Trust urges Tan to return to blue

700 people responded (both members and non-members)

So 700 responded out of a registered fan data base of over 250,000, bet Tan is shitting himself.

Come off it Gwyn.

I am all for constructive and well reasoned criticism but , based on the constant negative nature of your posts and the deliberately inaccurate content which you contend to be fact you hardly come across in that manner.

In fact , you appear to be so deep in Vincent Tan`s pockets that , with the very high waistline he appears to prefer , you must be constantly touching his balls. Why are you so against democracy and the right of a group of people to express their opinions without fear of abuse or threats of violence etc.?

I notice you have never criticised the club for constantly refusing to ask the views of its database members that you are so keen to keep referring to (even though you know very well that the figure includes everyone that has ever bought even a single ticket ever for a CCFC game) , or even ask the views of its season ticket holders. You know full well (because you have been present when they have been asked) that the club has been asked to do so in order to get the views of a large percentage of its regular supporters but consistently refuse to do so.

If you are so adamant that you need large numbers of fans to have a meaningful poll result , why not support the call for the club to conduct such a poll , to be independently verified so that the results cannot be tampered with? Or do you feel that such support would impact adversely on your close relationship with certain club officials?

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What have the trust done in the past to support the fans, did they get a result or achieve anything? i have no idea never payed any interest in them as the club wont listen to 99% of what its thinking. Im all for them talking to the club along wiht 1000s of others im sure. The only thing i dont get is all this went on ONE YEAR and now the trust want to have a say in something thats already been done and dusted im afraid it will fall on deaf ears as much as it pains us

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700 people responded (both members and non-members)

So 700 responded out of a registered fan data base of over 250,000, bet Tan is shitting himself.

The 250,000 data base figure is a load of cods wallop though really isn't it. Where are the other 230,000 on match days?

700 people responded (both members and non-members)

So 700 responded out of a registered fan data base of over 250,000, bet Tan is shitting himself.

The 250,000 data base figure is a load of cods wallop though really isn't it. Where are the other 230,000 on match days?

shame tan isn,t really interested in the average ccfc fans view.if he was he could ballot s/t holders at the ground.simple.they make up the vast majority of the crowd and pay in advance for the honour.they are the people he should be bothered about not some geezer who went once in 2007 but is still on the database.im on hearts database cos iv watched em a few times.last time was 6yr ago.i shouldn,t have a say on any voting matter as i don,t go enough to deserve it.

700 people responded (both members and non-members)

So 700 responded out of a registered fan data base of over 250,000, bet Tan is shitting himself.

The 250,000 data base figure is a load of cods wallop though really isn't it. Where are the other 230,000 on match days?

shame tan isn,t really interested in the average ccfc fans view.if he was he could ballot s/t holders at the ground.simple.they make up the vast majority of the crowd and pay in advance for the honour.they are the people he should be bothered about not some geezer who went once in 2007 but is still on the database.im on hearts database cos iv watched em a few times.last time was 6yr ago.i shouldn,t have a say on any voting matter as i don,t go enough to deserve it.

700 people responded (both members and non-members)

So 700 responded out of a registered fan data base of over 250,000, bet Tan is shitting himself.

Come off it Gwyn.

I am all for constructive and well reasoned criticism but , based on the constant negative nature of your posts and the deliberately inaccurate content which you contend to be fact you hardly come across in that manner.

In fact , you appear to be so deep in Vincent Tan`s pockets that , with the very high waistline he appears to prefer , you must be constantly touching his balls. Why are you so against democracy and the right of a group of people to express their opinions without fear of abuse or threats of violence etc.?

I notice you have never criticised the club for constantly refusing to ask the views of its database members that you are so keen to keep referring to (even though you know very well that the figure includes everyone that has ever bought even a single ticket ever for a CCFC game) , or even ask the views of its season ticket holders. You know full well (because you have been present when they have been asked) that the club has been asked to do so in order to get the views of a large percentage of its regular supporters but consistently refuse to do so.

If you are so adamant that you need large numbers of fans to have a meaningful poll result , why not support the call for the club to conduct such a poll , to be independently verified so that the results cannot be tampered with? Or do you feel that such support would impact adversely on your close relationship with certain club officials?

Well said.

700 people responded (both members and non-members)

So 700 responded out of a registered fan data base of over 250,000, bet Tan is shitting himself.

