SWAP OR NOT!

I agree.your colour is your identity that's why this problem just won't go away.

I define identity not just with the name, but by 3 things:
Name: Cardiff City FC
Crest: The Bluebird (as the main feature)
Colours: Blue/White (with yellow trim)

2/3 of our identity has been destroyed

thats why I dont go anymore... simple as...

Cardiff City back in blue under the Bluebird? Will go again wherever they play, regardless of their league's status...

Yes

Yes.....what?

rather BLUE and conference than this...

OK fair play.....if that is your preference.

Do you attend many matches?

not anymore

Well I do, as many as I possibly can, you cannot criticise fella, I realise you live abroad......

The fact of the matter is we now play in RED, I will never wear red, but I love this club and to an extent will 'go with the flow' for now.

But why do we follow a football team if not for success, do you want your team to lose????? as long as they are in BLUE?

I want OUR football club to be successful, not a red malaysian fc with a plastic crest...

I define identity not just with the name, but by 3 things:
Name: Cardiff City FC
Crest: The Bluebird (as the main feature)
Colours: Blue/White (with yellow trim)

2/3 of our identity has been destroyed

I decided to support Cardiff, not ManUtd, Liverpool, Chelsea etc, so guaranteed success is irrelevant. I wanted us to play in the premiership and do the famous Robin Friday pose and stick the 2 fingers up to the big clubs. Cardiff City, the Bluebirds, have made it through all those shit leagues to the premiership. we did all those shitty trips on a tuesday to sing our hearts out. we did that under OUR CREST, that was OUR CLUB...

I explained it earlier on in another thread:
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Tan is the reason why I dont go anymore...

I seriously tried to take the changes on board, my first reaction after the rebrand was "no way, this will never be accepted". Was about to book a flight and come over for a protest-march, thought there's going to be mayhem as noone would ever dare to touch our identity. But nothing happened. KCB was launched, but half-hearted and by the wrong guys. Plus they made the wrong calls and got bullied by some who I actually expected to lead the protest.

But as nothing happened, I thought may be I was in the wrong, maybe it could work, giving up your identity as we have given up Ninian...
Just before the season I made the decision, I need to find out myself. So I came over for 2 weeks, watching 4 City games in that period. And driving back from Brighton, I finally knew I could never ever accept the rebrand. This wasnt my club anymore, leaving Ninian was bad, it broke my heart. But seeing us in red with that thing as our crest tore my heart right out of my chest. It didnt feel like City anymore, this was an alien club, just happened to play in Cardiff. A club, I didnt choose to support. The excitement is as big as if I would watch the Cardiff Blues. A Cardiff team, "yeah lets go Taffies..." but that's it...

My last game at Bristol City was like a bad dream. A grey movie in which I am walking alone and feel no soul, no passion, no excitement...and that was what I once loved about the City. Not the success on the pitch, the feeling that this club once gave me.

To boycott the club I once loved to bits, is hard, but it feels worse watching it. Therefore I decided a few months back, I wouldnt watch them anymore. Still a Cardiff fan, but our CCFC not the new red club.

That is my decision, I respect Gwyn and all the others who accept the rebrand. But I demand that ones (like me) who simply cannot accept red and that badge for our club, are treated in the same manner. We put money into our club, we watched the team home and away, on cold tuesday night, on open terraces with rain pi$$ing down. We were there, and to hear from fellow "fans" stuff like: "your not a real fan, you wont be missed...good riddance" is just out of order.

Was I happy about promotion? Yes.
Will I go and watch the team in red in the premiership? Certainly not.

I just hope Tan goes asap and the next guy or guys in charge will give us our identity back. Until then, I am in exile...
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Fair enough.........I respect every word you have said you have your feelings and you stick to them.

I feel the same 'ish' but I continue to follow and support the club.

Me and my son will be at the game tomorrow and will cheer CCFC on

Me and my son will be at the game tomorrow and will cheer CCFC on

enjoy, mate.

I honestly didnt even watch them on the box/internet stream. I dont say I wont attend any away games in the future, but not a single penny for Tan. We are his customers, not fans, so I dont see the point of supporting him in his doing.

Me and my son will be at the game tomorrow and will cheer CCFC on

enjoy, mate.

