FAO Reluctantly reds, motivated by fear of liquidation?

I've always believed the liquidation factor was a tactic used by certain club employees to secure their own interests.

Do you think the HMRC Court cases and those winding up orders were made up as part of the plan.

No I don't think the winding up orders were made up. However what is to say the courts would have agreed the winding up order. What happened if someone else came along. What about the Malaysians pulling out then, would the like of PMG who had a high interest in the club just let it happen losing everything? I doubt it.

pmg was a secured creditor who has made millions from the deal, and would have been one of the few to have not lost much if anything from admin or liquidation.

As for other investors stepping in, yeh Ok keep trying to convince yourself, I'm sure there were loads of Billionaire mugs waiting in the wings, it's just they missed out the time before when we were in a bad position, but one ten times better than the one we were in this time.

Apparently there was a queue of billionaire investors lining up with suitcases full of cash, but the sun shone in Ridsdale's eyes so he missed them.

I give up on people like you 2.

No one knows who could have been waiting. Just because no one came forward does not mean no one was waiting in the wings. Take Leeds for examplle, how many knew about the consortium that want to take over now before GFH decided to move on? That is exactly how businessses work. I have explained this a few time but certain individuals just don't want to listen.

It seems to me we have a muppet amongst us who is having his strings pulled by the club officials. Officials who are only looking after their own interests and are quite happy to let Tan payroll everything so they can secure their own assets. They are not interested in the traditions of the club as it threatens their positions. These people have scaremongered a few of us and have done a very good job on them.

I've always believed the liquidation factor was a tactic used by certain club employees to secure their own interests.

Do you think the HMRC Court cases and those winding up orders were made up as part of the plan.

No I don't think the winding up orders were made up. However what is to say the courts would have agreed the winding up order. What happened if someone else came along. What about the Malaysians pulling out then, would the like of PMG who had a high interest in the club just let it happen losing everything? I doubt it.

pmg was a secured creditor who has made millions from the deal, and would have been one of the few to have not lost much if anything from admin or liquidation.

As for other investors stepping in, yeh Ok keep trying to convince yourself, I'm sure there were loads of Billionaire mugs waiting in the wings, it's just they missed out the time before when we were in a bad position, but one ten times better than the one we were in this time.

Apparently there was a queue of billionaire investors lining up with suitcases full of cash, but the sun shone in Ridsdale's eyes so he missed them.

I give up on people like you 2.

No one knows who could have been waiting. Just because no one came forward does not mean no one was waiting in the wings. Take Leeds for examplle, how many knew about the consortium that want to take over now before GFH decided to move on? That is exactly how businessses work. I have explained this a few time but certain individuals just don't want to listen.

It seems to me we have a muppet amongst us who is having his strings pulled by the club officials. Officials who are only looking after their own interests and are quite happy to let Tan payroll everything so they can secure their own assets. They are not interested in the traditions of the club as it threatens their positions. These people have scaremongered a few of us and have done a very good job on them.

Bakes

there was no one waiting to come in. as i have said several times we were in the high court to be liquidated by the HMRC and despite a written guarantee of the 6 million the revenue were still arguing we were trading insolvent and should be wound up.
i appreciate your frustration at the two posters but by the same token there are plenty of people out there saying there was another way but without being able to produce any evidence to show it.
we had missed the boat on administration so it was tans money or no football club it really was as simple as that

Do you think the HMRC Court cases and those winding up orders were made up as part of the plan. [/quote]

No I don't think the winding up orders were made up. However what is to say the courts would have agreed the winding up order. What happened if someone else came along. What about the Malaysians pulling out then, would the like of PMG who had a high interest in the club just let it happen losing everything? I doubt it.[/quote]

pmg was a secured creditor who has made millions from the deal, and would have been one of the few to have not lost much if anything from admin or liquidation.

As for other investors stepping in, yeh Ok keep trying to convince yourself, I'm sure there were loads of Billionaire mugs waiting in the wings, it's just they missed out the time before when we were in a bad position, but one ten times better than the one we were in this time.[/quote]

Apparently there was a queue of billionaire investors lining up with suitcases full of cash, but the sun shone in Ridsdale's eyes so he missed them. [/quote]

I give up on people like you 2.

