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Re: VT's disrespect is unbelievable...

Tue May 28, 2013 8:21 pm

GENERAL CHAT wrote:I don't like the red.

However, some people say he has stripped us of our history and identity.
Fact is, (and these are facts) that our history will always be there, that cannot be changed.
Our identity has not been stripped either, we have been given a new one.
We are now seen as a premiership side, in a new stadium with a massive financial backer.
We have been winning awards as a family club and it just so happens we now play in red.
I have not warmed to the idea of playing in red, but it has got easier.
I used to feel we would get our blue back, but I don't anymore.
Still, we are Cardiff City FC, and as long as it say's that on the tin (no matter what colour) that will do for me. :ayatollah:


Spot on butty :thumbup:

Re: VT's disrespect is unbelievable...

Tue May 28, 2013 8:37 pm

It is not the Cardiff City I loved and grew up with. That is the difference.

Give all the fans on the club's database a vote. Then we would see how many like red!!

Re: VT's disrespect is unbelievable...

Tue May 28, 2013 8:38 pm

Forever Blue wrote:No agenda by me,just this

You can all say what you want, Vincent Tan could of been our greatest ever chairman.



Yet Tan has stripped our Identity from us, to me that means an awful lot and Tan has never given a proper reason other than Red is Lucky,happy and the way forward and those were his exact words to me only a month ago. :shock: :shock: :shock:
So No I will never give Tan Respect for that, in my opinion end off. Nothing will change my mind 100 trophies would not and that's my feelings,belief,opinion.

It might not bother you lot and that's your choice.
I will support my team if they won or lost every game and were relegated through every division, I hope everyone else will as well. 9 years in the 4th Division I never missed a game home or away.

I have total Respect for Tan in the Business world. :ayatollah:


Also I don't understand why our fans could not have have stayed Blue and done that type of Protest, that would not have hurt our club one bit, in fact probrambly earned more Respect from our players and around the world.


To me CARDIFF CITY wiill always be BLUE and The BLUEBIRDS. :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:


Annis I keep seeing this from you and you never seem to mention the Asian market angle. Tan has said that the colour red is deemed to be lucky in the Far East and therefore he believes the club would be more attractive to a part of the world he knows very well. This is the main reason he has given not simply that he personally thinks its lucky. I know how much this means to you but please don't pretend that you have never heard of his intentions to grow this club overseas. I don't believe for a second you think this is purely a personal ego thing by Tan. Changing a brand is a big thing that impacts on people and he has admitted that. Everton have tried to modernize their badge for commercial reasons and 20,000 fans couldn't see any reasons to justify change. We are a very different club to Everton and as hard as it is to accept the majority of our fans have decided not to protest against Tan's changes as we want success, security and an owner who has a plan which goes far beyond a personal liking for red as you seem to want to believe.

Re: VT's disrespect is unbelievable...

Tue May 28, 2013 9:11 pm

Forever Blue wrote:No agenda by me,just this

You can all say what you want, Vincent Tan could of been our greatest ever chairman.



Yet Tan has stripped our Identity from us, to me that means an awful lot and Tan has never given a proper reason other than Red is Lucky,happy and the way forward and those were his exact words to me only a month ago. :shock: :shock: :shock:
So No I will never give Tan Respect for that, in my opinion end off. Nothing will change my mind 100 trophies would not and that's my feelings,belief,opinion.

It might not bother you lot and that's your choice.
I will support my team if they won or lost every game and were relegated through every division, I hope everyone else will as well. 9 years in the 4th Division I never missed a game home or away.

I have total Respect for Tan in the Business world. :ayatollah:


Also I don't understand why our fans could not have have stayed Blue and done that type of Protest, that would not have hurt our club one bit, in fact probrambly earned more Respect from our players and around the world.


To me CARDIFF CITY wiill always be BLUE and The BLUEBIRDS. :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:

Maybe he already is our greatest chairman and people just need to realise it.
The club means more to most than just the colour the team plays in. Hopefully one day it will change back to blue but looking at the record attendances and the waiting list for season tickets I can't see that happening for a long time unless of course TAN decides otherwise.
:malky: :malky: :malky:

Re: VT's disrespect is unbelievable...

