Tan the killjoy

As brickyblue says, who the hell do you think you are telling us to support a different team? If you have been striving for Premiership football and you care about watching a successful team in red so much, then why don't YOU bugger off and support Man Utd?

oh the irony of you comment

If you're going to dish it out and try telling fans like me to support a different club, then you've got to take it. You say if blue matters to me so much, support Pompey. I say if supporting a successful team in red matters so much, support Man Utd.

thats the point thou.... ive not been telling anyone to do anything other than support cardiff..
what i have said is Tan is not to blame for our nature towards one another.. he may of caused the issue but the hostilities between fans has always and will always be there..

Some cannot accept what i am saying, Some just want to blame tan for everything.....

hence my original reply to this post

"Yeah it's all his fault..

The play offs , Cup Final , Promotion.....

What a wank....."


i cant help it if people dont understand my sarcastic nature...

Also please read my posts in this thread and kindly point out where I tell you or any other fan to support another side as you have alleged that I have done...

I wouldn't swap our success for our traditions back. I'm sorry but the whole of South Wales(bar Swansea supported areas) can feel the positive vibe of Premiership football when we confirmed it. It was incredible, we all were so happy. This club has a bright future

glory over identity and belonging might as well sellout to man u

That's f*cking bollocks mate, I want cardiff city to have glory and be successfull and win lots of games, isn't that what playing sport is aimed at (winning)? And just because we want succes your attitude is you sellout Man U? Narrow minded immature attitude that is..

Sounds like you've been brainwashed by Tans unlucky blue comment , we can be just as successful in our traditional blue

Without Tan we would have no football club at all.

Without Tan we would have no football club at all.

Facts to back this up?

Without Tan we would have no football club at all.

Facts to back this up?

Facts to prove otherwise?
Before Tan we were in the shit and the club struggled to stay in existence remember..

Without Tan we would have no football club at all.

Facts to back this up?

If he hadn't paid the £6m tax bill that was way overdue after the Blackpool play-off final it is likely we would have either gone out of business or collapsed down the leagues Portsmouth/Plymouth/Luton style (that would be the best we could have hoped for).

HMRC have grown very tired of football clubs shirking tax and I think they are desperate to make an example out of a club. We would have been rich pickings for them.

So you have no facts to back this up with.. Okay then.

Funny isn't it. When people say "we would have got through it without Tan" people demand facts to back this up... They then go and say we wouldn't exist and expect that to be believed, despite no facts to back this up (which is bizarre as they demand facts to believe others! )

At the end of the day, nobody knows what would have happened. You say we would have gone bust, I feel we would have been okay.

So you have no facts to back this up with.. Okay then.

Funny isn't it. When people say "we would have got through it without Tan" people demand facts to back this up... They then go and say we wouldn't exist and expect that to be believed, despite no facts to back this up (which is bizarre as they demand facts to believe others! )

At the end of the day, nobody knows what would have happened. You say we would have gone bust, I feel we would have been okay.

Okay, is it true that..

a) we had a 6 million tax bill to pay
b) Tan paid it
c) if he did nobody else woukld
d) that Pompey, Plymouth and Luton spiralled downwards and narrowly missed liquidation with similar or lesser issues.

The answers to all of those are yes, therefore it is a fact that Tan saved the club.

You think we would have been okay with debts well over £30m (inc Langston and others) with a turnover much less than that with nobody to bail us out?

Do you not remember the Golden ticket scandal where Ridsdale used transfer money from season tickets to keep the club going by paying a tax bill. We gained another £6m debts from Jan-May following that. We were well down the valley of death.

Seriously!

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That wasn't your point though was it? your point was that there would be NO club, not that Tan saved us

Stop moving the goalposts.

That wasn't your point though was it? your point was that there would be NO club, not that Tan saved us

Stop moving the goalposts.

Yes it was, it is clear we would have gone bust.

Not to me. Have you got the facts/evidence to back this up?

We are back to my original question here, the one I asked before you started moving the goalposts to suit your agenda.

Not to me. Have you got the facts/evidence to back this up?

