PLASTICS

There's no room for the plastics. Simple.

Well there clearly is, if we are only averaging 23K max this season and then next season average 26K, thats 3K plastics. Plenty of room for plastics, just not as much room as swansea had!

Not really. You're forgetting that not many away fans came in any real numbers & that our away end will actually increase this summer.

There's no room for the plastics. Simple.

Well there clearly is, if we are only averaging 23K max this season and then next season average 26K, thats 3K plastics. Plenty of room for plastics, just not as much room as swansea had!

Not really. You're forgetting that not many away fans came in any real numbers & that our away end will actually increase this summer.

Well obviously the away fans cant be considered plastic. Unless they are only coming to watch the mighty CCFC!

If we average any more than 22.5K Cardiff fans only (which we clearly will) they are plastic. There is plenty of room at the CCS for plastic fans & the more successful we are, the more room the club will make at the stadium for them. So your still wrong!

There's no room for the plastics. Simple.

Well there clearly is, if we are only averaging 23K max this season and then next season average 26K, thats 3K plastics. Plenty of room for plastics, just not as much room as swansea had!

Not really. You're forgetting that not many away fans came in any real numbers & that our away end will actually increase this summer.

Well obviously the away fans cant be considered plastic. Unless they are only coming to watch the mighty CCFC!

If we average any more than 22.5K Cardiff fans only (which we clearly will) they are plastic. There is plenty of room at the CCS for plastic fans & the more successful we are, the more room the club will make at the stadium for them. So your still wrong!

You're totally missing my point. The average attendance this season INCLUDES the away support, which most of the time was at least half empty.

So even though it was not a full attendance at most games, there were several games that were sell outs for CCFC supporters.. This doesn't necessarily mean that the stadium will be at capacity.

Added to the fact that the away end has to be extended this season, that leaves little/no room for any new supporters.

There's no room for the plastics. Simple.

Well there clearly is, if we are only averaging 23K max this season and then next season average 26K, thats 3K plastics. Plenty of room for plastics, just not as much room as swansea had!

Not really. You're forgetting that not many away fans came in any real numbers & that our away end will actually increase this summer.

Well obviously the away fans cant be considered plastic. Unless they are only coming to watch the mighty CCFC!

If we average any more than 22.5K Cardiff fans only (which we clearly will) they are plastic. There is plenty of room at the CCS for plastic fans & the more successful we are, the more room the club will make at the stadium for them. So your still wrong!

You're totally missing my point. The average attendance this season INCLUDES the away support, which most of the time was at least half empty.

So even though it was not a full attendance at most games, there were several games that were sell outs for CCFC supporters.. This doesn't necessarily mean that the stadium will be at capacity.

Added to the fact that the away end has to be extended this season, that leaves little/no room for any new supporters.

Your missing the point. You can waffle all you like, you said and I quote:

There's no room for the plastics. Simple.

Theres loads of room, so your wrong!

Follow my simple explanation to see that I'm right and that you are wrong.

Follow my simple explanation to see that I'm right and that you are wrong.

There's no room for the plastics. Simple.

ive followed it and your still full of sh1t!

Follow my simple explanation to see that I'm right and that you are wrong.

There's no room for the plastics. Simple.

ive followed it and your still full of sh1t!

Not at all. Instead of giving out abuse, why not counter your statements with a simple explanation, or are you incapable of doing that?

You can't argue with facts - and I've dealt the facts to you. A number of HOME SELLOUTS (not including away crowds) plus an increase in the size of the away end (taking away home end capacity) means that there will be little/no room for any "plastic" fans next season.

Of course, IF the rumoured seating extensions go ahead, there will be a small number of extra seats for the home end crowd to enjoy.

Not at all. Instead of giving out abuse, why not counter your statements with a simple explanation, or are you incapable of doing that?

You can't argue with facts - and I've dealt the facts to you. A number of HOME SELLOUTS (not including away crowds) plus an increase in the size of the away end (taking away home end capacity) means that there will be little/no room for any "plastic" fans next season.

Of course, IF the rumoured seating extensions go ahead, there will be a small number of extra seats for the home end crowd to enjoy.

Again (going full circle here), You said:

There's no room for the plastics. Simple.

