Blue in division 2 or red in top four pl?

That wasn't the original question though. Putting everything aside, then obviously blue. But unfortunately the two do not go hand in hand. So for now it's Red.

Same old tired shit from the same old tired people

I thought you were fecking off until August. Bye for now!

We got an owner now that knows how to run a business the sam fans were saying a year or so ago that oh we need
a man who knows football at the club malky cant do it on his own. tan got it spot on. tan has got the debt spot on.
tan has got the egg chasers spot on. tan has got HMRC spot on. tan has got us in the premiership spot on. but at what
cost? well in my eyes he has took a dump on the supporters. my way or the highway. but again hes got it spot on we
got loads of fans who are dead exited to watch Man U and Chelsea down the city this season thats who hes targeting.
these fans suport the idea of premier football and watching the big boys as much as they suport the City. red, green
pink>? they dont care cos its 'still cardiff city and we will be watching them play man utd next season' personaly i love
us bein in the premiership but hate the disrespect he shown us hate that no consultation took place hate that he don't
give a toss for our history. he said weve done f**k all. well so what. many thousands of us went though trips to carlisle
darlington gillingham grimbsy watched the team get stuffed, go up go down (usually down) and its wats put the club so
close to our hearts its why we so proud to be bluebirds. by being so disrespecful tan is saying "you bin watching them for
40 yr in the dungeons all over europe? so what. its my club now.i find it hard to beleive that any long time fan can just
say 'so what, its just a colour and the badge is just a badge'

Same old tired shit from the same old tired people

I thought you were fecking off until August. Bye for now!

I will be sleeping until August reading anymore of you and Barry Chuckles rebrand posts

Blue in league 2. Are you serious. Can't for one minute think why people want to play in the dungeons of league 2. What an idiotic notion. Just to wear a blue top. Absolutely moronicly stupid. Hmmmmmmm!

I can't think for one minute why people would actively want to see us in the wrong colours, just to see us play premiership football. Absolutely moronically stupid.

But yet you go and watch th games when we play in red? ACTIVELY going to see the club in the "wrong colours"

Absolutely moronically stupid.

We got an owner now that knows how to run a business the sam fans were saying a year or so ago that oh we need
a man who knows football at the club malky cant do it on his own. tan got it spot on. tan has got the debt spot on.
tan has got the egg chasers spot on. tan has got HMRC spot on. tan has got us in the premiership spot on. but at what
cost? well in my eyes he has took a dump on the supporters. my way or the highway. but again hes got it spot on we
got loads of fans who are dead exited to watch Man U and Chelsea down the city this season thats who hes targeting.
these fans suport the idea of premier football and watching the big boys as much as they suport the City. red, green
pink>? they dont care cos its 'still cardiff city and we will be watching them play man utd next season' personaly i love
us bein in the premiership but hate the disrespect he shown us hate that no consultation took place hate that he don't
give a toss for our history. he said weve done f**k all. well so what. many thousands of us went though trips to carlisle
darlington gillingham grimbsy watched the team get stuffed, go up go down (usually down) and its wats put the club so
close to our hearts its why we so proud to be bluebirds. by being so disrespecful tan is saying "you bin watching them for
40 yr in the dungeons all over europe? so what. its my club now.i find it hard to beleive that any long time fan can just
say 'so what, its just a colour and the badge is just a badge'

Yes so we are told that Tan knows how to run a business.

Well if running a business losing £1.2 million a month is acceptable then even I could do that. For our business to work under the Tan model we needed to get to the premier. Tan NEEDED the premier more than we wanted it for his model to work. I really wish some people could see that.

Back to the question, blue in league 2 for me without a doubt.

Ive not traded anything! Still says Cardiff city above the door. I'm pro Cardiff! Get over yourselves and support the club in whatever guise or division they are in.

I do. Doesn't mean I don't want to see the club I support in the correct colours though. It's all about opinions. Just understand and accept that others see it differently to you.

I agree with what you say here, that its about opinions and that we should understand and accept others. Yet in another post you state:

"I can't think for one minute why people would actively want to see us in the wrong colours, just to see us play premiership football. Absolutely moronically stupid".