No one knows who could have been waiting. Just because no one came forward does not mean no one was waiting in the wings. Take Leeds for examplle, how many knew about the consortium that want to take over now before GFH decided to move on? That is exactly how businessses work. I have explained this a few time but certain individuals just don't want to listen.

It seems to me we have a muppet amongst us who is having his strings pulled by the club officials. Officials who are only looking after their own interests and are quite happy to let Tan payroll everything so they can secure their own assets. They are not interested in the traditions of the club as it threatens their positions. These people have scaremongered a few of us and have done a very good job on them.[/quote]


Bakes

there was no one waiting to come in. as i have said several times we were in the high court to be liquidated by the HMRC and despite a written guarantee of the 6 million the revenue were still arguing we were trading insolvent and should be wound up.
i appreciate your frustration at the two posters but by the same token there are plenty of people out there saying there was another way but without being able to produce any evidence to show it.
we had missed the boat on administration so it was tans money or no football club it really was as simple as that[/quote]


You scaremongerer you.

Bakes

there was no one waiting to come in. as i have said several times we were in the high court to be liquidated by the HMRC and despite a written guarantee of the 6 million the revenue were still arguing we were trading insolvent and should be wound up.
i appreciate your frustration at the two posters but by the same token there are plenty of people out there saying there was another way but without being able to produce any evidence to show it.
we had missed the boat on administration so it was tans money or no football club it really was as simple as that

As I have said Steve it is not as if this would be in the public domain this waiting list. I have seen it happen many times companies on the verge of going out of business only for a last minute saviour to step in. That is the way it happens in our world.

Name me one club in this football league in our position that have had their doors slammed shut? There are a few other clubs worse of than us and have been through the mill and are still about.

Bakes

there was no one waiting to come in. as i have said several times we were in the high court to be liquidated by the HMRC and despite a written guarantee of the 6 million the revenue were still arguing we were trading insolvent and should be wound up.
i appreciate your frustration at the two posters but by the same token there are plenty of people out there saying there was another way but without being able to produce any evidence to show it.
we had missed the boat on administration so it was tans money or no football club it really was as simple as that

As I have said Steve it is not as if this would be in the public domain this waiting list. I have seen it happen many times companies on the verge of going out of business only for a last minute saviour to step in. That is the way it happens in our world.

Name me one club in this football league in our position that have had their doors slammed shut? There are a few other clubs worse of than us and have been through the mill and are still about.

Of course it would not have been in the public domain, but surely our directors would have been aware of it or our CEO, and they will tell you there was no list and there was no one waiting.

Bakes

there was no one waiting to come in. as i have said several times we were in the high court to be liquidated by the HMRC and despite a written guarantee of the 6 million the revenue were still arguing we were trading insolvent and should be wound up.
i appreciate your frustration at the two posters but by the same token there are plenty of people out there saying there was another way but without being able to produce any evidence to show it.
we had missed the boat on administration so it was tans money or no football club it really was as simple as that

As I have said Steve it is not as if this would be in the public domain this waiting list. I have seen it happen many times companies on the verge of going out of business only for a last minute saviour to step in. That is the way it happens in our world.

Name me one club in this football league in our position that have had their doors slammed shut? There are a few other clubs worse of than us and have been through the mill and are still about.

Of course it would not have been in the public domain, but surely our directors would have been aware of it or our CEO, and they will tell you there was no list and there was no one waiting.

Nope not for one moment, seen it many times where someone has stepped in when things have looked dead.

What your failing to see is that these directors were quite happy to allow Tan to payroll everything. Don't blame them, if I was in their shoes I would have done the same. Now we are premier I can see them all now demanding what is owed to them.

Basically they have used Tan and they have used you.

Bakes

there was no one waiting to come in. as i have said several times we were in the high court to be liquidated by the HMRC and despite a written guarantee of the 6 million the revenue were still arguing we were trading insolvent and should be wound up.
i appreciate your frustration at the two posters but by the same token there are plenty of people out there saying there was another way but without being able to produce any evidence to show it.
we had missed the boat on administration so it was tans money or no football club it really was as simple as that

As I have said Steve it is not as if this would be in the public domain this waiting list. I have seen it happen many times companies on the verge of going out of business only for a last minute saviour to step in. That is the way it happens in our world.