Tue May 28, 2013 9:11 pm

There is far more to the identity of this club than the colour of the shirt they play in. :malky:

Re: VT's disrespect is unbelievable...

Tue May 28, 2013 9:14 pm

Buchanan's Exocet wrote:It is not the Cardiff City I loved and grew up with. That is the difference.

Give all the fans on the club's database a vote. Then we would see how many like red!!

Sorry Cardiff City is not a democracy unless of course you can come up with a £100 million.

Re: VT's disrespect is unbelievable...

Tue May 28, 2013 9:16 pm

broadlandsblue1960 wrote:
Buchanan's Exocet wrote:It is not the Cardiff City I loved and grew up with. That is the difference.

Give all the fans on the club's database a vote. Then we would see how many like red!!

Sorry Cardiff City is not a democracy unless of course you can come up with a £100 million.


I agree, it is Tans club, not the fans.
The fans are voting with their feet.

Re: VT's disrespect is unbelievable...

Tue May 28, 2013 9:31 pm

Welshpaul wrote:Cmoes over here with no historical link to the club, keeps HMRC off our backs, invests in stadium, kicks out the egg chasers, invests in players, brings premier league football to the club....

HOW BLOODY DARE HE!! .........

How very dare he !!

Re: VT's disrespect is unbelievable...

Tue May 28, 2013 10:48 pm

darran1927 wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:No agenda by me,just this

You can all say what you want, Vincent Tan could of been our greatest ever chairman.



Yet Tan has stripped our Identity from us, to me that means an awful lot and Tan has never given a proper reason other than Red is Lucky,happy and the way forward and those were his exact words to me only a month ago. :shock: :shock: :shock:
So No I will never give Tan Respect for that, in my opinion end off. Nothing will change my mind 100 trophies would not and that's my feelings,belief,opinion.

It might not bother you lot and that's your choice.
I will support my team if they won or lost every game and were relegated through every division, I hope everyone else will as well. 9 years in the 4th Division I never missed a game home or away.

I have total Respect for Tan in the Business world. :ayatollah:


To me Cardiff City wiill always be BLUE.

Was having a word with my mate about this I said to him the only reason he has picked red is that Man Utd , Liverpool and Arsenal wear red ,I said if they all wore blue then he wouldn't of changed us.
As you say he could of been a hero here but , hes lost my respect for what hes done to our club stripping our club of our identity. Yes I wanted Premiership football(I'm not going to lie and say I'm not happy we are there) but I would of rathered we did it without this pointless rebrand and we went up in our rightful colours.
If he changed us back to blue I would respect him


Spot on there was no need need for it, should of been one of our greatest ever seasons.

Re: VT's disrespect is unbelievable...

Tue May 28, 2013 10:51 pm

bluelover wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:No agenda by me,just this

You can all say what you want, Vincent Tan could of been our greatest ever chairman.



Yet Tan has stripped our Identity from us, to me that means an awful lot and Tan has never given a proper reason other than Red is Lucky,happy and the way forward and those were his exact words to me only a month ago. :shock: :shock: :shock:
So No I will never give Tan Respect for that, in my opinion end off. Nothing will change my mind 100 trophies would not and that's my feelings,belief,opinion.

It might not bother you lot and that's your choice.
I will support my team if they won or lost every game and were relegated through every division, I hope everyone else will as well. 9 years in the 4th Division I never missed a game home or away.

I have total Respect for Tan in the Business world. :ayatollah:


Also I don't understand why our fans could not have have stayed Blue and done that type of Protest, that would not have hurt our club one bit, in fact probrambly earned more Respect from our players and around the world.


To me CARDIFF CITY wiill always be BLUE and The BLUEBIRDS. :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:


Annis I keep seeing this from you and you never seem to mention the Asian market angle. Tan has said that the colour red is deemed to be lucky in the Far East and therefore he believes the club would be more attractive to a part of the world he knows very well. This is the main reason he has given not simply that he personally thinks its lucky. I know how much this means to you but please don't pretend that you have never heard of his intentions to grow this club overseas. I don't believe for a second you think this is purely a personal ego thing by Tan. Changing a brand is a big thing that impacts on people and he has admitted that. Everton have tried to modernize their badge for commercial reasons and 20,000 fans couldn't see any reasons to justify change. We are a very different club to Everton and as hard as it is to accept the majority of our fans have decided not to protest against Tan's changes as we want success, security and an owner who has a plan which goes far beyond a personal liking for red as you seem to want to believe.


