Steve Borley respects those against the rebrand as to those

He is spot on.

The fact is no-one is saying they want to go back to those days and some people who are against the rebrand fully agree that the club is moving in the right direction and thats what they want but in the same colour we have always been in.

Whilst I haven't always seen eye to eye with Steve, as I do believe especially with the rebrand he's been trying hard to convince himself its right whilst deep down he knows hes wrong, in this particular instance he is correct 100% and only an idiot would argue otherwise.

There are elements of modern football that have been great. Others not so great. Thats life.

agree with Borley on so called "Modern Football"

certain things, I do not like how the game developed. However it happened, I detest Ultras for example who claim to be against modern football, to me they are a big part of modern football...

Whilst I haven't always seen eye to eye with Steve, as I do believe especially with the rebrand he's been trying hard to convince himself its right whilst deep down he knows hes wrong, in this particular instance he is correct 100% and only an idiot would argue otherwise.

There are elements of modern football that have been great. Others not so great. Thats life.

I won't argue with you that Steve would probably prefer to stay blue as the majority would, but I haven't seen any suggestion from him that he believes that Tan's dream is wrong as you have suggested. Personally, from what he has stated so far, I think he understands what Tan is trying to achieve and accepts his reasons for the change of colour and badge. He has experienced many hard times on the board of the club not to realise what is needed to move the club forward and in the absence of any local billionaire prepared to through his money away, that Tan is the man to take this club forward

I was under the impression the rebrand was to attract more revenue but listening to the latest interviews from Tan it was mainly to give us luck.

I have always believed the Modern game would attract the big business men because of its status and now money. I certainly felt a club like Cardiff would become a prime picking once it got its act sorted. Well my beliefs and feeling were 99% right. I just did not expect us to attract a nutter. Then again looking at the fans through the years perhaps it is what we deserve.

This rebrand was always about-"exploiting and maximising its brand and commercial revenues in international markets, which it is hoped in turn will bring success to the club locally, whilst also attracting new partners and investors."

I really believe that all that "Lucky Red" and "The Dragon Protecting The Bluebird" is nonsense, and VT knows it, and was nothing more than VT trying to stop the fans singing "We're Cardiff City We'll Always Be Blue".

I don't think the guy is a nutter, far from it, but he has made a rod for his own back here and sooner rather than later he will backtrack and return us to Blue.

When he finds a way of doing it without losing face.

Agree totally, and this is why we should be asking him, what can we do for him t try and achieve it. My opinion of him as tempered quite a bit since hearing and seeing him in close up action.

I think the man has quite a dry wit and far more human than I first thought. I think he see it as a partnership if we could offer to do something that suits him with a view to getting the blue kit back, there must be something that would appeal to him and give him a way out without being seen to lose face.

In my opinion he has dug himself into a hole, let's try to help him out of it, rather than get him to dig a deeper hole.

Thinking about that, not losing face, the only thing I see pausible is for him, Tan that is, to commission a poll to ask the fans what colour they want.

Here he is showing that he is listening to the fans and gives him the perfect reason to u turn.

Modern football is nothing to do with the rape of our club. No other club bar forest green rovers has had this shitmb

Modern football is nothing to do with the rape of our club. No other club bar forest green rovers has had this shitmb

What happened there. I know they banned all meat products.

They used to play in black and white Ian but had there kit changed to green for obvious reasons

Call it what you like Cardiff are moving in the right direction.

Away from the fans

Our attendances also don't support your claim.

I agree with Steve regarding modern football, we had to move on and even though I miss Ninian Park big time, I understand we needed to go forward with our new stadium etc. If you want to be in the Premier League, you have to move with the times.

But as to the stripping of our identity, I will never agree with it, nor accept it and will always continue to try what I can do to get our identity back in a respectful manner. I have explained all this before, so I wont go in to it in full again.
Not wearing anything Red is is one of the simplest protests.

I detest the Colour/Badge, would never buy it, wear it or accept it Free, but thats my belief.
I support the team and the name Cardiff City, The Bluebirds and Blue is the only colour ive known as our first kit since I started in 1972 Supporting them.

Myself and My Family are Pure Blue and Always will be



I never wore Football shirts and yes I wasnt a scarfer, but I watched my team play their home games in Blue, I identified Cardiff City as a Blue team as a kid and All I knew was Blue growing up, to me Cardiff City football Club is Blue and wanting them to remain that way and wanting them now to return back to Blue,is what I want and how I feel and many other Cardiff Fans feel the same.

totaly agree with that 100 %

I was under the impression the rebrand was to attract more revenue but listening to the latest interviews from Tan it was mainly to give us luck.

I have always believed the Modern game would attract the big business men because of its status and now money. I certainly felt a club like Cardiff would become a prime picking once it got its act sorted. Well my beliefs and feeling were 99% right. I just did not expect us to attract a nutter. Then again looking at the fans through the years perhaps it is what we deserve.

This rebrand was always about-"exploiting and maximising its brand and commercial revenues in international markets, which it is hoped in turn will bring success to the club locally, whilst also attracting new partners and investors."

I really believe that all that "Lucky Red" and "The Dragon Protecting The Bluebird" is nonsense, and VT knows it, and was nothing more than VT trying to stop the fans singing "We're Cardiff City We'll Always Be Blue".

I don't think the guy is a nutter, far from it, but he has made a rod for his own back here and sooner rather than later he will backtrack and return us to Blue.

When he finds a way of doing it without losing face.

