THE MEANING OF POTENTIAL

Let's face it Everton sell out now week in week out wether it be Man u or Wigan, and if they had a bigger stadium they'd fill that too.

Right ok.

"Billionaire owner" - he has lots of money, you don't. In fact you have over £100m of debt. Your budget for next year is one of the smallest on the premier league, probably equal to ours and not even close to what the likes of Southampton spent this year, half as much of what QPR spent.

"Large catchment area" - your stadium only holds 27,000 to my knowledge and you rarely fill that as it is, I mean you didnt even sell out your play off for west ham. I'm not sure what exactly you are expecting? These others do not support you, they may come to watch some Prem action but the attendance will still be 27,000 as that's how many people can get in.

"Attendance" - as I've pointed out, am attendance difference of 10,000, after tax is worth about £3.5m to the club. Are these people in the stands given a squad number and allowed to play? 27,000 take on 11 as it were? What the hell difference does it make apart from being a little louder when you sing songs - which is questionable anyway.

So my question remains the same, potential for what exactly? Your budget is small, you have the hindrance of huge debt hanging over you, you don't have a massive fan base contrary to what your fans think.

Potential to compete in the premier league? Yes, certainly. Potential to become one of the big boys? No way. Every club has potential, Barnet could win the champions league in 20 years time - it's just very very unlikely. You really should be concentrating on what you can realistically achieve, this misplaced belief you are somehow owed something for laying your football in a capital city is probably where QPR go wrong.

To be honest I wouldn't call Everton a massive club at all. They are bigger than us but in the grand scheme of things they aren't huge.
They do have a loyal set of local supporters and those who started following them after their early/mid 80's.

Sunderland, Newcastle, Leeds, West Ham, Forest are all of an equal stature to them in my opinion and all of these clubs have been in the Championship in recent times.

It will be interesting to see how they fair without Moyes and probably Baines/Fellaini next season.
Regardless of who is in charge I bet they won't be close to finishing where they are now.

Right ok.

"Billionaire owner" - he has lots of money, you don't. In fact you have over £100m of debt. Your budget for next year is one of the smallest on the premier league, probably equal to ours and not even close to what the likes of Southampton spent this year, half as much of what QPR spent.

"Large catchment area" - your stadium only holds 27,000 to my knowledge and you rarely fill that as it is, I mean you didnt even sell out your play off for west ham. I'm not sure what exactly you are expecting? These others do not support you, they may come to watch some Prem action but the attendance will still be 27,000 as that's how many people can get in.

"Attendance" - as I've pointed out, am attendance difference of 10,000, after tax is worth about £3.5m to the club. Are these people in the stands given a squad number and allowed to play? 27,000 take on 11 as it were? What the hell difference does it make apart from being a little louder when you sing songs - which is questionable anyway.

So my question remains the same, potential for what exactly? Your budget is small, you have the hindrance of huge debt hanging over you, you don't have a massive fan base contrary to what your fans think.

Potential to compete in the premier league? Yes, certainly. Potential to become one of the big boys? No way. Every club has potential, Barnet could win the champions league in 20 years time - it's just very very unlikely. You really should be concentrating on what you can realistically achieve, this misplaced belief you are somehow owed something for laying your football in a capital city is probably where QPR go wrong.

One things for certain though Mush...you are firmly back in our shadow and going to stay there.

It looks like 'Bigger than Barca' is back on then.

Gwyn, the word 'potential' refers to what 'might/could' happen, you are correct but even the most hardened City fan sees that we have an awful long way to go to catch up with everton's achievements

Right ok.

"Billionaire owner" - he has lots of money, you don't. In fact you have over £100m of debt. Your budget for next year is one of the smallest on the premier league, probably equal to ours and not even close to what the likes of Southampton spent this year, half as much of what QPR spent.

"Large catchment area" - your stadium only holds 27,000 to my knowledge and you rarely fill that as it is, I mean you didnt even sell out your play off for west ham. I'm not sure what exactly you are expecting? These others do not support you, they may come to watch some Prem action but the attendance will still be 27,000 as that's how many people can get in.

"Attendance" - as I've pointed out, am attendance difference of 10,000, after tax is worth about £3.5m to the club. Are these people in the stands given a squad number and allowed to play? 27,000 take on 11 as it were? What the hell difference does it make apart from being a little louder when you sing songs - which is questionable anyway.

So my question remains the same, potential for what exactly? Your budget is small, you have the hindrance of huge debt hanging over you, you don't have a massive fan base contrary to what your fans think.

