Is Sunday going to be another disaster.

As for Sunday? It is NOT (IMHO) a 'celebration' it is a number of pissed off individuals who want to keep banging on about an issue that is (for now at least) dead in the water

This is far from dead in the water. We have just got to the top league after 51 years but you would not think so. Why is that then?

As for Sunday? It is NOT (IMHO) a 'celebration' it is a number of pissed off individuals who want to keep banging on about an issue that is (for now at least) dead in the water

This is far from dead in the water. We have just got to the top league after 51 years but you would not think so. Why is that then?

I think so, 50k people agree who were down the bay

As for Sunday? It is NOT (IMHO) a 'celebration' it is a number of pissed off individuals who want to keep banging on about an issue that is (for now at least) dead in the water

This is far from dead in the water. We have just got to the top league after 51 years but you would not think so. Why is that then?

I think so, 50k people agree who were down the bay

Rubbish, being down the bay doesn't automatically mean that you think it's dead in the water..

As for Sunday? It is NOT (IMHO) a 'celebration' it is a number of pissed off individuals who want to keep banging on about an issue that is (for now at least) dead in the water

This is far from dead in the water. We have just got to the top league after 51 years but you would not think so. Why is that then?

I think so, 50k people agree who were down the bay

Rubbish, being down the bay doesn't automatically mean that you think it's dead in the water..

Do you endorse the abuse of and threats of violence towards those who want to wear red, the colours of our football team?

As for Sunday? It is NOT (IMHO) a 'celebration' it is a number of pissed off individuals who want to keep banging on about an issue that is (for now at least) dead in the water

This is far from dead in the water. We have just got to the top league after 51 years but you would not think so. Why is that then?

I think so, 50k people agree who were down the bay

Rubbish, being down the bay doesn't automatically mean that you think it's dead in the water..

I was referring to the "back in the top league after 51 years but you wouldnt know" part of the post, not theblue part

As for Sunday? It is NOT (IMHO) a 'celebration' it is a number of pissed off individuals who want to keep banging on about an issue that is (for now at least) dead in the water

This is far from dead in the water. We have just got to the top league after 51 years but you would not think so. Why is that then?

Being perfectly honest, it is my (personal) opinion that the red/blue issue is indeed 'dead in the water' and I ask you to explain to me exactly what do you think this (or any other) march will do to change things?

Vincent Tan has 'put his money where his mouth is' WHEN NO-ONE ELSE WOULD and we were inches from Administration and/or extinction. In return (and in order to secure interest from the money-rich Far Eastern Markets) he asked for the shirts to be changed to red as that colour (along with the number 8) is viewed in that culture as 'lucky'

For £80m, survival, stabilisation and promotion to the Premier League Who TF are we to realistically object?

As for your "after 51 years" comment I can only say that most people I speak to (admittedly with one or two exceptions) are absolutely over the moon that Cardiff are in the Premier League and cannot wait for the big day to arrive and it may just be that the fact that a vociferous few say that they are not happy says more about them and their lack of understanding of the situation we were in no so long ago

Admittedly, I do think that the actual Championship Trophy-lifting ceremony was a bit of an anti-climax (particularly once the players and staff were shepherded into the corner) and that was partly because promotion itself was pretty much on the cards once we opened an 10 point+ gap at the top of the table earlier in the season. By the time it was 'confirmed' many fans had almost become blasé about it and (if I am being honest) I was one of them

I am not objecting to anyone going on the march. I simply cannot see the logic/benefit of it and I vehemently believe that the sooner some people realise that the Red/Blue issue is not worth the energy they are putting into it the better because we can then ALL move on; either by continuing to support the club OR by walking away (if they feel so strongly) as one or two have done

Unfortunately, there are a few who will ALWAYS find something negative to bleat on about without realistically being able to justify themselves. Some of the 'reasons' I have heard for rejecting the red have been, frankly, pathetic and I have yet to read a justifiable 'reason' as to why (a) the change to red has 'stripped us of our identity/history, and (b) why they would prefer to stay in the lower leagues rather than embrace to wonderful opportunity we now have to 'join the elite' in the Premier League

Vincent Tan was largely responsible for that happening (along with Malky and the boys, of course) and for that I am personally very grateful...even if that means I have to RELUCTANTLY accept my beloved team playing in red for the foreseeable future, i.e. whilst VT is around (which I hope is a long time going on his influence to date)

As for Sunday? It is NOT (IMHO) a 'celebration' it is a number of pissed off individuals who want to keep banging on about an issue that is (for now at least) dead in the water

This is far from dead in the water. We have just got to the top league after 51 years but you would not think so. Why is that then?

