VOTE UKIP

One damning truth I've learned this week from this terrible tragedy is how ill informed, uneducated and reactionary a large percentage of the country are

The 3 million Muslims living peacefully throughout the UK aren't your enemy. The government here and the USA's foreign policies to send our children overseas to die in the name of war are the true evil. The truth is these wars are to protect personal wealth and investments. These cleric extremists should be dealt with, but even though the scenes were truly shocking in Woolwich, nothing will change - and voting for a reactionary party like UKIP with zero policies isn't going to change that

By far the best post iv'e read on here in the last few day's, and a long time time for that matter!
A man truly in ITK and well worth listening to.

One damning truth I've learned this week from this terrible tragedy is how ill informed, uneducated and reactionary a large percentage of the country are

The 3 million Muslims living peacefully throughout the UK aren't your enemy. The government here and the USA's foreign policies to send our children overseas to die in the name of war are the true evil. The truth is these wars are to protect personal wealth and investments. These cleric extremists should be dealt with, but even though the scenes were truly shocking in Woolwich, nothing will change - and voting for a reactionary party like UKIP with zero policies isn't going to change that

I don't know how anyone can argue with what Lakey has said.

People have been led to believe that farmers in Afghanistan are a threat to the nationally security of Britain and America.

Only 53 people have died at the hands of Islamic extremists on British soil. 1 million people have died at the hands of the British government in the middle east and yet people still spin the land of hope and glory bullshit.

Wake up and smell the coffee.

Im voting Plaid Cymru!

Time for our country to leave this United Kingdom nonsense! f**k UKIP, they're all English and have nothing to do with Wales!

f*cking hell.

You secretly know its true. All UKIP care about is English dominance over us. Time to get OUR country back!

Im voting Plaid Cymru!

Time for our country to leave this United Kingdom nonsense! f**k UKIP, they're all English and have nothing to do with Wales!

f*cking hell.

You secretly know its true. All UKIP care about is English dominance over us. Time to get OUR country back!

Wales would rely on loans to keep the economy afloat. Britain needs to be whole.

Wanted to go into a rant why i totally agree with the thread but would have got cramp in my eight fingers and 2 thumbs with all the typing regarding the bullshit we have been fed by the Two main political parties for the past 30 years .
Honestly believe UKIP are the catalyst to take Britain back to where it will merit GREAT once again in its Title .

Terrorists are invented by the govt to create fear mistrust and ultimately control. Use yr own minds people. Think the authorities dont make things up? One word- hillsboro

I agree but UKIP are not the way. Dont vote for someone because you dont like the rest. Vote for them because you agree with there policies.

Please dont call the "new labour" idiots the labour party. They havent been the labour party since Blair took the reigns.

They're all one of the same Craig. They may be different breeds but they're all dogs.

I vote UKIP as I do agree with their policies and manifesto in relation to benefits, employment, the EU and so on. I've taken the time to read it and whilst I dont agree with all of it there is a lot I do agree with.

I believe UKIP are the way forward and thats down to me to make that decision.

UKIP have an MEP ....they are much the same as any other political party. They have one elected member and that's in the European parliament. They would be like any other party if given a taste of power. Let's take a look at the Liberal Democrats.....they changed over night when given a chance of power.

If UKIP were to win 20 seats and held the balance of power to form the next govt. with the tories then they too would adjust their principles to take that chance of power. If you don't believe that then you are deluded.

Radical Islamists should be taken on most certainly....there is no place for them in a democracy if they preach hatred and violence. Your goal is to kick them out........ what passports did these two crazy idiots hold? What nationality were those responsible for 7/7 ? So how do you kick them out?

The vast majority of muslims are ordinary well behaved citizens who abhor these actions. Certainly I have no time for Islam, just like I have no time for christianity or any other religion but that doesn't mean I want to attack mosques etc.

Reading some of the comments from posters here over the last few days almost equate to sharia law if they were to be allowed to do what they wished to radicals.

Extremism takes on many faces and I have no time for any of it. Yes, arrest those people under incitement to hatred etc. Let's keep one thing in perspective....there are many crimes by Islamist and right wing extremists and should be dealt with.

The problem with UKIP and obv. more extremely the EDL they offer very little to democracy....they jump on bandwagons to further their own goals by whipping up hatred and in the EDL they offer violence itself.