I honestly didnt even watch them on the box/internet stream. I dont say I wont attend any away games in the future, but not a single penny for Tan. We are his customers, not fans, so I dont see the point of supporting him in his doing.

C'mon mate just once for the team you love

I would without any hesitation. It's not a supersad post, it's a post from someone who like myself, puts our clubs identity before success. Unfortunately, those who have commented in this thread so far want success at any cost. They may as well support Man Utd if they want to be associated with a successful team. I just want to be associated with my team, whatever the level. That's Cardiff City - The Bluebirds playing in blue!

How on Earth did you come to THAT conclusion, Tonteg Bluebird?
Because it's true. People are supporting the red because they want us to be successful on the pitch. Yes, you can say people are reluctantly accepting the red for the financial stability of our club, but that's only so they can see us have more funds to bring in better players to be more successful. It's all about success! If we stood up and declined the rebrand, we wouldn't have gone under. We may have struggled, had to sell our assets and plummeted down the leagues like Pompey, but that would have been fine for me! I would rather see us struggle in blue for 30 years than see us succeed in red as an unregonisable Cardiff City for life, although I accept I'm in the minority with this opinion.

It was yet another post (on top of many) that drags up a debate that is effectively 'dead in the water' in as much as it ain't gonna change whilst VT is in charge
It might be dead in the water for you, but not for me. I believe we would have lost the Bluebird completely this coming season if we didn't voice our opinions. The blue won't go away, VT knows it. Hear VT's speech with everyone chanting for the blue? That doesn't sound dead in the water to me!

No offence, but you don't speak for anyone other than yourself and you certainly don't know the psyche behind people accepting the red (no matter how reluctantly) as you are not prepared to engage in proper discussion; preferring instead to simply keep stating "put identity before success" (which no one has ever adequately explained)
I have said several times I would rather us struggle as who we are - The Bluebirds playing in blue with the Bluebird as the main emblem on our badge, than succeed as something we are not which I can't really connect to - a red, unrecognisable franchise known as the dragons.

We haven't 'lost' our identity. In fact, we are now MORE identifiable than we have ever been. And as for 'success at any cost' I suggest you have a little think about that particular comment and then ask yourself "If not to be the best we can, WTF is the point in being in the race?"
I find this comment incredible! More identifiable now? A team in red playing in a blue stadium? Chanting Bluebirds to a team playing in red? Bluebirds as our nickname despite the dragon being the main emblem on our badge? The majority of our fans wearing blue while supporting a team playing in red? Next season our home strip will change once again to all red. An alternative yellow kit will be thrown in next season to replace our black and red away kit too. I could go on about the red and blue merchandise being sold despite us not having a red and blue strip, or the red and white merchandise being sold (Tan's scarves) despite us not having a red and white strip. I'm confusing myself just typing all this. Hardly more identifiable are we!

You are (I'm pleased to say) in a small minority of people who have convinced themselves that red is the most important issue the club have ever had. Excuse me, but absolute bol***ks! That mantle goes to the very survival of the club itself and a change of shirt colour might well have been the LEAST of our worries

It's more than just a colour, if you can't see that then you don't understand football.

The Bluebirds (that hasn't changed); lucky to be playing at all

Lucky to be playing at all? Keep believing the lies, bribes and kiss Tan's backside like a red sheep!

Me and my son will be at the game tomorrow and will cheer CCFC on

enjoy, mate.

I honestly didnt even watch them on the box/internet stream. I dont say I wont attend any away games in the future, but not a single penny for Tan. We are his customers, not fans, so I dont see the point of supporting him in his doing.

C'mon mate just once for the team you love

I even moved to Wales a few years back... all I do for now is the

I would without any hesitation. It's not a supersad post, it's a post from someone who like myself, puts our clubs identity before success. Unfortunately, those who have commented in this thread so far want success at any cost. They may as well support Man Utd if they want to be associated with a successful team. I just want to be associated with my team, whatever the level. That's Cardiff City - The Bluebirds playing in blue!