There will be more Cardiff fans on average next season than last season simply because we are in the Prem. So those extra fans will be plastic.

A fan is a fan to me but this thread is about plastics. So even if there is 1 plastic fan next season, then there is in fact room for plastics. Why is this difficult!

Waffle away! Your still wrong!

Can you tell me HOW there will be more CCFC fans in a stadium that was a home sell out on a number of occasions last season & one that has actually seen its capacity been reduced, due to the increased away allocation.

The only way there will be extra CCFC fans is IF the seating expansion does go ahead. It is only rumoured at the minute.

Thus far, you have totally failed to back up your claims that I am wrong with any sort of figures etc. Which leads me to believe that you are struggling & instead going for the "throwing insults" method of defence.

Not at all. Instead of giving out abuse, why not counter your statements with a simple explanation, or are you incapable of doing that?

You can't argue with facts - and I've dealt the facts to you. A number of HOME SELLOUTS (not including away crowds) plus an increase in the size of the away end (taking away home end capacity) means that there will be little/no room for any "plastic" fans next season.

Of course, IF the rumoured seating extensions go ahead, there will be a small number of extra seats for the home end crowd to enjoy.

Again (going full circle here), You said:

There's no room for the plastics. Simple.

There will be more Cardiff fans on average next season than last season simply because we are in the Prem. So those extra fans will be plastic.

A fan is a fan to me but this thread is about plastics. So even if there is 1 plastic fan next season, then there is in fact room for plastics. Why is this difficult!

Waffle away! Your still wrong!

You should know how this forum works by now mate, ill put it in as simple terms as possible for you.

Chuckles has spoken. Chuckles is never wrong.

End of thread.

Maybe you can explain Craig? Seeing you are insinuating agreement with the other poster.

How does he work out that there will be more CCFC fans this season, in a crowd which was already a home sellout a number of times last season, especially when that capacity is being reduced next season to allow more away fans in?

Its simple mathematics and easy enough to work out.

The ONLY way is with the rumoured seat extension, which hasn't been confirmed yet.

There's no room for the plastics. Simple.

Well there clearly is, if we are only averaging 23K max this season and then next season average 26K, thats 3K plastics. Plenty of room for plastics, just not as much room as swansea had!

Not really. You're forgetting that not many away fans came in any real numbers & that our away end will actually increase this summer.

Well obviously the away fans cant be considered plastic. Unless they are only coming to watch the mighty CCFC!

If we average any more than 22.5K Cardiff fans only (which we clearly will) they are plastic. There is plenty of room at the CCS for plastic fans & the more successful we are, the more room the club will make at the stadium for them. So your still wrong!

You're totally missing my point. The average attendance this season INCLUDES the away support, which most of the time was at least half empty.

So even though it was not a full attendance at most games, there were several games that were sell outs for CCFC supporters.. This doesn't necessarily mean that the stadium will be at capacity.

Added to the fact that the away end has to be extended this season, that leaves little/no room for any new supporters.

£3,000 tickets on general sale per game, new supporters can see a game through those.

There's no room for the plastics. Simple.

Well there clearly is, if we are only averaging 23K max this season and then next season average 26K, thats 3K plastics. Plenty of room for plastics, just not as much room as swansea had!

Not really. You're forgetting that not many away fans came in any real numbers & that our away end will actually increase this summer.

Well obviously the away fans cant be considered plastic. Unless they are only coming to watch the mighty CCFC!

If we average any more than 22.5K Cardiff fans only (which we clearly will) they are plastic. There is plenty of room at the CCS for plastic fans & the more successful we are, the more room the club will make at the stadium for them. So your still wrong!

You're totally missing my point. The average attendance this season INCLUDES the away support, which most of the time was at least half empty.

So even though it was not a full attendance at most games, there were several games that were sell outs for CCFC supporters.. This doesn't necessarily mean that the stadium will be at capacity.

Added to the fact that the away end has to be extended this season, that leaves little/no room for any new supporters.

£3,000 tickets on general sale per game, new supporters can see a game through those.

£3,000 A TICKET !?!?!

There's no room for the plastics. Simple.

