Fan's representation - The board going forward

In principal I think this is a very good idea and unless I'm wrong this board already has recognition from the Club as Carl attends regular meetings regarding away travel arrangements. Is it that big a step to ask the club for recognition as a fans representative body, I don't think so.

I understand concerns about voicing "All Opinions" but does anyone seriously believe that the Trust or Supporters Club actually represent the opinions of "All" of thier members. As some extreme opinions can be posted on this board I'm sure some fairly wild opinions can get expressed to both the Trust and Supporters Club.

Like both those organisations this forum would need to select people who can represent the reasonable views of the members and also raise questions on behalf on members who normally don't have the opportunity to ask.

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my original point is the trust and supporters club are affilated orginisations which people agree to join by paying a subscription on an annual basis.
For this board to go forward it would have to set up a similar organisation which could then affiliate itself to the club.
with regards to the travel club there are plenty of little splinter groups which attend those meetings as well including the rhonnda ugly bus

The Rhonnda Ugly Bus

Surely any affiliation between the club and both the Trust and Supporters club is an informal one. I'm pretty sure the club doesn't charge either organisation an affiliation fee it just recognises them as fans representative organisations.

I'm not sure this board would need to set up the "formal" constitution based powers of say the Trust as much would depend on the aims of the organisation. Although I accept that the club may well decide it only wants to recognise groups which have more formal status, like the Trust.

Either way I think this Bluebirds Unite group is going to be putting all of this to the test as they currently have a membership far in excess of the Trust, it will be interesting to see how the club decides to treat this organisation.

Why does this Message board have to have a say?

We have a supporters trust? if you are really interested and its not for individual power/popularity surely you would just join the trust?

this would make it like a power struggle within a power struggle

The trust has an elected board and the issues on their agenda are voted on. Could you really see that happen on here? It would be the same few people attending and pushing their own personal views.

Personally I dont think the club should speak with anybody bar the trust or have these self appointed "fans leaders"

Messageboards are just that and I have no idea why people think they should be more. They represent a very insignificant part of CCFC's overall fanbase. The only reason Walesonline mention the forum is they are lazy.

If people want a voice then the trust is the only viable option and all these splinter groups are ridiculous.

Why does this Message board have to have a say?

We have a supporters trust? if you are really interested and its not for individual power/popularity surely you would just join the trust?

this would make it like a power struggle within a power struggle

I think you will find theres only ONE way power at the club hence the idea but IMO any amount of fans rep idea will be looked down upon eitherway like the current trust people seem to believe in, what is it the trust even do that some of these mad people seem to pay for rite now? answers on a rizla skin please

The trust has an elected board and the issues on their agenda are voted on. Could you really see that happen on here? It would be the same few people attending and pushing their own personal views.

Personally I dont think the club should speak with anybody bar the trust or have these self appointed "fans leaders"

Messageboards are just that and I have no idea why people think they should be more. They represent a very insignificant part of CCFC's overall fanbase. The only reason Walesonline mention the forum is they are lazy.

If people want a voice then the trust is the only viable option and all these splinter groups are ridiculous.

do you include BU in your last sentence?

The trust has an elected board and the issues on their agenda are voted on. Could you really see that happen on here? It would be the same few people attending and pushing their own personal views.

Personally I dont think the club should speak with anybody bar the trust or have these self appointed "fans leaders"

Messageboards are just that and I have no idea why people think they should be more. They represent a very insignificant part of CCFC's overall fanbase. The only reason Walesonline mention the forum is they are lazy.

If people want a voice then the trust is the only viable option and all these splinter groups are ridiculous.

do you include BU in your last sentence?

It should do...and that would give it credibility

The trust has an elected board and the issues on their agenda are voted on. Could you really see that happen on here? It would be the same few people attending and pushing their own personal views.

Personally I dont think the club should speak with anybody bar the trust or have these self appointed "fans leaders"

Messageboards are just that and I have no idea why people think they should be more. They represent a very insignificant part of CCFC's overall fanbase. The only reason Walesonline mention the forum is they are lazy.

