.
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I agree with what you are saying but as long as that is all it's about, It's just when you see a picture in the local paper with a flag in it that says "against modern football", and it was in their 1st march I don't agree with that. The Premiership is wear I thought most Cardiff City fans wanted to be but the premiership is modern football"get, "I would like to join but until it's just about the Blue I will hold off

Quote (from Pontyclun Blue): "I cant be bothered having arguments/debates about it, your either with us or not"

And in one single statement lies one of the biggest problems; entrenchment!

And that can be aimed at both sides TBH

Classic replies.

Remember when Tan said he would leave is in good hands if he decided to leave? And so what if he did leave, you only have to look at what we got and someone would bite Tans hands off. PL club, own stadium with option to increase, top class facilities at the the vale, again with options to increase there.

Yes wer still in debt but with the money gained from being a PL is a nice cushion.

The other argument is effecting the team if there is a protest/march. Now I'm not a professional player, Iv played at welsh league level and if someone on the side of the pitch was even barley calling me every name under the sun, I wouldn't give a toss, so if a couple thousand fans wanted to protest about something that is important to the history and traditions of the club isn't going to effect anyone apart from the board.

Bloody hell you cant win with some of you lot.

There were over 600 fans who turned up on a Tuesday night in a pub to show their Support for Bluebirds Unite,they had 300 for their first meeting 2 weeks ago.
In 10 days approx 5,500 sign a petition and in a month 2,400 aprox join the group and remember not everyone looks on this forum and fb. This group is growing rapidly and has an excellent Spokesperson/leader in Sian Branson who I am fully behind. They have already putting together a committee of about 20 fans who can give a lot of time and can help organise things for Bluebirds Unite.THey are now getting plenty of publicity.

Mistakes will be made along the way, but they will be corrected. The aim of the group is to keep our identity alive and keep the Club aware that We want it back, we have no intentions of hurting our club. The Group stands for one thing only restoring Cardiff City's identity/Colour and reminding everyone about it and at the same time it is making a lot of fans proud again who are involved in it and that includes myself.

No Bluebirds Unite will not be joining the Trust, the Trust is welcome to Support Bluebirds Unite and its aims. Bluebirds Unite welcomes all City fans who want our Identity back and are willing to show that by wearing the Blue at home and away games and not endorsing the Red by buying it and wearing it. There will be no belittling of other fans, all we want is Cardiff City to be Blue again and our fans to wear it with Pride.

Yes a march will be organised and I will anticipate that 3,000- 4,000 will join it,a big high profile game will be chosen, so the World will see it on TV. I would like more, but who knows.
Why dont you all give this group a chance, they have harmed no one, they just believe like myself that Cardiff City should be BLUE. Thats All I have ever known and that to me is Our Identity. BLUEBIRDS.

I cant be bothered having arguments/debates about it, your either with us or not, My stance has never changed, I am BLUE end Off and I want my club have to its True Identity returned, the one I have only ever known.
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I agree with what you are saying but as long as that is all it's about, It's just when you see a picture in the local paper with a flag in it that says "against modern football", and it was in their 1st march I don't agree with that. The Premiership is wear I thought most Cardiff City fans wanted to be but the premiership is modern football"get, "I would like to join but until it's just about the Blue I will hold off

Quote (from Pontyclun Blue): "I cant be bothered having arguments/debates about it, your either with us or not"

And in one single statement lies one of the biggest problems; entrenchment!

And that can be aimed at both sides TBH

Mate before you have a go at me, read the post properly Annis said those quotes NOT ME

Bloody hell you cant win with some of you lot.

There were over 600 fans who turned up on a Tuesday night in a pub to show their Support for Bluebirds Unite,they had 300 for their first meeting 2 weeks ago.
In 10 days approx 5,500 sign a petition and in a month 2,400 aprox join the group and remember not everyone looks on this forum and fb. This group is growing rapidly and has an excellent Spokesperson/leader in Sian Branson who I am fully behind. They have already putting together a committee of about 20 fans who can give a lot of time and can help organise things for Bluebirds Unite.THey are now getting plenty of publicity.

Mistakes will be made along the way, but they will be corrected. The aim of the group is to keep our identity alive and keep the Club aware that We want it back, we have no intentions of hurting our club. The Group stands for one thing only restoring Cardiff City's identity/Colour and reminding everyone about it and at the same time it is making a lot of fans proud again who are involved in it and that includes myself.

No Bluebirds Unite will not be joining the Trust, the Trust is welcome to Support Bluebirds Unite and its aims. Bluebirds Unite welcomes all City fans who want our Identity back and are willing to show that by wearing the Blue at home and away games and not endorsing the Red by buying it and wearing it. There will be no belittling of other fans, all we want is Cardiff City to be Blue again and our fans to wear it with Pride.

