Laudrup pay your tax bill!!!

Brownie your a rite one to talk it wasnt so long ago you didnt pay your election campaign bill

Chris Bruni-Lowe, Ukip’s general election campaign coordinator, said: “Adam Brown told us he could not afford to pay a General Election campaign printing bill for £3,500. As his own agent in Merthyr he had a legal responsibility to both pay the bill and sign a declaration relating to his election expenses. He did neither.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales ... er-1914008

half a story again hey!!!!! First of all that was NOT my bill as it was the parties which SHOULD have been covered by UKIPs Welsh MEP's 10% donation out of his salary at the time. This was agreed with the party and hense my offer to resign from the group when this failed to happen.

But you did neither to get it payed as it says above

Yeah and you have proof of that do you bearing in mind there was a court case which I won over it..? So if you do have proof then I would like to see this false evidence

Click the link and read it then brownie it says in the quote above and on walesonline....... " HE DID NEITHER" .......

Check the date!!! That may give you a idea bearing in mind the court case was in 2011!!

The date proves nothing brownie im just saying what it says in the quote you nutter ...... You did neither.....He who throws stones an all that

Why are the majority of jacks, bitter, horrible, Cardiff obsessed scum? They wonder why we hate them!

A Cardiff fan has posted a thread which shows obsession towards our manager.

Several moderators on here showed obsession towards our manager and his situation in this thread http://cardiffcityforum.co.uk/viewtopic ... 2&t=114199 as well in this thread http://cardiffcityforum.co.uk/viewtopic ... 2&t=113800 .

The only reason I post on here is because there are new Swansea City threads on here every day.

As for the debate with Tan, we are in a position to financially judge you due to our current owners, who are currently making us the best run team in the country with £0 debt. You do have debt, there's no denying that (even though you're trying to) and Vincent Tan is certainly not somebody you can trust. He's not a billionaire, he's a multi millionaire, but just because he's got money doesn't mean you should trust him, he's changed his mind on the rebrand twice and based on some of his comments I don't see how any Cardiff fan can actually trust that he'll convert his debt to equity.

Before you get on your high horse, you only have no debt because you had a CVA and paid off 5% of what was owed.

You will NEVER be in a position to preach to anyone with any credibility about it.

Had you not written off your debts you would probably be playing Newport County next season not us.

We have NEVER gone into admin or had CVA's so even if out debt reaches £1000 BILLION you will never be in a position to take any moral high ground.

Well said lawnmower. Horrible piece of vermin this SCFC chap is!

Why are the majority of jacks, bitter, horrible, Cardiff obsessed scum? They wonder why we hate them!

A Cardiff fan has posted a thread which shows obsession towards our manager.

Several moderators on here showed obsession towards our manager and his situation in this thread http://cardiffcityforum.co.uk/viewtopic ... 2&t=114199 as well in this thread http://cardiffcityforum.co.uk/viewtopic ... 2&t=113800 .

The only reason I post on here is because there are new Swansea City threads on here every day.

As for the debate with Tan, we are in a position to financially judge you due to our current owners, who are currently making us the best run team in the country with £0 debt. You do have debt, there's no denying that (even though you're trying to) and Vincent Tan is certainly not somebody you can trust. He's not a billionaire, he's a multi millionaire, but just because he's got money doesn't mean you should trust him, he's changed his mind on the rebrand twice and based on some of his comments I don't see how any Cardiff fan can actually trust that he'll convert his debt to equity.

I think you will find he is a billionaire unless of course you are questioning the validity of the forbes billionaires list

Brownie your a rite one to talk it wasnt so long ago you didnt pay your election campaign bill

Chris Bruni-Lowe, Ukip’s general election campaign coordinator, said: “Adam Brown told us he could not afford to pay a General Election campaign printing bill for £3,500. As his own agent in Merthyr he had a legal responsibility to both pay the bill and sign a declaration relating to his election expenses. He did neither.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales ... er-1914008

half a story again hey!!!!! First of all that was NOT my bill as it was the parties which SHOULD have been covered by UKIPs Welsh MEP's 10% donation out of his salary at the time. This was agreed with the party and hense my offer to resign from the group when this failed to happen.

But you did neither to get it payed as it says above

Yeah and you have proof of that do you bearing in mind there was a court case which I won over it..? So if you do have proof then I would like to see this false evidence

Click the link and read it then brownie it says in the quote above and on walesonline....... " HE DID NEITHER" .......