Come off it Gwyn.

I am all for constructive and well reasoned criticism but , based on the constant negative nature of your posts and the deliberately inaccurate content which you contend to be fact you hardly come across in that manner.

In fact , you appear to be so deep in Vincent Tan`s pockets that , with the very high waistline he appears to prefer , you must be constantly touching his balls. Why are you so against democracy and the right of a group of people to express their opinions without fear of abuse or threats of violence etc.?

I notice you have never criticised the club for constantly refusing to ask the views of its database members that you are so keen to keep referring to (even though you know very well that the figure includes everyone that has ever bought even a single ticket ever for a CCFC game) , or even ask the views of its season ticket holders. You know full well (because you have been present when they have been asked) that the club has been asked to do so in order to get the views of a large percentage of its regular supporters but consistently refuse to do so.

If you are so adamant that you need large numbers of fans to have a meaningful poll result , why not support the call for the club to conduct such a poll , to be independently verified so that the results cannot be tampered with? Or do you feel that such support would impact adversely on your close relationship with certain club officials?

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700 people responded (both members and non-members)

So 700 responded out of a registered fan data base of over 250,000, bet Tan is shitting himself.

Do you want red or blue

I want blue, but with all the investment, and that wasn't offered to us.

700 people responded (both members and non-members)

So 700 responded out of a registered fan data base of over 250,000, bet Tan is shitting himself.

Do you want red or blue

I want blue, but with all the investment, and that wasn't offered to us.

you just seem to be defending tan at every opportunity, the trust has to start somewhere with a poll. The club won't do the poll as they know what the result will be and they don't want to upset Tan . He himself says he doesn't understand football what he doesn't realise he has split all the fans up , some fans hate the red but can't bear to leave the club(like me), some fans welcome the red and some have even stopped going altogether all because he thinks red is a lucky (ask Bristol how lucky red is) .

700 people responded (both members and non-members)

So 700 responded out of a registered fan data base of over 250,000, bet Tan is shitting himself.

Come off it Gwyn.

I am all for constructive and well reasoned criticism but , based on the constant negative nature of your posts and the deliberately inaccurate content which you contend to be fact you hardly come across in that manner.

hardly negative, I'm totally positive, my team are in the Premiership, we have a new training ground shortly to be announced, we are financially stable and have financial clout we could only dream of, we have stadium expansion plans in the pipeline, and have just had the best season I can remember, negative!!!! I have never been so positive.
To find negative I suggest looking in the mirror, because I have been savoring these great times rather than let them eat away at me, and as for inaccurate content, I'm not the one trying to word and make it look like the vast majority of Trust members are against it, if your figures are accurate how to you explain my wife and son as as still being shown as members, still having all the mail shots and voting rights yet dropped out of the Trust years ago and have not paid a penny since, and according to a recent post on here, they are not on their own, so before you come on spouting about inaccurate figures, I would suggest sorting out your own problems in house first.

If you as a board member think that the Trust should be classed as the protest group, then carry on, you'll attract some new members but lose a similar number in my opinion, but as for constructive partnership with the club and regular meetings and input, then i wouldn't be holding my breath.

Personally if the Trust are there to represent the majority view of the fan base, then they are way off the mark in my opinion, if they wish to take a certain direction based on the views of a few then carry on, but please don't try and say it's democratic, but please don't try and say you are speaking for the fan base, none of us do that, the fan base will speak for themselves by turning up and supporting, or not trurning up and turning their back on the club, that's the real democarcy

In fact , you appear to be so deep in Vincent Tan`s pockets that , with the very high waistline he appears to prefer , you must be constantly touching his balls. Why are you so against democracy and the right of a group of people to express their opinions without fear of abuse or threats of violence etc.?


Would you be prepared to back that slanderous claim up in court Keith, because as of yet there has been no evidence to prove I have threatened anyone for supporting democracy, but if democracy means out of a fan base registered of over 250,000 and a recorded ticket application of 80,000 plus for tickets for one major game, to say that 700 people is a fair democratic representation is total bollocks, if the majority of our support was that against the rebrand, 1. they would have taken the trouble to vote against it. 2. they would have asked for a refund on their season tickets,50 did, they would have stopped attending and financially supporting Vt and his club, possibly a hundred have 3. no way would they have taken up the free scarf, 90% of those in attendance did.