Just read 3 football magazines and 2 Spanish ones, not one give us Resoect for the stripping of our identity, all say we will fail in the Asian Market unless we win trophies in the Premier league, colour means nothing, success means everything.

Re: VT's disrespect is unbelievable...

Tue May 28, 2013 10:54 pm

There was no need for it but its happened. No good dwelling on the past because we dont live in the past. We need a compromise solution. Lets get something done about the crappy badge first and foremost then reassess the situation and move on from there.

:malky:

Re: VT's disrespect is unbelievable...

Tue May 28, 2013 11:10 pm

Welshpaul wrote:Cmoes over here with no historical link to the club, keeps HMRC off our backs, invests in stadium, kicks out the egg chasers, invests in players, brings premier league football to the club....

HOW BLOODY DARE HE!! .........


Paul when I read you headline I was gonna post pretty much exactly what you have posted....need not though :lol:

Re: VT's disrespect is unbelievable...

Tue May 28, 2013 11:57 pm

Bluebird since 1948 wrote:Okay then Jon, what makes you different to the rest of us?


He thinks because he sang we will always be blue that makes him different :roll:

Re: VT's disrespect is unbelievable...

Wed May 29, 2013 12:01 am

Forever Blue wrote:
bluelover wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:No agenda by me,just this

You can all say what you want, Vincent Tan could of been our greatest ever chairman.



Yet Tan has stripped our Identity from us, to me that means an awful lot and Tan has never given a proper reason other than Red is Lucky,happy and the way forward and those were his exact words to me only a month ago. :shock: :shock: :shock:
So No I will never give Tan Respect for that, in my opinion end off. Nothing will change my mind 100 trophies would not and that's my feelings,belief,opinion.

It might not bother you lot and that's your choice.
I will support my team if they won or lost every game and were relegated through every division, I hope everyone else will as well. 9 years in the 4th Division I never missed a game home or away.

I have total Respect for Tan in the Business world. :ayatollah:


Also I don't understand why our fans could not have have stayed Blue and done that type of Protest, that would not have hurt our club one bit, in fact probrambly earned more Respect from our players and around the world.


To me CARDIFF CITY wiill always be BLUE and The BLUEBIRDS. :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:


Annis I keep seeing this from you and you never seem to mention the Asian market angle. Tan has said that the colour red is deemed to be lucky in the Far East and therefore he believes the club would be more attractive to a part of the world he knows very well. This is the main reason he has given not simply that he personally thinks its lucky. I know how much this means to you but please don't pretend that you have never heard of his intentions to grow this club overseas. I don't believe for a second you think this is purely a personal ego thing by Tan. Changing a brand is a big thing that impacts on people and he has admitted that. Everton have tried to modernize their badge for commercial reasons and 20,000 fans couldn't see any reasons to justify change. We are a very different club to Everton and as hard as it is to accept the majority of our fans have decided not to protest against Tan's changes as we want success, security and an owner who has a plan which goes far beyond a personal liking for red as you seem to want to believe.


Just read 3 football magazines and 2 Spanish ones, not one give us Resoect for the stripping of our identity, all say we will fail in the Asian Market unless we win trophies in the Premier league, colour means nothing, success means everything.


Should we care what they think? I certainly don't care what other teams fans or the media think about us and never will..

Re: VT's disrespect is unbelievable...

Wed May 29, 2013 12:06 am

Jinks wrote:
Bluebird since 1948 wrote:Okay then Jon, what makes you different to the rest of us?


He thinks because he sang we will always be blue that makes him different :roll:

Hardly makes me different when 90% of the crowd sung it

Re: VT's disrespect is unbelievable...

Wed May 29, 2013 10:44 am

JonCCFC wrote:
Jinks wrote:
Bluebird since 1948 wrote:Okay then Jon, what makes you different to the rest of us?


He thinks because he sang we will always be blue that makes him different :roll:

Hardly makes me different when 90% of the crowd sung it


Even the ones wearing red? :lol: :lol:

Re: VT's disrespect is unbelievable...

