EDL members clash with police video

Violence and ignorance is the same mind set.

Of course there are certain levels.....I think yesterday was a very isolated incident ...thankfully. The pair of them were not normal. We have had plenty of appaling racial attacks in London involving knives etc. Taking a look at the morons last night I'd say a few of them were capable of violence.

All I'm saying is lock them all up........ there is no place for them.

I'd certainly make a start with the clerics and Tommy Robinson (real name Pete Harris.)

I'm no proponent of the EDL but comparing them to muslim extremism is beyond a joke.

Sorry Johnny am I reading this correctly!!! You are saying that attacking police is equal to killing a soldier..? Now before you try and jump on my comment I am by no means defending what the EDL did last night but trying to claim that both acts are equal is a f*cking disgrace!!!!

I THINK he's trying to make the point that in a democracy violence is abhorrent. These idiots of the EDL claim they support the armed forces ......yet the next minute they are throwing bottles etc at police.

Anyone with a brain know that these guys are just out for a bit of a punch up.

In fact they have a fair bit in common with their muslim "extremist" friends......they both support the concept of keeping their faces covered.

I completely understand your point but it would be nice to know excatly what he meant then as his comment read to me that he feels that two incidents where one human being was killed and in another incident no-one gets killed is the same..?

It's the same mind set.....ignorance and violence.

If the police were not in Woolwich last night do you think it would be reasonable to believe that these morons would of cornered some "paki ****" as they put it and attacked him?

When you get a mob mentality they could of given him a good kicking and indeed much worse.

We all agree that the attack in the street on that poor young man was disgusting...... these idiots from the EDL are cashing in and whipping up hatred and making things worse for the vast majority of muslims. In fact Muslims are not their enemy....it's anyone of a different colour/race etc.

Personally I believe the Muslim extremists and EDL should be arrested for racial hatred etc. There is no place in a decent society for either.

I don't agree that its the same mindset. Those EDL are just mouthy thugs but they don't even come close to the mindset of those two who murdered that poor man yesterday.

The point I am trying to make here is that violence has many different levels I guess.

so you are defending the EDL I rest my case. I dont believe I have anything to apologise for, I have never said that the death of this soldier is justifiable or acceptable neither do I think that the attack on police was justifiable and does raise the question of if the police were not there who would have they attacked?

Did the guys who killed this soldier do so under orders of a higher power or was it an individual act?These questions are yet to be answered and will come out during the investigation.

One thing that has been confirmed the EDL took to the streets under the orders Tommy Robinson and attacked the police where anything could have happened and thank God the police were there rather than this mob decending on an innocent group of people who may not follow Islam but as long as the shoe fits right?

Sorry Johnny am I reading this correctly!!! You are saying that attacking police is equal to killing a soldier..? Now before you try and jump on my comment I am by no means defending what the EDL did last night but trying to claim that both acts are equal is a f*cking disgrace!!!!

I THINK he's trying to make the point that in a democracy violence is abhorrent. These idiots of the EDL claim they support the armed forces ......yet the next minute they are throwing bottles etc at police.

Anyone with a brain know that these guys are just out for a bit of a punch up.

In fact they have a fair bit in common with their muslim "extremist" friends......they both support the concept of keeping their faces covered.

I completely understand your point but it would be nice to know excatly what he meant then as his comment read to me that he feels that two incidents where one human being was killed and in another incident no-one gets killed is the same..?

It's the same mind set.....ignorance and violence.

If the police were not in Woolwich last night do you think it would be reasonable to believe that these morons would of cornered some "paki ****" as they put it and attacked him?

When you get a mob mentality they could of given him a good kicking and indeed much worse.

We all agree that the attack in the street on that poor young man was disgusting...... these idiots from the EDL are cashing in and whipping up hatred and making things worse for the vast majority of muslims. In fact Muslims are not their enemy....it's anyone of a different colour/race etc.

Personally I believe the Muslim extremists and EDL should be arrested for racial hatred etc. There is no place in a decent society for either.

I don't agree that its the same mindset. Those EDL are just mouthy thugs but they don't even come close to the mindset of those two who murdered that poor man yesterday.

The point I am trying to make here is that violence has many different levels I guess.[/quote][/quote]

so you are defending the EDL I rest my case. I dont believe I have anything to apologise for, I have never said that the death of this soldier is justifiable or acceptable neither do I think that the attack on police was justifiable and does raise the question of if the police were not there who would have they attacked?