We are back to my original question here, the one I asked before you started moving the goalposts to suit your agenda.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/footbal ... 802876.stm

£1.3m tax bill part of the £6m of debts VT paid.

We had a WINDING UP order on 11 Aug 2010 as a result of this.

Guess what happens if you don't pay the debts by the date of a winding up order?

and before you say 'we were given extra time before', that's exactly the reason why we were heading towards bankruptcy. They don't give you too many chances, we had used up pretty much all of our nine lives.

I've shown you all this before but you never listen and you don't seem to learn either.

and the desperation for facts is laughable seen as you constantly make accusations against Tan with no evidence to back it up.

I'm not actually desperate for facts. as I've already stated. Keep up!

I'm merely saying that when people say we would have been okay without Tan, others like you ask for facts/evidence to back this claim up... The same people then state that we would be no longer in existence without Tan, without providing anything to prove that this would be the case.

I've no doubt we would have dropped.. As low as Portsmouth? Maybe, but there's nothing to say we would have definitely closed, just like there's nothing to say we would have survived.

I'm not actually desperate for facts. as I've already stated. Keep up!

I'm merely saying that when people say we would have been okay without Tan, others like you ask for facts/evidence to back this claim up... The same people then state that we would be no longer in existence without Tan, without providing anything to prove that this would be the case.

I've no doubt we would have dropped.. As low as Portsmouth? Maybe, but there's nothing to say we would have definitely closed, just like there's nothing to say we would have survived.

Stop constantly asking for more then!!

I know for a fact that we would not have been okay if he hadn't stepped in. Why do you think so many City fans and the board rolled over for the rebrand? Because we knew what VT had done for us and that he would ensure our future survival. I want my kids to be able to support Cardiff when growing up.

I just proved to you that we had yet another winding up order against us for the bill Tan paid. Case closed.

There are facts, there is no written or publicised evidence from the club or HMRC to suggest that the club would fold if the tax bill wasn't settled. However There are also no written or publicised evidence to suggest that the club would've been fine had the investment not arrived.
All we know is what we have been told,heard or read....

I don't remember hearing,reading or seeing anything to suggest that had Tan not made the initial invesent, we would've been fine.

I do however recall our previous chairman using a phoney ticket scam to bring in extra revenue to keep the wolves from our door. That tells me we were in Trouble.

I wouldn't swap our success for our traditions back. I'm sorry but the whole of South Wales(bar Swansea supported areas) can feel the positive vibe of Premiership football when we confirmed it. It was incredible, we all were so happy. This club has a bright future

glory over identity and belonging might as well sellout to man u

That's f*cking bollocks mate, I want cardiff city to have glory and be successfull and win lots of games, isn't that what playing sport is aimed at (winning)? And just because we want succes your attitude is you sellout Man U? Narrow minded immature attitude that is..

Sounds like you've been brainwashed by Tans unlucky blue comment , we can be just as successful in our traditional blue

I ain't that thick that blue is unlucky. The fact is in blue tan said he would walk away then that leaves us in the shit.

I wouldn't swap our success for our traditions back. I'm sorry but the whole of South Wales(bar Swansea supported areas) can feel the positive vibe of Premiership football when we confirmed it. It was incredible, we all were so happy. This club has a bright future

glory over identity and belonging might as well sellout to man u

That's f*cking bollocks mate, I want cardiff city to have glory and be successfull and win lots of games, isn't that what playing sport is aimed at (winning)? And just because we want succes your attitude is you sellout Man U? Narrow minded immature attitude that is..

Sounds like you've been brainwashed by Tans unlucky blue comment , we can be just as successful in our traditional blue

I ain't that thick that blue is unlucky. The fact is in blue tan said he would walk away then that leaves us in the shit.

No he did not.

I'm always buzzing until people start moaning about getting their blue back. So it works both ways same as you buzzing until you see red etc.