Check the date!!! That may give you a idea bearing in mind the court case was in 2011!! [/quote]
The date proves nothing brownie im just saying what it says in the quote you nutter ...... You did neither.....He who throws stones an all that [/quote]

A quote is a quote but may I remind you that I was out of the country when that quote was made so I couldn't have a proper right to reply. However whether a quote is correct is another thing and this case it wasn't so maybe get your facts right before you get served humble pie

A quote is a quote but may I remind you that I was out of the country when that quote was made so I couldn't have a proper right to reply. However whether a quote is correct is another thing and this case it wasn't so maybe get your facts right before you get served humble pie

You couldnt serve me humble pie as everyones used it all up on you so theres none left on here

A quote is a quote but may I remind you that I was out of the country when that quote was made so I couldn't have a proper right to reply. However whether a quote is correct is another thing and this case it wasn't so maybe get your facts right before you get served humble pie

You couldnt serve me humble pie as everyones used it all up on you so theres none left on here

Well given the fact that once again you have tried and failed to pin something on me by using old and incorrect information then I'm sure there are some leftovers. Due an apology maybe..?

A quote is a quote but may I remind you that I was out of the country when that quote was made so I couldn't have a proper right to reply. However whether a quote is correct is another thing and this case it wasn't so maybe get your facts right before you get served humble pie

You couldnt serve me humble pie as everyones used it all up on you so theres none left on here

Well given the fact that once again you have tried and failed to pin something on me by using old and incorrect information then I'm sure there are some leftovers. Do an apology maybe..?

Its not incorrect its what was said at the time how can i pin something on you WALESONLINE said it, its in MY LINK, what planet are you on

A quote is a quote but may I remind you that I was out of the country when that quote was made so I couldn't have a proper right to reply. However whether a quote is correct is another thing and this case it wasn't so maybe get your facts right before you get served humble pie

You couldnt serve me humble pie as everyones used it all up on you so theres none left on here

Well given the fact that once again you have tried and failed to pin something on me by using old and incorrect information then I'm sure there are some leftovers. Do an apology maybe..?

Its not incorrect its what was said at the time how can i pin something on you WALESONLINE said it, its in MY LINK, what planet are you on

A quote was factually INCORRECT!!! is that really hard to understand..? You are using OLD and INCORRECT information to try and back up your false arguement. The true facts were stated at the court and thats why I won the case

A quote is a quote but may I remind you that I was out of the country when that quote was made so I couldn't have a proper right to reply. However whether a quote is correct is another thing and this case it wasn't so maybe get your facts right before you get served humble pie

You couldnt serve me humble pie as everyones used it all up on you so theres none left on here

Well given the fact that once again you have tried and failed to pin something on me by using old and incorrect information then I'm sure there are some leftovers. Do an apology maybe..?

Its not incorrect its what was said at the time how can i pin something on you WALESONLINE said it, its in MY LINK, what planet are you on

A quote was factually INCORRECT!!! is that really hard to understand..? You are using OLD and INCORRECT information to try and back up your false arguement. The true facts were stated at the court and thats why I won the case

Chris Bruni-Lowe, Ukip’s general election campaign coordinator, said: “Adam Brown told us he could not afford to pay a General Election campaign printing bill for £3,500. As his own agent in Merthyr he had a legal responsibility to both pay the bill and sign a declaration relating to his election expenses. He did neither.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales ... er-1914008

A quote is a quote but may I remind you that I was out of the country when that quote was made so I couldn't have a proper right to reply. However whether a quote is correct is another thing and this case it wasn't so maybe get your facts right before you get served humble pie

You couldnt serve me humble pie as everyones used it all up on you so theres none left on here

Well given the fact that once again you have tried and failed to pin something on me by using old and incorrect information then I'm sure there are some leftovers. Do an apology maybe..?

Its not incorrect its what was said at the time how can i pin something on you WALESONLINE said it, its in MY LINK, what planet are you on

A quote was factually INCORRECT!!! is that really hard to understand..? You are using OLD and INCORRECT information to try and back up your false arguement. The true facts were stated at the court and thats why I won the case

Chris Bruni-Lowe, Ukip’s general election campaign coordinator, said: “Adam Brown told us he could not afford to pay a General Election campaign printing bill for £3,500. As his own agent in Merthyr he had a legal responsibility to both pay the bill and sign a declaration relating to his election expenses. He did neither.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales ... er-1914008

I did not pay because I was NOT responsible for the bill!!!! The invoices stated UKIP and NOT Adam Brown. If it said Adam Brown then legally I would be responsible.