Yes a march will be organised and I will anticipate that 3,000- 4,000 will join it,a big high profile game will be chosen, so the World will see it on TV. I would like more, but who knows.
Why dont you all give this group a chance, they have harmed no one, they just believe like myself that Cardiff City should be BLUE. Thats All I have ever known and that to me is Our Identity. BLUEBIRDS.

I cant be bothered having arguments/debates about it, your either with us or not, My stance has never changed, I am BLUE end Off and I want my club have to its True Identity returned, the one I have only ever known.
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I agree with what you are saying but as long as that is all it's about, It's just when you see a picture in the local paper with a flag in it that says "against modern football", and it was in their 1st march I don't agree with that. The Premiership is wear I thought most Cardiff City fans wanted to be but the premiership is modern football"get, "I would like to join but until it's just about the Blue I will hold off

Quote (from Pontyclun Blue): "I cant be bothered having arguments/debates about it, your either with us or not"

And in one single statement lies one of the biggest problems; entrenchment!

And that can be aimed at both sides TBH

Mate before you have a go at me, read the post properly Annis said those quotes NOT ME

Your right I did post those words, yes your either with us or your not regarding this group, I should not have to beg or persuade you, you make your own minds up. I want our identity back so I am fully supporting Bluebirds Unite, quite simple really. I dont sit on the fence, I say what I really feel.

A march for all to see in a high profile game will defonitly piss tan off and give him reason to call it a day. Could end in disaster.

"If I leave, I would leave the club in good hands."

Or don't you believe him?

Classic replies.

Remember when Tan said he would leave is in good hands if he decided to leave? And so what if he did leave, you only have to look at what we got and someone would bite Tans hands off. PL club, own stadium with option to increase, top class facilities at the the vale, again with options to increase there.

Yes wer still in debt but with the money gained from being a PL is a nice cushion.

The other argument is effecting the team if there is a protest/march. Now I'm not a professional player, Iv played at welsh league level and if someone on the side of the pitch was even barley calling me every name under the sun, I wouldn't give a toss, so if a couple thousand fans wanted to protest about something that is important to the history and traditions of the club isn't going to effect anyone apart from the board.

But you keep missing the point; people a LOT closer to home than Tan had the SAME opportunity as him to 'invest' and they hung us out to dry...FACT!

Bloody hell you cant win with some of you lot.

There were over 600 fans who turned up on a Tuesday night in a pub to show their Support for Bluebirds Unite,they had 300 for their first meeting 2 weeks ago.
In 10 days approx 5,500 sign a petition and in a month 2,400 aprox join the group and remember not everyone looks on this forum and fb. This group is growing rapidly and has an excellent Spokesperson/leader in Sian Branson who I am fully behind. They have already putting together a committee of about 20 fans who can give a lot of time and can help organise things for Bluebirds Unite.THey are now getting plenty of publicity.

Mistakes will be made along the way, but they will be corrected. The aim of the group is to keep our identity alive and keep the Club aware that We want it back, we have no intentions of hurting our club. The Group stands for one thing only restoring Cardiff City's identity/Colour and reminding everyone about it and at the same time it is making a lot of fans proud again who are involved in it and that includes myself.

No Bluebirds Unite will not be joining the Trust, the Trust is welcome to Support Bluebirds Unite and its aims. Bluebirds Unite welcomes all City fans who want our Identity back and are willing to show that by wearing the Blue at home and away games and not endorsing the Red by buying it and wearing it. There will be no belittling of other fans, all we want is Cardiff City to be Blue again and our fans to wear it with Pride.

Yes a march will be organised and I will anticipate that 3,000- 4,000 will join it,a big high profile game will be chosen, so the World will see it on TV. I would like more, but who knows.
Why dont you all give this group a chance, they have harmed no one, they just believe like myself that Cardiff City should be BLUE. Thats All I have ever known and that to me is Our Identity. BLUEBIRDS.

I cant be bothered having arguments/debates about it, your either with us or not, My stance has never changed, I am BLUE end Off and I want my club have to its True Identity returned, the one I have only ever known.
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I agree with what you are saying but as long as that is all it's about, It's just when you see a picture in the local paper with a flag in it that says "against modern football", and it was in their 1st march I don't agree with that. The Premiership is wear I thought most Cardiff City fans wanted to be but the premiership is modern football"get, "I would like to join but until it's just about the Blue I will hold off

Quote (from Pontyclun Blue): "I cant be bothered having arguments/debates about it, your either with us or not"

And in one single statement lies one of the biggest problems; entrenchment!

And that can be aimed at both sides TBH

Mate before you have a go at me, read the post properly Annis said those quotes NOT ME

Your right I did post those words, yes your either with us or your not regarding this group, I should not have to beg or persuade you, you make your own minds up. I want our identity back so I am fully supporting Bluebirds Unite, quite simple really. I dont sit on the fence, I say what I really feel.

