" Even if you wanted to Vote/Thousands couldn't "

The opportunity to vote if there is more than 1 ST per household is there, even if you only have 1 email, as each vote has have a name and fan number included with it.

Having said that the failure of the club to offer "Blue" as an option in my opinion invalidates the poll. Remember at the time of the rebrand we were promised a "Fans Forum" to discuss the design of future playing strips and of course the badge. That never happened, why? Because in my opinion the club know full well "Blue" would have been included in all designs, maybe not as the primary colour, but it would have been included and the dragon which done such an excellent job of protecting the Bluebird last season would have gone.

This would have been a good opportunity for the club to practice what it preaches i.e. it's claim of an ALL INCLUSIVE ETHOS, but the powers that be know full well any option of "Blue" would have won massive support.

But the ETHOS of our club is much like Henry Ford and his colour choice for his Model T, but for Cardiff City fans the poll says you can have any colour you want except "Blue".


ALL INCLUSIVE - MY ARSE.

All very true Gary and I don't argue with the logic. But at the time of the rebrand we gave up blue as our primary colour in exchange for a £100m investment on infrastructure projects and team strengthening.

So can we now moan about not having a blue option? I personally don't think we can although I think we can certainly have an input on the badge and away kit.

So a fans forum could certainly make a positive contribution on those matters and it is frustrating that never happened.

Tony my understanding of the Fans Forum was it could come up with any design as long as the primary colour was Red, and I believe that any designs coming from a fans forum would have had "Blue" within it. Now it could have been just the trim around the sleeves or socks and maybe the shorts but it would have been in there.

The club know this and in my opinion that's why Blue has not been offered, and sadly I now believe as long as VT is involved with the club our traditional colour is gone for ever. It will be interesting if we struggle next season what VT take on "Lucky Red" will be.

Look we are where we are today in no small way because of VT and the money he has put into the club but his investment has come at a price. Rather than make ludicrous claims about an All Inclusive Ethos why not have a bit of honesty and just say as a club we do have an all inclusive ethos except when it comes to colour because Cardiff City FC is my train set and I want it Red and you don't matter.

Remember in VT own words if 25% of us leave because of the rebrand that's OK because we have entered the age of the replaceable customers.

Now what colour Model T do you want.

Dicey you have made comments please back them up, show me where I am wrong on this?

Do you think that the club needed to give anyone a vote if they didn't want to ?

You have already said in a previous thread accusing the club of getting us to vote on their rebrand and now your having a whinge because you can't vote on a colour your not happy with.

I am showing that half the fans can not vote if they wanted too, prove me wrong please?


So what's the point of the vote as its not allowed everyone to vote true or not, please answer?

Or do you not like to admit when your wrong?
Also where is the vote on the Blue? II know your not bothered but I am.

Statistically 12,000 is a pretty big sample size and should indicate the most favoured choice among the options given.

I also would of preferred blue but like I said the club didn't even have to give us a choice. I might be wrong but I can't recall any other club letting their fans vote on any part of their kit. I'm sure someone will tell me other wise.

You say I'm not bothered , but I was angered by the two tone shorts and certainly sore red.

Doncaster , chesterfield and Shrewsbury have done it this year .
Birmingham did it 2/3 years ago if I remember right .
Chesterfield voted for our kit


These are the new Chesterfield kits 2013/14, the new home and away playing uniforms for League Two sides Chesterfield FC for the 2013/2014 season. These new Chesterfield FC shirts have been made by Puma and were revealed on April 23, 2013, with voting done by the club’s fans.

The new kits don’t have any sponsor yet, as can be seen in the pics below. First up is the home shirt, which is pretty much the same design as the newly released 13/14 Wolverhampton kit ( also made by Puma). Below that is the new away kit for the Spireites, who at the time of writing, are still with a shout of making it

You got me

Yes there's that horrible kit that Tan designed .

I'm not a season ticket holder however i think that everyone on the email database with a record of purchasing tickets etc should have been given a chance!

The club has to draw the line somewhere and I think taking a pole of season ticket holders is the right thing to do.

It is similar to when Cup Final tickets are issued and we get all and sundry coming out of the woodwork and claiming they are a special case for dispensation.

