A message to Everton fans from their club officials

FFS how is it impossible asking to keep their current badge

Its not impossible to ask, its impossible to obtain, learn the difference. A kid can ask his mother for his dummy all he wants but it doesn't mean she is going to give it to him. The pro blues are asking for too much. Tan isn't going to give them a blue kit. He's said as much 'AT HOME WE'LL ALWAYS BE RED'. His words, not mine, not yours, his! We could ask for a compromise badge but instead people wont compromise so there you have it.

If you're unwilling to compromise you cant blame Tan for being unwilling to compromise either. He's the one with the strong hand remember, he owns the club, he has the money and you dont.

FFS how is it impossible asking to keep their current badge

Its not impossible to ask, its impossible to obtain, learn the difference. A kid can ask his mother for his dummy all he wants but it doesn't mean she is going to give it to him. The pro blues are asking for too much. Tan isn't going to give them a blue kit. He's said as much 'AT HOME WE'LL ALWAYS BE RED'. His words, not mine, not yours, his! We could ask for a compromise badge but instead people wont compromise so there you have it.

If you're unwilling to compromise you cant blame Tan for being unwilling to compromise either. He's the one with the strong hand remember, he owns the club, he has the money and you dont.

My point still stands

Um we were willing to compromise we all sent in loads of different kits and badges with red and blue designs but the club ignored them , so you can shove that point up your arse! Tan won't compromise not us

http://www.evertonfc.com/news/archive/2013/05/28/a-message-to-evertonians
A regrettable bank holiday weekend

It has been a full-on weekend for many Evertonians and undeniably you have spoken to us loudly and clearly. We have listened. Several meetings and countless discussions have taken place. And, we have reached a decision; a decision that starts with an apology.

We are sorry.

It is clear that you wanted to be involved in the selection of our new Club Crest. We agree with you and we are sorry we spoiled so many weekends. We regret we didn't ask every Evertonian about something that matters so much to every one of you.

It is also clear that whilst the Fans' Forum is an excellent and effective group of representative fans, they faced too big a burden speaking for the entire fan-base on something so significant. It is only right that we thank them for their impartial and valuable contribution.

A reminder of what we were trying to achieve

We remain firm in the belief that our Crest should be modernised - not a unique or unprecedented situation and one we know our fans would accept and embrace. Effective logos are simple and streamlined. Simplicity achieves stand-out recognition. This was our starting point for our new Crest.

Our solution, in a globalised, technology-led world - was to present one word, loudly and clearly - EVERTON, along with a truly representative Everton Turret, better than it ever has been done before. Feedback has not been universally negative. Many of you have agreed we delivered on those objectives.

Indisputably, ‘Nil Satis' has been the most controversial ‘casualty' of the new Crest. But never was it a casualty. Not for one second would we ever consider dropping the fundamental statement of belief from our Club. It always has been, it is, and it always will be what our Club stands for - the permanent link in our DNA. Across Goodison Park and in our Club shop, ‘Nil Satis' will always be living and breathing in everything we do.

Our rigorous process, our thoughts, our benchmarking, our homework and our design work is set out at evertonfc.com/crestevolution.

Putting it right

Robert Elstone, CEO, says: "Clearly the weekend's response has meant that we have reviewed how we went about the whole of the re-design process and whilst many objectives were achieved, we recognised we missed the key part out. Our Chairman had demanded widespread consultation and we stopped short of that. We talked to our Fans' Forum, our commercial partners and our experienced staff around the Club. That was not enough.

"We want to put this right. Whilst the time-constraints of kit suppliers in particular present challenges, which inevitably means the version released on Saturday will be in operation for the 2013/14 season, we are determined to give our fans a greater say in how we represent the Club on our jerseys, at Goodison Park and across media around the world.

"In advance of the 2014/15 campaign, we are turning to you to help us shape and refine the badge we'll adopt in the future. Evertonians from all sections of the fan-base will be pulled together in a fully transparent way. This group will conduct an in-depth review of all aspects of past and present Club Crests. The panel will then develop ideas and put forward suggestions to you. Evertonians will make the final decision.

"We have worked hard over recent years to give our fans a greater sense of involvement in the Club and dialogue flows openly and freely in many areas from the Fans' Forum, to Supporters' Clubs and of course, via Everton in the Community. We will ensure the same happens with the future development of your Club Crest."

Details on how the panel will be comprised and selected will appear in late summer.




This is what should've happened with us

The club didn't owe them an apology . Fans are consumers with football much like a trip to the cinema .