Name me one club in this football league in our position that have had their doors slammed shut? There are a few other clubs worse of than us and have been through the mill and are still about.

And you were willing to take that chance over a colour?

Bakes

there was no one waiting to come in. as i have said several times we were in the high court to be liquidated by the HMRC and despite a written guarantee of the 6 million the revenue were still arguing we were trading insolvent and should be wound up.
i appreciate your frustration at the two posters but by the same token there are plenty of people out there saying there was another way but without being able to produce any evidence to show it.
we had missed the boat on administration so it was tans money or no football club it really was as simple as that

As I have said Steve it is not as if this would be in the public domain this waiting list. I have seen it happen many times companies on the verge of going out of business only for a last minute saviour to step in. That is the way it happens in our world.

Name me one club in this football league in our position that have had their doors slammed shut? There are a few other clubs worse of than us and have been through the mill and are still about.

And you were willing to take that chance over a colour?

Yep.

Bakes

there was no one waiting to come in. as i have said several times we were in the high court to be liquidated by the HMRC and despite a written guarantee of the 6 million the revenue were still arguing we were trading insolvent and should be wound up.
i appreciate your frustration at the two posters but by the same token there are plenty of people out there saying there was another way but without being able to produce any evidence to show it.
we had missed the boat on administration so it was tans money or no football club it really was as simple as that

As I have said Steve it is not as if this would be in the public domain this waiting list. I have seen it happen many times companies on the verge of going out of business only for a last minute saviour to step in. That is the way it happens in our world.

Name me one club in this football league in our position that have had their doors slammed shut? There are a few other clubs worse of than us and have been through the mill and are still about.

And you were willing to take that chance over a colour?

Yep.

So you were willing to possibly let the club you claimto love go bust because of your love for the colour blue.

Words fail me. You were never fan.

Bakes

there was no one waiting to come in. as i have said several times we were in the high court to be liquidated by the HMRC and despite a written guarantee of the 6 million the revenue were still arguing we were trading insolvent and should be wound up.
i appreciate your frustration at the two posters but by the same token there are plenty of people out there saying there was another way but without being able to produce any evidence to show it.
we had missed the boat on administration so it was tans money or no football club it really was as simple as that

As I have said Steve it is not as if this would be in the public domain this waiting list. I have seen it happen many times companies on the verge of going out of business only for a last minute saviour to step in. That is the way it happens in our world.

Name me one club in this football league in our position that have had their doors slammed shut? There are a few other clubs worse of than us and have been through the mill and are still about.

And you were willing to take that chance over a colour?

Yep.

So you were willing to possibly let the club you claimto love go bust because of your love for the colour blue.

Words fail me. You were never fan.

He was, but obviously a fan of colours.For most of us, it goes much deeper, and the thought of seeing the club goes bust fills me with fear and dread, then we could talk about ripping hearts out and not just a loss of tradition, but a loss of everything including a future.
I love a gamble, but not with the future of the club, especially when we ain't got any cards left in our hand.

Bakes

there was no one waiting to come in. as i have said several times we were in the high court to be liquidated by the HMRC and despite a written guarantee of the 6 million the revenue were still arguing we were trading insolvent and should be wound up.
i appreciate your frustration at the two posters but by the same token there are plenty of people out there saying there was another way but without being able to produce any evidence to show it.
we had missed the boat on administration so it was tans money or no football club it really was as simple as that

As I have said Steve it is not as if this would be in the public domain this waiting list. I have seen it happen many times companies on the verge of going out of business only for a last minute saviour to step in. That is the way it happens in our world.

Name me one club in this football league in our position that have had their doors slammed shut? There are a few other clubs worse of than us and have been through the mill and are still about.

And you were willing to take that chance over a colour?

Yep.

So you were willing to possibly let the club you claimto love go bust because of your love for the colour blue.

Words fail me. You were never fan.