Every February I fork out £300+ up front for something I'm not going to use for 6 months and I won't get the full benefit of for another 9 months by which time I would have purchased another season ticket and the cycle continues. Also I am buying without the knowledge of what will happen during the season promotion/relegation/administration or change of ownership.

That commitments has to be recognised by the club and is a commitment well above picking and choosing games on a cherry picking basis.

Therefore Season Ticket Holders rightly get the vote.

Don't agree , I know quite a few people who go to EVERY home game and a few away and have done for years but only work part time or get paid weekly who pay on the day . They can't afford to sign into a contract for a season ticket or have fines for direct debits bouncing if there wages don't go in on time so have to pay as you go as such . Does that make them less of a fan than you ? Some of these boys have done this for years and years .
There should be a loyalty card for fans who can't take the season ticket route with there picture on that gets swiped every time they buy a ticket . This should count as a season ticket and get the same perks .

Sorry mate you are back on "I'm a special case" territory.

No-one is claiming that season ticket holders are 'better fans' although they would have a very good case for claiming that.

What I said was that from the clubs point of view they have to look after those who show the biggest commitment. To fork out £329 6 months in advance is a very big commitment. Paying on the day cannot possibly compare with that because ST Holders are paying without any knowledge of what the season holds whilst a pay on the dayer can be fickle if things start going badly.

You can't honestly believe the club should take unknown personal circumstances into consideration? How the hell would they know you can't afford to arrange your finances adequately and that entitles you to a vote? That's absolute nonsense.

The hard fact is a season ticket holder has paid to watch 23 (now 19) games in advance and they are the ones who will have to put up with the home kit more than anyone, so rightly they get to vote.

There's no conspiracy theory here.

Season Ticket holders have the ability to accept mailing drops or not. My wife and daughter have NEVER unsubscribed from the mail shot so get them all the time and just delete them. I, on the other hand, unsubscribed a year ago.

I therefore did not have an email and my pair did.

It said right at the beginning that the emails would go out to season ticket holders WITH A REGISTERED EMAIL.

This cannot go on and on and on. Had the club contacted all ST holders it would have taken physical letters to addresses, why the expense in both time and cash when you can get just as good a representation from 12,000 emails.

We know the club are not in sync with the fans, but come on, sometimes we want the moon on a stick.

I agree that there was no way of contacting enough season ticket holders in such a short time other than by email and we should be grateful the club have made the effort.

However, if this is a true 'we will listen to you' exercise then they should be planning a better and more inclusive survey for future kit releases.

Don't mistake this survey as a sign of things to come. It's a reaction to overwhelming laughter at the colour of the shorts.

Clubs around the country very rarely stick options out and I don't expect is to get it again any time in the future.

I stated straight after the options were shown that soon people would be annoyed because not everyone got a vote. This is a knee jerk reaction to a fan uprising. We are a bit blinkered as fans if we think all our voices should be heard or even listened to. Yet many think the game is all about the fans, when that train left the station decades ago without even as whimper from the fans.

I'm not a season ticket holder however i think that everyone on the email database with a record of purchasing tickets etc should have been given a chance!

The club has to draw the line somewhere and I think taking a pole of season ticket holders is the right thing to do.

It is similar to when Cup Final tickets are issued and we get all and sundry coming out of the woodwork and claiming they are a special case for dispensation.

Every February I fork out £300+ up front for something I'm not going to use for 6 months and I won't get the full benefit of for another 9 months by which time I would have purchased another season ticket and the cycle continues. Also I am buying without the knowledge of what will happen during the season promotion/relegation/administration or change of ownership.

That commitments has to be recognised by the club and is a commitment well above picking and choosing games on a cherry picking basis.

Therefore Season Ticket Holders rightly get the vote.

Don't agree , I know quite a few people who go to EVERY home game and a few away and have done for years but only work part time or get paid weekly who pay on the day . They can't afford to sign into a contract for a season ticket or have fines for direct debits bouncing if there wages don't go in on time so have to pay as you go as such . Does that make them less of a fan than you ? Some of these boys have done this for years and years .
There should be a loyalty card for fans who can't take the season ticket route with there picture on that gets swiped every time they buy a ticket . This should count as a season ticket and get the same perks .