So what part of your comment here shows understanding and acceptance?

If you actually read, it was the direct opposite of what was posted by another member. Just to show that there are differing opinions.

That wasn't the original question though. Putting everything aside, then obviously blue. But unfortunately the two do not go hand in hand. So for now it's Red.

So you feel the same as others. We all want blue back, it's just that some of us are willing to fight for it and some are not. If you are not then that is clearly up to you, no one is making you do anything, carry on as you were, support the team and enjoy "the prem".
Some of us will continue to fight for what we believe is right. You can join us if you like, or not. The choice is yours. No real need to come onto a Cardiff City forum and slag of your fellow fans because their point of view is different to yours.

Blue in league two every time

Blue in league 2. Are you serious. Can't for one minute think why people want to play in the dungeons of league 2. What an idiotic notion. Just to wear a blue top. Absolutely moronicly stupid. Hmmmmmmm!

I can't think for one minute why people would actively want to see us in the wrong colours, just to see us play premiership football. Absolutely moronically stupid.

But yet you go and watch th games when we play in red? ACTIVELY going to see the club in the "wrong colours"

Absolutely moronically stupid.

Not at all. I go and support my team, regardless of disagreeing with decisions made by the owner. Although I do like how you twist my words..

I said actively "want", not actively "see".

Average effort.

Firstly, despite the opening gambit, this is a rebrand thread by default

Let's be perfectly honest here, it is a non-question, as (a) it is always easy to gob off (from either side of the fence) when one or both of the events are highly unlikely, and (b) when an estimated 60% (we were lucky to get 11,000 before the current climb up the tables) of those who attended last year would jump OFF faster than a 'Jack' can run up Sloper Road (and that's fast!)

Anyone who seriously wants us to play in Division Two rather than in the Premier League misses the whole point of being a 'professional' football club and would be better off staying away from the CCS if they feel they cannot get behind the club and its ambitions

It's not rocket science, people. Supporting Cardiff City FC should be in your blood and you should want the best for them in all aspects; success on the field, progression and financial security. At the moment we have all three, so why would anyone realistically want us to go play in the lower leagues again. Simply doesn't make sense

Vincent Tan (and I am simply pointing out the FACTS) has steered this club away from the brink and developed a far more professional outfit who have cleared the final hurdle, at the umpteenth attempt, that sees them cross the line that is membership of the Premier League

He has sorted out the 'immediate' debt (HMRC et al), got rid of the egg-chasers, PMG, etc. and he appears (happy days ) to have come to some sort of handshake with Sam on the Langston debacle; clearing the way for the much discussed 'debt to equity' transfer that will make us debt-free in line with new UEFA and Premier League Rules

Every month that goes by, Tan 'ticks off' another of his promises/commitments to Cardiff City FC, so most of you are beginning to run out of reasons to 'have a pop' at him WITH ANY REAL JUSTIFICATION (other than the Red/Blue thing, of course)

I have heard some say (quote) "Tan doesn't know what he's doing" or "He's ruined the club" or "Changing to Red won't make an iota of difference to how he attracts finances from the Far Eastern Markets"

None of those are true, of course. Far from it TBH. Anyone who can be arsed to read up on Vincent tan and his rise to riches in the business world will soon realise that here we have a man who certainly CAN and DOES read the markets very well indeed

We are, in the main, lucky to have him on board and he is the type of savvy rich benefactor we (and other clubs) have only dreamed of coming to our club

Now he (Tan) is here some (certainly not all and certainly not as many as it would sometimes appear) just want to find fault and destabilise the whole business in order to drive the guy away!

Why would anyone set out to do that? It doesn't make sense, does it?