Well there clearly is, if we are only averaging 23K max this season and then next season average 26K, thats 3K plastics. Plenty of room for plastics, just not as much room as swansea had!

Not really. You're forgetting that not many away fans came in any real numbers & that our away end will actually increase this summer.

Well obviously the away fans cant be considered plastic. Unless they are only coming to watch the mighty CCFC!

If we average any more than 22.5K Cardiff fans only (which we clearly will) they are plastic. There is plenty of room at the CCS for plastic fans & the more successful we are, the more room the club will make at the stadium for them. So your still wrong!

You're totally missing my point. The average attendance this season INCLUDES the away support, which most of the time was at least half empty.

So even though it was not a full attendance at most games, there were several games that were sell outs for CCFC supporters.. This doesn't necessarily mean that the stadium will be at capacity.

Added to the fact that the away end has to be extended this season, that leaves little/no room for any new supporters.

£3,000 tickets on general sale per game, new supporters can see a game through those.

Does that automatically mean they are plastics? No.

Those tickets were picked up this season too. Daft claims that MORE will be in this season, with many home sellouts, that's physically impossible.

Maybe you can explain Craig? Seeing you are insinuating agreement with the other poster.

How does he work out that there will be more CCFC fans this season, in a crowd which was already a home sellout a number of times last season, especially when that capacity is being reduced next season to allow more away fans in?

Its simple mathematics and easy enough to work out.

The ONLY way is with the rumoured seat extension, which hasn't been confirmed yet.

You can't answer it either then Craig? Okay.

£3,000 A TICKET !?!?!

Whoops forget the '£' hahahaha.

If this was Chelsea Forum (or any London club) that wouldn't have been noticed

Does that automatically mean they are plastics? No.

Those tickets were picked up this season too. Daft claims that MORE will be in this season, with many home sellouts, that's physically impossible.

No, it just means new fans have an equal opportunity to go as more seasoned supporters and I am sure many will take advantage of the opportunity.

Can you tell me HOW there will be more CCFC fans in a stadium that was a home sell out on a number of occasions last season & one that has actually seen its capacity been reduced, due to the increased away allocation.

The only way there will be extra CCFC fans is IF the seating expansion does go ahead. It is only rumoured at the minute.

Thus far, you have totally failed to back up your claims that I am wrong with any sort of figures etc. Which leads me to believe that you are struggling & instead going for the "throwing insults" method of defence.

You said:

There's no room for the plastics. Simple.

There is always room for plastics, so your wrong. Success brings out the plastics as is proven in our attendances this season in the Championship. It will be worse next season, then if we survive in the Prem good ol Mr Tan's gonna build a bigger stadium for even more plastics!

If you cant see that your either naive or a fool or even worse a naive fool!

Can you tell me HOW there will be more CCFC fans in a stadium that was a home sell out on a number of occasions last season & one that has actually seen its capacity been reduced, due to the increased away allocation.

The only way there will be extra CCFC fans is IF the seating expansion does go ahead. It is only rumoured at the minute.

Thus far, you have totally failed to back up your claims that I am wrong with any sort of figures etc. Which leads me to believe that you are struggling & instead going for the "throwing insults" method of defence.

You said:

There's no room for the plastics. Simple.

There is always room for plastics, so your wrong. Success brings out the plastics as is proven in our attendances this season in the Championship. It will be worse next season, then if we survive in the Prem good ol Mr Tan's gonna build a bigger stadium for even more plastics!

If you cant see that your either naive or a fool or even worse a naive fool!

So, again, you have failed to demonstrate HOW we are going to fit in new "plastic" fans when this season we have sold out many times in the home end & the home capacity is actually going to be reduced.

Are you going to continue childish name calling, or are you going to actually back up your theory?

Can you tell me HOW there will be more CCFC fans in a stadium that was a home sell out on a number of occasions last season & one that has actually seen its capacity been reduced, due to the increased away allocation.

The only way there will be extra CCFC fans is IF the seating expansion does go ahead. It is only rumoured at the minute.

Thus far, you have totally failed to back up your claims that I am wrong with any sort of figures etc. Which leads me to believe that you are struggling & instead going for the "throwing insults" method of defence.

You said:

There's no room for the plastics. Simple.