Sorry mate you are back on "I'm a special case" territory.

No-one is claiming that season ticket holders are 'better fans' although they would have a very good case for claiming that.

What I said was that from the clubs point of view they have to look after those who show the biggest commitment. To fork out £329 6 months in advance is a very big commitment. Paying on the day cannot possibly compare with that because ST Holders are paying without any knowledge of what the season holds whilst a pay on the dayer can be fickle if things start going badly.

You can't honestly believe the club should take unknown personal circumstances into consideration? How the hell would they know you can't afford to arrange your finances adequately and that entitles you to a vote? That's absolute nonsense.

The hard fact is a season ticket holder has paid to watch 23 (now 19) games in advance and they are the ones who will have to put up with the home kit more than anyone, so rightly they get to vote.

Your wrong . If people can only afford to pay weekly then that's not there fault sometimes life just works out that way .
They Actually paya lot more than season ticket holders . Not everybody is lucky enough to be able to pay for a s/t , there's probably hundreds of fans who are in this position so they try and use the demand based pricing as much as possible and stay a game or so ahead of themselves . So technically they are paying in advance , a loyalty scheme for these fans is badly needed especially for big games . Is it fair 2 of the guys I go with havnt missed a home game in nearly 5 years and only a handful in probably 10 will struggle next year because they are not fortunate enough to be able to commit to a season ticket ?

Tony my understanding of the Fans Forum was it could come up with any design as long as the primary colour was Red, and I believe that any designs coming from a fans forum would have had "Blue" within it. Now it could have been just the trim around the sleeves or socks and maybe the shorts but it would have been in there.

The club know this and in my opinion that's why Blue has not been offered, and sadly I now believe as long as VT is involved with the club our traditional colour is gone for ever. It will be interesting if we struggle next season what VT take on "Lucky Red" will be.

Look we are where we are today in no small way because of VT and the money he has put into the club but his investment has come at a price. Rather than make ludicrous claims about an All Inclusive Ethos why not have a bit of honesty and just say as a club we do have an all inclusive ethos except when it comes to colour because Cardiff City FC is my train set and I want it Red and you don't matter.

Remember in VT own words if 25% of us leave because of the rebrand that's OK because we have entered the age of the replaceable customers.

Now what colour Model T do you want.

Gary I can't remember anything about blue being included in the trim, the rebrand was simply red for blue. The fans forum was more to do with designing an acceptable crest/badge and I share your frustration that it never happened.

Therefore I stand by what I said I really don't think we can moan about a lack of blue and yes VT can have his red Model T if he wants to because he is paying £100m for the privilege. Although I would agree that we need some clarity on this, I suspect we wouldn't like the answer.

After all VT was brutally truthful when he said if 25% of you walk away then you will be replaced easily. Is he wrong? I don't think so that's why I have been in favour of working with VT rather than against him so we can keep our most loyal fans such as BakedAlaska and others on board with hope of a realistic return to blue one day. Unfortunately that means we finally have to accept that blue in our home kit is off the agenda for now as part of the terms of the rebrand investment.

I'll admit I was baffled by the all inclusive ethos statement?? It certainly needs further explaining but I suppose this pole will be used as some kind of proof even if it doesn't include ALL season ticket holders

4 of us were eligible but only wife and I were able to vote as my boys have not given their e mail address

Your wrong . If people can only afford to pay weekly then that's not there fault sometimes life just works out that way .
They Actually paya lot more than season ticket holders . Not everybody is lucky enough to be able to pay for a s/t , there's probably hundreds of fans who are in this position so they try and use the demand based pricing as much as possible and stay a game or so ahead of themselves . So technically they are paying in advance , a loyalty scheme for these fans is badly needed especially for big games . Is it fair 2 of the guys I go with havnt missed a home game in nearly 5 years and only a handful in probably 10 will struggle next year because they are not fortunate enough to be able to commit to a season ticket ?

No I'm not wrong. All you are doing now is rehashing some poor victim rhetoric.