Did the guys who killed this soldier do so under orders of a higher power or was it an individual act?These questions are yet to be answered and will come out during the investigation.

One thing that has been confirmed the EDL took to the streets under the orders Tommy Robinson and attacked the police where anything could have happened and thank God the police were there rather than this mob decending on an innocent group of people who may not follow Islam but as long as the shoe fits right?[/quote]

I knew you'd try and say that I'm defending the EDL when I have stated the complete opposite from the start!!!!

You are nothing but a kunt trying all avenues to defend your comments and yet I bet the messageboards owners will do f**k all!!!

Why did the police attack them? The police did nothing in Luton when muslims were marching and threatening to burn the police.
Do we have selective policing in this country or is it that some people/communities are above the law?

I asked myself the same question pal, we got people in here swearing at me for putting up a thread with a video in off the internet as if im the EDL leader in the video clip , wtf is wrong with these clowns log off ffs

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I completely understand your point but it would be nice to know excatly what he meant then as his comment read to me that he feels that two incidents where one human being was killed and in another incident no-one gets killed is the same
It's the same mind set.....ignorance and violence.

If the police were not in Woolwich last night do you think it would be reasonable to believe that these morons would of cornered some "paki ****" as they put it and attacked him?

When you get a mob mentality they could of given him a good kicking and indeed much worse.

We all agree that the attack in the street on that poor young man was disgusting...... these idiots from the EDL are cashing in and whipping up hatred and making things worse for the vast majority of muslims. In fact Muslims are not their enemy....it's anyone of a different colour/race etc.

Personally I believe the Muslim extremists and EDL should be arrested for racial hatred etc. There is no place in a decent society for either.

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don't agree that its the same mindset. Those EDL are just mouthy thugs but they don't even come close to the mindset of those two who murdered that poor man yesterday.

The point I am trying to make here is that violence has many different levels I guess.[/quote]

so you are defending the EDL I rest my case. I dont believe I have anything to apologise for, I have never said that the death of this soldier is justifiable or acceptable neither do I think that the attack on police was justifiable and does raise the question of if the police were not there who would have they attacked?

Did the guys who killed this soldier do so under orders of a higher power or was it an individual act?These questions are yet to be answered and will come out during the investigation.

One thing that has been confirmed the EDL took to the streets under the orders Tommy Robinson and attacked the police where anything could have happened and thank God the police were there rather than this mob decending on an innocent group of people who may not follow Islam but as long as the shoe fits right?[/quote]

This is typical for some left wing fool to say, he is not defending the EDL, merely saying that violence has different levels of severity.

"If wookies live on Endor you must acquit" - sums this attitude up http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/103454/the-chewbacca-defense

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psZBaJU_Cvo - Where were the police when this lot hurled abuse directly at them?

Why the EDL are hypocrites

1. They probably been in a corner shop owned by a Muslim and bought something
2. A Muslim probably plays for the football team they support
3. They've probably had a taxi off a Muslim taxi driver sometime in their life
4. They've probably eaten food from a shop where the owner is a Muslim

By carrying out any of the above you are accepting the Muslim to your country and the service they are providing you. If it suits the EDL members its fine. However, when it doesn't they then resort to racial slurs which is pathetic. The EDL should be a group aimed at extremism but instead is a group aimed at the whole Muslim community as it has become loitered with racist scum that use the group as a platform to be heard. Sad.

If you have an issue with Muslims then stick to your convictions but dont turn the tide when it suits your own racist agenda.

Why the EDL are hypocrites

1. They probably been in a corner shop owned by a Muslim and bought something
2. A Muslim probably plays for the football team they support
3. They've probably had a taxi off a Muslim taxi driver sometime in their life
4. They've probably eaten food from a shop where the owner is a Muslim

By carrying out any of the above you are accepting the Muslim to your country and the service they are providing you. If it suits the EDL members its fine. However, when it doesn't they then resort to racial slurs which is pathetic. The EDL should be a group aimed at extremism but instead is a group aimed at the whole Muslim community as it has become loitered with racist scum that use the group as a platform to be heard. Sad.

If you have an issue with Muslims then stick to your convictions but dont turn the tide when it suits your own racist agenda.