If you are doing a proper survey, then ask open questions not loaded ones
Would you rather be in blue?, of course we would.
Ask them would they rather be in blue and still facing winding up orders and not having the investment that came along with the rebrand.

The vast majority of fans were prepared to accept the rebrand for the benefits that came with it, now that we have benfitted and got promotion and look likely to stabilise our finances and VT is honoring his pledges one by one, are you saying we as fans should renege on our part of agreeing to the deal.
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If you think your vote means anything other than a pointless paper exercise, then ask for and show your level of support by getting those 700 people to boycott the first home game. Perhaps people will start taking them seriously then.

I notice you have never criticised the club for constantly refusing to ask the views of its database members that you are so keen to keep referring to (even though you know very well that the figure includes everyone that has ever bought even a single ticket ever for a CCFC game) , or even ask the views of its season ticket holders. You know full well (because you have been present when they have been asked) that the club has been asked to do so in order to get the views of a large percentage of its regular supporters but consistently refuse to do so.

See above, survey or vote as much as you want to, If I go for a meal and it's crap or the service is poor, I can do a few things, such as complain, definitely don't tip, if it's that bad refuse to pay, and finally the best one is to not go there again, no need to vote no need to survey, if people stop going the business either has to change or fold, market forces.
Now you can survey vote as often as you want to, but as a few others have stated on many occasions, the only way to get results is to stop going and stop supporting or putting money into the club.

Do you think if they have a full vote or whatever it is you want and the results whatever they are will change his mind, or do you think he'll stand on his balcony and look at the full stadium and say "lucky red " as he does.

I repeat my view yet again, I think we should all work to get him feeling part of things and sucked in, and in the meantime ask him to use blue as much as possible alongside red, that way he will not be seen to lose face, and hopefully in the future things will change and we can get back to blue.
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If you are so adamant that you need large numbers of fans to have a meaningful poll result , why not support the call for the club to conduct such a poll , to be independently verified so that the results cannot be tampered with? Or do you feel that such support would impact adversely on your close relationship with certain club officials?

I'm not bothered about needing a meaningful poll result, what I don't want is the tail wagging the dog, when in truth the dog hasn't even noticed it's got a tail.As for any poll having an impact on my relationship with anyone at the club, the only relationship I have with any club staff is as a customer or a friend on a personal basis, and for the love of me, I can't see why any poll would affect that.

I think it is a very positive sign that the Trust are at last starting to represent the views of ALL fans and not just thier members. In my opinion it doesn't matter how many fans responded to this poll of how many fans are recorded on a fans database the biggest positive is the Trust doing it's best to represent the views of us the fans.

VT may not be to concerned about this poll but he was concerned enough to talk about fans singing about "The Blues" during his speech at the Player Of The Year bash. Forget about the dragon protecting the Bluebird nonsense he was concerned about fans singing about "The Blues" when Chelsea visit the CCS next season. Why?

Because at the final two home games of the season he witnessed the home fans, on all four sides of the stadium, singing "The Blues Are Going Up" and that had more impact than any newspaper speculation on fan unrest, or TLG standing outside the stadium giving a 20 second missive on how HIS club had changed to local TV.

The 23,000+ home fans present at those matches told him everything he needs to know and that is he will NEVER take away the fans identifying Cardiff City FC with the colour BLUE and the affection for the nickname "Bluebirds".

In my opinion fans have been nothing more than pragmatic this season about VT whole RED or no money statement but if VT has any sense he will change back to BLUE as our primary colour at the earliest possible moment.

I believe he will deliver on all his promises about convert debt to equity, building a training ground and extending the stadium. That and delivering PL football should have made him a legend but that will only happen now when he returns our club to BLUE.


And in my opinion he will.

700 fans, looks a bit embarrassing to be honest when we have 25000 turn up to a home game,tan will see it the same too.
Blue compromise on the red kit would be more realistic.
The trust demand? Who are these guys anyway I know loads of fellow bluebirds but not one who is part of the "trust" lol.

Don't they base the TV viewing figures on a survey of 1000 people?

From that they work out that 7m watched the FA Cup Final, 10 million watched Dr Who and 16million saddos watched the X Factor .

700 is a fair proportion to survey out of 23000 regular home supporters if you compare it with the above.