Tan could be seen as a killjoy

Also alot of people could see bluebirds unite as a killjoy and the moaning blue fans as a killjoy like I do

Depends really don't it

"Getting their blue back"?
It's "our" clubs identity he's talking about not just a Bricky Blues whimsical favourite colour! Whimsical favourite colour......surely that's not the cause of this whole shambolic debacle.....is it ?

This thread is 100% bang on true. For most City fans the joy has been taken away, this should be the greatest time ever to support the Bluebirds, and we could have had an owner that we would have all loved, but alas this has been snatched away by the colour red. Some fools on here actively see Cardiff City as a red club, wake up we are blue and have been for close on 100 years. We are the Bluebirds, the clue is in the name

Yeah it's all his fault..

The play offs , Cup Final , Promotion.....

What a wank.....

Was it worth selling the clubs soul for? Not for me, worst feeling as a City fan was seeing my fellow bluebirds wave that scarf, something died in me that night, far worse than relagation.

I wouldn't swap our success for our traditions back. I'm sorry but the whole of South Wales(bar Swansea supported areas) can feel the positive vibe of Premiership football when we confirmed it. It was incredible, we all were so happy. This club has a bright future

glory over identity and belonging might as well sellout to man u

That's f*cking bollocks mate, I want cardiff city to have glory and be successfull and win lots of games, isn't that what playing sport is aimed at (winning)? And just because we want succes your attitude is you sellout Man U? Narrow minded immature attitude that is..

Sounds like you've been brainwashed by Tans unlucky blue comment , we can be just as successful in our traditional blue

Quote: "we can be just as successful in our traditional blue"


Darran, but we WEREN'T, were we?

And that is the whole point. Regardless of what arguments people put across FOR or AGAINST the move to RED, it is a simple FACT that this club was CLOSE (and that is putting it mildly) to going at best into 'liquidation' and potentially in to oblivion...

People of opposing views can argue until they are blue (sorry) in the face because without the services of a soothsayer no one will ever ACTUALLY KNOW what might have happened...

ONE or TWO will argue that we were NEVER in danger and that it would have "all worked out in the end", whilst the big majority watched and listened to what was occurring and were genuinely fearful of the position the club was in and where it could lead...

Peter Ridsdale (for all his faults) was robbing Peter to pay Paul for some time prior to TG (and then VT's) arrival on these shores and I genuinely believe (in fact, I know) that the season ticket fiasco money kept our club afloat; it really was a case of pay THIS bill or go bust; a no-brainer really but one people seized on quickly to 'bash' the club in a similar way to what they are doing now...

As for the 'brainwashed by Tan' comment, I think that is pretty small-minded thing to say. Vincent Tan (as I've said many times before) settled this club down and prioritised his actions before providing Malky (and therefore us long-suffering fans) with a team that would get us to the Premier League and all that it entails...

How that cannot be enough for some is beyond me but, for some reason, it isn't and that is a shame...

However, from a personal point of view (one which includes a desire to be BLUE) I can sit here and right that given what PROBABLY lied ahead in the last days of Ridsdale, I would have bitten the hand off anyone who could have secured the very future of Cardiff City Football Club at almost any cost. It was THAT desperate, as we all KNOW in reality...

For it to turn out the way it has (i.e. security AND the Premier League) is beyond the wildest dreams of those "who were there in the dark days" and (even if it is only for VT's tenure) the RED is an infinitely better deal than the one that was on the table at the start of his involvement and I can hand-on-heart say that given the alternative at the time, what we currently have is enough for me to (reluctantly on the RED/BLUE issue) accept what we currently have and look forward rather than backward (where things weren't always as bright as we would like to remember)

I wouldn't swap our success for our traditions back. I'm sorry but the whole of South Wales(bar Swansea supported areas) can feel the positive vibe of Premiership football when we confirmed it. It was incredible, we all were so happy. This club has a bright future

glory over identity and belonging might as well sellout to man u

That's f*cking bollocks mate, I want cardiff city to have glory and be successfull and win lots of games, isn't that what playing sport is aimed at (winning)? And just because we want succes your attitude is you sellout Man U? Narrow minded immature attitude that is..