I'll let you into a secret I'm not rich I simply save up to buy a season ticket. I know every February they will go on sale so I put a bit by every month so I can purchase one when they go on sale. I have loads of other commitments including paying for my 2 daughters through regular payments to the CSA. I also save for Christmas, summer holidays and my daughters trust funds.

So why you can play the 'I can't afford it' card and expect the same rights and privileges as me is quite baffling. As I said it comes down to commitment. I would be much better off if I didn't save for a season ticket but I do and in recognition of that the club gives me first dips on Cup Final Tickets and amazingly voting on what colour the shorts of our home kit should be.

Well said cheque mate i think.

Your wrong . If people can only afford to pay weekly then that's not there fault sometimes life just works out that way .
They Actually paya lot more than season ticket holders . Not everybody is lucky enough to be able to pay for a s/t , there's probably hundreds of fans who are in this position so they try and use the demand based pricing as much as possible and stay a game or so ahead of themselves . So technically they are paying in advance , a loyalty scheme for these fans is badly needed especially for big games . Is it fair 2 of the guys I go with havnt missed a home game in nearly 5 years and only a handful in probably 10 will struggle next year because they are not fortunate enough to be able to commit to a season ticket ?

No I'm not wrong. All you are doing now is rehashing some poor victim rhetoric.

I'll let you into a secret I'm not rich I simply save up to buy a season ticket. I know every February they will go on sale so I put a bit by every month so I can purchase one when they go on sale. I have loads of other commitments including paying for my 2 daughters through regular payments to the CSA. I also save for Christmas, summer holidays and my daughters trust funds.

So why you can play the 'I can't afford it' card and expect the same rights and privileges as me is quite baffling. As I said it comes down to commitment. I would be much better off if I didn't save for a season ticket but I do and in recognition of that the club gives me first dips on Cup Final Tickets and amazingly voting on what colour the shorts of our home kit should be.

As do I . I am a season ticket holder and have been for years . Not everybody is as lucky as us to be able to do such a thing . Everybody's circumstances are different and others are not lucky enough to be able to save for such things . They show huge commitment to the club by scraping enough money together to be able to afford to support there club . That shows as much commitment in my eyes to the club as anybody who is a season ticket holder .
All I'm saying is a loyalty card with a picture and proof of purchase should be considered for the less well off fans and if they can prove they attend every game under there card then that should entitle them to a vote on such things and tickets to big games like wembley .

I checked with the ticket office whether they had my email details so I could vote, which they confirmed, yet still didn't recieve an email......Poor show city!

As do I . I am a season ticket holder and have been for years . Not everybody is as lucky as us to be able to do such a thing . Everybody's circumstances are different and others are not lucky enough to be able to save for such things . They show huge commitment to the club by scraping enough money together to be able to afford to support there club . That shows as much commitment in my eyes to the club as anybody who is a season ticket holder .
All I'm saying is a loyalty card with a picture and proof of purchase should be considered for the less well off fans and if they can prove they attend every game under there card then that should entitle them to a vote on such things and tickets to big games like wembley .

Well you never said anything about a loyalty scheme which is quite another matter.

However, that doesn't change the fact that season ticket holders are the easiest way of the club identifying the most committed supporters, they can't possibly know everyone's individual circumstances. That and other stated reasons are why ST Holders receive the most benefits that the club can offer.

All the good work that's been done and then two more massive banana skins. The unveiling of the shit kit/shit badge, then, after outrage, a non-vote on the shorts as some sort of gift to us. The club has done so well in almost all other areas but this is being handled like a bad comedy. Neutrals are in disbelief of how we're being treated. I'm emailing the club simply for a return to blue at home and to have red as a second strip. It won't change a thing but that's my wish as a lifetime fan - I don't see it as an option and there was supposed to be fan consultancy. And all this nonsense has had a detrimental effect on the Babes and Boobs thread. I may put a pic of Jo Joyner up later to bump it up.