If people want a voice then the trust is the only viable option and all these splinter groups are ridiculous.

do you include BU in your last sentence?

What a silly reply BU has a one thing only aim getting blue back nothing more nothing less as where this threads about if a forum group was set up it would be many opinions on many topics put forward to the club for fans on whatever the issue was, how can you compare Bluebirds unite

The trust has an elected board and the issues on their agenda are voted on. Could you really see that happen on here? It would be the same few people attending and pushing their own personal views.

Personally I dont think the club should speak with anybody bar the trust or have these self appointed "fans leaders"

Messageboards are just that and I have no idea why people think they should be more. They represent a very insignificant part of CCFC's overall fanbase. The only reason Walesonline mention the forum is they are lazy.

If people want a voice then the trust is the only viable option and all these splinter groups are ridiculous.

do you include BU in your last sentence?

What a silly reply BU has a one thing only aim getting blue back nothing more nothing less as where this threads about if a forum group was set up it would be many opinions on many topics put forward to the club for fans on whatever the issue was, how can you compare Bluebirds unite

the question was directed at Craig not you.

The trust has an elected board and the issues on their agenda are voted on. Could you really see that happen on here? It would be the same few people attending and pushing their own personal views.

Personally I dont think the club should speak with anybody bar the trust or have these self appointed "fans leaders"

Messageboards are just that and I have no idea why people think they should be more. They represent a very insignificant part of CCFC's overall fanbase. The only reason Walesonline mention the forum is they are lazy.

If people want a voice then the trust is the only viable option and all these splinter groups are ridiculous.

do you include BU in your last sentence?

BU is focused on one issue and has nothing to do with liasing with the board on a wider range of issues. The club dont recognise them in any official capacity.

The trust has an elected board and the issues on their agenda are voted on. Could you really see that happen on here? It would be the same few people attending and pushing their own personal views.

Personally I dont think the club should speak with anybody bar the trust or have these self appointed "fans leaders"

Messageboards are just that and I have no idea why people think they should be more. They represent a very insignificant part of CCFC's overall fanbase. The only reason Walesonline mention the forum is they are lazy.

If people want a voice then the trust is the only viable option and all these splinter groups are ridiculous.

do you include BU in your last sentence?

BU is focused on one issue and has nothing to do with liasing with the board on a wider range of issues. The club dont recognise them in any official capacity.

fair point,thank you Craig.

The trust has an elected board and the issues on their agenda are voted on. Could you really see that happen on here? It would be the same few people attending and pushing their own personal views.

Personally I dont think the club should speak with anybody bar the trust or have these self appointed "fans leaders"

Messageboards are just that and I have no idea why people think they should be more. They represent a very insignificant part of CCFC's overall fanbase. The only reason Walesonline mention the forum is they are lazy.

If people want a voice then the trust is the only viable option and all these splinter groups are ridiculous.

do you include BU in your last sentence?

What a silly reply BU has a one thing only aim getting blue back nothing more nothing less as where this threads about if a forum group was set up it would be many opinions on many topics put forward to the club for fans on whatever the issue was, how can you compare Bluebirds unite

Would the 'blue' not be on the agenda of ANY group that was formed and 'listened to' by the club, mate?

The trust has an elected board and the issues on their agenda are voted on. Could you really see that happen on here? It would be the same few people attending and pushing their own personal views.

Personally I dont think the club should speak with anybody bar the trust or have these self appointed "fans leaders"

Messageboards are just that and I have no idea why people think they should be more. They represent a very insignificant part of CCFC's overall fanbase. The only reason Walesonline mention the forum is they are lazy.

If people want a voice then the trust is the only viable option and all these splinter groups are ridiculous.

do you include BU in your last sentence?

What a silly reply BU has a one thing only aim getting blue back nothing more nothing less as where this threads about if a forum group was set up it would be many opinions on many topics put forward to the club for fans on whatever the issue was, how can you compare Bluebirds unite

the question was directed at Craig not you.