Tan may have changed the colour of the shirt and that isn't going to change anytime during his tenure because he believes in what he is doing. But that is not to say that it won't get changed in the future. As someone else on here said, it would give the incumbent person incredible 'kudos' to move back to blue

We live in hope

In reality, this club has never been in a better position than it is now and (no matter how reluctantly it is accepted by the few) that is down to Tan's involvement/investment

I dare say one or two will call me a 'Tanite' and to some extent that is true, as I know that he has turned our club around and put us in the Premier League (albeit at some cost with the shirt colour issue)out' whilst 'sorting out the club from top to bottom whilst providing us with a future we almost didn't have. But to call me anti-blue is as wide of the mark as an Alan Tate volley

I may be missing something here (although I don't think so ) but my dream has always been for my team to sit at the top table and it has finally happened. Not a ALL costs but at SOME costs and for now at least, the benefits far outweigh the costs

Red in the prem without a doubt its a no brainer people surely want to support a successful club.

Red in the prem without a doubt its a no brainer people surely want to support a successful club.

Why else would you go, eh?

Ive not traded anything! Still says Cardiff city above the door. I'm pro Cardiff! Get over yourselves and support the club in whatever guise or division they are in.

I do. Doesn't mean I don't want to see the club I support in the correct colours though. It's all about opinions. Just understand and accept that others see it differently to you.

I agree with what you say here, that its about opinions and that we should understand and accept others. Yet in another post you state:

"I can't think for one minute why people would actively want to see us in the wrong colours, just to see us play premiership football. Absolutely moronically stupid".

So what part of your comment here shows understanding and acceptance?

If you actually read, it was the direct opposite of what was posted by another member. Just to show that there are differing opinions.

It's still your post and doesn't align to your preaching about acceptance and understanding. Or can you turn these sentiments on and off when it suits? Two wrongs make a right?

Firstly, despite the opening gambit, this is a rebrand thread by default

Let's be perfectly honest here, it is a non-question, as (a) it is always easy to gob off (from either side of the fence) when one or both of the events are highly unlikely, and (b) when an estimated 60% (we were lucky to get 11,000 before the current climb up the tables) of those who attended last year would jump OFF faster than a 'Jack' can run up Sloper Road (and that's fast!)

Anyone who seriously wants us to play in Division Two rather than in the Premier League misses the whole point of being a 'professional' football club and would be better off staying away from the CCS if they feel they cannot get behind the club and its ambitions

It's not rocket science, people. Supporting Cardiff City FC should be in your blood and you should want the best for them in all aspects; success on the field, progression and financial security. At the moment we have all three, so why would anyone realistically want us to go play in the lower leagues again. Simply doesn't make sense

Vincent Tan (and I am simply pointing out the FACTS) has steered this club away from the brink and developed a far more professional outfit who have cleared the final hurdle, at the umpteenth attempt, that sees them cross the line that is membership of the Premier League

He has sorted out the 'immediate' debt (HMRC et al), got rid of the egg-chasers, PMG, etc. and he appears (happy days ) to have come to some sort of handshake with Sam on the Langston debacle; clearing the way for the much discussed 'debt to equity' transfer that will make us debt-free in line with new UEFA and Premier League Rules

Every month that goes by, Tan 'ticks off' another of his promises/commitments to Cardiff City FC, so most of you are beginning to run out of reasons to 'have a pop' at him WITH ANY REAL JUSTIFICATION (other than the Red/Blue thing, of course)

I have heard some say (quote) "Tan doesn't know what he's doing" or "He's ruined the club" or "Changing to Red won't make an iota of difference to how he attracts finances from the Far Eastern Markets"

None of those are true, of course. Far from it TBH. Anyone who can be arsed to read up on Vincent tan and his rise to riches in the business world will soon realise that here we have a man who certainly CAN and DOES read the markets very well indeed

We are, in the main, lucky to have him on board and he is the type of savvy rich benefactor we (and other clubs) have only dreamed of coming to our club

Now he (Tan) is here some (certainly not all and certainly not as many as it would sometimes appear) just want to find fault and destabilise the whole business in order to drive the guy away!

Why would anyone set out to do that? It doesn't make sense, does it?