As do I . I am a season ticket holder and have been for years . Not everybody is as lucky as us to be able to do such a thing . Everybody's circumstances are different and others are not lucky enough to be able to save for such things . They show huge commitment to the club by scraping enough money together to be able to afford to support there club . That shows as much commitment in my eyes to the club as anybody who is a season ticket holder .
All I'm saying is a loyalty card with a picture and proof of purchase should be considered for the less well off fans and if they can prove they attend every game under there card then that should entitle them to a vote on such things and tickets to big games like wembley .

Well you never said anything about a loyalty scheme which is quite another matter.

However, that doesn't change the fact that season ticket holders are the easiest way of the club identifying the most committed supporters, they can't possibly know everyone's individual circumstances. That and other stated reasons are why ST Holders receive the most benefits that the club can offer.

I mentioned it in my first reply .
I don't see myself any more important from any other fan / supporter / customer whatever we are called now .
I just realise that some people have a huge passion for this club but have no real way of showing it apart from scraping by every week to be able to show it . A scheme that they can put there name to by swiping the card everygame at the ticket office as they pay would help these fans out when it comes to certain games or votes etc .
If they prove they've paid for and attended everygame through this I believe they should have the same perks as a season ticket holder that's all I'm trying to say .

I mentioned it in my first reply .
I don't see myself any more important from any other fan / supporter / customer whatever we are called now .
I just realise that some people have a huge passion for this club but have no real way of showing it apart from scraping by every week to be able to show it . A scheme that they can put there name to by swiping the card everygame at the ticket office as they pay would help these fans out when it comes to certain games or votes etc .
If they prove they've paid for and attended everygame through this I believe they should have the same perks as a season ticket holder that's all I'm trying to say .

Who are these people? On average we sold around 3/4000 on walk up fans last season and most of those were away fans. Amazingly we reach the Premier League and there is suddenly a 2000 fan waiting list. So logic tells you that these poor hard done by fans can suddenly find the money when we reach the PL?

Even if I'm wrong and the waiting lists contain 2000 'new' fans we are still talking about a very very small amount of fans who pay at the gate for every game, in the hundreds at best but more likely in the tens.

I'll be honest with you Thomas I think you are just scratching around because you have lost the argument and you want the precious last word.

I mentioned it in my first reply .
I don't see myself any more important from any other fan / supporter / customer whatever we are called now .
I just realise that some people have a huge passion for this club but have no real way of showing it apart from scraping by every week to be able to show it . A scheme that they can put there name to by swiping the card everygame at the ticket office as they pay would help these fans out when it comes to certain games or votes etc .
If they prove they've paid for and attended everygame through this I believe they should have the same perks as a season ticket holder that's all I'm trying to say .

Who are these people? On average we sold around 3/4000 on walk up fans last season and most of those were away fans. Amazingly we reach the Premier League and there is suddenly a 2000 fan waiting list. So logic tells you that these poor hard done by fans can suddenly find the money when we reach the PL?

Even if I'm wrong and the waiting lists contain 2000 'new' fans we are still talking about a very very small amount of fans who pay at the gate for every game, in the hundreds at best but more likely in the tens.

I'll be honest with you Thomas I think you are just scratching around because you have lost the argument and you want the precious last word.

No need for me to have the last word , I wasn't arguing it was a discussion to me , I know a few 2/3 in my group alone . It probably is in the hundreds but by no means should they be discarded most are very loyal city fans hopefully this year they sorted themselves out .

I mentioned it in my first reply .
I don't see myself any more important from any other fan / supporter / customer whatever we are called now .
I just realise that some people have a huge passion for this club but have no real way of showing it apart from scraping by every week to be able to show it . A scheme that they can put there name to by swiping the card everygame at the ticket office as they pay would help these fans out when it comes to certain games or votes etc .
If they prove they've paid for and attended everygame through this I believe they should have the same perks as a season ticket holder that's all I'm trying to say .

Who are these people? On average we sold around 3/4000 on walk up fans last season and most of those were away fans. Amazingly we reach the Premier League and there is suddenly a 2000 fan waiting list. So logic tells you that these poor hard done by fans can suddenly find the money when we reach the PL?

Even if I'm wrong and the waiting lists contain 2000 'new' fans we are still talking about a very very small amount of fans who pay at the gate for every game, in the hundreds at best but more likely in the tens.

