The Utopian Protest

Although it's a decent idea, I won't support anything which suggests accepting the red.

The easiest and the most effective protest is to wear blue at all games and to sing 'blue' songs.

Is that supporting team tho?? Prior to rebrand we all complained of atmosphere, would we better just supporting the team with no reference to red or blue??

Of course we can still support the team. Doesn't mean we can't still peacefully protest FOR blue at games. We're in the Premier League now so the atmosphere will be better than ever.

Last edited by JonCCFC on Tue May 28, 2013 11:28 am, edited 1 time in total.

If the aim ofsome is to drive VT from the club over blue be careful what you wish for.

So far he has delivered on his promises, is still looking to invest in infrastructure and take us forward. You drive him away there will be a lot of disgruntled fans.

If the rebrand is too much, which i appreciate may be the case for some, then creation of a fan owned AFC Cardiff may be the way forward for you to get enjoyment back from football.

As it stands i draw a parallel with people who continue eating eggs when allergic to eggs. Eggs is eggs so try something different.

i agree we don't want to drive tan away,but i don't believe fans will just walk away and support another club.why should they.Cardiff was hear long before tan and it'll be here long after.i also agree rebranding aside tan has been brilliant for city and long may it continue.

As for a new badge being a decent compromise,that would in no way suffice for me personally.

Well sorry alfie but you yourself are living in a dream world and I'd quite happily tell you in person that. You must get off your bluebird amongst the clouds and realise the position you as a Cardiff City fan find yourself in. If you think Tan is going to go from one extreme to the other because of protests then you are deluded. Its akin to thinking Hitler is going to wake up one morning with liberalist views. Its just not going to happen.

Aim for something more sensible, chip away at the cause and gain our identity back. A war is not won outright, it is won by winning many battles. Realise that.

I don't think or expect Tan to compromise at all. It's about the long game.Sooner or later Tan will tire of the non compliance of the fan base (if we stick together) and sell up.

Totally agree. I think we are in for a long protest.

Both sides of the argument seem to have realised that returning to blue is something which will involve a long term strategy but the disagreements stems from how we go about it.

Well I see no reason why both plans can't run along side each other? Even those who like me have accepted the rebrand reluctantly because it safeguarded our future are under no obligation to buy or wear red merchandise.

Therefore we wear blue to games. Probably in its own way that is a form of passive protest but that doesn't stop Rise of the Red Dragon from pursuing his own agenda by trying to compromise with Tan?

After all the red is about Asia not South Wales so I doubt VT is that bothered about us wearing blue. I say let him go and flog £Millions worth of red tops in Malaysia and elsewhere whilst we buy blue ones. Seems like having your cake and eating it in a way and when we are done through ripping Asia off with fake goods (Karma I call it ) then we revert bank to playing in blue. Simples.

As for a new badge being a decent compromise,that would in no way suffice for me personally.

Well sorry alfie but you yourself are living in a dream world and I'd quite happily tell you in person that. You must get off your bluebird amongst the clouds and realise the position you as a Cardiff City fan find yourself in. If you think Tan is going to go from one extreme to the other because of protests then you are deluded. Its akin to thinking Hitler is going to wake up one morning with liberalist views. Its just not going to happen.

Aim for something more sensible, chip away at the cause and gain our identity back. A war is not won outright, it is won by winning many battles. Realise that.

I don't think or expect Tan to compromise at all. It's about the long game.Sooner or later Tan will tire of the non compliance of the fan base (if we stick together) and sell up.

Totally agree. I think we are in for a long protest.

Both sides of the argument seem to have realised that returning to blue is something which will involve a long term strategy but the disagreements stems from how we go about it.

Well I see no reason why both plans can't run along side each other? Even those who like me have accepted the rebrand reluctantly because it safeguarded our future are under no obligation to buy or wear red merchandise.

Therefore we wear blue to games. Probably in its own way that is a form of passive protest but that doesn't stop Rise of the Red Dragon from pursuing his own agenda by trying to compromise with Tan?