How on Earth did you come to THAT conclusion, Tonteg Bluebird?
Because it's true. People are supporting the red because they want us to be successful on the pitch. Yes, you can say people are reluctantly accepting the red for the financial stability of our club, but that's only so they can see us have more funds to bring in better players to be more successful. It's all about success! If we stood up and declined the rebrand, we wouldn't have gone under. We may have struggled, had to sell our assets and plummeted down the leagues like Pompey, but that would have been fine for me! I would rather see us struggle in blue for 30 years than see us succeed in red as an unregonisable Cardiff City for life, although I accept I'm in the minority with this opinion.

If you really think it ok to plummet down the leagues, then you misunderstand the point of 'professional' football. Maybe you could go watch Llantwit Fardre, as they are an excellent amateur team in your locality (I used to play for them, matey)

It was yet another post (on top of many) that drags up a debate that is effectively 'dead in the water' in as much as it ain't gonna change whilst VT is in charge
It might be dead in the water for you, but not for me. I believe we would have lost the Bluebird completely this coming season if we didn't voice our opinions. The blue won't go away, VT knows it. Hear VT's speech with everyone chanting for the blue? That doesn't sound dead in the water to me!

It IS dead in the water, mate. Explain to me EXACTLY what you (or others TBF) can do that will realistically change things at least whilst VT is in charge?

No offence, but you don't speak for anyone other than yourself and you certainly don't know the psyche behind people accepting the red (no matter how reluctantly) as you are not prepared to engage in proper discussion; preferring instead to simply keep stating "put identity before success" (which no one has ever adequately explained)
I have said several times I would rather us struggle as who we are - The Bluebirds playing in blue with the Bluebird as the main emblem on our badge, than succeed as something we are not which I can't really connect to - a red, unrecognisable franchise known as the dragons.

We are NOT known as the Dragons. We are Cardiff City FC (the same as before) and we are STILL the Bluebirds (and VT has confirmed that ) and the reason you feel you cannot connect is for your conscience, whislt the vast majority just get on with enjoying the well-overdue successes of this season WITHOUT RESERVATION

We haven't 'lost' our identity. In fact we are now MORE identifiable than we have ever been. And as for 'success at any cost' I suggest you have a little think about that particular comment and then ask yourself "If not to be the best we can, WTF is the point in being in the race?"
I find this comment incredible! More identifiable now? A team in red playing in a blue stadium? Chanting Bluebirds to a team playing in red? Bluebirds as our nickname despite the dragon being the main emblem on our badge? The majority of our fans wearing blue while supporting a team playing in red? Next season our home strip will change once again to all red. An alternative yellow kit will be thrown in next season to replace our black and red away kit too. I could go on about the red and blue merchandise being sold despite us not having a red and blue strip, or the red and white merchandise being sold (Tan's scarves) despite us not having a red and white strip. I'm confusing myself just typing all this. Hardly more identifiable are we!

A PREMIER LEAGUE-bound team with worldwide exposure and more real ambition than it has EVER had. The world is waking up to the name of Cardiff city FC The red/blue thing IS indeed an issue that needs to be reconciled (I still wear the blue myself ) but that is for the fans themselves to reconcile rather than the club itself (sad fact) but I point out that despite songs to the contrary MOST supporters are onboard with the red already (as was PROVEN with the Great Red Scarfe debacle. It was like watching vultures devour a carcass Mate, you WILL see a gradual transformation to red as this and future seasons pass successfully and (as much as us long-time fans don't WANT it) it is a fact of modern football that this kind of re-branding will occur more and more. Cardiff City FC are simply the first to do it but they won't be the last

You are (I'm pleased to say) in a small minority of people who have convinced themselves that red is the most important issue the club have ever had. Excuse me, but absolute bol***ks! That mantle goes to the very survival of the club itself and a change of shirt colour might well have been the LEAST of our worries

It's more than just a colour, if you can't see that then you don't understand football.

No real response from you on the above, so I assume you can't disagree with its basic comment that there are far more important issues in recent times than the red/blue. I certainly DO understand football, having played and refereed to a good standard. What I accept I don't understand is people (like your goodself) who cannot see the wood for the trees where VT's decision to change the shirt colour is concerned. Although regrettable, it was both financially and personally based and wasn't up for real discussion. We (the fans) had a simple choice; reluctantly put up or leave and as I have said to others, you have 'accepted' the blue in reality simply by your very attendance at games. FACT

The Bluebirds (that hasn't changed); lucky to be playing at all

Lucky to be playing at all? Keep believing the lies, bribes and kiss Tan's backside like a red sheep!