Get your facts right FFS!!! Because your crap continous week arguements against me are getting tiring as they NEVER stand up!!!

I tell you something. You must be the only person on this forum to think that what the Echo prints is always 100% correct!!!

he will pay his tax bill the minute you pay your £70 million debt.

As far as I am concerned we have paid our debt.

Down to the other side to live up to their side of the deal.

You haven't paid any debts off, in fact you've increased them ffs

Ah yes, but at least we didn't halve ours, divide by four and offer 10% of that as 'settlement' of monies owed, which subsequently ensured a large number of Swansea businesses went out of business through no fault of their own (other than trusting a club they thought was part of their community, of course)

Best you feck off back to the Mumbles, Jack, before you make a bigger tit of yourself, eh?


Q for the 'Mods': Why do we not have a 'smilie' with a tight shaking fist?

It was a mutual agreement. Vincent Tan is trying to make an agreement to pay off less of the debt then is owed to Langstone

Your debt has indeed increased under Tan, it stands at over £110 million according to Annis.

I think it's best to wait until you get the full facts before making a judgement on him, not that I'd expect you to. His agent seems confident that Ajax don't have much of a case.

It was a mutual agreement. Vincent Tan is trying to make an agreement to pay off less of the debt then is owed to Langstone

Your debt has indeed increased under Tan, it stands at over £110 million according to Annis.

I think it's best to wait until you get the full facts before making a judgement on him, not that I'd expect you to. His agent seems confident that Ajax don't have much of a case.

A mutual agreement !

How thick are you ? it was have 5% or f'ck all.

You can try to rewrite history all you want, we were all around then and know what happened.

As for tan and Langston that's nothing to do with the club - 2 businessmen arguing over a debt. Nothing defaulted on whatsoever.

You'll have to try much much harder than that !

It was a mutual agreement. Vincent Tan is trying to make an agreement to pay off less of the debt then is owed to Langstone

Your debt has indeed increased under Tan, it stands at over £110 million according to Annis.

I think it's best to wait until you get the full facts before making a judgement on him, not that I'd expect you to. His agent seems confident that Ajax don't have much of a case.

A mutual agreement !

How thick are you ? it was have 5% or f'ck all.

You can try to rewrite history all you want, we were all around then and know what happened.

As for tan and Langston that's nothing to do with the club - 2 businessmen arguing over a debt. Nothing defaulted on whatsoever.

You'll have to try much much harder than that !

Each and every one of those companies benefited from the Company Voluntary Agreement which helped us stay in business and have had plenty of business put their way on our journey from that point to the Premier League. This nonsense about all these businesses going bust is just that, nonsense. The debt to local businesses was around £65k in total and spread out over numerous companies.

Your fans have sat back over the years while megalomaniac after megalomaniac fed you things you wanted to hear about being bigger than Barcelona, Golden ticket schemes so your manager can spend all of next years money 6 months early etc and let your club get into such a state that it owes over £100m and as a result didn't have a leg to stand on when someone came in and decided to rip up your traditions.

That's not rewriting history, those are the facts.

It was a mutual agreement. Vincent Tan is trying to make an agreement to pay off less of the debt then is owed to Langstone

Your debt has indeed increased under Tan, it stands at over £110 million according to Annis.

I think it's best to wait until you get the full facts before making a judgement on him, not that I'd expect you to. His agent seems confident that Ajax don't have much of a case.

A mutual agreement !

How thick are you ? it was have 5% or f'ck all.

You can try to rewrite history all you want, we were all around then and know what happened.

As for tan and Langston that's nothing to do with the club - 2 businessmen arguing over a debt. Nothing defaulted on whatsoever.

You'll have to try much much harder than that !

Each and every one of those companies benefited from the Company Voluntary Agreement which helped us stay in business and have had plenty of business put their way on our journey from that point to the Premier League. This nonsense about all these businesses going bust is just that, nonsense. The debt to local businesses was around £65k in total and spread out over numerous companies.