Wed May 29, 2013 12:22 pm

Just because someone does something you don't personally agree with doesn't make them disrespectful.

He must be doing something right though, he has turned the club around! :old:

Re: VT's disrespect is unbelievable...

Wed May 29, 2013 1:05 pm

bluelover wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:No agenda by me,just this

You can all say what you want, Vincent Tan could of been our greatest ever chairman.



Yet Tan has stripped our Identity from us, to me that means an awful lot and Tan has never given a proper reason other than Red is Lucky,happy and the way forward and those were his exact words to me only a month ago. :shock: :shock: :shock:
So No I will never give Tan Respect for that, in my opinion end off. Nothing will change my mind 100 trophies would not and that's my feelings,belief,opinion.

It might not bother you lot and that's your choice.
I will support my team if they won or lost every game and were relegated through every division, I hope everyone else will as well. 9 years in the 4th Division I never missed a game home or away.

I have total Respect for Tan in the Business world. :ayatollah:


Also I don't understand why our fans could not have have stayed Blue and done that type of Protest, that would not have hurt our club one bit, in fact probrambly earned more Respect from our players and around the world.


To me CARDIFF CITY wiill always be BLUE and The BLUEBIRDS. :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:


Annis I keep seeing this from you and you never seem to mention the Asian market angle. Tan has said that the colour red is deemed to be lucky in the Far East and therefore he believes the club would be more attractive to a part of the world he knows very well. This is the main reason he has given not simply that he personally thinks its lucky. I know how much this means to you but please don't pretend that you have never heard of his intentions to grow this club overseas. I don't believe for a second you think this is purely a personal ego thing by Tan. Changing a brand is a big thing that impacts on people and he has admitted that. Everton have tried to modernize their badge for commercial reasons and 20,000 fans couldn't see any reasons to justify change. We are a very different club to Everton and as hard as it is to accept the majority of our fans have decided not to protest against Tan's changes as we want success, security and an owner who has a plan which goes far beyond a personal liking for red as you seem to want to believe.


Fantastic post :ayatollah:

Re: VT's disrespect is unbelievable...

Wed May 29, 2013 1:06 pm

bluebird58 wrote:There is far more to the identity of this club than the colour of the shirt they play in. :malky:


Indeed !!! :ayatollah:

Re: VT's disrespect is unbelievable...

Wed May 29, 2013 1:19 pm

mjw6150 wrote:
bluelover wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:No agenda by me,just this

You can all say what you want, Vincent Tan could of been our greatest ever chairman.



Yet Tan has stripped our Identity from us, to me that means an awful lot and Tan has never given a proper reason other than Red is Lucky,happy and the way forward and those were his exact words to me only a month ago. :shock: :shock: :shock:
So No I will never give Tan Respect for that, in my opinion end off. Nothing will change my mind 100 trophies would not and that's my feelings,belief,opinion.

It might not bother you lot and that's your choice.
I will support my team if they won or lost every game and were relegated through every division, I hope everyone else will as well. 9 years in the 4th Division I never missed a game home or away.

I have total Respect for Tan in the Business world. :ayatollah:


Also I don't understand why our fans could not have have stayed Blue and done that type of Protest, that would not have hurt our club one bit, in fact probrambly earned more Respect from our players and around the world.


To me CARDIFF CITY wiill always be BLUE and The BLUEBIRDS. :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:


Annis I keep seeing this from you and you never seem to mention the Asian market angle. Tan has said that the colour red is deemed to be lucky in the Far East and therefore he believes the club would be more attractive to a part of the world he knows very well. This is the main reason he has given not simply that he personally thinks its lucky. I know how much this means to you but please don't pretend that you have never heard of his intentions to grow this club overseas. I don't believe for a second you think this is purely a personal ego thing by Tan. Changing a brand is a big thing that impacts on people and he has admitted that. Everton have tried to modernize their badge for commercial reasons and 20,000 fans couldn't see any reasons to justify change. We are a very different club to Everton and as hard as it is to accept the majority of our fans have decided not to protest against Tan's changes as we want success, security and an owner who has a plan which goes far beyond a personal liking for red as you seem to want to believe.


Fantastic post :ayatollah:


I agree with most of that