I don't know about tv viewing figures but that's differant to football init, they should do a survey on every fan not just the trust, the trust doesn't really and shouldn't represent the fan base of cardiff city cos they are a minority and me or a lot of fans I know won't have a clue who the trust members are so it's a bit pointless in my opinion

The Football is 'different' excuse is a lazy, tired and flawed concept because simply it is no different to any other business, industry or institution. Football as to play by the same rules that govern TV, Sport, Manafactoring or Service providers.

Also it is impossible to survey "every" fan and even if an open vote were held there wouldn't be anywhere near 27000 respondents.

So the answer is to take a survey in the same way as TV viewing figures and even General Election voting intentions are worked out.

That's what's been done and I congratulate the Trust on their efforts.

700 people responded (both members and non-members)

So 700 responded out of a registered fan data base of over 250,000, bet Tan is shitting himself.

Come off it Gwyn.

I am all for constructive and well reasoned criticism but , based on the constant negative nature of your posts and the deliberately inaccurate content which you contend to be fact you hardly come across in that manner.

In fact , you appear to be so deep in Vincent Tan`s pockets that , with the very high waistline he appears to prefer , you must be constantly touching his balls. Why are you so against democracy and the right of a group of people to express their opinions without fear of abuse or threats of violence etc.?

I notice you have never criticised the club for constantly refusing to ask the views of its database members that you are so keen to keep referring to (even though you know very well that the figure includes everyone that has ever bought even a single ticket ever for a CCFC game) , or even ask the views of its season ticket holders. You know full well (because you have been present when they have been asked) that the club has been asked to do so in order to get the views of a large percentage of its regular supporters but consistently refuse to do so.

If you are so adamant that you need large numbers of fans to have a meaningful poll result , why not support the call for the club to conduct such a poll , to be independently verified so that the results cannot be tampered with? Or do you feel that such support would impact adversely on your close relationship with certain club officials?

Keith as you know I have had several goes at the Trust over the past few years.

However, I now sense direction coming from the Trust Board and some much needed strong leadership from Tim Hartley. I understand that this survey is a small but more importantly a start and I congratulate you for your efforts and will be watching closely to see what develops.

Again I understand nothing will happen overnight but it is about time the club met with the Trust who can explain these survey results with some conviction (700 is a good number to survey) and expressed the deep feelings of the supporters which is Blue at heart.

Yes we are pragmatic and will tolerate red whilst Tan does his work in the Far East, but as Castle said the singing by 27000 at CCS that the "Blues are going up" is the biggest survey of all and I am convinced he can be talked into changing back one day.

Finally I can't leave without making some criticisms. You have put up a fantastic argument via your post apart from the personal digs at BigGwyn. As far as I know he has never threatened anyone, he may have had some passionate debates, but he has threatened no-one.

Further he might be a 20 stone ex-judo champion but that doesn’t mean he is automatically a violent person and comments like that are not very helpful and play on bigoted stereotyping.

Indeed if you take his opinion at face value he makes some excellent points, some which you might even adopt and use to the Trust’s advantage.

So my advice for what it’s worth on this matter would be you should stick to facts (the Trust will have masses of good will) and make your arguments on that alone. Trying to belittle opponents will only lose you support.

For those trying to follow this.

Black is Keith original reply
Red is Gwyns reply
Blue is Keiths reply to Gwyn

700 people responded (both members and non-members)

So 700 responded out of a registered fan data base of over 250,000, bet Tan is shitting himself.

Come off it Gwyn.

I am all for constructive and well reasoned criticism but , based on the constant negative nature of your posts and the deliberately inaccurate content which you contend to be fact you hardly come across in that manner.

hardly negative, I'm totally positive, my team are in the Premiership, we have a new training ground shortly to be announced, we are financially stable and have financial clout we could only dream of, we have stadium expansion plans in the pipeline, and have just had the best season I can remember, negative!!!! I have never been so positive.

THE NEGATIVITY I AM REFERRING TO IS YOUR NEGATIVE ATTITUDE TO ANYONE THAT EVEN RAISES A QUESTION ABOUT WHAT VINCENT TAN HAS DONE OR HAS GONE ABOUT IT.YOU INSTANTLY FEEL THE NEED TO TRY AND BELITTLE THEM IN YOUR POSTS WHICH ARE OFTEN MISLEADING OR INACCURATE IN THE CLAIMS YOU MAKE (NUMBER OF TRUST MEMBERS, DATABASE NUMBRS ETC).

DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT PEOPLE LIKE MYSELF AND OTHER TRUST MEMBERS ARE IN SOME WAY NOT AS BIG A FAN AS YOURSELF (AND IN SOME CASES FOR A LOT LONGER THAN YOU) AND THEREFORE ARE NOT DELIGHTED THAT THE CLUB HAS AT LAST RETURNED TO THE TOP LEVEL - IN MY CASE I HAVE WAITED 51 SEASONS?

To find negative I suggest looking in the mirror, because I have been savoring these great times rather than let them eat away at me, and as for inaccurate content, I'm not the one trying to word and make it look like the vast majority of Trust members are against it,

THE POLL SHOWED THAT THE VAST MAJORITY OF TRUST MEMBERS (AND NON MEMBERS WHO VOTED IN PARALLEL) WHO VOTED ARE AGAINST THE REBRAND.THE POLL WAS OPEN TO EVERYONE AND SO IF MEMBERS WERE IN FAVOUR OF IT (15% WERE) THEN THEY COULD HAVE VOTED ACCORDINGLY.

if your figures are accurate how to you explain my wife and son as as still being shown as members, still having all the mail shots and voting rights yet dropped out of the Trust years ago and have not paid a penny since, and according to a recent post on here, they are not on their own, so before you come on spouting about inaccurate figures, I would suggest sorting out your own problems in house first.

I CAN`T EXPLAIN WHY YOU STILL RECEIVE MAILSHOTS AS I HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH MEMBERSHIP REGISTRATION. I WILL ASK THE MEMBERSHIP SECRETARY TO CHECK.

If you as a board member think that the Trust should be classed as the protest group, then carry on, you'll attract some new members but lose a similar number in my opinion, but as for constructive partnership with the club and regular meetings and input, then i wouldn't be holding my breath.

I DON`T THINK THE TRUST SHOULD BE CLASSED AS A PROTEST GROUP AT ALL TIMES , BUT SHOULD PROTEST ON BEHALF OF ITS MEMBERS IF THAT`S WHAT ITS MEMBERS WANT - AGAIN THAT`S THE DEMOCRATIC BIT YOU DON`T SEEM TO GRASP.

Personally if the Trust are there to represent the majority view of the fan base, then they are way off the mark in my opinion, if they wish to take a certain direction based on the views of a few then carry on, but please don't try and say it's democratic, but please don't try and say you are speaking for the fan base, none of us do that, the fan base will speak for themselves by turning up and supporting, or not trurning up and turning their back on the club, that's the real democarcy

HAVEN`T EVER SAID THE TRUST IS ACTING FOR THE FAN BASE AS A WHOLE , JUST THOSE WHO CHOOSE TO JOIN IT AND/OR CHOOSE TO COMMENT IN POLLS OPEN TO THEM. TRUST MEMBERS .LIKE YOU , TURN UP AND SUPPORT THE CLUB.

In fact , you appear to be so deep in Vincent Tan`s pockets that , with the very high waistline he appears to prefer , you must be constantly touching his balls. Why are you so against democracy and the right of a group of people to express their opinions without fear of abuse or threats of violence etc.?


Would you be prepared to back that slanderous claim up in court Keith, because as of yet there has been no evidence to prove I have threatened anyone for supporting democracy,

WHAT IS SLANDEROUS ABOUT WHAT I HAVE WRITTEN (BY THE WAY SLANDER IS SPOKEN WORD , LIBEL IS WRITTEN WORD)? I HAVE NEVER ACCUSED YOU PERSONALLY OF VIOLENCE. I HAVE SAID YOU APPEAR TO BE AGAINST THE RIGHT OF PEOPLE TO EXPRESS THEIR VIEWS WITHOUT FEAR OF THREATS OF VIOLENCE.IF YOU COULD OPENLY STATE THAT YOU ARE ALSO AGAINST THE PEOPLE WHO YOU HAVE WITNESSED USING SUCH THREATS THAT WOULD HELP MANY PEOPLE`S PERCEPTION THAT YOU ARE IN FAVOUR OF SUCH THREATS.
but if democracy means out of a fan base registered of over 250,000 and a recorded ticket application of 80,000 plus for tickets for one major game, to say that 700 people is a fair democratic representation is total bollocks,

IT IS A FAIR DEMOCRATIC REPRESENTATION FOR AS LONG AS THE CLUB REFUSES TO CARRY OUT ITS OWN SIMILAR SURVEY BASED UPON THE FAR LARGER VOTING POPULATION (I.E.20,000 SEASON TICKET HOLDERS )IT HAS READY ACCESS TO

if the majority of our support was that against the rebrand, 1. they would have taken the trouble to vote against it. 2. they would have asked for a refund on their season tickets,50 did, they would have stopped attending and financially supporting Vt and his club, possibly a hundred have 3. no way would they have taken up the free scarf, 90% of those in attendance did.