Your fans have sat back over the years while megalomaniac after megalomaniac fed you things you wanted to hear about being bigger than Barcelona, Golden ticket schemes so your manager can spend all of next years money 6 months early etc and let your club get into such a state that it owes over £100m and as a result didn't have a leg to stand on when someone came in and decided to rip up your traditions.

That's not rewriting history, those are the facts.

I don't wish to enter this argument , but that is a lie. My brother's company folded because of the CVA.

It was a mutual agreement. Vincent Tan is trying to make an agreement to pay off less of the debt then is owed to Langstone

Your debt has indeed increased under Tan, it stands at over £110 million according to Annis.

I think it's best to wait until you get the full facts before making a judgement on him, not that I'd expect you to. His agent seems confident that Ajax don't have much of a case.

A mutual agreement !

How thick are you ? it was have 5% or f'ck all.

You can try to rewrite history all you want, we were all around then and know what happened.

As for tan and Langston that's nothing to do with the club - 2 businessmen arguing over a debt. Nothing defaulted on whatsoever.

You'll have to try much much harder than that !

Each and every one of those companies benefited from the Company Voluntary Agreement which helped us stay in business and have had plenty of business put their way on our journey from that point to the Premier League. This nonsense about all these businesses going bust is just that, nonsense. The debt to local businesses was around £65k in total and spread out over numerous companies.

Your fans have sat back over the years while megalomaniac after megalomaniac fed you things you wanted to hear about being bigger than Barcelona, Golden ticket schemes so your manager can spend all of next years money 6 months early etc and let your club get into such a state that it owes over £100m and as a result didn't have a leg to stand on when someone came in and decided to rip up your traditions.

That's not rewriting history, those are the facts.

Bullshit.

They didn't benefit from the CVA- they lost out on 95% of the money owed. it doesn't matter what the values were, they were a big deal at the time, and we all know there were several other debtors. There is now way that you can say they have all benefitted since (have you asked them all, there were dozens) and certainly wouldn't have known that at the time. Who knows if any went bust (remember I didn't say that -as i don't know if it's true without going through the list) but it certainly would have caused hardship... and what about the previous occasion.


You can wriggle and wriggle all you want. It has happened to you, but not to us, so you will NEVER be in a position to preach about debts to us.

Historically you've got one of the worst records of paying your debts in the league - don't forget it wasn't just once, but twice. Our club has suffered due to not going down that path.

The rest of your post is irrelavent to the debate, which is about paying debts.

To be honest i don't know why your lot even bother going on to this subject because you will always have this in your history and it just makes you look stupid.

It was a mutual agreement. Vincent Tan is trying to make an agreement to pay off less of the debt then is owed to Langstone

Your debt has indeed increased under Tan, it stands at over £110 million according to Annis.

I think it's best to wait until you get the full facts before making a judgement on him, not that I'd expect you to. His agent seems confident that Ajax don't have much of a case.

A mutual agreement !

How thick are you ? it was have 5% or f'ck all.

You can try to rewrite history all you want, we were all around then and know what happened.

As for tan and Langston that's nothing to do with the club - 2 businessmen arguing over a debt. Nothing defaulted on whatsoever.

You'll have to try much much harder than that !

Each and every one of those companies benefited from the Company Voluntary Agreement which helped us stay in business and have had plenty of business put their way on our journey from that point to the Premier League. This nonsense about all these businesses going bust is just that, nonsense. The debt to local businesses was around £65k in total and spread out over numerous companies.

Your fans have sat back over the years while megalomaniac after megalomaniac fed you things you wanted to hear about being bigger than Barcelona, Golden ticket schemes so your manager can spend all of next years money 6 months early etc and let your club get into such a state that it owes over £100m and as a result didn't have a leg to stand on when someone came in and decided to rip up your traditions.

That's not rewriting history, those are the facts.

I don't wish to enter this argument , but that is a lie. My brother's company folded because of the CVA.

Jacks like to rewrite history. No-one lost out when they went bust (and that didn't really happen), they never had bucket collections the time before and Cardiff City never won the FA Cup.

It was a mutual agreement. Vincent Tan is trying to make an agreement to pay off less of the debt then is owed to Langstone

Your debt has indeed increased under Tan, it stands at over £110 million according to Annis.

I think it's best to wait until you get the full facts before making a judgement on him, not that I'd expect you to. His agent seems confident that Ajax don't have much of a case.

A mutual agreement !