My point still stands

Um we were willing to compromise we all sent in loads of different kits and badges with red and blue designs but the club ignored them , so you can shove that point up your arse! Tan won't compromise not us

That wasn't a compromise. Most of those badges were blue and had the bluebird as the prominent symbol. Thats not compromising. Thats saying, accept this or dont. I did not see one badge that had the interests of both parties in mind at all. Karl's was possibly the only one that came close to hitting that mark but still would have had too much blue on it for Tans current vision.

Compromising is not 'do as I say'. Its taking part in active communication with someone and working on an end solution.

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My point still stands

Um we were willing to compromise we all sent in loads of different kits and badges with red and blue designs but the club ignored them , so you can shove that point up your arse! Tan won't compromise not us

That wasn't a compromise. Most of those badges were blue and had the bluebird as the prominent symbol. Thats not compromising. Thats saying, accept this or dont. I did not see one badge that had the interests of both parties in mind at all. Karl's was possibly the only one that came close to hitting that mark but still would have had too much blue on it for Tans current vision.

Compromising is not 'do as I say'. Its taking part in active communication with someone and working on an end solution.

These were some of the compromises sent to the club, making his dragon prominent

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There's too much blue on those badges for a compromise and the dragon is half hidden. Its also the old badge template and not a modernised one to suit all parties. If you think thats a compromise you must be on acid or something or not have any grasp of business principles whatsoever.

compromise means giving up your own stance and the other side follows suit. so giving up our all blue identity with the bluebirds-badge, we wanted a compromised with the all red and dragon fraction. meaning a badge with both symbols, and Karl's was exactly that. numerous kits blue/red or other compromised solutions were presented but everything got turned down.

a compromise doesnt mean crawling up VT's arse

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There's too much blue on those badges for a compromise and the dragon is half hidden. Its also the old badge template and not a modernised one to suit all parties. If you think thats a compromise you must be on acid or something or not have any grasp of business principles whatsoever.

f**k off Tan

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There's too much blue on those badges for a compromise and the dragon is half hidden. Its also the old badge template and not a modernised one to suit all parties. If you think thats a compromise you must be on acid or something or not have any grasp of business principles whatsoever.

f**k off Tan

and this is exactly the attitude and reason why we'll get nowhere as a fan base. Point proven and case closed.

compromise means giving up your own stance and the other side follows suit. so giving up our all blue identity with the bluebirds-badge, we wanted a compromised with the all red and dragon fraction. meaning a badge with both symbols, and Karl's was exactly that. numerous kits blue/red or other compromised solutions were presented but everything got turned down.

a compromise doesnt mean crawling up VT's arse

This
in the pics I posted I was pointing out that we did try to compromise by making the dragon more prominent , I wish the club did go with Karls design but it fell on deaf ears as Tan won't compromise

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There's too much blue on those badges for a compromise and the dragon is half hidden. Its also the old badge template and not a modernised one to suit all parties. If you think thats a compromise you must be on acid or something or not have any grasp of business principles whatsoever.

f**k off Tan

and this is exactly the attitude and reason why we'll get nowhere as a fan base. Point proven and case closed.

Is there a wanker smiley on hear

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There's too much blue on those badges for a compromise and the dragon is half hidden. Its also the old badge template and not a modernised one to suit all parties. If you think thats a compromise you must be on acid or something or not have any grasp of business principles whatsoever.

f**k off Tan

and this is exactly the attitude and reason why we'll get nowhere as a fan base. Point proven and case closed.

Is there a wanker smiley on hear

Is there an illiterate tw*t smiley on here?

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There's too much blue on those badges for a compromise and the dragon is half hidden. Its also the old badge template and not a modernised one to suit all parties. If you think thats a compromise you must be on acid or something or not have any grasp of business principles whatsoever.

f**k off Tan

and this is exactly the attitude and reason why we'll get nowhere as a fan base. Point proven and case closed.

Is there a wanker smiley on hear

Is there an illiterate tw*t smiley on here?

Not sure

first the badge. evertons home colour will be red next season

first the badge. evertons home colour will be red next season

you dont mean there will be another team in the premiership with lucky-red???

HOW DARE THEY!!!!!!

The difference between our club and their club is Everton care about their fans and understand their passion, also the owner is a true Evertonian

Just read the Everton statement. Basically, it's too late to change the new badge for next season. Then a vague promise to involve fans in the future. Sound familiar?

Bollocks to whats happening at everton. I dont give two hoots about them or any other club or other clubs fans

Just read the Everton statement. Basically, it's too late to change the new badge for next season. Then a vague promise to involve fans in the future. Sound familiar?