Sounds like you've been brainwashed by Tans unlucky blue comment , we can be just as successful in our traditional blue

Quote: "we can be just as successful in our traditional blue"


Darran, but we WEREN'T, were we?

And that is the whole point. Regardless of what arguments people put across FOR or AGAINST the move to RED, it is a simple FACT that this club was CLOSE (and that is putting it mildly) to going at best into 'liquidation' and potentially in to oblivion...

People of opposing views can argue until they are blue (sorry) in the face because without the services of a soothsayer no one will ever ACTUALLY KNOW what might have happened...

ONE or TWO will argue that we were NEVER in danger and that it would have "all worked out in the end", whilst the big majority watched and listened to what was occurring and were genuinely fearful of the position the club was in and where it could lead...

Peter Ridsdale (for all his faults) was robbing Peter to pay Paul for some time prior to TG (and then VT's) arrival on these shores and I genuinely believe (in fact, I know) that the season ticket fiasco money kept our club afloat; it really was a case of pay THIS bill or go bust; a no-brainer really but one people seized on quickly to 'bash' the club in a similar way to what they are doing now...

As for the 'brainwashed by Tan' comment, I think that is pretty small-minded thing to say. Vincent Tan (as I've said many times before) settled this club down and prioritised his actions before providing Malky (and therefore us long-suffering fans) with a team that would get us to the Premier League and all that it entails...

How that cannot be enough for some is beyond me but, for some reason, it isn't and that is a shame...

However, from a personal point of view (one which includes a desire to be BLUE) I can sit here and right that given what PROBABLY lied ahead in the last days of Ridsdale, I would have bitten the hand off anyone who could have secured the very future of Cardiff City Football Club at almost any cost. It was THAT desperate, as we all KNOW in reality...

For it to turn out the way it has (i.e. security AND the Premier League) is beyond the wildest dreams of those "who were there in the dark days" and (even if it is only for VT's tenure) the RED is an infinitely better deal than the one that was on the table at the start of his involvement and I can hand-on-heart say that given the alternative at the time, what we currently have is enough for me to (reluctantly on the RED/BLUE issue) accept what we currently have and look forward rather than backward (where things weren't always as bright as we would like to remember)

So are you suggesting that if we had the same players , same manager season just gone and played in blue instead of red, we wouldn't be promoted

I wouldn't swap our success for our traditions back. I'm sorry but the whole of South Wales(bar Swansea supported areas) can feel the positive vibe of Premiership football when we confirmed it. It was incredible, we all were so happy. This club has a bright future

glory over identity and belonging might as well sellout to man u

That's f*cking bollocks mate, I want cardiff city to have glory and be successfull and win lots of games, isn't that what playing sport is aimed at (winning)? And just because we want succes your attitude is you sellout Man U? Narrow minded immature attitude that is..

Sounds like you've been brainwashed by Tans unlucky blue comment , we can be just as successful in our traditional blue

Quote: "we can be just as successful in our traditional blue"


Darran, but we WEREN'T, were we?

And that is the whole point. Regardless of what arguments people put across FOR or AGAINST the move to RED, it is a simple FACT that this club was CLOSE (and that is putting it mildly) to going at best into 'liquidation' and potentially in to oblivion...

People of opposing views can argue until they are blue (sorry) in the face because without the services of a soothsayer no one will ever ACTUALLY KNOW what might have happened...

ONE or TWO will argue that we were NEVER in danger and that it would have "all worked out in the end", whilst the big majority watched and listened to what was occurring and were genuinely fearful of the position the club was in and where it could lead...

Peter Ridsdale (for all his faults) was robbing Peter to pay Paul for some time prior to TG (and then VT's) arrival on these shores and I genuinely believe (in fact, I know) that the season ticket fiasco money kept our club afloat; it really was a case of pay THIS bill or go bust; a no-brainer really but one people seized on quickly to 'bash' the club in a similar way to what they are doing now...

As for the 'brainwashed by Tan' comment, I think that is pretty small-minded thing to say. Vincent Tan (as I've said many times before) settled this club down and prioritised his actions before providing Malky (and therefore us long-suffering fans) with a team that would get us to the Premier League and all that it entails...