I'll be honest with you Thomas I think you are just scratching around because you have lost the argument and you want the precious last word.

No need for me to have the last word , I wasn't arguing it was a discussion to me , I know a few 2/3 in my group alone . It probably is in the hundreds but by no means should they be discarded most are very loyal city fans hopefully this year they sorted themselves out .

Well I don't know any, it was quite prevalent years ago when you did pay on the gate but at £30 a throw I doubt there are more than 20 if I'm completely honest.

All 3 in my family got an email.

12000 is a pretty big section of fans although agree its poor if ST holders with an email on the database haven't had one.
Worth checking junk mail mind.

What I don't get is people who kicked off about the two tone red kit are not voting because they want blue shorts. It was pretty obvious we weren't going to have blue shorts before the kit came out, after the kit came out, before the poll options and after the polling options.

Although in theory if they are registering an all blue kit then the club have the option to wear a red top and blue shorts anyway.

I didn't even get 1 vote but I know the email address and I'm going to spam their inbox with the word blue

The opportunity to vote if there is more than 1 ST per household is there, even if you only have 1 email, as each vote has have a name and fan number included with it.

Having said that the failure of the club to offer "Blue" as an option in my opinion invalidates the poll. Remember at the time of the rebrand we were promised a "Fans Forum" to discuss the design of future playing strips and of course the badge. That never happened, why? Because in my opinion the club know full well "Blue" would have been included in all designs, maybe not as the primary colour, but it would have been included and the dragon which done such an excellent job of protecting the Bluebird last season would have gone.

This would have been a good opportunity for the club to practice what it preaches i.e. it's claim of an ALL INCLUSIVE ETHOS, but the powers that be know full well any option of "Blue" would have won massive support.

But the ETHOS of our club is much like Henry Ford and his colour choice for his Model T, but for Cardiff City fans the poll says you can have any colour you want except "Blue".


ALL INCLUSIVE - MY ARSE.

Gary, it's not there and you can only vote of the one email and the club behind the scenes realise they fucked up once again, Loads including my wife never got an email and the club have her email. My oldest daughter should halos be allowed and yes my middle one as well as she has a season ticket.

But let's be honest, why not include a Blue one as well, why because they are frightened of the Truth.

No emails here at all. ST holder for many seasons and nothing...

I get all the other emails okay.

All 3 in my family got an email.

12000 is a pretty big section of fans although agree its poor if ST holders with an email on the database haven't had one.
Worth checking junk mail mind.

What I don't get is people who kicked off about the two tone red kit are not voting because they want blue shorts. It was pretty obvious we weren't going to have blue shorts before the kit came out, after the kit came out, before the poll options and after the polling options.

Although in theory if they are registering an all blue kit then the club have the option to wear a red top and blue shorts anyway.

I had to laugh at that don't know why but it seemed apt.

Good point about the away kit and the option to wear blue shorts at home.

The opportunity to vote if there is more than 1 ST per household is there, even if you only have 1 email, as each vote has have a name and fan number included with it.

Having said that the failure of the club to offer "Blue" as an option in my opinion invalidates the poll. Remember at the time of the rebrand we were promised a "Fans Forum" to discuss the design of future playing strips and of course the badge. That never happened, why? Because in my opinion the club know full well "Blue" would have been included in all designs, maybe not as the primary colour, but it would have been included and the dragon which done such an excellent job of protecting the Bluebird last season would have gone.

This would have been a good opportunity for the club to practice what it preaches i.e. it's claim of an ALL INCLUSIVE ETHOS, but the powers that be know full well any option of "Blue" would have won massive support.

But the ETHOS of our club is much like Henry Ford and his colour choice for his Model T, but for Cardiff City fans the poll says you can have any colour you want except "Blue".


ALL INCLUSIVE - MY ARSE.

Gary, it's not there and you can only vote of the one email and the club behind the scenes realise they fucked up once again, Loads including my wife never got an email and the club have her email. My oldest daughter should halos be allowed and yes my middle one as well as she has a season ticket.

But let's be honest, why not include a Blue one as well, why because they are frightened of the Truth.

