" TAN, HAMMAM, LANGSTON AND THE DEBT "

Once Sam settles we can really go after Tan without fear of callamity.

I really feel for you sometimes, mate

haha what?

Laughable indeed

Why on Earth would we want to 'go after' Tan??

He's not a feckin's Outlaw (as some appear to think) and he has the best interests of Cardiff City FC (albeit for his own reasons) at heart and he is a lot beter than some recent foreign owners that have come to these shores (Tony Fernades, Guydamak and others) and some need to bear that in mind

All the decisions Tan has made are to profit Vincent Tan and his projects in the far east. Too say he has CCFC in his heart is ludicrus in my view, he's just shit on 100 years of heritage. Also did he not want to change the name up until recently? Be honest he's running the club and the fans the wayauthoritarian regimes run their population.

I'd like to ask you a question as you seem to have faith in VT, perhaps you know a lot more than i , Would you gaurantee all Cardiff fans that VT won't shit on us at a later date? Would you garauntee any further erosion of CCFC heritage?

Don't you just love the way people put unanswerable questions on here?
Ok what if tan goes can you guarantee we won't get a venki type owners?
Answers to both questions is nobody knows! Ffs

Don't you just love the way people put unanswerable questions on here?
Ok what if tan goes can you guarantee we won't get a venki type owners?
Answers to both questions is nobody knows! Ffs

So we accept this man treating us with contempt because we might get venki type owners? What a bizare philosphy in which to live your life. You do realise that venki aren't the norm?

I would like to see this sorted before the season starts but I don't think it will be.

Tan will not pay Hammam.

well. He's got to.

Do you really think Tan will pay off Sam/Langstone before the start of the season.

I don't care if we pay Sam or not whatever's best for cardiff city...

Don't you just love the way people put unanswerable questions on here?
Ok what if tan goes can you guarantee we won't get a venki type owners?
Answers to both questions is nobody knows! Ffs

So we accept this man treating us with contempt because we might get venki type owners? What a bizare philosphy in which to live your life. You do realise that venki aren't the norm?

Point is you asked a question which no one can answer! It suites your agenda to say such things, yes tan as not playing ball with the fans but then they are not propping club up are they? Not many normal owners in football are there? So you prefer tan to f off and take pot luck as to comes in? As that is only way we will go back to blue! like said plenty of venkis out there

Don't you just love the way people put unanswerable questions on here?
Ok what if tan goes can you guarantee we won't get a venki type owners?
Answers to both questions is nobody knows! Ffs

So we accept this man treating us with contempt because we might get venki type owners? What a bizare philosphy in which to live your life. You do realise that venki aren't the norm?

Point is you asked a question which no one can answer! It suites your agenda to say such things, yes tan as not playing ball with the fans but then they are not propping club up are they? Not many normal owners in football are there? So you prefer tan to f off and take pot luck as to comes in? As that is only way we will go back to blue! like said plenty of venkis out there

There are NOT plenty of Venkis out there, there is one Venki scenario and because of that we accept everything our current owner throws at us, again this philosophy is massively illogical.

Don't you just love the way people put unanswerable questions on here?
Ok what if tan goes can you guarantee we won't get a venki type owners?
Answers to both questions is nobody knows! Ffs

So we accept this man treating us with contempt because we might get venki type owners? What a bizare philosphy in which to live your life. You do realise that venki aren't the norm?

Point is you asked a question which no one can answer! It suites your agenda to say such things, yes tan as not playing ball with the fans but then they are not propping club up are they? Not many normal owners in football are there? So you prefer tan to f off and take pot luck as to comes in? As that is only way we will go back to blue! like said plenty of venkis out there

There are NOT plenty of Venkis out there, there is one Venki scenario and because of that we accept everything our current owner throws at us, again this philosophy is massively illogical.

Yes totally illogical! but then no other philosophy works either! Ces' t la vie!

Don't you just love the way people put unanswerable questions on here?
Ok what if tan goes can you guarantee we won't get a venki type owners?
Answers to both questions is nobody knows! Ffs

So we accept this man treating us with contempt because we might get venki type owners? What a bizare philosphy in which to live your life. You do realise that venki aren't the norm?