I distrust people who believe "their" party have all the right answers. You yourself given a chance of a cushy seat in parliament would soon believe themselves to be more important than they are and look after their seat rather than the wishes of their constituents. This would include following the party whip rather than their conscience......just like the liberal democrats etc.

How can you take a party seriously whose only standing member is an MEP (member of european parliament) and they want to withdraw from Europe, thus taking away the only voice they have.

How can you take the other parties seriously when they just lie and rim europe arse. Time for change. Bet UKip could do a better job if not explain why not?

How can you take a party seriously whose only standing member is an MEP (member of european parliament) and they want to withdraw from Europe, thus taking away the only voice they have.

How can you take the other parties seriously when they just lie and rim europe arse. Time for change. Bet UKip could do a better job if not explain why not?

Where have I said I take other parties seriously?

If you read further up, UKIP's main policy is to withdraw us from Europe. With all the financial handouts we get from being a member of the EU withdrawal would be financial suicide. This country would sink into depression nevermind recession.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROFveIpkd6w

How can you take a party seriously whose only standing member is an MEP (member of european parliament) and they want to withdraw from Europe, thus taking away the only voice they have.

How can you take the other parties seriously when they just lie and rim europe arse. Time for change. Bet UKip could do a better job if not explain why not?

Where have I said I take other parties seriously?

If you read further up, UKIP's main policy is to withdraw us from Europe. With all the financial handouts we get from being a member of the EU withdrawal would be financial suicide. This country would sink into depression nevermind recession.

Handouts? What do we get Craig? Tony Blair gave back 30% of our rebate as he said we're rich. He is but are you? Europe have us by the balls, crime, immigration law and order. We should govern ourselfs not some unelected prime donners who have'nt a mandate to do so from the british public.

How can you take a party seriously whose only standing member is an MEP (member of european parliament) and they want to withdraw from Europe, thus taking away the only voice they have.

How can you take the other parties seriously when they just lie and rim europe arse. Time for change. Bet UKip could do a better job if not explain why not?

Where have I said I take other parties seriously?

If you read further up, UKIP's main policy is to withdraw us from Europe. With all the financial handouts we get from being a member of the EU withdrawal would be financial suicide. This country would sink into depression nevermind recession.

Handouts? What do we get Craig? Tony Blair gave back 30% of our rebate as he said we're rich. He is but are you? Europe have us by the balls, crime, immigration law and order. We should govern ourselfs not some unelected prime donners who have'nt a mandate to do so from the british public.

seriously?

How about the reduced tariff and non-tariff trade barriers for starters. We have to import everything, we cant grow it on our own soil and since Maggie sold of the family jewels we rely on trading with Europe to get our bare essentials. On our own we couldnt compete with the Asian/US markets, we need to be in the EU so we can trade as one against them.

Management of the EU is a different matter and that needs to be addressed. Its goverened by its member states, so its only as good as we manage it.

People only want out of europe due to the Human Rights act. This can be easily ignored by the government just like we ignored the EU bailouts last year. They are just to scared about losing votes from the liberal left to veto it.

Everyone should protest vote and get some daft kunt party in who don't try and hide the fact that they are daft kunts, to go with this daft kunt of a country its now become. Raving loons or whatever their called

One damning truth I've learned this week from this terrible tragedy is how ill informed, uneducated and reactionary a large percentage of the country are

The 3 million Muslims living peacefully throughout the UK aren't your enemy. The government here and the USA's foreign policies to send our children overseas to die in the name of war are the true evil. The truth is these wars are to protect personal wealth and investments. These cleric extremists should be dealt with, but even though the scenes were truly shocking in Woolwich, nothing will change - and voting for a reactionary party like UKIP with zero policies isn't going to change that

I understand your viewpoint CityGent but I am not a protest voter. I have supported UKIP for around a year now and its not because of recent events but more the fact that their policies are inline with what I want to see happen in the UK.

1) I want us out of the EU to have more freedom
2) I want us to set up treaty agreements with countries as was the case before and still is elsewhere
3) I want control of our borders and a points system like the ones they have in Canada and Australia
4) Make cuts in foreign aid and replace with free trade and put our people first
5) Life to mean life - pure sentencing
6) No cuts to policing and protection of British people on the frontline whilst building more prisons
7) Repeal the Human Rights Act and stop abuse of the system by criminals
8) Free the police from political correctness
9) Ensure that benefits are only for those who have lived here for over 5 years. Make welfare a safety net for the needy, not a bed for the lazy.