He only copied my reply in other wording anyway not that theres any other way of saying what BU are trying to do

The trust has an elected board and the issues on their agenda are voted on. Could you really see that happen on here? It would be the same few people attending and pushing their own personal views.

Personally I dont think the club should speak with anybody bar the trust or have these self appointed "fans leaders"

Messageboards are just that and I have no idea why people think they should be more. They represent a very insignificant part of CCFC's overall fanbase. The only reason Walesonline mention the forum is they are lazy.

If people want a voice then the trust is the only viable option and all these splinter groups are ridiculous.

do you include BU in your last sentence?

What a silly reply BU has a one thing only aim getting blue back nothing more nothing less as where this threads about if a forum group was set up it would be many opinions on many topics put forward to the club for fans on whatever the issue was, how can you compare Bluebirds unite

the question was directed at Craig not you.

He only copied my reply in other wording anyway not that theres any other way of saying what BU are trying to do

i think Craig is capable of voicing his OWN opinions.

The trust has an elected board and the issues on their agenda are voted on. Could you really see that happen on here? It would be the same few people attending and pushing their own personal views.

Personally I dont think the club should speak with anybody bar the trust or have these self appointed "fans leaders"

Messageboards are just that and I have no idea why people think they should be more. They represent a very insignificant part of CCFC's overall fanbase. The only reason Walesonline mention the forum is they are lazy.

If people want a voice then the trust is the only viable option and all these splinter groups are ridiculous.

do you include BU in your last sentence?

What a silly reply BU has a one thing only aim getting blue back nothing more nothing less as where this threads about if a forum group was set up it would be many opinions on many topics put forward to the club for fans on whatever the issue was, how can you compare Bluebirds unite

the question was directed at Craig not you.

He only copied my reply in other wording anyway not that theres any other way of saying what BU are trying to do

i think Craig is capable of voicing his OWN opinions.

I would have thought anyone with half a brain would have not have asked the question you did but to know the answer already but im glad he helped you with the struggle of what BU is about and what its ONE aim is

77-insults make you look a fool,keep digging I'll tell you when to stop.

The trust has an elected board and the issues on their agenda are voted on. Could you really see that happen on here? It would be the same few people attending and pushing their own personal views.

Personally I dont think the club should speak with anybody bar the trust or have these self appointed "fans leaders"

Messageboards are just that and I have no idea why people think they should be more. They represent a very insignificant part of CCFC's overall fanbase. The only reason Walesonline mention the forum is they are lazy.

If people want a voice then the trust is the only viable option and all these splinter groups are ridiculous.

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Divided we Fall

77-insults make you look a fool,keep digging I'll tell you when to stop.

Wheres the insults, copy and paste personal insults off me directed at you and i will hold my hands up untill then keep up
I find it more insulting that nobody can tell me what the trust do for fans in this thread even more tbh

Rebrand aside why don't fans just get on with watching the football instead of needing to get their foot in the door at meetings etc. Want a voice JOIN THE TRUST

Forgive me if I got this wrong but, you say you joined the trust as it represents the fans and then counter that by suggesting a message board sets up a panel to represent the members of that message board. Correct me by all means but wouldn't it be better if you suggested more members of the M.B. like you, joined the trust. Why encourage the needless competition. Perhaps Mike's Board, The official Cardiff City Board, and the Red Board should have equal say after all each board have varying followings. If all did what you suggest it would still be representing fewer than 20% of our fans. Your suggestion would do now more the fuel ego's, are people that desperate to get their foot in the door.

I agree with you that it's about all issues not just the red.....but surely the way forward is to join nominate and vote candidates (like Carl) in at the Cardiff City Supporters Trust.

I have seen several good suggestions in this thread but if we (the fans/message board regulars) are serious about official representation then the only way it will happen is if we do the above.

Forgive me if I got this wrong but, you say you joined the trust as it represents the fans and then counter that by suggesting a message board sets up a panel to represent the members of that message board. Correct me by all means but wouldn't it be better if you suggested more members of the M.B. like you, joined the trust. Why encourage the needless competition. Perhaps Mike's Board, The official Cardiff City Board, and the Red Board should have equal say after all each board have varying followings. If all did what you suggest it would still be representing fewer than 20% of our fans. Your suggestion would do now more the fuel ego's, are people that desperate to get their foot in the door.