Point is you asked a question which no one can answer! It suites your agenda to say such things, yes tan as not playing ball with the fans but then they are not propping club up are they? Not many normal owners in football are there? So you prefer tan to f off and take pot luck as to comes in? As that is only way we will go back to blue! like said plenty of venkis out there

There are NOT plenty of Venkis out there, there is one Venki scenario and because of that we accept everything our current owner throws at us, again this philosophy is massively illogical.

Yes totally illogical! but then no other philosophy works either! Ces' t la vie!

What about the philosophy of standing up for what is right and working towards getting things done together as a fan base? Or should we just thank god we haven't got Venki and let Tan do what he wants, including change the name?

Rebranding aside tan has been great for Cardiff.people weren't exactly queuing up to pump money into City.prefer tan instead of a venky type owner any day.without tans help god knows where we'd be now,certainly not in the premier.

Rebranding aside tan has been great for Cardiff.people weren't exactly queuing up to pump money into City.prefer tan instead of a venky type owner any day.without tans help god knows where we'd be now,certainly not in the premier.

I don't think you can say where we would be, look at the sides who recently faced admin yet are now doing really well, or where we are going, who knows how this will end with Tan.

Rebranding aside tan has been great for Cardiff.people weren't exactly queuing up to pump money into City.prefer tan instead of a venky type owner any day.without tans help god knows where we'd be now,certainly not in the premier.

I don't think you can say where we would be, look at the sides who recently faced admin yet are now doing really well, or where we are going, who knows how this will end with Tan.

teams like Pompey you mean,none of us no what the future holds but Cardiff are moving in the right direction.

If Tan clears the debt with Sam and converts his loans to equity then I think you'll find there won't be many people willing to join a crusade to 'get tan out'.

He would have delivered on his promises and made us a debt free premier league team with an excellent outlook, albeit in red.

Rebranding aside tan has been great for Cardiff.people weren't exactly queuing up to pump money into City.prefer tan instead of a venky type owner any day.without tans help god knows where we'd be now,certainly not in the premier.

I don't think you can say where we would be, look at the sides who recently faced admin yet are now doing really well, or where we are going, who knows how this will end with Tan.

teams like Pompey you mean,none of us no what the future holds but Cardiff are moving in the right direction.

I was thinking of a side closer to home, whose name i can't bring myself to speak.We are still on coarse for a Pompey more so than 1 year ago, i think we should've taken admin a year ago, done a Leeds. What if Tan gets bored, Or can't be bothered f**k arsing around with Sam any longer?

If Tan clears the debt with Sam and converts his loans to equity then I think you'll find there won't be many people willing to join a crusade to 'get tan out'.

He would have delivered on his promises and made us a debt free premier league team with an excellent outlook, albeit in red.

well said.

If Tan clears the debt with Sam and converts his loans to equity then I think you'll find there won't be many people willing to join a crusade to 'get tan out'.

He would have delivered on his promises and made us a debt free premier league team with an excellent outlook, albeit in red.

I think you're so wrong it's not even true. Once the debt is clear(If it ever gets cleared) then you will see fans confidently demanding the blue or else.

Rebranding aside tan has been great for Cardiff.people weren't exactly queuing up to pump money into City.prefer tan instead of a venky type owner any day.without tans help god knows where we'd be now,certainly not in the premier.

I don't think you can say where we would be, look at the sides who recently faced admin yet are now doing really well, or where we are going, who knows how this will end with Tan.

teams like Pompey you mean,none of us no what the future holds but Cardiff are moving in the right direction.

I was thinking of a side closer to home, whose name i can't bring myself to speak.We are still on coarse for a Pompey more so than 1 year ago, i think we should've taken admin a year ago, done a Leeds. What if Tan gets bored, Or can't be bothered f**k arsing around with Sam any longer?

your entitled to your opinion but why so negative?we've waited a long time to get back to the top,lets enjoy it.

Rebranding aside tan has been great for Cardiff.people weren't exactly queuing up to pump money into City.prefer tan instead of a venky type owner any day.without tans help god knows where we'd be now,certainly not in the premier.

I don't think you can say where we would be, look at the sides who recently faced admin yet are now doing really well, or where we are going, who knows how this will end with Tan.

teams like Pompey you mean,none of us no what the future holds but Cardiff are moving in the right direction.