Multiculturalism has split our society. Political correctness is stifling free speech. UKIP is a patriotic party that believes in putting Britain first.

UKIP are not homophobes - they believe in putting other issues first rather than using same sex marriage as something to cover big things like the Conservative Party are doing. Its sad but true. The Conservative manifesto said it would not change its stance on same sex marriage but instead decided to go ahead with it to appease the people and take their attention off the real issues like the financial burden the country is in.

If those policies above make UKIP racist then Canada, Australia and almost every other non EU country on the planet is racist then because they all have self control of their borders and they all have work permits and points systems.

The EU was set up with one purpose and that was to be governed from the top down like the USA and that is a fact. Its already happened to some degree and within the EU we now have a bunch of nobodies, as Farage has pointed out, who have suddenly fallen into wonderful jobs within the Union. Why are these people allowed to pass judgement on the rights of the British people? They should not be allowed.

FAO Craig, as for your assertion that we benefit from the EU, that is absolute hog shit and you know it. I agree with you on a lot of things but that is nonsense sorry mate.

1) We pay for EU membership an astonishing rate every day. As I type this message we are losing money
2) Austerity is a load of shit. Our deficit is increasing. Maybe we should redefine the term austerity as well
3) Treaties/Trade Agreements can be set up with countries
4) The EU countries will still depend on us for trade because of our population size
5) Our currency is strong and would arguably, as a member of the Economist said on his podcast, get stronger with withdrawal from the EU

All this scaremongering to keep us a member of the EU is disgusting and are the actions of a totalarian regime and not a regime that supports democracy. A top down control approach is currently why the US is in such shit with CISPA.

There is a reason Farage has been banned from the TV debates and that is because he sees through all the bullshit and that is why he will speak common sense. Hes had a real world job, he is not a political moron living in a world of his own. He's been to Bulgaria to see the truth and is prepared to hear it as he did. There is no flirting around the issue and he says it as it is unlike the other 3 parties who are just full of rhetorical bullshit.

Why do you think the Scandinavian countries have gone their own way? Its because they see through the EU bullshit.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-04-29/e ... ge/4658314

Ruined Nick Clegg straight away!!!!

Those aren't real policies, they are just manifesto promises.

a real policy would be UKIP's policy on Defence. They want disestablish the Ministry of Defence and put decisions of war and peace in the hands of the armed forces. That is the definition of a military state!! or a coup.

how about the immigration policy that you love, well read this little number:

UKIP would cap net immigration at 50,000 a year, this number would exclude work permits and students. Students (282,833) and work permits (147,385) made up 430,218 of the immigration numbers last year. That leaves only 78,190. So UKIP are actually talking about reducing immigration by 28,000 people a year. Hardly revolutionary!!!!

How about UKIP's education policy.......thats right, they don't actually have one.

Vote UKIP. Get policies changed and withdrawal from the EU.

Get these radicals deported and happy days. No need for chav scum like the EDL to take matters into their own hands. When they do that there is a retaliation and that is the EDL's fault for provocation and no one else's.

If you want to make a stand and see changes do it with your voting slip instead of being lazy and just crying 'lets kick the Muslims out'.

Im voting UKIP. Farage and Nuttall will sort this mess out. We cant deport them because of the EU and the stupid Human Rights Act. Its about time we made our own rules and didn't cater to the EU suits and brought back common sense. However, it has to be done properly.

There's no democracy in Europe. They want to totally control us and they already control too much - our borders, our rights and our deportation laws. Its disgusting. Lets get out of the EU and go back to the old tried and tested treaty method.











Common sense!

would you not start by making our spineless politicians closing the doors to ALL immigrants,regardless of colour,race or religion..

Those aren't real policies, they are just manifesto promises.

You mean like the promises of the other three parties in election run ups gone by that they turned their back on? The reality of the situation is this Craig, we vote for one of the 3 main parties who are proven liars or we force through change and chance our luck with a new party. It might end badly but considering all 3 main parties are spineless morons its going down that route whether we change or not.

a real policy would be UKIP's policy on Defence. They want disestablish the Ministry of Defence and put decisions of war and peace in the hands of the armed forces. That is the definition of a military state!! or a coup.