Tan may have changed the colour of the shirt and that isn't going to change anytime during his tenure because he believes in what he is doing. But that is not to say that it won't get changed in the future. As someone else on here said, it would give the incumbent person incredible 'kudos' to move back to blue

We live in hope

In reality, this club has never been in a better position than it is now and (no matter how reluctantly it is accepted by the few) that is down to Tan's involvement/investment

I dare say one or two will call me a 'Tanite' and to some extent that is true, as I know that he has turned our club around and put us in the Premier League (albeit at some cost with the shirt colour issue)out' whilst 'sorting out the club from top to bottom whilst providing us with a future we almost didn't have. But to call me anti-blue is as wide of the mark as an Alan Tate volley

I may be missing something here (although I don't think so ) but my dream has always been for my team to sit at the top table and it has finally happened. Not a ALL costs but at SOME costs and for now at least, the benefits far outweigh the costs

Of course no one wantsus in League Two!! The opening question has been asked many times over the last year or so and it's still a ridiculous one. There is or never has been a choice of "Blue = Failure or Red = Success". The answer for everyone would be Blue in the Premier League. The question should be

What more important to you - A. Identity or B. Possible success (by no means guaranteed).

Tan was never going to walk away last year, that much is now clear. I can understand those that were concerned at the time and thought he was, Tan played us fans like a fiddle and there's no shame in admitting you were taken in by it, I count myself as one of those that were. But now we are in the top flight, things have changed. There is no longer any need to tow the line.

Red in the prem without a doubt its a no brainer people surely want to support a successful club.

Why else would you go, eh?

Ha ha ha

If we were in div 2 most on here would be moaning about how shit the football is and crowds would be back to 3-4k. How many of these "blue in div 2" would actually go?

Ideally I want to be blue and believe one day we will be, but with the club in a strong and healthy position

If we were in div 2 most on here would be moaning about how shit the football is and crowds would be back to 3-4k. How many of these "blue in div 2" would actually go?

Ideally I want to be blue and believe one day we will be, but with the club in a strong and healthy position

How do you think that would happen? The longer we remain in red, the smaller the chances that we will return to blue. My ideal would be that Tan sees sense and turns us back to blue. To be quite frank, I cannot see that ever happening until there is a big protest against it. Even then, it's doubtful. I won't ever stop giving my views and thoughts that the club SHOULD be in blue, but will continue to support the team regardless.

I've seen Cardiff in League 2 (Divison 3/Divison 4 depending on your era ) in blue before & would definitely be there again. I don't think we would have fallen to league 2 had we rejected the rebrand.. But that's just my personal thoughts.

Obviously, I cannot wait to see my club in the top flight, very excited about it. Can't deny that it's tinged with a bit of sadness that it's in this "rebranded" Cardiff City red, rather than the correct colour of blue.

If we were in div 2 most on here would be moaning about how shit the football is and crowds would be back to 3-4k. How many of these "blue in div 2" would actually go?

Ideally I want to be blue and believe one day we will be, but with the club in a strong and healthy position

How do you think that would happen? The longer we remain in red, the smaller the chances that we will return to blue. My ideal would be that Tan sees sense and turns us back to blue. To be quite frank, I cannot see that ever happening until there is a big protest against it. Even then, it's doubtful. I won't ever stop giving my views and thoughts that the club SHOULD be in blue, but will continue to support the team regardless.

I've seen Cardiff in League 2 (Divison 3/Divison 4 depending on your era ) in blue before & would definitely be there again. I don't think we would have fallen to league 2 had we rejected the rebrand.. But that's just my personal thoughts.

Obviously, I cannot wait to see my club in the top flight, very excited about it. Can't deny that it's tinged with a bit of sadness that it's in this "rebranded" Cardiff City red, rather than the correct colour of blue.

As a business man first and foremost VT will get out when the time is right, hopefully once we've consolidated in the PL for a few years. What better way for a new owner to get the fans on board than to poll what our preferred colour would be. I think blue would win the day. I think it would take a generation of red for this to be preferred over blue and I honestly don't think VT will be around for more than 3 more years, probably less if we get relegated.

Blue

If we were in div 2 most on here would be moaning about how shit the football is and crowds would be back to 3-4k. How many of these "blue in div 2" would actually go?