Being perfectly honest, it is my (personal) opinion that the red/blue issue is indeed 'dead in the water' and I ask you to explain to me exactly what do you think this (or any other) march will do to change things?

Vincent Tan has 'put his money where his mouth is' WHEN NO-ONE ELSE WOULD and we were inches from Administration and/or extinction. In return (and in order to secure interest from the money-rich Far Eastern Markets) he asked for the shirts to be changed to red as that colour (along with the number 8) is viewed in that culture as 'lucky'

For £80m, survival, stabilisation and promotion to the Premier League Who TF are we to realistically object?

As for your "after 51 years" comment I can only say that most people I speak to (admittedly with one or two exceptions) are absolutely over the moon that Cardiff are in the Premier League and cannot wait for the big day to arrive and it may just be that the fact that a vociferous few say that they are not happy says more about them and their lack of understanding of the situation we were in no so long ago

Admittedly, I do think that the actual Championship Trophy-lifting ceremony was a bit of an anti-climax (particularly once the players and staff were shepherded into the corner) and that was partly because promotion itself was pretty much on the cards once we opened an 10 point+ gap at the top of the table earlier in the season. By the time it was 'confirmed' many fans had almost become blasé about it and (if I am being honest) I was one of them

I am not objecting to anyone going on the march. I simply cannot see the logic/benefit of it and I vehemently believe that the sooner some people realise that the Red/Blue issue is not worth the energy they are putting into it the better because we can then ALL move on; either by continuing to support the club OR by walking away (if they feel so strongly) as one or two have done

Unfortunately, there are a few who will ALWAYS find something negative to bleat on about without realistically being able to justify themselves. Some of the 'reasons' I have heard for rejecting the red have been, frankly, pathetic and I have yet to read a justifiable 'reason' as to why (a) the change to red has 'stripped us of our identity/history, and (b) why they would prefer to stay in the lower leagues rather than embrace to wonderful opportunity we now have to 'join the elite' in the Premier League

Vincent Tan was largely responsible for that happening (along with Malky and the boys, of course) and for that I am personally very grateful...even if that means I have to RELUCTANTLY accept my beloved team playing in red for the foreseeable future, i.e. whilst VT is around (which I hope is a long time going on his influence to date)

Yes well a lot of the stuff you have said here I have disagreed with previously. I cannot be arsed to go over it again. Your not going to change your opinion and I don't see why I should change mine.

You do give me the impression you are here now for the glory now than the traditions of the club which really saddens me. You and many others I should say.

This march this Sunday is actually more of a gathering of people and I for one I'm hoping it will be the start of an organisation to support the blue cause that has been lacking this last season. Dead in the water you say, well I hope not I really do.

As for Sunday? It is NOT (IMHO) a 'celebration' it is a number of pissed off individuals who want to keep banging on about an issue that is (for now at least) dead in the water

This is far from dead in the water. We have just got to the top league after 51 years but you would not think so. Why is that then?

I think so, 50k people agree who were down the bay

Rubbish, being down the bay doesn't automatically mean that you think it's dead in the water..

Do you endorse the abuse of and threats of violence towards those who want to wear red, the colours of our football team?

No, it is totally wrong & I have said that before after the protest against Blackburn did the same.. (Though why you are targeting me with that question, I don't know..)

Bakedalasker: Fair do's you are correct that we won't change our differing opinions but I find the 'glory hunter' label very confusing, as I have waited 40-odd years for the day Cardiff City FC play in the top division and no-one until now has delivered that dream for the long-suffering fans

Why on Earth would I NOT want to be part of it?

Wear Red and they will start abusing you.

Good

Enjoy you're marchs and whatever just celebrate by wearing blue and all that.. as long as you realise that it won't get blue back then anyone should take part.

Wear Red and they will start abusing you.

Good

Let people where what they want without fear of being attacked and abused. If you want to wear red then wear red.

If you really want to get some good news coverage..Wear HELP FOR HERO's T SHIRTS.

Wear Red and they will start abusing you.

Good

Let people where what they want without fear of being attacked and abused. If you want to wear red then wear red.

If you really want to get some good news coverage..Wear HELP FOR HERO's T SHIRTS.

You didnt just say that.......

Wear Red and they will start abusing you.

Good

Enjoy you're marchs and whatever just celebrate by wearing blue and all that.. as long as you realise that it won't get blue back then anyone should take part.

Pardon?

Wear Red and they will start abusing you.

Good

Let people where what they want without fear of being attacked and abused. If you want to wear red then wear red.

If you really want to get some good news coverage..Wear HELP FOR HERO's T SHIRTS.

You didnt just say that.......

Craig. I was being serious regarding getting press , by saying that, I didnt mean NOT to wear blue. I meant "A gesture" such as at 2.30pm when the lad was butchered all change shirts for ten minutes. It would be in every paper in the Country and networked . I am sure.
Hope that explains a little Craig.