TBH you answered your own question as blue would have won by a mile rendering the rebrand pointless, or at least half pointless

The opportunity to vote if there is more than 1 ST per household is there, even if you only have 1 email, as each vote has have a name and fan number included with it.

Having said that the failure of the club to offer "Blue" as an option in my opinion invalidates the poll. Remember at the time of the rebrand we were promised a "Fans Forum" to discuss the design of future playing strips and of course the badge. That never happened, why? Because in my opinion the club know full well "Blue" would have been included in all designs, maybe not as the primary colour, but it would have been included and the dragon which done such an excellent job of protecting the Bluebird last season would have gone.

This would have been a good opportunity for the club to practice what it preaches i.e. it's claim of an ALL INCLUSIVE ETHOS, but the powers that be know full well any option of "Blue" would have won massive support.

But the ETHOS of our club is much like Henry Ford and his colour choice for his Model T, but for Cardiff City fans the poll says you can have any colour you want except "Blue".


ALL INCLUSIVE - MY ARSE.

Gary, it's not there and you can only vote of the one email and the club behind the scenes realise they fucked up once again, Loads including my wife never got an email and the club have her email. My oldest daughter should halos be allowed and yes my middle one as well as she has a season ticket.

But let's be honest, why not include a Blue one as well, why because they are frightened of the Truth.

Sorry Annis I just thought that as there was a warning on the ballot about multiple votes I assumed you could vote more than once. I didn't vote just sent an email stating that I was going to abstain because my preference would be "Blue" and as the option was not available I would abstain.

I'm not expecting a reply from anyone at the club but I won't give up on this and hope others who decided not to vote for the same reason will flood in inbox of someone like Simon Lim or Julian Jenkins asking why our "All Inclusive Ethos" club is not allowing room for our opinions to be heard.

Didnt have any email at all checked inbox, junk and spam ect maybe im not one of the 12k, not that any amount of emails back to the club will change anything eitherway.

I've been a season ticket holder for god knows how long way since Ninian Park and I haven't been given a email to vote.

I haven't got a season ticket but got sent an email directly from Tan.

redgodwilling@live.com is his email address.

Even if you wanted to vote on the colour of the shorts thousands could not.

In my opinion it's a complete farce.

I have 4 Season tickets in my family. I only got one vote, I sent them an email asking for the Blue Shorts.

But if you wanted it to be a fair vote it was never going to be.

My Wife who the club have her email never received an email, neither did I receive the votes for my children.

I have since found out that even though we have 20,000 plus season ticket holders/Prenier seats etc no more than about 12,000 will be able to vote.

Please do not tell me that behind the scenes this club is going forward,because I 100% Believe it is not.

Same for me to. I got four season tickets all on same email address only one vote.

Even if you wanted to vote on the colour of the shorts thousands could not.

I have 4 Season tickets in my family. I only got one vote, I sent them an email asking for the Blue Shorts.

But if you wanted it to be a fair vote it was never going to be.

My Wife who the club have her email never received an email, neither did I receive the votes for my children.

I have since found out that even though we have 20,000 plus season ticket holders/Prenier seats etc no more than about 12,000 will be able to vote.

Please do not tell me that behind the scenes this club is going forward,because I 100% Believe it is not.[/


Honestly Annis , I think your posts are getting a little desperate m8.

Not going forward??

We are in the feckin' Premier League!!

Whilst I agree that every Cardiff City fan should have been able to vote I don't think the outcome would have made any difference (maybe a couple of standard deviations if we want to go into the nitty gritty of mathematics.) as it's still a sample representative of more than half of the season ticket holders.
I'm certain there are houseloads of reds and blues alike.
The problem for the blue corner is that new fans feel an instant identity with the new red colour as they have been there from the very beginnings of this.....for them it's a new and exciting era and they are making the new history.
Lets face it. We have allowed this to happen due to our lack of leadership and unity.
I'm always noticing on this site, if you agree with a point of view you are called an arse licker.
If you don't agree you are called a troublemaker.
I feel Tan's biggest mistake was not consulting the fans and compromising but then i do wonder if he would have been called rotten for compromising with some of the fans and not the others. You just can't win for trying.