SO LETS TEST THAT THEORY OF YOURS WITH THE AFOREMENTIONED POLL OF SEASON TICKET HOLDERS. IF THEY VOTE TO SAY THEY DO NOT PREFER THE CLUB TO RETURN TO BLUE , I AM PERFECTLY HAPPY TO ACCEPT THAT VIEW.

If you are doing a proper survey, then ask open questions not loaded ones
Would you rather be in blue?, of course we would.
Ask them would they rather be in blue and still facing winding up orders and not having the investment that came along with the rebrand.

AS YOU KEEP SAYING , THAT IS HISTORY NOT LOOKING FORWARD INTO THE FUTURE. NOW THAT WE ARE PROMOTED AND THEREFORE ON A FAR MORE STABLE FINANCIAL FOOTING , IS NOT THE RELEVANT QUESTION A MORE STRAIGHFORWARD ONE OF COLOUR PEREFERENCE?

The vast majority of fans were prepared to accept the rebrand for the benefits that came with it, now that we have benfitted and got promotion and look likely to stabilise our finances and VT is honoring his pledges one by one, are you saying we as fans should renege on our part of agreeing to the deal.

HOW WOULD FANS BE RENEGING? THEY WERE FORCED TO ACCEPT CERTAIN TERMS , WITHOUT CONSULTATION OR ADVANCE WARNING , DELIVERED AS A FAIT ACCOMPLI. ONLY A FEW FANS (INCLUDING YOURSELF I BELIEVE) WERE GIVEN ADVANCE WARNING OF THE CHANGES PRIOR TO THAT MEETING IN MAY LAST YEAR.

If you think your vote means anything other than a pointless paper exercise, then ask for and show your level of support by getting those 700 people to boycott the first home game. Perhaps people will start taking them seriously then.

WHY WOULD A FAN WANT TO BOYCOTT A GAME BEING PLAYED BY THE TEAM THEY SUPPORT? .

I notice you have never criticised the club for constantly refusing to ask the views of its database members that you are so keen to keep referring to (even though you know very well that the figure includes everyone that has ever bought even a single ticket ever for a CCFC game) , or even ask the views of its season ticket holders. You know full well (because you have been present when they have been asked) that the club has been asked to do so in order to get the views of a large percentage of its regular supporters but consistently refuse to do so.

See above, survey or vote as much as you want to, If I go for a meal and it's crap or the service is poor, I can do a few things, such as complain, definitely don't tip, if it's that bad refuse to pay, and finally the best one is to not go there again, no need to vote no need to survey, if people stop going the business either has to change or fold, market forces.
Now you can survey vote as often as you want to, but as a few others have stated on many occasions, the only way to get results is to stop going and stop supporting or putting money into the club.

SO YOU ARE IN FAVOUT THEN OF THE CLUB REFUSING TO ASK THE VIEWS OF ITS FANBASE? AND YOU REALLY THINK THAT THE ONLY WAY TO GET RESULTS IS TO STOP GOING AND STOP SUPPORTING? WHEN HOOLIGANISM WAS AT ITS PEAK IN THE CLUB AND OUR REPUTATION WAS IN THE GUTTER , DID YOU STOP GOING AND STOP SUPPORTING OR DID YOU STAY WITH THE CLUB AND TRY AND CHANGE THINGS FROM WITHIN THROUGH ORGANISATIONS SUCH AS THE VALLEY RAMS?

Do you think if they have a full vote or whatever it is you want and the results whatever they are will change his mind, or do you think he'll stand on his balcony and look at the full stadium and say "lucky red " as he does.