There is always room for plastics, so your wrong. Success brings out the plastics as is proven in our attendances this season in the Championship. It will be worse next season, then if we survive in the Prem good ol Mr Tan's gonna build a bigger stadium for even more plastics!

If you cant see that your either naive or a fool or even worse a naive fool!

So, again, you have failed to demonstrate HOW we are going to fit in new "plastic" fans when this season we have sold out many times in the home end & the home capacity is actually going to be reduced.

Are you going to continue childish name calling, or are you going to actually back up your theory?

Many times? Please name each home sell out for me and I will call you mistaken on most of them. The corner between Canton & Ninian was usually half full for starts...

£3,000 A TICKET !?!?!

Whoops forget the '£' hahahaha.

If this was Chelsea Forum (or any London club) that wouldn't have been noticed

Can you tell me HOW there will be more CCFC fans in a stadium that was a home sell out on a number of occasions last season & one that has actually seen its capacity been reduced, due to the increased away allocation.

The only way there will be extra CCFC fans is IF the seating expansion does go ahead. It is only rumoured at the minute.

Thus far, you have totally failed to back up your claims that I am wrong with any sort of figures etc. Which leads me to believe that you are struggling & instead going for the "throwing insults" method of defence.

You said:

There's no room for the plastics. Simple.

There is always room for plastics, so your wrong. Success brings out the plastics as is proven in our attendances this season in the Championship. It will be worse next season, then if we survive in the Prem good ol Mr Tan's gonna build a bigger stadium for even more plastics!

If you cant see that your either naive or a fool or even worse a naive fool!

So, again, you have failed to demonstrate HOW we are going to fit in new "plastic" fans when this season we have sold out many times in the home end & the home capacity is actually going to be reduced.

Are you going to continue childish name calling, or are you going to actually back up your theory?

I will gladly answer you, once you have proved that the 4000+ fans who only turned out for the big games this season and not the rest are not plastics.

I expect a Malky Mackay style dossier of evidence!

Otherwise your wrong!

Can you tell me HOW there will be more CCFC fans in a stadium that was a home sell out on a number of occasions last season & one that has actually seen its capacity been reduced, due to the increased away allocation.

The only way there will be extra CCFC fans is IF the seating expansion does go ahead. It is only rumoured at the minute.

Thus far, you have totally failed to back up your claims that I am wrong with any sort of figures etc. Which leads me to believe that you are struggling & instead going for the "throwing insults" method of defence.

You said:

There's no room for the plastics. Simple.

There is always room for plastics, so your wrong. Success brings out the plastics as is proven in our attendances this season in the Championship. It will be worse next season, then if we survive in the Prem good ol Mr Tan's gonna build a bigger stadium for even more plastics!

If you cant see that your either naive or a fool or even worse a naive fool!

So, again, you have failed to demonstrate HOW we are going to fit in new "plastic" fans when this season we have sold out many times in the home end & the home capacity is actually going to be reduced.

Are you going to continue childish name calling, or are you going to actually back up your theory?

Many times? Please name each home sell out for me and I will call you mistaken on most of them. The corner between Canton & Ninian was usually half full for starts...

Yes, well read. Many times.

I don't have them on the top of my head, all I know is that at a number of games, you were unable to buy a home ticket. That's a sell out. Whether fans turn up or not is a differing matter.

Can you tell me HOW there will be more CCFC fans in a stadium that was a home sell out on a number of occasions last season & one that has actually seen its capacity been reduced, due to the increased away allocation.

The only way there will be extra CCFC fans is IF the seating expansion does go ahead. It is only rumoured at the minute.

Thus far, you have totally failed to back up your claims that I am wrong with any sort of figures etc. Which leads me to believe that you are struggling & instead going for the "throwing insults" method of defence.

You said:

There's no room for the plastics. Simple.

There is always room for plastics, so your wrong. Success brings out the plastics as is proven in our attendances this season in the Championship. It will be worse next season, then if we survive in the Prem good ol Mr Tan's gonna build a bigger stadium for even more plastics!

If you cant see that your either naive or a fool or even worse a naive fool!

So, again, you have failed to demonstrate HOW we are going to fit in new "plastic" fans when this season we have sold out many times in the home end & the home capacity is actually going to be reduced.