I was thinking of a side closer to home, whose name i can't bring myself to speak.We are still on coarse for a Pompey more so than 1 year ago, i think we should've taken admin a year ago, done a Leeds. What if Tan gets bored, Or can't be bothered f**k arsing around with Sam any longer?

your entitled to your opinion but why so negative?we've waited a long time to get back to the top,lets enjoy it.

It is just my opinion. Problem i have is it's not 'we' It's Tan and Malaysia. the local element got brushed aside with that red shite.

If Tan clears the debt with Sam and converts his loans to equity then I think you'll find there won't be many people willing to join a crusade to 'get tan out'.

He would have delivered on his promises and made us a debt free premier league team with an excellent outlook, albeit in red.

I think you're so wrong it's not even true. Once the debt is clear(If it ever gets cleared) then you will see fans confidently demanding the blue or else.

I respectively disagree, strongly. The rebrand was sold on a list of promises which if met then I think Tan will be respected for taking Cardiff up to the next level.

I do however think that he will sell up once we're established in the Prem and he has earned a return on his investment. That is when there will be a time to lobby the new owner to bring back blue.

There will never be an 'or else' mentality amongst the majority. It will get you no-where.

If Tan clears the debt with Sam and converts his loans to equity then I think you'll find there won't be many people willing to join a crusade to 'get tan out'.

He would have delivered on his promises and made us a debt free premier league team with an excellent outlook, albeit in red.

I think you're so wrong it's not even true. Once the debt is clear(If it ever gets cleared) then you will see fans confidently demanding the blue or else.

I respectively disagree, strongly. The rebrand was sold on a list of promises which if met then I think Tan will be respected for taking Cardiff up to the next level.

I do however think that he will sell up once we're established in the Prem and he has earned a return on his investment. That is when there will be a time to lobby the new owner to bring back blue.

There will never be an 'or else' mentality amongst the majority. It will get you no-where.

The promises were vague, they can't ever be met adequetly because they were vague and open to interpretation.

Why do you think Tan will sell up? Is this just money to him?

Rebranding aside tan has been great for Cardiff.people weren't exactly queuing up to pump money into City.prefer tan instead of a venky type owner any day.without tans help god knows where we'd be now,certainly not in the premier.

I don't think you can say where we would be, look at the sides who recently faced admin yet are now doing really well, or where we are going, who knows how this will end with Tan.

teams like Pompey you mean,none of us no what the future holds but Cardiff are moving in the right direction.

I was thinking of a side closer to home, whose name i can't bring myself to speak.We are still on coarse for a Pompey more so than 1 year ago, i think we should've taken admin a year ago, done a Leeds. What if Tan gets bored, Or can't be bothered f**k arsing around with Sam any longer?

your entitled to your opinion but why so negative?we've waited a long time to get back to the top,lets enjoy it.

It is just my opinion. Problem i have is it's not 'we' It's Tan and Malaysia. the local element got brushed aside with that red shite.

most people have accepted the rebranding,the stadium's full,waited list for tickets,stadium expansion,new training facility's,premier league,around 25m for players,10m last season plus tan trying to exploit other market's for the benefit of Cardiff City and yes himself and why not.not a bad place to be Imo.

I disagree mate, Most people want our colours back.

I disagree mate, Most people want our colours back.

like i said your entitled to your opinion.getting blue back is going to take time,it'll be a long haul Imo.

Once Sam settles we can really go after Tan without fear of callamity.

I really feel for you sometimes, mate

haha what?

Laughable indeed

Why on Earth would we want to 'go after' Tan??

He's not a feckin's Outlaw (as some appear to think) and he has the best interests of Cardiff City FC (albeit for his own reasons) at heart and he is a lot beter than some recent foreign owners that have come to these shores (Tony Fernades, Guydamak and others) and some need to bear that in mind

All the decisions Tan has made are to profit Vincent Tan and his projects in the far east. Too say he has CCFC in his heart is ludicrus in my view, he's just shit on 100 years of heritage. Also did he not want to change the name up until recently? Be honest he's running the club and the fans the wayauthoritarian regimes run their population.