I THINK IF THEIR IS A FULL VOTE AND THE RESULTS WILL PUBLICLY ILLUSTRATE WHAT FANS THINK , THEN VT CAN STILL DO WHAT HE LIKES I AGREE , BUT AGAINST A BACKGROUND OF THE PUBLIC BEING FULLY AWARE THAT HE DOES SO AGAINST THE OPINIONS OF THE FANS . IF HE BELIEVES THAT THE MAJORITY OF FANS WILL AGREE A "LUCKY RED" POLICY , THEN FAIR ENOUGH HE WILL BE SEEN TO BE DOING SO WITH THE FULL BLESSING OF THE FANBASE.

I repeat my view yet again, I think we should all work to get him feeling part of things and sucked in, and in the meantime ask him to use blue as much as possible alongside red, that way he will not be seen to lose face, and hopefully in the future things will change and we can get back to blue.
If you think that pressure conflict and protesting will achieve the best results for the long term future of the club, then carry on and do your worse.

OF COURSE , YOU ARE FULLY ENTITLED TO SUCH A VIEW , WHICH IS A REASONABLE PART OF YOUR OVERALL STANCE. BUT I CANNOT BELIEVE THAT YOU HAVE GONE THROUGH LIFE YOURSELF WITHOUT EVEN QUESTIONNING WHY THOSE IN POWER DO WHAT THEY DO. IS IT NOT A TRUISM THAT ABSOLUTE POWER CORRUPTS?

If you are so adamant that you need large numbers of fans to have a meaningful poll result , why not support the call for the club to conduct such a poll , to be independently verified so that the results cannot be tampered with? Or do you feel that such support would impact adversely on your close relationship with certain club officials?

I'm not bothered about needing a meaningful poll result, what I don't want is the tail wagging the dog, when in truth the dog hasn't even noticed it's got a tail.As for any poll having an impact on my relationship with anyone at the club, the only relationship I have with any club staff is as a customer or a friend on a personal basis, and for the love of me, I can't see why any poll would affect that.


SO YOU ARE NOT BOTHERED ABOUT A MEANINGFUL POLL RESULT , BUT YOU CRITICISE A POLL THAT HAS BEEN CARRIED OUT AS NOT BEING SUFFICIENTLY LARGE TO BE MEANINGFUL?

I will not show much respect to KCB or anyone who attempts to get Blue back as they should have done it last summer.

Like the majority fans I passionately want the Club to return to Blue and the only way for this to happen is for dialogue to take place between the fans and the Club. At the moment the only representation that the fans have is through the Trust and the Supporters Club and I agree with many others that the recent poll in which I took part is a fair representation of how the fans feel.

I was also at the recent POTY dinner and the supporters there also made it very clear how important the Blue and the Bluebirds name is to the fans and this was also very evident after the Charlton and Bolton games and also during the celebrations down the bay.

This has been a fantastic season for the Club and now as we move forward and in to the Premiership we need compromise and not confrontation because never mind what you think of Vincent Tan there is little doubt that without his investment we would not be where we are now and in fact there is every likelihood that we could be where Portsmouth are or possibly not have a club to support?

The ideal compromise would be Blue at home and Red away but if that is not possible then a fusion of Blue & Red in our shirts would be good and it is not unreasonable for the Trust and Supporters Club to campaign for this and I still firmly believe that we will return to Blue but whether that will be under VT is open to debate

Tan is quite aware of the situation.

Does it bother him or not, I would say no but you never know.

I will not show much respect to KCB or anyone who attempts to get Blue back as they should have done it last summer.

and last summer it was "dont rock the boat, otherwise Tan will leave" or "dont distract malky and the team, its not the right time"

Tan has the majority blackmailed over a barrel yes we want the blue back but we still buy season tickets and support the team and as an addict of ccfc like most of us are what ever your view on the rebrand the ground is full say no more.

I think he is thick skinned and he dont give a shit what his customers think I think the recognition in asia for tans team is all he wants he just wants asia to love him and he has done everything possible to do that and if his plan works he will be an even richer celeb.

In doing this he has to upset the core fan base in Wales I dont think he gives a shit about us one bit his concern is miles and miles away in asia.

The fact the trust is doing something is fantastic but i honestly believe whatever we do he wont give a flying f**k.

I hope somehow we win in the end and we do get the blue back but we all have to pull together and up to now thats a million million miles away and while we argue Tans dream rolls on regardless.Its all going to plan for Tan and this is why some people have walked away from are club.In Tan changing the colours and badge he has become bigger than the club fact and sorry but that should never ever of happened.

I hope the trust continue and win the fight in the end and Tan fucks off to notts forest where they love red.