How that cannot be enough for some is beyond me but, for some reason, it isn't and that is a shame...

However, from a personal point of view (one which includes a desire to be BLUE) I can sit here and right that given what PROBABLY lied ahead in the last days of Ridsdale, I would have bitten the hand off anyone who could have secured the very future of Cardiff City Football Club at almost any cost. It was THAT desperate, as we all KNOW in reality...

For it to turn out the way it has (i.e. security AND the Premier League) is beyond the wildest dreams of those "who were there in the dark days" and (even if it is only for VT's tenure) the RED is an infinitely better deal than the one that was on the table at the start of his involvement and I can hand-on-heart say that given the alternative at the time, what we currently have is enough for me to (reluctantly on the RED/BLUE issue) accept what we currently have and look forward rather than backward (where things weren't always as bright as we would like to remember)

So are you suggesting that if we had the same players , same manager season just gone and played in blue instead of red, we wouldn't be promoted

But we wouldn't have had the same players without tans investment would we so your point means f**k all! Lmao I'm done with arguing over the rebrand now it's pointless people just don't get it lol

I wouldn't swap our success for our traditions back. I'm sorry but the whole of South Wales(bar Swansea supported areas) can feel the positive vibe of Premiership football when we confirmed it. It was incredible, we all were so happy. This club has a bright future

glory over identity and belonging might as well sellout to man u

That's f*cking bollocks mate, I want cardiff city to have glory and be successfull and win lots of games, isn't that what playing sport is aimed at (winning)? And just because we want succes your attitude is you sellout Man U? Narrow minded immature attitude that is..

Sounds like you've been brainwashed by Tans unlucky blue comment , we can be just as successful in our traditional blue

Quote: "we can be just as successful in our traditional blue"


Darran, but we WEREN'T, were we?

And that is the whole point. Regardless of what arguments people put across FOR or AGAINST the move to RED, it is a simple FACT that this club was CLOSE (and that is putting it mildly) to going at best into 'liquidation' and potentially in to oblivion...

People of opposing views can argue until they are blue (sorry) in the face because without the services of a soothsayer no one will ever ACTUALLY KNOW what might have happened...

ONE or TWO will argue that we were NEVER in danger and that it would have "all worked out in the end", whilst the big majority watched and listened to what was occurring and were genuinely fearful of the position the club was in and where it could lead...

Peter Ridsdale (for all his faults) was robbing Peter to pay Paul for some time prior to TG (and then VT's) arrival on these shores and I genuinely believe (in fact, I know) that the season ticket fiasco money kept our club afloat; it really was a case of pay THIS bill or go bust; a no-brainer really but one people seized on quickly to 'bash' the club in a similar way to what they are doing now...

As for the 'brainwashed by Tan' comment, I think that is pretty small-minded thing to say. Vincent Tan (as I've said many times before) settled this club down and prioritised his actions before providing Malky (and therefore us long-suffering fans) with a team that would get us to the Premier League and all that it entails...

How that cannot be enough for some is beyond me but, for some reason, it isn't and that is a shame...

However, from a personal point of view (one which includes a desire to be BLUE) I can sit here and right that given what PROBABLY lied ahead in the last days of Ridsdale, I would have bitten the hand off anyone who could have secured the very future of Cardiff City Football Club at almost any cost. It was THAT desperate, as we all KNOW in reality...

For it to turn out the way it has (i.e. security AND the Premier League) is beyond the wildest dreams of those "who were there in the dark days" and (even if it is only for VT's tenure) the RED is an infinitely better deal than the one that was on the table at the start of his involvement and I can hand-on-heart say that given the alternative at the time, what we currently have is enough for me to (reluctantly on the RED/BLUE issue) accept what we currently have and look forward rather than backward (where things weren't always as bright as we would like to remember)

So are you suggesting that if we had the same players , same manager season just gone and played in blue instead of red, we wouldn't be promoted