Be interesting whether they do keep their word and listen to fans

There's a HUGE difference between Everton's and Cardiff's situation though.

Cardiff were bribed and threatened to go along with the changes, deluding fans into thinking that they won't have a club to follow if they protest.

Everton weren't bribed or threatened.

No..But they stuck together, unlike us.

They wouldn't have stuck together if they were in our situation.

JonCCFC, I'm not too sure you meant to write that as it came across

Nothing new there, of course, but can you elaborate for the confused masses who just MIGHT start thinking you are agreeing that we had no choice after all?

There's a HUGE difference between Everton's and Cardiff's situation though.

Cardiff were bribed and threatened to go along with the changes, deluding fans into thinking that they won't have a club to follow if they protest.

Everton weren't bribed or threatened.

No..But they stuck together, unlike us.

They wouldn't have stuck together if they were in our situation.

JonCCFC, I'm not too sure you meant to write that as it came across

Nothing new there, of course, but can you elaborate for the confused masses who just MIGHT start thinking you are agreeing that we had no choice after all?

You're not sure that I meant to write that? Why? I'm just explaining why Everton changing their badge is completely different to us getting rebranded

There's a HUGE difference between Everton's and Cardiff's situation though.

Cardiff were bribed and threatened to go along with the changes, deluding fans into thinking that they won't have a club to follow if they protest.

Everton weren't bribed or threatened.

No..But they stuck together, unlike us.

They wouldn't have stuck together if they were in our situation.

JonCCFC, I'm not too sure you meant to write that as it came across

Nothing new there, of course, but can you elaborate for the confused masses who just MIGHT start thinking you are agreeing that we had no choice after all?

You're not sure that I meant to write that? Why? I'm just explaining why Everton changing their badge is completely different to us getting rebranded

I'm just confused by your statement "They wouldn't have stuck together if they were in our situation"

Why exactly??

difference is they are a bigger club and are not in a shit tonne of debt and if their owner walked out on them there wouldnt be a big chance of them going bust, comparing that to ours is a non starter for me

I agree with you.

(i know this is a non CCFC realted story but ive stickied it as it will invariably create debate)

This.

There's a HUGE difference between Everton's and Cardiff's situation though.

Cardiff were bribed and threatened to go along with the changes, deluding fans into thinking that they won't have a club to follow if they protest.

Everton weren't bribed or threatened.

No..But they stuck together, unlike us.

They wouldn't have stuck together if they were in our situation.

JonCCFC, I'm not too sure you meant to write that as it came across

Nothing new there, of course, but can you elaborate for the confused masses who just MIGHT start thinking you are agreeing that we had no choice after all?

You're not sure that I meant to write that? Why? I'm just explaining why Everton changing their badge is completely different to us getting rebranded

I'm just confused by your statement "They wouldn't have stuck together if they were in our situation"

Why exactly??

Because the fanbase would be split just like ours. There will always be fans on one side of the argument and fans on the other side of the argument no matter what, they won't stick together until both sides are happy, and for that to happen we would have to be debt free and back in blue. If our fans weren't split and were on my side of the argument then I highly doubt we would have turned red in the first place, but on the other side of the split they could say that we wouldn't even have a club to follow, even though I don't believe that at all. If all fans were on the other side of the argument then I doubt we'd ever go back to blue as there would be no point changing something that the majority of fans have accepted.

And some say Everton are no bigger than us

The difference between both sets of fans is that 22,000 Everton fans lodged their anger at the changes to their badge, all be it slight changes, and about 220 Cardiff fans marched against our massive radical changes, says it all really, if Everton had done any thing more drastic than tinker with their badge they would have had 40,000 marching against it, its all down to size of club and passion of fans, we excepted it, they never would have

They still changed the badge, despite almost 1/2 their attendance numbers not liking it.
So they have not really listened have they?

The difference between both sets of fans is that 22,000 Everton fans lodged their anger at the changes to their badge, all be it slight changes, and about 220 Cardiff fans marched against our massive radical changes, says it all really, if Everton had done any thing more drastic than tinker with their badge they would have had 40,000 marching against it, its all down to size of club and passion of fans, we excepted it, they never would have

If there was a risk that they wouldn't have a club to follow if they protested against it then a lot of them would've accepted it.

They still changed the badge, despite almost 1/2 their attendance numbers not liking it.
So they have not really listened have they?

They changed it before the fans knew about it, they can't reverse it because they've already made thousands and thousands of kits with the new badge on it so the earliest they can change it is after next season.