Annis, I apologise to 'Pontyclun Blue' and I repeat earlier comments that I am all for a return to blue and I have clearly stated that I wish Bluebirds United all the very best...

I am all too aware you don't sit on the fence ( ) and I wouldn't have it any other way, as I like it when I know where I stand with people

However, I did find that comment a little disconcerting. It shouldn't ever become 'us and them' as we are all here for the same purpose, i.e. to support Cardiff City Football Club

How we go about that and how we feel about the peripherals should NEVER cloud over our unification of support for the club and players where it matters; on the field. That is paramount and often (maybe particularly in the close season) we often allow that to be overridden

Debate is ALWAYS good and should be encouraged, so long as those involved have a certain respect for the other persons views and are able to act/write with dignity (something I feel you do well)

Of course, there are always one or two exceptions (as I have pointed out to them on occasion!)

Waste of time. Tan dont care. He'll do what he wants. If you're going to try and force him out and take the consequences then fair enough, at least you're honest. It seems Bluebirds Unite want Tan to stay and see sense and turn us back to blue.

More chance of our emblem becoming a unicorn, God granting us £100bn in financial backing and Saddam Hussein becoming our next manager.

Tans sense isn't the same as Bluebirds Unite sense. There's the major conflict. One has to go. Simple as that. There is no coalition option of working together for all as the views are too wide apart.

Bloody hell you cant win with some of you lot.

There were over 600 fans who turned up on a Tuesday night in a pub to show their Support for Bluebirds Unite,they had 300 for their first meeting 2 weeks ago.
In 10 days approx 5,500 sign a petition and in a month 2,400 aprox join the group and remember not everyone looks on this forum and fb. This group is growing rapidly and has an excellent Spokesperson/leader in Sian Branson who I am fully behind. They have already putting together a committee of about 20 fans who can give a lot of time and can help organise things for Bluebirds Unite.THey are now getting plenty of publicity.

Mistakes will be made along the way, but they will be corrected. The aim of the group is to keep our identity alive and keep the Club aware that We want it back, we have no intentions of hurting our club. The Group stands for one thing only restoring Cardiff City's identity/Colour and reminding everyone about it and at the same time it is making a lot of fans proud again who are involved in it and that includes myself.

No Bluebirds Unite will not be joining the Trust, the Trust is welcome to Support Bluebirds Unite and its aims. Bluebirds Unite welcomes all City fans who want our Identity back and are willing to show that by wearing the Blue at home and away games and not endorsing the Red by buying it and wearing it. There will be no belittling of other fans, all we want is Cardiff City to be Blue again and our fans to wear it with Pride.

Yes a march will be organised and I will anticipate that 3,000- 4,000 will join it,a big high profile game will be chosen, so the World will see it on TV. I would like more, but who knows.
Why dont you all give this group a chance, they have harmed no one, they just believe like myself that Cardiff City should be BLUE. Thats All I have ever known and that to me is Our Identity. BLUEBIRDS.

I cant be bothered having arguments/debates about it, your either with us or not, My stance has never changed, I am BLUE end Off and I want my club have to its True Identity returned, the one I have only ever known.
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I agree with what you are saying but as long as that is all it's about, It's just when you see a picture in the local paper with a flag in it that says "against modern football", and it was in their 1st march I don't agree with that. The Premiership is wear I thought most Cardiff City fans wanted to be but the premiership is modern football"get, "I would like to join but until it's just about the Blue I will hold off

Quote (from Pontyclun Blue): "I cant be bothered having arguments/debates about it, your either with us or not"

And in one single statement lies one of the biggest problems; entrenchment!

And that can be aimed at both sides TBH

Mate before you have a go at me, read the post properly Annis said those quotes NOT ME

Your right I did post those words, yes your either with us or your not regarding this group, I should not have to beg or persuade you, you make your own minds up. I want our identity back so I am fully supporting Bluebirds Unite, quite simple really. I dont sit on the fence, I say what I really feel.

Annis, I apologise to 'Pontyclun Blue' and I repeat earlier comments that I am all for a return to blue and I have clearly stated that I wish Bluebirds United all the very best...

I am all too aware you don't sit on the fence ( ) and I wouldn't have it any other way, as I like it when I know where I stand with people

However, I did find that comment a little disconcerting. It shouldn't ever become 'us and them' as we are all here for the same purpose, i.e. to support Cardiff City Football Club

How we go about that and how we feel about the peripherals should NEVER cloud over our unification of support for the club and players where it matters; on the field. That is paramount and often (maybe particularly in the close season) we often allow that to be overridden

Debate is ALWAYS good and should be encouraged, so long as those involved have a certain respect for the other persons views and are able to act/write with dignity (something I feel you do well)

Of course, there are always one or two exceptions (as I have pointed out to them on occasion!)