Another reason why their hypocrites, they reckon they are defending Britain when they attack British people, priceless.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psZBaJU_Cvo - Where were the police when this lot hurled abuse directly at them?

Drinking tea and chowing down on sticky buns in sweaty bettys cafe i guess, watch your back now you might branded a racist.

Why the EDL are hypocrites

1. They probably been in a corner shop owned by a Muslim and bought something
2. A Muslim probably plays for the football team they support
3. They've probably had a taxi off a Muslim taxi driver sometime in their life
4. They've probably eaten food from a shop where the owner is a Muslim

By carrying out any of the above you are accepting the Muslim to your country and the service they are providing you. If it suits the EDL members its fine. However, when it doesn't they then resort to racial slurs which is pathetic. The EDL should be a group aimed at extremism but instead is a group aimed at the whole Muslim community as it has become loitered with racist scum that use the group as a platform to be heard. Sad.

If you have an issue with Muslims then stick to your convictions but dont turn the tide when it suits your own racist agenda.

Going on that I would say we are all hypocrits.

Why the EDL are hypocrites

1. They probably been in a corner shop owned by a Muslim and bought something
2. A Muslim probably plays for the football team they support
3. They've probably had a taxi off a Muslim taxi driver sometime in their life
4. They've probably eaten food from a shop where the owner is a Muslim

By carrying out any of the above you are accepting the Muslim to your country and the service they are providing you. If it suits the EDL members its fine. However, when it doesn't they then resort to racial slurs which is pathetic. The EDL should be a group aimed at extremism but instead is a group aimed at the whole Muslim community as it has become loitered with racist scum that use the group as a platform to be heard. Sad.

If you have an issue with Muslims then stick to your convictions but dont turn the tide when it suits your own racist agenda.

Corner shop stereotype is priceless, are you Alf Garnetts Left wing nephew?

Why the EDL are hypocrites

1. They probably been in a corner shop owned by a Muslim and bought something
2. A Muslim probably plays for the football team they support
3. They've probably had a taxi off a Muslim taxi driver sometime in their life
4. They've probably eaten food from a shop where the owner is a Muslim

By carrying out any of the above you are accepting the Muslim to your country and the service they are providing you. If it suits the EDL members its fine. However, when it doesn't they then resort to racial slurs which is pathetic. The EDL should be a group aimed at extremism but instead is a group aimed at the whole Muslim community as it has become loitered with racist scum that use the group as a platform to be heard. Sad.

If you have an issue with Muslims then stick to your convictions but dont turn the tide when it suits your own racist agenda.

While I agree 100% with your angle on this and you forgot the Muslims within the NHS I feel that I should put out that you stated 'Why the EDL are hypocrites' then you list 4 things they have 'probably' done!!!! So you know this for sure or not..?

Its impossible for any human being not to be a hypocrite from time to time. The world doesn't allow it. We are all hypocrites in some way or another whether we like it or not, no matter how hard we try not to be Lol

Why the EDL are hypocrites

1. They probably been in a corner shop owned by a Muslim and bought something
2. A Muslim probably plays for the football team they support
3. They've probably had a taxi off a Muslim taxi driver sometime in their life
4. They've probably eaten food from a shop where the owner is a Muslim

By carrying out any of the above you are accepting the Muslim to your country and the service they are providing you. If it suits the EDL members its fine. However, when it doesn't they then resort to racial slurs which is pathetic. The EDL should be a group aimed at extremism but instead is a group aimed at the whole Muslim community as it has become loitered with racist scum that use the group as a platform to be heard. Sad.

If you have an issue with Muslims then stick to your convictions but dont turn the tide when it suits your own racist agenda.

The EDL are a group of unemployed attention seeking Football 'hooligans' so the 2nd one is most likely to be right.
While I agree 100% with your angle on this and you forgot the Muslims within the NHS I feel that I should put out that you stated 'Why the EDL are hypocrites' then you list 4 things they have 'probably' done!!!! So you know this for sure or not..?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psZBaJU_Cvo - Where were the police when this lot hurled abuse directly at them?

Drinking tea and chowing down on sticky buns in sweaty bettys cafe i guess, watch your back now you might branded a racist.

People can think what they like but I am in no way a racist but one march can't be treated differently to another.

People in here calling the EDL an extremist group I don't pay much attention to the EDL, but I know for a fact I've never seen the EDL beheading people on the streets of britain, or setting off bombs on buses and underground stations. Bit misguided?? Maybe! but extreme??? Haha I don't think so.