So what do you KNOW that the rest of us don't about VT's threat to put less money in at that time? Erm, NOTHING methinks but TBF neither side can prove beyond reasonable doubt that he would have pulled out. However, what is undeniable is that given the red shirts he craved he (VT) has backed Malky to the hilst and provided him with a team that has achived what the more ambitious amongst us have craved for a long long time...PREMIER LEAGUE FOOTBALL

It may not sit well with you but 27,000+ per game next season will state that MOST are pretty well pleased to be up there and backed by a man who wants to stay there!

No more debate but read into that what you want. It is (afterall) just my opinion but one I can justify far more than you can

wait untill next season, red seats. another kick in the bollox, i for 1 is running out of bollox?

I would without any hesitation. It's not a supersad post, it's a post from someone who like myself, puts our clubs identity before success. Unfortunately, those who have commented in this thread so far want success at any cost. They may as well support Man Utd if they want to be associated with a successful team. I just want to be associated with my team, whatever the level. That's Cardiff City - The Bluebirds playing in blue!

How on Earth did you come to THAT conclusion, Tonteg Bluebird?
Because it's true. People are supporting the red because they want us to be successful on the pitch. Yes, you can say people are reluctantly accepting the red for the financial stability of our club, but that's only so they can see us have more funds to bring in better players to be more successful. It's all about success! If we stood up and declined the rebrand, we wouldn't have gone under. We may have struggled, had to sell our assets and plummeted down the leagues like Pompey, but that would have been fine for me! I would rather see us struggle in blue for 30 years than see us succeed in red as an unregonisable Cardiff City for life, although I accept I'm in the minority with this opinion.

If you really think it ok to plummet down the leagues, then you misunderstand the point of 'professional' football. Maybe you could go watch Llantwit Fardre, as they are an excellent amateur team in your locality (I used to play for them, matey)

It was yet another post (on top of many) that drags up a debate that is effectively 'dead in the water' in as much as it ain't gonna change whilst VT is in charge
It might be dead in the water for you, but not for me. I believe we would have lost the Bluebird completely this coming season if we didn't voice our opinions. The blue won't go away, VT knows it. Hear VT's speech with everyone chanting for the blue? That doesn't sound dead in the water to me!

It IS dead in the water, mate. Explain to me EXACTLY what you (or others TBF) can do that will realistically change things at least whilst VT is in charge?

No offence, but you don't speak for anyone other than yourself and you certainly don't know the psyche behind people accepting the red (no matter how reluctantly) as you are not prepared to engage in proper discussion; preferring instead to simply keep stating "put identity before success" (which no one has ever adequately explained)
I have said several times I would rather us struggle as who we are - The Bluebirds playing in blue with the Bluebird as the main emblem on our badge, than succeed as something we are not which I can't really connect to - a red, unrecognisable franchise known as the dragons.

We are NOT known as the Dragons. We are Cardiff City FC (the same as before) and we are STILL the Bluebirds (and VT has confirmed that ) and the reason you feel you cannot connect is for your conscience, whislt the vast majority just get on with enjoying the well-overdue successes of this season WITHOUT RESERVATION

We haven't 'lost' our identity. In fact we are now MORE identifiable than we have ever been. And as for 'success at any cost' I suggest you have a little think about that particular comment and then ask yourself "If not to be the best we can, WTF is the point in being in the race?"
I find this comment incredible! More identifiable now? A team in red playing in a blue stadium? Chanting Bluebirds to a team playing in red? Bluebirds as our nickname despite the dragon being the main emblem on our badge? The majority of our fans wearing blue while supporting a team playing in red? Next season our home strip will change once again to all red. An alternative yellow kit will be thrown in next season to replace our black and red away kit too. I could go on about the red and blue merchandise being sold despite us not having a red and blue strip, or the red and white merchandise being sold (Tan's scarves) despite us not having a red and white strip. I'm confusing myself just typing all this. Hardly more identifiable are we!