I'd like to ask you a question as you seem to have faith in VT, perhaps you know a lot more than i , Would you gaurantee all Cardiff fans that VT won't shit on us at a later date? Would you garauntee any further erosion of CCFC heritage?

I'll answer as intelligently as I can without insulting you too much, as you have obviously 'made up your mind' that Tan is some sort of anti-Christ and THAT is why I am embarrassed for you, mate

All the decisions Tan has made have, erm, ended up with Cardiff City FC being on a pretty solid base BY FOOTBALLING STANDARDS and IN THE PREMIER LEAGUE, so I am not too sure what else he needs to do to show he has the best interests of Cardiff City FC in mind

Of course, it is safe to say that he (Tan) is doing this for his own reasons and so long as that benefits us as a club, then surely that is to a large extent acceptable given his investment? And surely you are not going to try and argue that any other owner (and I use Sam, Riddler and Kumar as recent examples) wasn't 'in it' for their own purposes (and in two cases to be sure) for their own egos? You'd be having a bigger laugh than you are now!

Beyond that, I am not sure exactly what it would take to make you (and those who think similarly) happy; although I suspect very little would help achieve that, as there would always be 'something else' to whinge at

You say he has 'ruined 100 years of heritage' and that shows your complete misunderstanding of both the situation AND the term itself. We haven't lost our heritage any more than any other business that has decided to 'modernise' and take a 'different' business route in order to 'refresh' its brand and seek out alternate markets in which to sell its wares, thus attracting more investment. The 'heritage' is still there, as is the 'history' but we have certainly started a new chapter

You argue that Tan "runs the club in an authoritarian manner" and yet you don't mention the amount of money he has invested in order to put us in the position we are currently in? Neither do you mention the fact that as a result he can effectively do what he wants, which he has...and 99% of that has been to the benefit of Cardiff City FC and, by default, its long-suffering supporters. Is that 'selective' or what?

You talk about the alleged 'name change' but it didn't happen, did it? Not sure why, but I suspect even Tan knows the limits of what he can do; and maybe (but I don't actually know) that was a bit of a 'curved ball' that made the shirt colour change a little more palatable for the masses, as they would (maybe did) accept the lesser of two evils

As for your question "Can I guarantee that Tan won't shit on us in the future?" Feck me, mate, how naïve is that? Five or six years ago I thought Sam was the Messiah and would be leading us to 'the promised land' via the Lebanese route, so how can I guarantee that? I simply, like you can guarantee he will, cannot...

BUT, if you were to ask me "do I have enough trust in Tan to deliver sustained growth and security, as well as a sustained Premier League future for Cardiff City FC?" then YES, I do, for the simple reason that he will not want to walk away without being a success. He will have learned a lot from watching Tony Fernandes at QPR and he won't IMHO be making the same mistakes as they did

Only time will tell and this is (a) only my opinion, and (b) it is definitely anti-blue. It is simply the thoughts of someone (me) that has REMEMBERED where we were and where we are. Would we have done it without Tan's investment? I doubt it, but then again that's only me being realistic and positive. I suppose I should be ashamed for being prepared to RELUCTANTLY ACCEPT the red for so little in exchange, eh?, eh?

If you think you are suffering now, I seriously suggest you go to a hypnotist and get them to take you back around 4 years when the man you are now 'slagging off' wasn't even on the horizon and THOSE WHO WERE (and I don't mean Riddler et al who did their best under the circumstances) DID ABSOLUTELY FECK ALL TO HELP THE CLUB WHEN IT NEEDED THEM MOST (other than PMG, of course, who then fleeced us more than most and certainly more than VT has to date)

Don't you just love the way people put unanswerable questions on here?
Ok what if tan goes can you guarantee we won't get a venki type owners?
Answers to both questions is nobody knows! Ffs

So we accept this man treating us with contempt because we might get venki type owners? What a bizare philosphy in which to live your life. You do realise that venki aren't the norm?

Point is you asked a question which no one can answer! It suites your agenda to say such things, yes tan as not playing ball with the fans but then they are not propping club up are they? Not many normal owners in football are there? So you prefer tan to f off and take pot luck as to comes in? As that is only way we will go back to blue! like said plenty of venkis out there

There are NOT plenty of Venkis out there, there is one Venki scenario and because of that we accept everything our current owner throws at us, again this philosophy is massively illogical.