Chris, Of course i enjoy a good debate, what I am saying is some fans are slating Bluebirds Unite yet they havent even given them a chance. Everyone keeps saying thy would rather be Blue, if so then surely end of subject wear the Blue, no one is making them wear Red are they?
Why are fans having a go at Bluebirds Unite for supporting the BLUE and getting fans to wear our True Identity. When that happens I cant be bothered debating it.

Annis, I apologise to 'Pontyclun Blue' and I repeat earlier comments that I am all for a return to blue and I have clearly stated that I wish Bluebirds United all the very best...

I am all too aware you don't sit on the fence ( ) and I wouldn't have it any other way, as I like it when I know where I stand with people

However, I did find that comment a little disconcerting. It shouldn't ever become 'us and them' as we are all here for the same purpose, i.e. to support Cardiff City Football Club

How we go about that and how we feel about the peripherals should NEVER cloud over our unification of support for the club and players where it matters; on the field. That is paramount and often (maybe particularly in the close season) we often allow that to be overridden

Debate is ALWAYS good and should be encouraged, so long as those involved have a certain respect for the other persons views and are able to act/write with dignity (something I feel you do well)

Of course, there are always one or two exceptions (as I have pointed out to them on occasion!) [/quote]




Thanks, Annis

I agree that there are those who don't want to gibe BU a chance and that is a shame

You are aware that I wish BU all the best and that I wear 'the blue' at games (refusing to take the red scarf when the feeding frenzy was going on ) but that I also don't want to 'diss' what Tan has down overall; a point I know you have sympathy with, as you are all too aware of where we were not so long ago

I think we can agree that if it wasn't for the 'colour' issue we would be the happiest supporters in the land right now

We're not against modern football yet were pictured with a banner with that statement, we won't harm the club but we are organising a march on a high profile game, we want recognition but we are are against the club. And then you wonder why majority of fans suspect your intensions.

We're not against modern football yet were pictured with a banner with that statement, we won't harm the club but we are organising a march on a high profile game, we want recognition but we are are against the club. And then you wonder why majority of fans suspect your intensions.

It has been said many times that the "against modern football" statement has been dropped since 'Blue Sunday', the small flag which included "against modern football" in small writing brought to the meeting by 1 person doesn't represent the whole group. How will organizing a march against the rebrand harm the club? We're not against the club, we're against the rebrand.

Waste of time. Tan dont care. He'll do what he wants. If you're going to try and force him out and take the consequences then fair enough, at least you're honest. It seems Bluebirds Unite want Tan to stay and see sense and turn us back to blue.

More chance of our emblem becoming a unicorn, God granting us £100bn in financial backing and Saddam Hussein becoming our next manager.

Tans sense isn't the same as Bluebirds Unite sense. There's the major conflict. One has to go. Simple as that. There is no coalition option of working together for all as the views are too wide apart.

They aren't mutually exclusive.

We're not against modern football yet were pictured with a banner with that statement, we won't harm the club but we are organising a march on a high profile game, we want recognition but we are are against the club. And then you wonder why majority of fans suspect your intensions.

It has been said many times that the "against modern football" statement has been dropped since 'Blue Sunday', the small flag which included "against modern football" in small writing brought to the meeting by 1 person doesn't represent the whole group. How will organizing a march against the rebrand harm the club? We're not against the club, we're against the rebrand.

Jon, the problem is how other people might 'perceive' it and simply being 'associated' with that flag does damage. Best the organisers ensure that it is kept safely away for future events as it has NO place in the BU forum

PS: We know you are not against the club, fella

They aren't mutually exclusive.

There's Tans vision and then our vision. 2 options.

Tans is based on his upbringing, Chinese influence and his cultural values. You offend Tan's vision then you offend his way of life and cultural values.

Cardiff fans vision is based on tradition. What they've seen, are used to and what the club stands for and identity. They, like Tan with his beliefs about his Chinese culture, know no different. They've grown up with that the norm.

Two completely different sets of values and no chance of compromise. If Tan had any interest in listening he'd have done it by now. Time to wake up pal.

We're not against modern football yet were pictured with a banner with that statement, we won't harm the club but we are organising a march on a high profile game, we want recognition but we are are against the club. And then you wonder why majority of fans suspect your intensions.

Steve, i'd just like to ask you 2 questions and this is not insinuating hostility, just clarity. I for one am happy to accept the rebrand for investment as long as Tan continues to stay true to his word on his pledge.

1) Do you believe Tan can ever be convinced to turn us back to blue at home?

2) Do you believe the only way of returning to blue is by forcing Tan out?

^ I'd like to point out I dont want that to happen as already stated and this is just hypothetical. Is he a man you believe can be convinced by the fans. I cant see it personally.