How thick are you ? it was have 5% or f'ck all.

You can try to rewrite history all you want, we were all around then and know what happened.

As for tan and Langston that's nothing to do with the club - 2 businessmen arguing over a debt. Nothing defaulted on whatsoever.

You'll have to try much much harder than that !

Each and every one of those companies benefited from the Company Voluntary Agreement which helped us stay in business and have had plenty of business put their way on our journey from that point to the Premier League. This nonsense about all these businesses going bust is just that, nonsense. The debt to local businesses was around £65k in total and spread out over numerous companies.

Your fans have sat back over the years while megalomaniac after megalomaniac fed you things you wanted to hear about being bigger than Barcelona, Golden ticket schemes so your manager can spend all of next years money 6 months early etc and let your club get into such a state that it owes over £100m and as a result didn't have a leg to stand on when someone came in and decided to rip up your traditions.

That's not rewriting history, those are the facts.

Bullshit.

They didn't benefit from the CVA- they lost out on 95% of the money owed. it doesn't matter what the values were, they were a big deal at the time, and we all know there were several other debtors. There is now way that you can say they have all benefitted since (have you asked them all, there were dozens) and certainly wouldn't have known that at the time. Who knows if any went bust (remember I didn't say that -as i don't know if it's true without going through the list) but it certainly would have caused hardship... and what about the previous occasion.


You can wriggle and wriggle all you want. It has happened to you, but not to us, so you will NEVER be in a position to preach about debts to us.

Historically you've got one of the worst records of paying your debts in the league - don't forget it wasn't just once, but twice. Our club has suffered due to not going down that path.

The rest of your post is irrelavent to the debate, which is about paying debts.

To be honest i don't know why your lot even bother going on to this subject because you will always have this in your history and it just makes you look stupid.

They would not have benefited from us going out of business, they benefited from us staying in business. It's not hard to comprehend. That's not wriggling or bullshit, it's fact.

The rest of my post is perfectly relevant. It just doesn't suit your agenda.

Tell me, when you were all buying those season tickets early so Dave Jones could spend all that money in the January transfer window, how did you think you were going to be able to afford to keep the club running the next season given all the season ticket money would have been spent?

This from lawnmower. Spot on mate. It won't stop them though, it's the only thing that they perceive to have over us. The sad deluded jacks. I've said before to them that I dropped money in a bucket to keep them going, I'm sure you did too, however I think they're too young to believe us, or choose to conveniently ignore it, they say it was a different regime, and yet keep going on about our past regimes, I call that hippocritical.

It was a mutual agreement. Vincent Tan is trying to make an agreement to pay off less of the debt then is owed to Langstone

Your debt has indeed increased under Tan, it stands at over £110 million according to Annis.

I think it's best to wait until you get the full facts before making a judgement on him, not that I'd expect you to. His agent seems confident that Ajax don't have much of a case.

A mutual agreement !

How thick are you ? it was have 5% or f'ck all.

You can try to rewrite history all you want, we were all around then and know what happened.

As for tan and Langston that's nothing to do with the club - 2 businessmen arguing over a debt. Nothing defaulted on whatsoever.

You'll have to try much much harder than that !

Each and every one of those companies benefited from the Company Voluntary Agreement which helped us stay in business and have had plenty of business put their way on our journey from that point to the Premier League. This nonsense about all these businesses going bust is just that, nonsense. The debt to local businesses was around £65k in total and spread out over numerous companies.

Your fans have sat back over the years while megalomaniac after megalomaniac fed you things you wanted to hear about being bigger than Barcelona, Golden ticket schemes so your manager can spend all of next years money 6 months early etc and let your club get into such a state that it owes over £100m and as a result didn't have a leg to stand on when someone came in and decided to rip up your traditions.

That's not rewriting history, those are the facts.

Bullshit.

They didn't benefit from the CVA- they lost out on 95% of the money owed. it doesn't matter what the values were, they were a big deal at the time, and we all know there were several other debtors. There is now way that you can say they have all benefitted since (have you asked them all, there were dozens) and certainly wouldn't have known that at the time. Who knows if any went bust (remember I didn't say that -as i don't know if it's true without going through the list) but it certainly would have caused hardship... and what about the previous occasion.


You can wriggle and wriggle all you want. It has happened to you, but not to us, so you will NEVER be in a position to preach about debts to us.