A PREMIER LEAGUE-bound team with worldwide exposure and more real ambition than it has EVER had. The world is waking up to the name of Cardiff city FC The red/blue thing IS indeed an issue that needs to be reconciled (I still wear the blue myself ) but that is for the fans themselves to reconcile rather than the club itself (sad fact) but I point out that despite songs to the contrary MOST supporters are onboard with the red already (as was PROVEN with the Great Red Scarfe debacle. It was like watching vultures devour a carcass Mate, you WILL see a gradual transformation to red as this and future seasons pass successfully and (as much as us long-time fans don't WANT it) it is a fact of modern football that this kind of re-branding will occur more and more. Cardiff City FC are simply the first to do it but they won't be the last

You are (I'm pleased to say) in a small minority of people who have convinced themselves that red is the most important issue the club have ever had. Excuse me, but absolute bol***ks! That mantle goes to the very survival of the club itself and a change of shirt colour might well have been the LEAST of our worries

It's more than just a colour, if you can't see that then you don't understand football.

No real response from you on the above, so I assume you can't disagree with its basic comment that there are far more important issues in recent times than the red/blue. I certainly DO understand football, having played and refereed to a good standard. What I accept I don't understand is people (like your goodself) who cannot see the wood for the trees where VT's decision to change the shirt colour is concerned. Although regrettable, it was both financially and personally based and wasn't up for real discussion. We (the fans) had a simple choice; reluctantly put up or leave and as I have said to others, you have 'accepted' the blue in reality simply by your very attendance at games. FACT

The Bluebirds (that hasn't changed); lucky to be playing at all

Lucky to be playing at all? Keep believing the lies, bribes and kiss Tan's backside like a red sheep!

So what do you KNOW that the rest of us don't about VT's threat to put less money in at that time? Erm, NOTHING methinks but TBF neither side can prove beyond reasonable doubt that he would have pulled out. However, what is undeniable is that given the red shirts he craved he (VT) has backed Malky to the hilst and provided him with a team that has achived what the more ambitious amongst us have craved for a long long time...PREMIER LEAGUE FOOTBALL

It may not sit well with you but 27,000+ per game next season will state that MOST are pretty well pleased to be up there and backed by a man who wants to stay there!

No more debate but read into that what you want. It is (afterall) just my opinion but one I can justify far more than you can

Started reading, then saw the millions of smilies in your post hurting my eyes making it unreadable, so I've decided to give up and go with the "let's agree to disagree" conclusion. It will take me hours to read through all that and reply anyway and I need my bed! Goodnight.

I would without any hesitation. It's not a supersad post, it's a post from someone who like myself, puts our clubs identity before success. Unfortunately, those who have commented in this thread so far want success at any cost. They may as well support Man Utd if they want to be associated with a successful team. I just want to be associated with my team, whatever the level. That's Cardiff City - The Bluebirds playing in blue!

How on Earth did you come to THAT conclusion, Tonteg Bluebird?
Because it's true. People are supporting the red because they want us to be successful on the pitch. Yes, you can say people are reluctantly accepting the red for the financial stability of our club, but that's only so they can see us have more funds to bring in better players to be more successful. It's all about success! If we stood up and declined the rebrand, we wouldn't have gone under. We may have struggled, had to sell our assets and plummeted down the leagues like Pompey, but that would have been fine for me! I would rather see us struggle in blue for 30 years than see us succeed in red as an unregonisable Cardiff City for life, although I accept I'm in the minority with this opinion.

If you really think it ok to plummet down the leagues, then you misunderstand the point of 'professional' football. Maybe you could go watch Llantwit Fardre, as they are an excellent amateur team in your locality (I used to play for them, matey)

It was yet another post (on top of many) that drags up a debate that is effectively 'dead in the water' in as much as it ain't gonna change whilst VT is in charge
It might be dead in the water for you, but not for me. I believe we would have lost the Bluebird completely this coming season if we didn't voice our opinions. The blue won't go away, VT knows it. Hear VT's speech with everyone chanting for the blue? That doesn't sound dead in the water to me!

It IS dead in the water, mate. Explain to me EXACTLY what you (or others TBF) can do that will realistically change things at least whilst VT is in charge?