He was, but obviously a fan of colours.For most of us, it goes much deeper, and the thought of seeing the club goes bust fills me with fear and dread, then we could talk about ripping hearts out and not just a loss of tradition, but a loss of everything including a future.
I love a gamble, but not with the future of the club, especially when we ain't got any cards left in our hand.

So you two think Tan would have walked away after investing some £40 million knowing the returns getting to the premier would well oversee that? If so then all I can say is you two are totally deluded.

The only thing Tan has said that threatens the club is that he would look for other investors. That is not the talk of a deserter is it? To get other investors he would have to make the club more appealing and what better way than to get us into the premier.

It was never red or dead, that has been said many times but you 2 just don't listen.

That is not what i asked you.

I asked if you were willing to possibly let the club go bust over a colour. You answered yes.

Bakes

there was no one waiting to come in. as i have said several times we were in the high court to be liquidated by the HMRC and despite a written guarantee of the 6 million the revenue were still arguing we were trading insolvent and should be wound up.
i appreciate your frustration at the two posters but by the same token there are plenty of people out there saying there was another way but without being able to produce any evidence to show it.
we had missed the boat on administration so it was tans money or no football club it really was as simple as that

As I have said Steve it is not as if this would be in the public domain this waiting list. I have seen it happen many times companies on the verge of going out of business only for a last minute saviour to step in. That is the way it happens in our world.

Name me one club in this football league in our position that have had their doors slammed shut? There are a few other clubs worse of than us and have been through the mill and are still about.

Chester City

That is not what i asked you.

I asked if you were willing to possibly let the club go bust over a colour. You answered yes.

Just read the post again.

My reply was yep to not agreeing with the rebrand as I believed the club was not in danger of being wound up.

Bakes

there was no one waiting to come in. as i have said several times we were in the high court to be liquidated by the HMRC and despite a written guarantee of the 6 million the revenue were still arguing we were trading insolvent and should be wound up.
i appreciate your frustration at the two posters but by the same token there are plenty of people out there saying there was another way but without being able to produce any evidence to show it.
we had missed the boat on administration so it was tans money or no football club it really was as simple as that

As I have said Steve it is not as if this would be in the public domain this waiting list. I have seen it happen many times companies on the verge of going out of business only for a last minute saviour to step in. That is the way it happens in our world.

Name me one club in this football league in our position that have had their doors slammed shut? There are a few other clubs worse of than us and have been through the mill and are still about.

Chester City

Chester City were not in our position. We were going for premier football with all its riches to gain while Chester were conference and going no where.

Bakes

there was no one waiting to come in. as i have said several times we were in the high court to be liquidated by the HMRC and despite a written guarantee of the 6 million the revenue were still arguing we were trading insolvent and should be wound up.
i appreciate your frustration at the two posters but by the same token there are plenty of people out there saying there was another way but without being able to produce any evidence to show it.
we had missed the boat on administration so it was tans money or no football club it really was as simple as that

As I have said Steve it is not as if this would be in the public domain this waiting list. I have seen it happen many times companies on the verge of going out of business only for a last minute saviour to step in. That is the way it happens in our world.

Name me one club in this football league in our position that have had their doors slammed shut? There are a few other clubs worse of than us and have been through the mill and are still about.

Chester City

Chester City were not in our position. We were going for premier football with all its riches to gain while Chester were conference and going no where.

Wound up and dissolved over an unpaid tax bill and a lot less than we owed HMRC, no one in the wings waiting to take over the club in that case. Rushdon & Diamonds are another club that went to the wall chasing a dream which lets face it Football League status to those two clubs is on a par with Premier League status for Cardiff City.

We were able to "Go" for the Premier League because VT put up £10m+ to MM as a transfer budget, again no one in the wings offering to go even 50/50 with VT to finance that push and that's why in reality nothing could be done about this rebrand.

I don't believe it was ever Red or Dead but in my opinion it was absolutely Premier League or No Premier League in respect of what was done last season.

We were in a Glasgow Rangers position, but even worse, they were a Scottish team re starting in the lowest league level in their own country, we would have had to re apply to a different country just to get a place anywhere back in the English pyramid system, and that wasn't just a shoe in.