TBH anyone who steps up to the plate and puts themselves forward as a 'fans representative' is partially doing it to fuel their ego. I don't really have a problem with that as it goes with the territory.

That said I fully agree it doesn't make sense to have splinter groups and unfortunately we all know that Bluebirds Unite will go the same way as KCB.

So you are 100% right we should get behind the Supporters' Trust and if necessary put our own candidate up (As suggested Carl would be ideal) and lobby sensibly for a return to Blue. The solution is so dead raving obvious it almost smacks you in the face.

Forgive me if I got this wrong but, you say you joined the trust as it represents the fans and then counter that by suggesting a message board sets up a panel to represent the members of that message board. Correct me by all means but wouldn't it be better if you suggested more members of the M.B. like you, joined the trust. Why encourage the needless competition. Perhaps Mike's Board, The official Cardiff City Board, and the Red Board should have equal say after all each board have varying followings. If all did what you suggest it would still be representing fewer than 20% of our fans. Your suggestion would do now more the fuel ego's, are people that desperate to get their foot in the door.

TBH anyone who steps up to the plate and puts themselves forward as a 'fans representative' is partially doing it to fuel their ego. I don't really have a problem with that as it goes with the territory.

That said I fully agree it doesn't make sense to have splinter groups and unfortunately we all know that Bluebirds Unite will go the same way as KCB.

So you are 100% right we should get behind the Supporters' Trust and if necessary put our own candidate up (As suggested Carl would be ideal) and lobby sensibly for a return to Blue. The solution is so dead raving obvious it almost smacks you in the face.

I am surprised at You Tony saying that about Bluebirds Unite, No way will it fail like KCB, you havent given it a chance and thats not like you.
This is a totally different organisation, yes some of the KCB support it, but great everyone is welcome to Support BLUEBIRDS UNITE.

bluebirds unite have a meeting on tuesday to put its aims to its followers
To say it has only one aim ( to get our colour and badge back) is premature
For me the name says it all bluebirds unite
Yes its first priority will be the colour issue im sure, but who knows what other issues in the future wìll become priorities
Imo if this new group grows and does things in the right way it could be here for a very long time

bluebirds unite have a meeting on tuesday to put its aims to its followers
To say it has only one aim ( to get our colour and badge back) is premature
For me the name says it all bluebirds unite
Yes its first priority will be the colour issue im sure, but who knows what other issues in the future wìll become priorities
Imo if this new group grows and does things in the right way it could be here for a very long time

The Bluebirds Unite group is growing very quickly and as it grows it will also need to evolve if it is to have a longterm future as a fans representative group.

One of it's first priorities it to settle on exactly what it's aims are as the statement on the group facebook page is unclear on this point;



OFFICIAL BLUEBIRDS UNITE STATEMENT


BLUEBIRDS UNITE is a group for people who wish to fight for our clubs HISTORY, IDENTITY & PRIDE.
We want to play in the Premiership or any league for that matter as CARDIFF CITY BLUEBIRDS,

Not a genetically modified Malaysian Team.
We are grateful to VT for helping us achieve Premiership status, but we implore him to understand what OUR club means to us.
We want to see Cardiff City (Bluebirds) in the Premiership NOT the Premiership in Cardiff City!!!!

BLUEBIRDS UNITE – To us this means all Bluebirds United to fight for our club namely its 100+ years history that came before VT had ever heard of Cardiff.
We started as a local team and have risen through the ranks, the identity that took us that far deserves to be honoured and maintained.
Pride, Tradition, History – Identity ……….
I do not wish to enter into a debate over this but wanted to set in writing what the group is all about.
ANYBODY who does not like the way the rebrand is going please join us…..
Blooooooooooobirds

How many who have joined the group want us to be called Cardiff City Bluebirds, we are and always will be Cardiff City A.F.C - "The Bluebirds". I thought that all this "Against Modern Football" nonsense had been dropped but the statement remains laced with reference to not wanting the "Premiership" in Cardiff City. What on earth does that have to do with getting the Blue kit reinstated as our home colours.