You mean like China who have one of the most feared armed forces in the world? Yes its a shocking decision.

how about the immigration policy that you love, well read this little number:

UKIP would cap net immigration at 50,000 a year, this number would exclude work permits and students. Students (282,833) and work permits (147,385) made up 430,218 of the immigration numbers last year. That leaves only 78,190. So UKIP are actually talking about reducing immigration by 28,000 people a year. Hardly revolutionary!!!!

When you factor in that around 1 million young people within the UK are unemployed to say reducing immigration by 28,000 a year is absolutely ridiculous Craig and you know it. At least UKIP want permits, want a points system to get worthwhile people into the UK and they want to deport terrorists rather than let them stay in the UK on benefits like Arjem Choudary.

Canada has a points system and permits - not racist
Australia has a points system and permits - not racist
USA has a points system and permits - not racist
The UK wants a points system and permits - OMG THAT IS RACIST

Its laughable and the people of Britain are letting it happen. You reap what you sow and I wont be here to lay witness to it when this country continues its steady decline into the shitter and more people are killed on YOUR BRITISH STREETS. Australia and Canada laugh at us. Call the country the United Kingdom by all means but Great Britain, well, it stopped being Great years ago.

No doubt it'll be easier to tell me to 'f**k OFF TO ANOTHER COUNTRY THEN' if you dont like it.

Its always easier to blame someone else than look at your own faults. The simple fact is the majority of Brits know this country is becoming a member of a totalarian EU government and are either too lazy or too scared to speak up about it out of fear. Fear they've had put in them by inept British governments catering to Brussel's on a daily basis. Some people are prepared to be bullied and treated like shit to just get on, others stand up for what is right!!!!

How about UKIP's education policy.......thats right, they don't actually have one.

Yes they do.

1) Bring back grammar schools
2) Cut tuition fees and reintroduce student grants

There are others, cant remember them off top of my head.

would you not start by making our spineless politicians closing the doors to ALL immigrants,regardless of colour,race or religion..

This is what UKIP wants to do but the 3 main parties refuse to do.

There are muslims in UKIP. There are women in UKIP. There are christians in UKIP. There are black people in UKIP. There are Hindus in UKIP. I speak to them every day on the UKIP forum.

UKIP tries its hardest to get rid of all the racists. Im on the forums, I know the score. I've seen people banned in 5 seconds and the forums have their own 'Roathie' ex BNP knob who keeps coming back and trolling. He's banned almost immediately. You cant blame a party if the morons and degenerates of society want to try and use them as a platform. They are scum and UKIP gets rid of them.

UKIP has got a reputation as homophobic because it does not PROMOTE gay marriage. Promotion does not mean rejecting it. They are neutral and most UKIP members would rather focus on real issues, issues seeing people on the streets of Britain, issues seeing Brits out of jobs, issues seeing terrorists not being deported than a social issue. These can be sorted later.

Whats the point of fixing the cooling system on your car if the engine's buggered? There are bigger issues to be tackled.

Those aren't real policies, they are just manifesto promises.

You mean like the promises of the other three parties in election run ups gone by that they turned their back on? The reality of the situation is this Craig, we vote for one of the 3 main parties who are proven liars or we force through change and chance our luck with a new party. It might end badly but considering all 3 main parties are spineless morons its going down that route whether we change or not.

a real policy would be UKIP's policy on Defence. They want disestablish the Ministry of Defence and put decisions of war and peace in the hands of the armed forces. That is the definition of a military state!! or a coup.

You mean like China who have one of the most feared armed forces in the world? Yes its a shocking decision.

how about the immigration policy that you love, well read this little number:

UKIP would cap net immigration at 50,000 a year, this number would exclude work permits and students. Students (282,833) and work permits (147,385) made up 430,218 of the immigration numbers last year. That leaves only 78,190. So UKIP are actually talking about reducing immigration by 28,000 people a year. Hardly revolutionary!!!!

When you factor in that around 1 million young people within the UK are unemployed to say reducing immigration by 28,000 a year is absolutely ridiculous Craig and you know it. At least UKIP want permits, want a points system to get worthwhile people into the UK and they want to deport terrorists rather than let them stay in the UK on benefits like Arjem Choudary.