No offence, but you don't speak for anyone other than yourself and you certainly don't know the psyche behind people accepting the red (no matter how reluctantly) as you are not prepared to engage in proper discussion; preferring instead to simply keep stating "put identity before success" (which no one has ever adequately explained)
I have said several times I would rather us struggle as who we are - The Bluebirds playing in blue with the Bluebird as the main emblem on our badge, than succeed as something we are not which I can't really connect to - a red, unrecognisable franchise known as the dragons.

We are NOT known as the Dragons. We are Cardiff City FC (the same as before) and we are STILL the Bluebirds (and VT has confirmed that ) and the reason you feel you cannot connect is for your conscience, whislt the vast majority just get on with enjoying the well-overdue successes of this season WITHOUT RESERVATION

We haven't 'lost' our identity. In fact we are now MORE identifiable than we have ever been. And as for 'success at any cost' I suggest you have a little think about that particular comment and then ask yourself "If not to be the best we can, WTF is the point in being in the race?"
I find this comment incredible! More identifiable now? A team in red playing in a blue stadium? Chanting Bluebirds to a team playing in red? Bluebirds as our nickname despite the dragon being the main emblem on our badge? The majority of our fans wearing blue while supporting a team playing in red? Next season our home strip will change once again to all red. An alternative yellow kit will be thrown in next season to replace our black and red away kit too. I could go on about the red and blue merchandise being sold despite us not having a red and blue strip, or the red and white merchandise being sold (Tan's scarves) despite us not having a red and white strip. I'm confusing myself just typing all this. Hardly more identifiable are we!

A PREMIER LEAGUE-bound team with worldwide exposure and more real ambition than it has EVER had. The world is waking up to the name of Cardiff city FC The red/blue thing IS indeed an issue that needs to be reconciled (I still wear the blue myself ) but that is for the fans themselves to reconcile rather than the club itself (sad fact) but I point out that despite songs to the contrary MOST supporters are onboard with the red already (as was PROVEN with the Great Red Scarfe debacle. It was like watching vultures devour a carcass Mate, you WILL see a gradual transformation to red as this and future seasons pass successfully and (as much as us long-time fans don't WANT it) it is a fact of modern football that this kind of re-branding will occur more and more. Cardiff City FC are simply the first to do it but they won't be the last

You are (I'm pleased to say) in a small minority of people who have convinced themselves that red is the most important issue the club have ever had. Excuse me, but absolute bol***ks! That mantle goes to the very survival of the club itself and a change of shirt colour might well have been the LEAST of our worries

It's more than just a colour, if you can't see that then you don't understand football.

No real response from you on the above, so I assume you can't disagree with its basic comment that there are far more important issues in recent times than the red/blue. I certainly DO understand football, having played and refereed to a good standard. What I accept I don't understand is people (like your goodself) who cannot see the wood for the trees where VT's decision to change the shirt colour is concerned. Although regrettable, it was both financially and personally based and wasn't up for real discussion. We (the fans) had a simple choice; reluctantly put up or leave and as I have said to others, you have 'accepted' the blue in reality simply by your very attendance at games. FACT

The Bluebirds (that hasn't changed); lucky to be playing at all

Lucky to be playing at all? Keep believing the lies, bribes and kiss Tan's backside like a red sheep!

So what do you KNOW that the rest of us don't about VT's threat to put less money in at that time? Erm, NOTHING methinks but TBF neither side can prove beyond reasonable doubt that he would have pulled out. However, what is undeniable is that given the red shirts he craved he (VT) has backed Malky to the hilst and provided him with a team that has achived what the more ambitious amongst us have craved for a long long time...PREMIER LEAGUE FOOTBALL

It may not sit well with you but 27,000+ per game next season will state that MOST are pretty well pleased to be up there and backed by a man who wants to stay there!

No more debate but read into that what you want. It is (afterall) just my opinion but one I can justify far more than you can

Started reading, then saw the millions of smilies in your post hurting my eyes making it unreadable, so I've decided to give up and go with the "let's agree to disagree" conclusion. It will take me hours to read through all that and reply anyway and I need my bed! Goodnight.

Any excuse, mate. Just admit defeat and accept you've jumped on a bandwagon you cannot get off

And all this because you butted into someone else's comment. Night night