After all the red is about Asia not South Wales so I doubt VT is that bothered about us wearing blue. I say let him go and flog £Millions worth of red tops in Malaysia and elsewhere whilst we buy blue ones. Seems like having your cake and eating it in a way and when we are done through ripping Asia off with fake goods (Karma I call it ) then we revert bank to playing in blue. Simples.

Its getting the locals to wear blue though.

And if we manage to do that then we will come up with another free temptation from Tan to counter that.

It needs some driving force behind it all to encourage the local to support it.

I find all this talk of compromise a bit weird.

Can anybody refute the following statement...."without the fans Vincent Tan has nothing but a bit of paper he paid millions for"

I find all this talk of compromise a bit weird.

Can anybody refute the following statement...."without the fans Vincent Tan has nothing but a bit of paper he paid millions for"

So what are you suggesting?

I find all this talk of compromise a bit weird.

Can anybody refute the following statement...."without the fans Vincent Tan has nothing but a bit of paper he paid millions for"

So what are you suggesting?

A re alignment of thinking away from the brainwashing & scaremongering.

I find all this talk of compromise a bit weird.

Can anybody refute the following statement...."without the fans Vincent Tan has nothing but a bit of paper he paid millions for"

the problem is the fans are split over the rebranding with probably the majority happy to go along with it.

I find all this talk of compromise a bit weird.

Can anybody refute the following statement...."without the fans Vincent Tan has nothing but a bit of paper he paid millions for"

the problem is the fans are split over the rebranding with probably the majority happy to go along with it.

We are split because we have forgetten this basic fact....."without the fans Vincent Tan has nothing but a bit of paper he paid millions for"

Sad that a region with a proud history of sticking together from the minning communities to the survival of the welsh language has allowed this man and his stooges at the club to divide and conquer.

I find all this talk of compromise a bit weird.

Can anybody refute the following statement...."without the fans Vincent Tan has nothing but a bit of paper he paid millions for"

the problem is the fans are split over the rebranding with probably the majority happy to go along with it.

We are split because we have forgetten this basic fact....."without the fans Vincent Tan has nothing but a bit of paper he paid millions for"

Sad that a region with a proud history of sticking together from the minning communities to the survival of the welsh language has allowed this man and his stooges at the club to divide and conquer.

I've always said clubs have taken advantage of fans and treated them like shit for years but they still go back for more.this is just another example of that.

Everton compromised and are getting what they want. They're not getting their old badge back but the season after next will get a new badge design that is modern and suits them as well. That is the middle ground established for them. We're asking for everything back at once and we wont get it. We need to be smart and take this with a different approach. The current approach is not working and wont work. Tan is not an idiot. He sees your protests, he hears your protests but you are a small amount of the 25% quoted. As support grows internationally you will become an even smaller fraction. Accept your current position because you need to see the reality that you have hardly no say and only working with Tan will you get anywhere near to where you want to be.

I'll be setting up a compromise group and website in August and I'll be aiming for a new badge for the 2014/2015 season. A badge where the common fan, the fan out on the street gets input and a badge that hopefully is more closer to Karl Payne's or the ones on WalesOnline than ours. Once we have a badge the fans can accept as a compromise the aims of our group will change and we'll be asking for other changes.

There's many hurdles on the way to winning the race.

I find all this talk of compromise a bit weird.

Can anybody refute the following statement...."without the fans Vincent Tan has nothing but a bit of paper he paid millions for"

So what are you suggesting?

A re alignment of thinking away from the brainwashing & scaremongering.

I see, so re alignment of thinking is the nice version of brainwashing

I see, so re alignment of thinking is the nice version of brainwashing

Gwyn, there is no point speaking to some as they're living in a cloud of delusion and in a dream world. The only way of getting Tan to change to our historical links is to get him to change it back bit by bit after compromising and making him feel like one of us. That is to welcome him and make him feel a Cardiff fan and show him what it means to be a real bluebird and how he can become our greatest owner ever.