But probably the most concerning is the statement by the author that he / she does not want to enter into a debate over this. So if you join the group understand that the aims are set by one person and that's the author of this statement.

If that is really true then Tony Blue Williams is right the movement will fail like KCB group. I hope that doesn't happen as in my opinion this "Unofficial" group properly organised will have greater impact than the trust which lets face it at times looks about as decisive as the peoples front of judea.

Tuesday night is an important step in the evolution of Bluebirds Unite and I hope that sorting out it's "Mission Statement" is high on the agenda.

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I recently joined the supporters trust, the reason I did so is because I wanted to be part of a group that is able to put their opinions and suggestions directly to our club, they are a voice of a group of fans allegedly.

In the last couple of years social media and use of the internet has exploded and I often read when looking at WalesOnline or BBC articles references to our fans forum /message board where they take our opinions into serious consideration when then write articles, they want to be on side with the fans needless to say. This makes me think that old school supporters trusts may be becoming outdated.

This, coupled with what the trust is meant to represent has given me an idea, why don’t we form our own representative body? We are in fact calling ourselves a ‘fans forum’ well lets form just that, a representative group of people that could attend meetings and be a voice for our members.

The only problem of course is that opinions on the forum are far and wide, some are borderline extreme, to that end we would need a broad range of people of varied opinion to form the representatives that could of course be selected by our members. This way we could hopefully find some mutual ground in our discussions and set realistic targets.

Lets take our board to the next level and form a group of people to be our voice in meetings with the club and other bodies.

Anyway it’s only an idea and I’d be very interested to hear your opinions.

I think you got the best intentiuns but maybe are a bit carried away with how big the messageboards are? this one gets a coach going to away games is it? so whats that a hardcore of 40-50? you got to take into acount thet the vast majority who post on this board do so co they got they laptop handy or a iphone or whatever so its a peice off piss to jus put a post up. if you told 95% off posters they had to go the post office and put a stamp on all they posts theyd say -f*ck that, cant be arsed- the Trust has ten times more members than this board who actaully got of they arses and joined. the only way forward is to join that and shape its decisions!! right now the Trust is doing fuk all. a coaching session with a chat from the keep racism out of football team?? do us a favour theres no problems with racism down the City so the Trust like all these other bodies is gagging to show its politicaly correct rather than deal with the proper issues right now which for fans is still the rebrand if it werent for that wed al be on clud 9

I could never before see the club accepting a message board as an official organisation affiliated to the club to discuss any issues or concerns supporters may have especially on contentious issues but yet the club asked for representation of both message boards when it wished to rebrand the football club so maybe the club has set a precedent that it may find difficult to move away from should message board posters ask to be involved in regular dialogue.

I could never before see the club accepting a message board as an official organisation affiliated to the club to discuss any issues or concerns supporters may have especially on contentious issues but yet the club asked for representation of both message boards when it wished to rebrand the football club so maybe the club has set a precedent that it may find difficult to move away from should message board posters ask to be involved in regular dialogue.

Affiliated is the key word here Carl.
If the board turned itself into another supporters organisation with a subscription membership then I think it's a new ball game.
Otherwise I think it will only be lip service being paid by the club.

I could never before see the club accepting a message board as an official organisation affiliated to the club to discuss any issues or concerns supporters may have especially on contentious issues but yet the club asked for representation of both message boards when it wished to rebrand the football club so maybe the club has set a precedent that it may find difficult to move away from should message board posters ask to be involved in regular dialogue.

Who's views were represented?

I could never before see the club accepting a message board as an official organisation affiliated to the club to discuss any issues or concerns supporters may have especially on contentious issues but yet the club asked for representation of both message boards when it wished to rebrand the football club so maybe the club has set a precedent that it may find difficult to move away from should message board posters ask to be involved in regular dialogue.

Who's views were represented?

The 15 of whom were in attendance.