Ideally I want to be blue and believe one day we will be, but with the club in a strong and healthy position

How do you think that would happen? The longer we remain in red, the smaller the chances that we will return to blue. My ideal would be that Tan sees sense and turns us back to blue. To be quite frank, I cannot see that ever happening until there is a big protest against it. Even then, it's doubtful. I won't ever stop giving my views and thoughts that the club SHOULD be in blue, but will continue to support the team regardless.

I've seen Cardiff in League 2 (Divison 3/Divison 4 depending on your era ) in blue before & would definitely be there again. I don't think we would have fallen to league 2 had we rejected the rebrand.. But that's just my personal thoughts.

Obviously, I cannot wait to see my club in the top flight, very excited about it. Can't deny that it's tinged with a bit of sadness that it's in this "rebranded" Cardiff City red, rather than the correct colour of blue.

Precisely

Quote (Harold Pinta): "Tan was never going to walk away last year, that much is now clear. I can understand those that were concerned at the time and thought he was, Tan played us fans like a fiddle and there's no shame in admitting you were taken in by it, I count myself as one of those that were. But now we are in the top flight, things have changed. There is no longer any need to tow the line"

Of course he played us like a fiddle. That is why he has a £billion and we don't!

As for the 'no need to toe the line' comment? Well, that stinks of ingratitude for the 99% of good that Tan has done for the club that almost went bust

In reality, only a handful have had the courage of their convictions and 'walked away' until the blue is returned, eh?

The rest of us? Well, sounding off (whatever your views) anonymously on a Message Board is easy, isn't it?

The proof of the pudding would be how many stuck around if we went back to where we came and the simple answer is not too many...despite what they say!

Garanteed 90% of the blue div 2 brigade, won't be watching us? Another pointless post been here worn out tshirt twice past year

Garanteed 90% of the blue div 2 brigade, won't be watching us? Another pointless post been here worn out tshirt twice past year

The simple question was either red in the Premier League or blue in League Two (regardless of everything else), and the fact that some people put success (for what could be only one season) over tradition and identity says a lot about some people.

Red and prem for me.Can't understand those who would wish 3 years of misery on a club they are suppose to support.

Blue. Cannot fathom those who wish to prostitue our traditions & identities of a club they are suppose to support for short term gain.

I can't fathom why fans wouldn't want the best for the team they support. Football is all about 'short term gain' a season is 9 months long and you make the best you can of it.

We are not prostituting anything we are simply a business using its assets to the full. Grow up for God sake

The simple question was either red in the Premier League or blue in League Two (regardless of everything else), and the fact that some people put success (for what could be only one season) over tradition and identity says a lot about some people.

Nice throw away line but there is nothing wrong with wanting the best for your club?

See what your attitude says to me is that YOU put your own SELFISH preferences (playing in blue) before the good of our club.

Strangely I totally admit to wanting success over failure for Cardiff City, yea says a lot about me doesn't it

Red and prem for me.Can't understand those who would wish 3 years of misery on a club they are suppose to support.

Blue. Cannot fathom those who wish to prostitue our traditions & identities of a club they are suppose to support for short term gain.

I can't fathom why fans wouldn't want the best for the team they support. Football is all about 'short term gain' a season is 9 months long and you make the best you can of it.

We are not prostituting anything we are simply a business using its assets to the full. Grow up for God sake

I'd say changing colours for a cash injection is "prostituting" them, wouldn't you?

Although my post was rather in return to the post by sneggyredbird who questioned the "pro-blues" support of the club.

Although I must say, telling people to grow up because you don't share their opinion is rather child-like. Maybe you should look at "growing up" yourself?

The simple question was either red in the Premier League or blue in League Two (regardless of everything else), and the fact that some people put success (for what could be only one season) over tradition and identity says a lot about some people.

Nice throw away line but there is nothing wrong with wanting the best for your club?

See what your attitude says to me is that YOU put your own SELFISH preferences (playing in blue) before the good of our club.

Strangely I totally admit to wanting success over failure for Cardiff City, yea says a lot about me doesn't it

You could argue that, but I think it's even more selfish to put success infront of Cardiff City's traditions/identity.

We all want success, but I wouldn't throw away over 100 years of tradition and identity for what could be short term success unlike some.

So more financial reassurance thus keeping our club stable or back to winding up orders?