No mate, that would have been the dream...but I do believe that Tan would have taken his bat and ball home to some extent and that (even grudgingly) we owe him a certain gratitude that should extend to indulging in his 'vision' on how he can make us a financially successful club

Additionally, we cannot be 100% sure (or otherwise, in fairness) of what team we MIGHT have had last season IF we had gone against his wishes The problem we all now have is seeing only our own 'perspectives' whilst only the one that saw VT and Malky achieve the dream is actually provable. The rest, as they say, is pure conjecture

Ultimately, we are where we are because Tan invested in us and supported Malky. There will ALWAYS be something we don't like but it could have been a lot worse IMHO and that is why I can just about tolerate the red FOR NOW (if you know what I mean)

Why should we have to 'get' your point? people have differing thoughts to you regarding the rebrand.. Accept it.

I wouldn't swap our success for our traditions back. I'm sorry but the whole of South Wales(bar Swansea supported areas) can feel the positive vibe of Premiership football when we confirmed it. It was incredible, we all were so happy. This club has a bright future

glory over identity and belonging might as well sellout to man u

That's f*cking bollocks mate, I want cardiff city to have glory and be successfull and win lots of games, isn't that what playing sport is aimed at (winning)? And just because we want succes your attitude is you sellout Man U? Narrow minded immature attitude that is..

Sounds like you've been brainwashed by Tans unlucky blue comment , we can be just as successful in our traditional blue

Quote: "we can be just as successful in our traditional blue"


Darran, but we WEREN'T, were we?

And that is the whole point. Regardless of what arguments people put across FOR or AGAINST the move to RED, it is a simple FACT that this club was CLOSE (and that is putting it mildly) to going at best into 'liquidation' and potentially in to oblivion...

People of opposing views can argue until they are blue (sorry) in the face because without the services of a soothsayer no one will ever ACTUALLY KNOW what might have happened...

ONE or TWO will argue that we were NEVER in danger and that it would have "all worked out in the end", whilst the big majority watched and listened to what was occurring and were genuinely fearful of the position the club was in and where it could lead...

Peter Ridsdale (for all his faults) was robbing Peter to pay Paul for some time prior to TG (and then VT's) arrival on these shores and I genuinely believe (in fact, I know) that the season ticket fiasco money kept our club afloat; it really was a case of pay THIS bill or go bust; a no-brainer really but one people seized on quickly to 'bash' the club in a similar way to what they are doing now...

As for the 'brainwashed by Tan' comment, I think that is pretty small-minded thing to say. Vincent Tan (as I've said many times before) settled this club down and prioritised his actions before providing Malky (and therefore us long-suffering fans) with a team that would get us to the Premier League and all that it entails...

How that cannot be enough for some is beyond me but, for some reason, it isn't and that is a shame...

However, from a personal point of view (one which includes a desire to be BLUE) I can sit here and right that given what PROBABLY lied ahead in the last days of Ridsdale, I would have bitten the hand off anyone who could have secured the very future of Cardiff City Football Club at almost any cost. It was THAT desperate, as we all KNOW in reality...

For it to turn out the way it has (i.e. security AND the Premier League) is beyond the wildest dreams of those "who were there in the dark days" and (even if it is only for VT's tenure) the RED is an infinitely better deal than the one that was on the table at the start of his involvement and I can hand-on-heart say that given the alternative at the time, what we currently have is enough for me to (reluctantly on the RED/BLUE issue) accept what we currently have and look forward rather than backward (where things weren't always as bright as we would like to remember)

So are you suggesting that if we had the same players , same manager season just gone and played in blue instead of red, we wouldn't be promoted

But we wouldn't have had the same players without tans investment would we so your point means f**k all! Lmao I'm done with arguing over the rebrand now it's pointless people just don't get it lol

You're done as you know I am right and you can't answer it properly (If we played in blue and tan had still invested the money), its a simple question

People wear the red because they're supporting the team... Who at the moment wear red...

New fans... Old fans ..... All wearing red and waving there free scarfs,Supporting the team..

That's not to difficult to understand,nor is it different from any supporter who stands in Blue... Because they are also supporting the team.