Corner shop stereotype is priceless, are you Alf Garnetts Left wing nephew?

and this is where all this confusion stems from. An inability to read and decipher a passage of text.

Nowhere did I stereotype anyone. I did not say all corner shops are owned by Muslims because they are not. I did not say all taxi drivers are Muslim either.

While I agree 100% with your angle on this and you forgot the Muslims within the NHS I feel that I should put out that you stated 'Why the EDL are hypocrites' then you list 4 things they have 'probably' done!!!! So you know this for sure or not..?

Of course not Adam but there are many more that can be added to the list, a brilliant one you just mentioned yourself. I dont know what each and every EDL member does in their day to day life and I will be honest and say I dont really give a shit. However, it is true that when it suits the EDL are happy to interact with Muslims yet when it also suits they are quick to start screaming racist obscenities and abuse a whole section of society.

I used probably because I will admit I do not know what every single EDL member does and whilst there may be a few who stick to their convictions and dont like Muslims/Islam and thats that I know and can be assured that most of these scum bags are hypocrites who have interacted with Muslims in the past and are now just abusing because it suits.

@oddballs

Do you actually know what extremism is?

It doesnt mean beheading and killing people. Its an ideal either side of the normal political spectrum.

EDL are far right, therefore they are extremists.

@oddballs

Do you actually know what extremism is?

It doesnt mean beheading and killing people. Its an ideal either side of the normal political spectrum.

EDL are far right, therefore they are extremists.

Spot on.

@oddballs

Do you actually know what extremism is?

It doesnt mean beheading and killing people. Its an ideal either side of the normal political spectrum.

EDL are far right, therefore they are extremists.

Confusing Craig, beheading = not extreme, being a member of the EDL = Extreme?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psZBaJU_Cvo - Where were the police when this lot hurled abuse directly at them?

Drinking tea and chowing down on sticky buns in sweaty bettys cafe i guess, watch your back now you might branded a racist.

People can think what they like but I am in no way a racist but one march can't be treated differently to another.

But clearly there treated diffrently as proven

@oddballs

Do you actually know what extremism is?

It doesnt mean beheading and killing people. Its an ideal either side of the normal political spectrum.

EDL are far right, therefore they are extremists.

Honestly, I do not see a bunch of pissed up idiots on a protest march or what ever they get up to as extremists, they have little or no substance. Ayran brotherhood. Klu klux clan... Now that's what I'd call extremist far right groups.

@oddballs

Do you actually know what extremism is?

It doesnt mean beheading and killing people. Its an ideal either side of the normal political spectrum.

EDL are far right, therefore they are extremists.

Confusing Craig, beheading = not extreme, being a member of the EDL = Extreme?

You've misunderstood, of course beheading is extremism, but that isnt what defines an extremist group.

@oddballs

Do you actually know what extremism is?

It doesnt mean beheading and killing people. Its an ideal either side of the normal political spectrum.

EDL are far right, therefore they are extremists.

Confusing Craig, beheading = not extreme, being a member of the EDL = Extreme?

You've misunderstood, of course beheading is extremism, but that isnt what defines an extremist group.

OK So if I group generally spends their days looking at the shapes of clouds and counting rainbows but after dark start beheading people they are not necessarily extreme?

Why don't the f*cking police react like this when those scum c##ts are marching down the street chanting that they want everyone dead. This countrys a f*cking joke

@oddballs

Do you actually know what extremism is?

It doesnt mean beheading and killing people. Its an ideal either side of the normal political spectrum.

EDL are far right, therefore they are extremists.

Confusing Craig, beheading = not extreme, being a member of the EDL = Extreme?

You've misunderstood, of course beheading is extremism, but that isnt what defines an extremist group.

OK So if I group generally spends their days looking at the shapes of clouds and counting rainbows but after dark start beheading people they are not necessarily extreme?

Grow up, learn to read.

@oddballs

Do you actually know what extremism is?

It doesnt mean beheading and killing people. Its an ideal either side of the normal political spectrum.

EDL are far right, therefore they are extremists.

Confusing Craig, beheading = not extreme, being a member of the EDL = Extreme?

You've misunderstood, of course beheading is extremism, but that isnt what defines an extremist group.

OK So if I group generally spends their days looking at the shapes of clouds and counting rainbows but after dark start beheading people they are not necessarily extreme?