You didnt just say that.......

Why try take the moral high ground, when you've wished death on people before?

You want to use yesterdays murder as a way of getting tge rebrand in the press??????

You didnt just say that.......

Why try take the moral high ground, when you've wished death on people before?

Using a murder to get in the press for promoting the rebrand is worse than me telling some dick head who abused me for no reason to "f**k off and die"

You want to use yesterdays murder as a way of getting tge rebrand in the press??????

Craig that is a very unfair statement mate. In my old, warped, loyal,mind I would have thought it would have sent an incredibly strong message that shows we care .
However I can understand your view as well.

I didn't expect to get away unscathed.
Good luck for Sunday anyway.

You want to use yesterdays murder as a way of getting tge rebrand in the press??????

Craig that is a very unfair statement mate. In my old, warped, loyal,mind I would have thought it would have sent an incredibly strong message that shows we care .
However I can understand your view as well.

I didn't expect to get away unscathed.
Good luck for Sunday anyway.

You didnt just say that.......

Why try take the moral high ground, when you've wished death on people before?

Using a murder to get in the press for promoting the rebrand is worse than me telling some dick head who abused me for no reason to "f**k off and die"

Craig, Isn't it time you rebranded your avatar to Deathwish2?

If you did a minutes silence or something similar at the time. Dont you think you may attract a lot of peoples attention for a while in an extremely positive way?

You want to use yesterdays murder as a way of getting tge rebrand in the press??????

Craig that is a very unfair statement mate. In my old, warped, loyal,mind I would have thought it would have sent an incredibly strong message that shows we care .
However I can understand your view as well.

I didn't expect to get away unscathed.
Good luck for Sunday anyway.

I was asking if thats what you were implying as i wasnt sure. Thats how i read your post and just wanted clarification.

If you did a minutes silence or something similar at the time. Dont you think you may attract a lot of peoples attention for a while in an extremely positive way?

It depends on the reasons for doing it. If you want to grab peoples attentions by using the murder of a soldier so you can preach to them about the rebrand then thats twisted.

You want to use yesterdays murder as a way of getting tge rebrand in the press??????

Craig that is a very unfair statement mate. In my old, warped, loyal,mind I would have thought it would have sent an incredibly strong message that shows we care .
However I can understand your view as well.

I didn't expect to get away unscathed.
Good luck for Sunday anyway.

I was asking if thats what you were implying as i wasnt sure. Thats how i read your post and just wanted clarification.

Hope i have cleared that up then.

If you did a minutes silence or something similar at the time. Dont you think you may attract a lot of peoples attention for a while in an extremely positive way?

I don't think we should involve politics or risk offending our muslim fanbase in Malaysia or Caardiff , Malaysia is a devoutly religeous place and Tan may walk, we can not let principles ruin our march to the Premier league...Keep it about the club sunday please.

If you did a minutes silence or something similar at the time. Dont you think you may attract a lot of peoples attention for a while in an extremely positive way?

I don't think we should involve politics or risk offending our muslim fanbase in Malaysia or Caardiff , Malaysia is a devoutly religeous place and Tan may walk, we can not let principles ruin our march to the Premier league...Keep it about the club sunday please.

Blue. I was extremely careful NOT to bring the race card into it. This incident evidently isnt about Muslims.

But I can see how you think . God forbid that I should offend a Muslim Person in Malaysia about one of our Countrymen getting his bloody head sawn of in front of passers by I shall be forever hanging my head in shame.

If people are turning up to these kind of events thinking they will change us back to blue then you are deluded.

If your doing it to just celebrate the colour blue then fair enough.

If people are turning up to these kind of events thinking they will change us back to blue then you are deluded.

If your doing it to just celebrate the colour blue then fair enough.

Explain how a fan movement can NOT implement change. I'm baffled by your conclusion, interested in the logic behind it.

If people are turning up to these kind of events thinking they will change us back to blue then you are deluded.

If your doing it to just celebrate the colour blue then fair enough.

Explain how a fan movement can NOT implement change. I'm baffled by your conclusion, interested in the logic behind it.

Because no-one really gives much of s**t about these events and media will surely jump onto this.

Apparently its not anti Tan its totally a pro Blue day nothing more nothing less. It is being organised by decent fans and if that is what you want to do get down there and enjoy yourself. For me the pro blue should be out at our games by wearing blue and singing pro blue songs

i agree with your wear blue at games,that sends the biggest message of all.

Indeed it does

It's what I do (wear the blue shirt) and sends out the message as loudly as any oratory prose

I might 'accept' the red but I don't have to BUY into it

You bought into it by giving Tan your cash.