Canada has a points system and permits - not racist
Australia has a points system and permits - not racist
USA has a points system and permits - not racist
The UK wants a points system and permits - OMG THAT IS RACIST

Its laughable and the people of Britain are letting it happen. You reap what you sow and I wont be here to lay witness to it when this country continues its steady decline into the shitter and more people are killed on YOUR BRITISH STREETS. Australia and Canada laugh at us. Call the country the United Kingdom by all means but Great Britain, well, it stopped being Great years ago.

No doubt it'll be easier to tell me to 'f**k OFF TO ANOTHER COUNTRY THEN' if you dont like it.

Its always easier to blame someone else than look at your own faults. The simple fact is the majority of Brits know this country is becoming a member of a totalarian EU government and are either too lazy or too scared to speak up about it out of fear. Fear they've had put in them by inept British governments catering to Brussel's on a daily basis. Some people are prepared to be bullied and treated like shit to just get on, others stand up for what is right!!!!

How about UKIP's education policy.......thats right, they don't actually have one.

Yes they do.

1) Bring back grammar schools
2) Cut tuition fees and reintroduce student grants

There are others, cant remember them off top of my head.

Just because the other 3 main parties are idiots doesnt mean you just vote for anybody. I always vote none of the above but i still vote!

You lost all credibility when you have said you want us to be like China.

Your counterpoint on UKIP's immigration policy makes no sense. Those are the numbers provided by UKIP.

Please link me to UKIP's education policy.

Just because the other 3 main parties are idiots doesnt mean you just vote for anybody. I always vote none of the above but i still vote!

No. I vote UKIP and thats that.

You lost all credibility when you have said you want us to be like China.

Did I say that Craig or is that what you surmised? You came to that conclusion yourself. I said China do that one particular thing that way. I did not say I want us to become like China. I stated in that aspect there is nothing wrong with following China. Oh, and low and behold but you do realise the USA have convention meetings where the military have a say in what happens dont you when war takes place....Arguably the two largest and most feared militaries in the world and you dont want to follow their ways. Theres a reason the USA wants us to stay a part of Europe and thats so we can continue being their bitch and not prosper into a great nation ourselves.

Your counterpoint on UKIP's immigration policy makes no sense. Those are the numbers provided by UKIP.

To you it may not but to me it makes total sense. What you're advocating is that 28,000 more immigrants per year make no difference and I quote

' So UKIP are actually talking about reducing immigration by 28,000 people a year. Hardly revolutionary!!!!'

^ Thats what you said Craig. You words mate, not mine.

28,000 people per year in reduction is 196,000 over 7 years. Between 2003 and 2010 Polish migration into the UK increased by 350,000 from around 50,000 to around 400,000 and you think over the same period 196,000 is not a lot of people?

Sorry Craig, they're the stats from the ONS and they're the stats provided under a labour government. Britain cannot afford migration on that scale. Those figures, thats 56% of the migration we saw from Poland into the UK over the same period and you think thats not a significant difference. You're have a f*cking laugh pal.

Then you factor in skilled workers, workers who will get permits on top and you're looking at a level of immigration between 60-70% of what happened with Polish migration between 2003 and 2010. Sorry, but I'd rather tell the 196,000, the 56% equivalence to sod off and only let in the skilled workers over a 7 year period.

If you think a 28,000 cut in immigration per year is not a lot then you're deluded. Its a significant percentage of the Polish migration figures, figures all 3 parties said were a lot higher than they thought they would be and estimated for. Do you remember the estimate made by the then government? It was laughable.

But yeah, lets just let in an extra 28,000 immigrants per year. No big deal. Id rather vote UKIP in and stop them coming. 28,000 per year is a significant figure.

Please link me to UKIP's education policy.

Refer to article 7 - Education

http://www.ukip.org/index.php/issues/20 ... -manifesto

Dont come up with the excuse that there is no defined policy for this year, their policies have not changed one bit in terms of education. Farage has routinely stated his views on education online.

Just because the other 3 main parties are idiots doesnt mean you just vote for anybody. I always vote none of the above but i still vote!

No. I vote UKIP and thats that.

You lost all credibility when you have said you want us to be like China.

Did I say that Craig or is that what you surmised? You came to that conclusion yourself. I said China do that one particular thing that way. I did not say I want us to become like China. I stated in that aspect there is nothing wrong with following China. Oh, and low and behold but you do realise the USA have convention meetings where the military have a say in what happens dont you when war takes place....Arguably the two largest and most feared militaries in the world and you dont want to follow their ways. Theres a reason the USA wants us to stay a part of Europe and thats so we can continue being their bitch and not prosper into a great nation ourselves.