Grow up, learn to read.

Might I suggest learning to write, you have written incoherent drivel. You have effectively stated that just because a group beheads people doesn't define them as extreme, I disagree

@oddballs

Do you actually know what extremism is?

It doesnt mean beheading and killing people. Its an ideal either side of the normal political spectrum.

EDL are far right, therefore they are extremists.

Confusing Craig, beheading = not extreme, being a member of the EDL = Extreme?

You've misunderstood, of course beheading is extremism, but that isnt what defines an extremist group.

OK So if I group generally spends their days looking at the shapes of clouds and counting rainbows but after dark start beheading people they are not necessarily extreme?

Grow up, learn to read.

Might I suggest learning to write, you have written incoherent drivel. You have effectively stated that just because a group beheads people doesn't define them as extreme, I disagree

Extremism is politically/religiously motivated by definition. Those men beheaded that soldier in a politically motivated attack therefore they are extremists.
The EDL march using a far right political angle, therefore they are extremists.

Terry Sutcliffe (the yorkshire ripper) just killed women with NO POLITICAL AGENDA therefore he is not an extremist. Just a loony.

Sorry Johnny am I reading this correctly!!! You are saying that attacking police is equal to killing a soldier..? Now before you try and jump on my comment I am by no means defending what the EDL did last night but trying to claim that both acts are equal is a f*cking disgrace!!!!

I THINK he's trying to make the point that in a democracy violence is abhorrent. These idiots of the EDL claim they support the armed forces ......yet the next minute they are throwing bottles etc at police.

Anyone with a brain know that these guys are just out for a bit of a punch up.

In fact they have a fair bit in common with their muslim "extremist" friends......they both support the concept of keeping their faces covered.

I completely understand your point but it would be nice to know excatly what he meant then as his comment read to me that he feels that two incidents where one human being was killed and in another incident no-one gets killed is the same..?

It's the same mind set.....ignorance and violence.

If the police were not in Woolwich last night do you think it would be reasonable to believe that these morons would of cornered some "paki ****" as they put it and attacked him?

When you get a mob mentality they could of given him a good kicking and indeed much worse.

We all agree that the attack in the street on that poor young man was disgusting...... these idiots from the EDL are cashing in and whipping up hatred and making things worse for the vast majority of muslims. In fact Muslims are not their enemy....it's anyone of a different colour/race etc.

Personally I believe the Muslim extremists and EDL should be arrested for racial hatred etc. There is no place in a decent society for either.

I don't agree that its the same mindset. Those EDL are just mouthy thugs but they don't even come close to the mindset of those two who murdered that poor man yesterday.

The point I am trying to make here is that violence has many different levels I guess.

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so you are defending the EDL I rest my case. I dont believe I have anything to apologise for, I have never said that the death of this soldier is justifiable or acceptable neither do I think that the attack on police was justifiable and does raise the question of if the police were not there who would have they attacked?

Did the guys who killed this soldier do so under orders of a higher power or was it an individual act?These questions are yet to be answered and will come out during the investigation.

One thing that has been confirmed the EDL took to the streets under the orders Tommy Robinson and attacked the police where anything could have happened and thank God the police were there rather than this mob decending on an innocent group of people who may not follow Islam but as long as the shoe fits right?[/quote]

I knew you'd try and say that I'm defending the EDL when I have stated the complete opposite from the start!!!!

You are nothing but a kunt trying all avenues to defend your comments and yet I bet the messageboards owners will do f**k all!!![/quote]

but you are you are saying that the actions of this muslim is disgusting and should never be forgiven, I agree with you on that point but then you wave off the EDL as mouthy thugs. Well at one point muslim extremists were mouthy thugs theyve evolved into something more. Hitlers Brown shirts were shrugged off as mouth thugs they evolved into the waffen-ss and killed 6 million jews with views not far away from the EDL's views on Islam. Mouthy thugs are just as capable of killing someone as a muslim extremist is or the member of the IRA who have a long history of killing soldiers in this country or any other extreme group which have killed our troops and police officers in the name of a cause.

I could defend both actions on an academic level, im not going to because its not worth the trouble, but having studied just war theory and well versed in war ethics and being a veteran in this country I would say im more qualified to discuss and be annoyed by this issue than you are. So please dont call me a kunt because your just digging your own hole.