One set of Venki's BUT PLENTY OF OWNERS WHO HAVE TAKEN THEIR CLUBS TO THE BRINK AND BEYOND and FEW that take their club's to the Premier League and financial stability but don't let that affect your blinkered thinking, mate

Ignorance is often bliss, so they say

Don't you just love the way people put unanswerable questions on here?
Ok what if tan goes can you guarantee we won't get a venki type owners?
Answers to both questions is nobody knows! Ffs

So we accept this man treating us with contempt because we might get venki type owners? What a bizare philosphy in which to live your life. You do realise that venki aren't the norm?

Point is you asked a question which no one can answer! It suites your agenda to say such things, yes tan as not playing ball with the fans but then they are not propping club up are they? Not many normal owners in football are there? So you prefer tan to f off and take pot luck as to comes in? As that is only way we will go back to blue! like said plenty of venkis out there

There are NOT plenty of Venkis out there, there is one Venki scenario and because of that we accept everything our current owner throws at us, again this philosophy is massively illogical.

One set of Venki's BUT PLENTY OF OWNERS WHO HAVE TAKEN THEIR CLUBS TO THE BRINK AND BEYOND and FEW that take their club's to the Premier League and financial stability but don't let that affect your blinkered thinking, mate

Ignorance is often bliss, so they say

I wouldn't waste your time as there is every chance you are responding to yet another manifestation of roath jerky

Don't you just love the way people put unanswerable questions on here?
Ok what if tan goes can you guarantee we won't get a venki type owners?
Answers to both questions is nobody knows! Ffs

So we accept this man treating us with contempt because we might get venki type owners? What a bizare philosphy in which to live your life. You do realise that venki aren't the norm?

Point is you asked a question which no one can answer! It suites your agenda to say such things, yes tan as not playing ball with the fans but then they are not propping club up are they? Not many normal owners in football are there? So you prefer tan to f off and take pot luck as to comes in? As that is only way we will go back to blue! like said plenty of venkis out there

There are NOT plenty of Venkis out there, there is one Venki scenario and because of that we accept everything our current owner throws at us, again this philosophy is massively illogical.

One set of Venki's BUT PLENTY OF OWNERS WHO HAVE TAKEN THEIR CLUBS TO THE BRINK AND BEYOND and FEW that take their club's to the Premier League and financial stability but don't let that affect your blinkered thinking, mate

Ignorance is often bliss, so they say

I wouldn't waste your time as there is every chance you are responding to yet another manifestation of roath jerky

You're possibly right, mate but even he can't hide from the FACTS or the TRUTH, eh, so worth a punt

Hopefully Sam will make returning the club back to blue and change of club crest as conditions of settling the loan notes just so we can all get back to supporting the club

if tan told him he was making the players wear red warpaint and pink boots hammam wont care a f**k as long as he get his cash. this sam loves cardiff city stuff surley people must have seen thru by now? tan used everyone on his sunday at the kids football sceme. no ofence to anyone but walking round the pitches with a few cardiff city fans didnt mean shit to tan he smiled paid lip service then went back to malaysia and forgot about them his new mate sam hammam was griting his teeth like being shown around your old house by yr ex-wifes new husband

If Tan clears the debt with Sam and converts his loans to equity then I think you'll find there won't be many people willing to join a crusade to 'get tan out'.

He would have delivered on his promises and made us a debt free premier league team with an excellent outlook, albeit in red.

I think you're so wrong it's not even true. Once the debt is clear(If it ever gets cleared) then you will see fans confidently demanding the blue or else.

Else what?

If Tan clears the debt with Sam and converts his loans to equity then I think you'll find there won't be many people willing to join a crusade to 'get tan out'.

He would have delivered on his promises and made us a debt free premier league team with an excellent outlook, albeit in red.

I think you're so wrong it's not even true. Once the debt is clear(If it ever gets cleared) then you will see fans confidently demanding the blue or else.

Else what?

Silly idea! If he's converted debt he strengthen his hand as kept promises! So can't see him needing to bow to any sort of pressure
To change kit back.