Historically you've got one of the worst records of paying your debts in the league - don't forget it wasn't just once, but twice. Our club has suffered due to not going down that path.

The rest of your post is irrelavent to the debate, which is about paying debts.

To be honest i don't know why your lot even bother going on to this subject because you will always have this in your history and it just makes you look stupid.

They would not have benefited from us going out of business, they benefited from us staying in business. It's not hard to comprehend. That's not wriggling or bullshit, it's fact.

The rest of my post is perfectly relevant. It just doesn't suit your agenda.

Tell me, when you were all buying those season tickets early so Dave Jones could spend all that money in the January transfer window, how did you think you were going to be able to afford to keep the club running the next season given all the season ticket money would have been spent?

You stitched them up.

Simple. They had no choice. if your club hadn't spent what they couldn't afford then they wouldn't have lost out.

Don't know where you get your £65k figure from -(is it part of your re-write history book ?) the official documents show £271k of unsecured trade creditors and a total of £1.4m of unsecured creditors. Also £30k of football creditors and a total deficiency of £6m.



£69k is actually the figure that was paid out. Being 5% of the £1.4m



By the way, we bought our season tickets to watch football , which is exactly what happened. You are getting more and more desperate.


Save your preaching for Leicester.

It was a mutual agreement. Vincent Tan is trying to make an agreement to pay off less of the debt then is owed to Langstone

Your debt has indeed increased under Tan, it stands at over £110 million according to Annis.

I think it's best to wait until you get the full facts before making a judgement on him, not that I'd expect you to. His agent seems confident that Ajax don't have much of a case.

A mutual agreement !

How thick are you ? it was have 5% or f'ck all.

You can try to rewrite history all you want, we were all around then and know what happened.

As for tan and Langston that's nothing to do with the club - 2 businessmen arguing over a debt. Nothing defaulted on whatsoever.

You'll have to try much much harder than that !

Each and every one of those companies benefited from the Company Voluntary Agreement which helped us stay in business and have had plenty of business put their way on our journey from that point to the Premier League. This nonsense about all these businesses going bust is just that, nonsense. The debt to local businesses was around £65k in total and spread out over numerous companies.

Your fans have sat back over the years while megalomaniac after megalomaniac fed you things you wanted to hear about being bigger than Barcelona, Golden ticket schemes so your manager can spend all of next years money 6 months early etc and let your club get into such a state that it owes over £100m and as a result didn't have a leg to stand on when someone came in and decided to rip up your traditions.

That's not rewriting history, those are the facts.

Bullshit.

They didn't benefit from the CVA- they lost out on 95% of the money owed. it doesn't matter what the values were, they were a big deal at the time, and we all know there were several other debtors. There is now way that you can say they have all benefitted since (have you asked them all, there were dozens) and certainly wouldn't have known that at the time. Who knows if any went bust (remember I didn't say that -as i don't know if it's true without going through the list) but it certainly would have caused hardship... and what about the previous occasion.


You can wriggle and wriggle all you want. It has happened to you, but not to us, so you will NEVER be in a position to preach about debts to us.

Historically you've got one of the worst records of paying your debts in the league - don't forget it wasn't just once, but twice. Our club has suffered due to not going down that path.

The rest of your post is irrelavent to the debate, which is about paying debts.

To be honest i don't know why your lot even bother going on to this subject because you will always have this in your history and it just makes you look stupid.

They would not have benefited from us going out of business, they benefited from us staying in business. It's not hard to comprehend. That's not wriggling or bullshit, it's fact.

The rest of my post is perfectly relevant. It just doesn't suit your agenda.

Tell me, when you were all buying those season tickets early so Dave Jones could spend all that money in the January transfer window, how did you think you were going to be able to afford to keep the club running the next season given all the season ticket money would have been spent?

You stitched them up.

Simple. They had no choice. if your club hadn't spent what they couldn't afford then they wouldn't have lost out.

Don't know where you get your £65k figure from -(is it part of your re-write history book ?) the official documents show £271k of unsecured trade creditors and a total of £1.4m of unsecured creditors. Also £30k of football creditors and a total deficiency of £6m.



£69k is actually the figure that was paid out. Being 5% of the £1.4m



By the way, we bought our season tickets to watch football , which is exactly what happened. You are getting more and more desperate.


Save your preaching for Leicester.