He is not just going to wake up one morning as some think on here and go ' you know what, i think ill change cardiff back to blue today to make the fans happy, my beliefs are full of shit'. Its just not happening and the sooner some realise that the better.

Its about time some fans woke up and realise the reality of the situation we find ourselves in.

excellent op. I made that very point at the KCB meeting what seems like eons ago but the staunch KCB said the meeting was about the kit not the badge and Gwyns mates on the other side threatened to bury everyone. Never the twain shall meet.

The problem with the idea proposed is that Tan keeps promising things and then does not deliver (like the badge redesign and the fans survey) so what grounds are there to pre suppose he will even entertain a compromise.

I for one support the idea nevertheless being one of the loyal customers he disregards in favour of these mythical asian fans who will apparently soon have a road to damascus conversion from the glamour clubs to us.

excellent op. I made that very point at the KCB meeting what seems like eons ago but the staunch KCB said the meeting was about the kit not the badge and Gwyns mates on the other side threatened to bury everyone. Never the twain shall meet.

The problem with the idea proposed is that Tan keeps promising things and then does not deliver (like the badge redesign and the fans survey) so what grounds are there to pre suppose he will even entertain a compromise.

I for one support the idea nevertheless being one of the loyal customers he disregards in favour of these mythical asian fans who will apparently soon have a road to damascus conversion from the glamour clubs to us.

Many locals are now Cardiff City season ticket holders having once been plastic fans of Arsenal, Man U etc. so why wouldn't even more fickle Far Eastern fans not do the same and switch us? That is what the rebrand is about red tops and dragon badges.

Admittedly it won't be easy but we have 22000 season ticket holders now when only a short time ago 2200 would have been brilliant.

Nothing in football is impossible you just need the vision..

We are split because we have forgetten this basic fact....."without the fans Vincent Tan has nothing but a bit of paper he paid millions for"

Sad that a region with a proud history of sticking together from the minning communities to the survival of the welsh language has allowed this man and his stooges at the club to divide and conquer.

Firstly that will never happen there will always be a fan base at CCFC but for argument sake even if there wasn't VT couldn't care less if the shirts are selling in Asia and beyond.

If that happens his bit of paper would be worth quite a lot.

excellent op. I made that very point at the KCB meeting what seems like eons ago but the staunch KCB said the meeting was about the kit not the badge and Gwyns mates on the other side threatened to bury everyone. Never the twain shall meet.

Why lie, if you were there as you say you will know the only people Macca threatened was any person (because a fan wouldn't take such action) that disrupted on field events, and this came about after one of the knobs in KCB showed the twenty smoke bombs he'd purchased in readiness to throw on the pitch during a game. So that's a long way from threatening to bury everyone isn't it?

The problem with the idea proposed is that Tan keeps promising things and then does not deliver (like the badge redesign and the fans survey) so what grounds are there to pre suppose he will even entertain a compromise.

When did Tan promise these, most of us missed that?

I for one support the idea nevertheless being one of the loyal customers he disregards in favour of these mythical asian fans who will apparently soon have a road to damascus conversion from the glamour clubs to us.

I don't think Tan is looking for financial gain from new Malaysian fans, more from the far Eastern financial markets.

I was there Gwyn and I stood and asked the question about the badge like I said - Im not lying. I was sat behind that lady who made the non malicious but silly comment about child abuse.

The threat had nothing to do with anyone showing smoke bombs. It was a general threat to anyone perceived to be upsetting the team by protesting inside the ground.Tan has previoulsy stated that the badge would be reconsidered and promised to listen to us hence the survey but has since confirmed on that tv prgramme he is prepared to lose a percetage of us in favour of the asian market regardless.

In my opinion he is clearly a clever man to get where he is and amass his fortune but he doesnt understand football culture, is stubborn misguided and unpredictable and unlikley to listen to any suggestion of compromise which is a crying shame

I was there at the meeting too and it had nothing to do with any 'smoke bombs' and you know it.