Your counterpoint on UKIP's immigration policy makes no sense. Those are the numbers provided by UKIP.

To you it may not but to me it makes total sense. What you're advocating is that 28,000 more immigrants per year make no difference and I quote

' So UKIP are actually talking about reducing immigration by 28,000 people a year. Hardly revolutionary!!!!'

^ Thats what you said Craig. You words mate, not mine.

28,000 people per year in reduction is 196,000 over 7 years. Between 2003 and 2010 Polish migration into the UK increased by 350,000 from around 50,000 to around 400,000 and you think over the same period 196,000 is not a lot of people?

Sorry Craig, they're the stats from the ONS and they're the stats provided under a labour government. Britain cannot afford migration on that scale. Those figures, thats 56% of the migration we saw from Poland into the UK over the same period and you think thats not a significant difference. You're have a f*cking laugh pal.

Then you factor in skilled workers, workers who will get permits on top and you're looking at a level of immigration between 60-70% of what happened with Polish migration between 2003 and 2010. Sorry, but I'd rather tell the 196,000, the 56% equivalence to sod off and only let in the skilled workers over a 7 year period.

If you think a 28,000 cut in immigration per year is not a lot then you're deluded. Its a significant percentage of the Polish migration figures, figures all 3 parties said were a lot higher than they thought they would be and estimated for. Do you remember the estimate made by the then government? It was laughable.

But yeah, lets just let in an extra 28,000 immigrants per year. No big deal. Id rather vote UKIP in and stop them coming. 28,000 per year is a significant figure.

Please link me to UKIP's education policy.

Refer to article 7 - Education

http://www.ukip.org/index.php/issues/20 ... -manifesto

Dont come up with the excuse that there is no defined policy for this year, their policies have not changed one bit in terms of education. Farage has routinely stated his views on education online.

You can waffle all you like about immigration figures. You cannot disguise the baseline figure of 28,000 per year. it doesnt even compute in % terms its that low!

The "education policy" you linked me to. I refer you to UKIP's big red writing at the top:

NOTE: This is a document accompanying the 2010 General Election Party Manifesto and not necessarily current UKIP Policy.

It was there election manifesto not policy. You seem fairly educated in politics so you should know the difference.

Their own site states if you want to see their current policies refer to "common sense politics" section and low and behold there is no education there.

I dont usually get into politics debate because i firmly believe its each to their own but you decided to start this party political broadcast without telling the whole truth.

You have to love this line from the defence policy: Urgently start a technical review of the Trident replacement, including the option of a new advanced stealthy cruise-type missile Came up with that on the playground or something.

I wish the Uk could leave the EU for 2 years so the public realises how much Britain gets from Europe. And thats not just from the rebate, all agricultural monies come from Europe for example. Or how about taxing everything going into Britain from the continent? How many things do you produce in the UK? It wouldnt hurt us here as much as it would British companies...

As for the myth that the EU is responsible for crimes and law: every country has its own laws. We can kick out radical muslims, send them back where they belong, so why cant Britain? Imigration, most are complaining about Africans, or Asians...again, nothing to do with the EU, we dont have em here... Asylum seekers yes, but who stays and who doesnt decide your judges, your laws and your politicians.

As for border patrols, over here we have the Schengen Treaty, meaning free travel without border controls. You still have them, you can check who is coming in and who you dont want... only exeptions are EU citizens, well, the millions of Germans, French, Italians, Dutch, Belgians etc are a real problem, arent they?

Who is causing trouble? People from outside the EU, radical muslims (well, some are even born and bred in Britain), so where do they come from? Luxembourg? Portugal?

Or could they come from your former colonies? The Commonwealth? Hmmm....

If it wasn't bad for Wales, I wish the UK would leave the EU. Better for our economy, as the UK is one of the weaker European economies, so fewer German tax money going there. Also the corrupt banking system could get sorted out, as Britain's veto prevented the proposed proper controlling of the banking system, which caused the latest crisis with so many ordinary folk losing their savings.

The EU is the great excuse, the cover up for all failures produced by British politicians. I cant take UKIP seriously, they think, speak and act like children having a temper.

There is too much bureaucracy in Brussels, we all agree on that. And some regulations are just damn stupid, a good clearout is needed there. But its still the best we had for Europe in its history. And thats for all European nations...