Are you going to continue childish name calling, or are you going to actually back up your theory?

Many times? Please name each home sell out for me and I will call you mistaken on most of them. The corner between Canton & Ninian was usually half full for starts...

Yes, well read. Many times.

I don't have them on the top of my head, all I know is that at a number of games, you were unable to buy a home ticket. That's a sell out. Whether fans turn up or not is a differing matter.

Don't patronise people, particularly your fellow Bluebirds.

I can only think of the Charlton & Bolton games myself. Maybe Palace Boxing Day? Could easily get tickets for any other match.

Can you tell me HOW there will be more CCFC fans in a stadium that was a home sell out on a number of occasions last season & one that has actually seen its capacity been reduced, due to the increased away allocation.

The only way there will be extra CCFC fans is IF the seating expansion does go ahead. It is only rumoured at the minute.

Thus far, you have totally failed to back up your claims that I am wrong with any sort of figures etc. Which leads me to believe that you are struggling & instead going for the "throwing insults" method of defence.

You said:

There's no room for the plastics. Simple.

There is always room for plastics, so your wrong. Success brings out the plastics as is proven in our attendances this season in the Championship. It will be worse next season, then if we survive in the Prem good ol Mr Tan's gonna build a bigger stadium for even more plastics!

If you cant see that your either naive or a fool or even worse a naive fool!

So, again, you have failed to demonstrate HOW we are going to fit in new "plastic" fans when this season we have sold out many times in the home end & the home capacity is actually going to be reduced.

Are you going to continue childish name calling, or are you going to actually back up your theory?

I will gladly answer you, once you have proved that the 4000+ fans who only turned out for the big games this season and not the rest are not plastics.

I expect a Malky Mackay style dossier of evidence!

Otherwise your wrong!

You still haven't answered. This topic was about extra "plastic" fans next season, not this season. Somebody is changing the goal posts to suit their view point..

My point is that because of a number of sell outs in the home end this season, means that there will be no/little room for newcomers.

Unless of course, you can magically fit more in.

Can you tell me HOW there will be more CCFC fans in a stadium that was a home sell out on a number of occasions last season & one that has actually seen its capacity been reduced, due to the increased away allocation.

The only way there will be extra CCFC fans is IF the seating expansion does go ahead. It is only rumoured at the minute.

Thus far, you have totally failed to back up your claims that I am wrong with any sort of figures etc. Which leads me to believe that you are struggling & instead going for the "throwing insults" method of defence.

You said:

There's no room for the plastics. Simple.

There is always room for plastics, so your wrong. Success brings out the plastics as is proven in our attendances this season in the Championship. It will be worse next season, then if we survive in the Prem good ol Mr Tan's gonna build a bigger stadium for even more plastics!

If you cant see that your either naive or a fool or even worse a naive fool!

So, again, you have failed to demonstrate HOW we are going to fit in new "plastic" fans when this season we have sold out many times in the home end & the home capacity is actually going to be reduced.

Are you going to continue childish name calling, or are you going to actually back up your theory?

Many times? Please name each home sell out for me and I will call you mistaken on most of them. The corner between Canton & Ninian was usually half full for starts...

Yes, well read. Many times.

I don't have them on the top of my head, all I know is that at a number of games, you were unable to buy a home ticket. That's a sell out. Whether fans turn up or not is a differing matter.

Don't patronise people, particularly your fellow Bluebirds.

I can only think of the Charlton & Bolton games myself. Maybe Palace Boxing Day? Could easily get tickets for any other match.

Don't tell me what to do.

Yes, that's a number of games isn't it?

What with the reduction of home seats from the increased away end, there's not much room for any new fans, if any.

You still haven't answered. This topic was about extra "plastic" fans next season, not this season. Somebody is changing the goal posts to suit their view point..

My point is that because of a number of sell outs in the home end this season, means that there will be no/little room for newcomers.

Unless of course, you can magically fit more in.

Well its big of you to admit to moving the goal posts to suit your view point. I didnt expect that from you.

There's no room for the plastics. Simple.

Your still wrong though!

Unless you can prove that the 4000+ fans who didnt turn up for all the games except the big ones are not plastics that is.