£65k is the approx figure owed to local businesses that we are always told we shafted for millions.

I see you wriggled out of answering my question about how you expected the club to fund the following season.

You've always been the same, someone dangles a golden carrot in front of you and you all are hypnotised.

Rattle, rattle, rattle, shake, shake, shake, c'mon people put your money in the buckets for swansea or they'll be out of business, c'mon folks it's a Welsh club after all, rattle, rattle, rattle.

Any city fans who put money in that bucket to help Swansea needs to take a long, hard look at themselves.

A mutual agreement !

How thick are you ? it was have 5% or f'ck all.

You can try to rewrite history all you want, we were all around then and know what happened.

As for tan and Langston that's nothing to do with the club - 2 businessmen arguing over a debt. Nothing defaulted on whatsoever.

You'll have to try much much harder than that ![/quote]

Each and every one of those companies benefited from the Company Voluntary Agreement which helped us stay in business and have had plenty of business put their way on our journey from that point to the Premier League. This nonsense about all these businesses going bust is just that, nonsense. The debt to local businesses was around £65k in total and spread out over numerous companies.

Your fans have sat back over the years while megalomaniac after megalomaniac fed you things you wanted to hear about being bigger than Barcelona, Golden ticket schemes so your manager can spend all of next years money 6 months early etc and let your club get into such a state that it owes over £100m and as a result didn't have a leg to stand on when someone came in and decided to rip up your traditions.

That's not rewriting history, those are the facts.[/quote]

Bullshit.

They didn't benefit from the CVA- they lost out on 95% of the money owed. it doesn't matter what the values were, they were a big deal at the time, and we all know there were several other debtors. There is now way that you can say they have all benefitted since (have you asked them all, there were dozens) and certainly wouldn't have known that at the time. Who knows if any went bust (remember I didn't say that -as i don't know if it's true without going through the list) but it certainly would have caused hardship... and what about the previous occasion.


You can wriggle and wriggle all you want. It has happened to you, but not to us, so you will NEVER be in a position to preach about debts to us.

Historically you've got one of the worst records of paying your debts in the league - don't forget it wasn't just once, but twice. Our club has suffered due to not going down that path.

The rest of your post is irrelavent to the debate, which is about paying debts.

To be honest i don't know why your lot even bother going on to this subject because you will always have this in your history and it just makes you look stupid.[/quote]


They would not have benefited from us going out of business, they benefited from us staying in business. It's not hard to comprehend. That's not wriggling or bullshit, it's fact.

The rest of my post is perfectly relevant. It just doesn't suit your agenda.

Tell me, when you were all buying those season tickets early so Dave Jones could spend all that money in the January transfer window, how did you think you were going to be able to afford to keep the club running the next season given all the season ticket money would have been spent?[/quote]

You stitched them up.

Simple. They had no choice. if your club hadn't spent what they couldn't afford then they wouldn't have lost out.

Don't know where you get your £65k figure from -(is it part of your re-write history book ?) the official documents show £271k of unsecured trade creditors and a total of £1.4m of unsecured creditors. Also £30k of football creditors and a total deficiency of £6m.



£69k is actually the figure that was paid out. Being 5% of the £1.4m



By the way, we bought our season tickets to watch football , which is exactly what happened. You are getting more and more desperate.


Save your preaching for Leicester.[/quote]

£65k is the approx figure owed to local businesses that we are always told we shafted for millions.

I see you wriggled out of answering my question about how you expected the club to fund the following season.

You've always been the same, someone dangles a golden carrot in front of you and you all are hypnotised.[/quote]

You want to choose which creditors matter ? Why am I not surprised.

Those figures I've quoted are what you owed - they are FACT. You went bust, owing a millions, full stop. Your debts were twice what we had pre-Sam, without dumping them you'd probably be fighting it out with Newport now. Oh and it wasn't the first time.

You are still smarting as you've been dreaming we'd go bust for the past 10 years. Creeping on CCMB, offering advice then crowing to your Jack mates on planetpeg about how we were going through - well guess what, we are still here and with the title in our hands.

As for your question ref the season tickets,it's just a shit question, with no relevence to the debate which is .. you screwed your creditors twice and are still obsessed by our debt. It makes you look stupid, which you clearly are... and the answer for you is who cares, our great support, buying 18000 season tickets kept us going, we survived and still haven't gone bust.

This NJ73 is a having a mare here