Agree totally, and this is why we should be asking him, what can we do for him t try and achieve it. My opinion of him as tempered quite a bit since hearing and seeing him in close up action.

I think the man has quite a dry wit and far more human than I first thought. I think he see it as a partnership if we could offer to do something that suits him with a view to getting the blue kit back, there must be something that would appeal to him and give him a way out without being seen to lose face.

In my opinion he has dug himself into a hole, let's try to help him out of it, rather than get him to dig a deeper hole.

Modern football is nothing to do with the rape of our club. No other club bar forest green rovers has had this shitmb

On the modern football thing I actually agree with you.

Steve needs to understand the fans against the rebrand don't mind all the stuff that is going on at the club.

Modern football is nothing to do with the rape of our club. No other club bar forest green rovers has had this shitmb

On the modern football thing I actually agree with you.

Steve needs to understand the fans against the rebrand don't mind all the stuff that is going on at the club.

I think the problem people have with Borely's comments, is that he is pretending to not know what modern football is and not engaging the issue honestly and fairly. I find him quite baffling at times.

It was 86 and not very modern when i went to my first city game. As a teenage girl with my friends father on the terraces i felt distinctly out of place but found it thrillingly exciting at the same time being in this new unknown world of men and lads and yes, fighting. Have to say i do prefer things now tho. I love the new stadium now its a great place to be and take the family. But i dont want it to go too far in the other direction. I dont want it to lose its working class laddish atmosphere. Ive never sat in the family stand since i got it in the neck from a steward for shouting at jacks after chops winning goal. Id rather pay extra and sit - or stand! - in canton as it has similar feel to back on the terrace as a kid. Dont want to lose that vibe

It was 86 and not very modern when i went to my first city game. As a teenage girl with my friends father on the terraces i felt distinctly out of place but found it thrillingly exciting at the same time being in this new unknown world of men and lads and yes, fighting. Have to say i do prefer things now tho. I love the new stadium now its a great place to be and take the family. But i dont want it to go too far in the other direction. I dont want it to lose its working class laddish atmosphere. Ive never sat in the family stand since i got it in the neck from a steward for shouting at jacks after chops winning goal. Id rather pay extra and sit - or stand! - in canton as it has similar feel to back on the terrace as a kid. Dont want to lose that vibe

Good post Mel, My only gripe is that you want it change now you've had your thrill, What about the next generation having a buzz?

I think people are trying to rewrite history about the 'bad old days' in order to suit their arguement. If it was really that bad, how come we all kept going. including Steve. What is so much better about the modern football, when ever i ask this it always seems to come back to toilets

Cant lie, girly toilets are great! I think my son gets the full football effect in canton stand but in other stands its not the same... so your right, ive had my excitment and now im old i like the cushy new ground lol

Steve is totally right about "modern football".

Wow you agree to something!??

Cant lie, girly toilets are great! I think my son gets the full football effect in canton stand but in other stands its not the same... so your right, ive had my excitment and now im old i like the cushy new ground lol

If you were a female fan in the 80's you earned the right to demand cushyness.

It was 86 and not very modern when i went to my first city game. As a teenage girl with my friends father on the terraces i felt distinctly out of place but found it thrillingly exciting at the same time being in this new unknown world of men and lads and yes, fighting. Have to say i do prefer things now tho. I love the new stadium now its a great place to be and take the family. But i dont want it to go too far in the other direction. I dont want it to lose its working class laddish atmosphere. Ive never sat in the family stand since i got it in the neck from a steward for shouting at jacks after chops winning goal. Id rather pay extra and sit - or stand! - in canton as it has similar feel to back on the terrace as a kid. Dont want to lose that vibe

Good post Mel, My only gripe is that you want it change now you've had your thrill, What about the next generation having a buzz?

I think people are trying to rewrite history about the 'bad old days' in order to suit their arguement. If it was really that bad, how come we all kept going. including Steve. What is so much better about the modern football, when ever i ask this it always seems to come back to toilets

but we were't all there were we, our crowds were crap for long periods.

It was 86 and not very modern when i went to my first city game. As a teenage girl with my friends father on the terraces i felt distinctly out of place but found it thrillingly exciting at the same time being in this new unknown world of men and lads and yes, fighting. Have to say i do prefer things now tho. I love the new stadium now its a great place to be and take the family. But i dont want it to go too far in the other direction. I dont want it to lose its working class laddish atmosphere. Ive never sat in the family stand since i got it in the neck from a steward for shouting at jacks after chops winning goal. Id rather pay extra and sit - or stand! - in canton as it has similar feel to back on the terrace as a kid. Dont want to lose that vibe

Good post Mel, My only gripe is that you want it change now you've had your thrill, What about the next generation having a buzz?

I think people are trying to rewrite history about the 'bad old days' in order to suit their arguement. If it was really that bad, how come we all kept going. including Steve. What is so much better about the modern football, when ever i ask this it always seems to come back to toilets

but we were't all there were we, our crowds were crap for long periods.

Exactly what I was thinking. Nobody was there!

Steve is totally right about "modern football".

Wow you agree to something!??

As I have posted before whether we play in blue, red or pink it is irrelevant out here in Asia as Man U, Chelsea and Liverpool have almost cornered the plastic fans market. Fernandez has planes flying around in QPR stripes, sells kit on the planes and no one is interested. Red is a lucky colour in Asia and that may have been VT's reason but I agree with Gwyn, work with VT to change back to blue without losing face is the only way.