Potential to compete in the premier league? Yes, certainly. Potential to become one of the big boys? No way. Every club has potential, Barnet could win the champions league in 20 years time - it's just very very unlikely. You really should be concentrating on what you can realistically achieve, this misplaced belief you are somehow owed something for laying your football in a capital city is probably where QPR go wrong.

One things for certain though Mush...you are firmly back in our shadow and going to stay there.

In what way exactly? Now you have been promoted and are one of the hot favourites to get relegated, does that mean our European spot gets taken away, our top 10 place gets stripped (9th actually), we are not longer league cup champions? Or are you just being a little silly?

Right ok.

"Billionaire owner" - he has lots of money, you don't. In fact you have over £100m of debt. Your budget for next year is one of the smallest on the premier league, probably equal to ours and not even close to what the likes of Southampton spent this year, half as much of what QPR spent.

"Large catchment area" - your stadium only holds 27,000 to my knowledge and you rarely fill that as it is, I mean you didnt even sell out your play off for west ham. I'm not sure what exactly you are expecting? These others do not support you, they may come to watch some Prem action but the attendance will still be 27,000 as that's how many people can get in.

"Attendance" - as I've pointed out, am attendance difference of 10,000, after tax is worth about £3.5m to the club. Are these people in the stands given a squad number and allowed to play? 27,000 take on 11 as it were? What the hell difference does it make apart from being a little louder when you sing songs - which is questionable anyway.

So my question remains the same, potential for what exactly? Your budget is small, you have the hindrance of huge debt hanging over you, you don't have a massive fan base contrary to what your fans think.

Potential to compete in the premier league? Yes, certainly. Potential to become one of the big boys? No way. Every club has potential, Barnet could win the champions league in 20 years time - it's just very very unlikely. You really should be concentrating on what you can realistically achieve, this misplaced belief you are somehow owed something for laying your football in a capital city is probably where QPR go wrong.

Stop talking shit yet again. When we were getting gates of 3,000 just over a decade ago we knew we had massive potential then. We've historically been the biggest club in the country. Do you think the crowds at Ninian Park during the clubs last visit to the top flight of averaging 30 and 40,000 gates with a record 57,000 were all fabricated then? Barnet? you seriously believe your bullshit don't you. NEXT YEAR we'll be up to 35,000 at the CCS which could rise again - our lauded academy from u9 to u15 levels are already the envy of our nation. There are so many holes in your Swansea bitterness it's tragic. Our owner and benefactor Vincent Tan hasn't given us any money has he? "It's not our money it's his". That goes for 90% of football you simple tw*t

Have you been on the Chelsea forums telling them they're not really European champions as it wasn't their money in the first place?!!!

We've got the potential to be to a monster in football. Far superior to little Swansea anyway

Right ok.

"Billionaire owner" - he has lots of money, you don't. In fact you have over £100m of debt. Your budget for next year is one of the smallest on the premier league, probably equal to ours and not even close to what the likes of Southampton spent this year, half as much of what QPR spent.

"Large catchment area" - your stadium only holds 27,000 to my knowledge and you rarely fill that as it is, I mean you didnt even sell out your play off for west ham. I'm not sure what exactly you are expecting? These others do not support you, they may come to watch some Prem action but the attendance will still be 27,000 as that's how many people can get in.

"Attendance" - as I've pointed out, am attendance difference of 10,000, after tax is worth about £3.5m to the club. Are these people in the stands given a squad number and allowed to play? 27,000 take on 11 as it were? What the hell difference does it make apart from being a little louder when you sing songs - which is questionable anyway.

So my question remains the same, potential for what exactly? Your budget is small, you have the hindrance of huge debt hanging over you, you don't have a massive fan base contrary to what your fans think.

Potential to compete in the premier league? Yes, certainly. Potential to become one of the big boys? No way. Every club has potential, Barnet could win the champions league in 20 years time - it's just very very unlikely. You really should be concentrating on what you can realistically achieve, this misplaced belief you are somehow owed something for laying your football in a capital city is probably where QPR go wrong.

Stop talking shit yet again. When we were getting gates of 3,000 just over a decade ago we knew we had massive potential then. We've historically been the biggest club in the country. Do you think the crowds at Ninian Park during the clubs last visit to the top flight of averaging 30 and 40,000 gates with a record 57,000 were all fabricated then? Barnet? you seriously believe your bullshit don't you. NEXT YEAR we'll be up to 35,000 at the CCS which could rise again - our lauded academy from u9 to u15 levels are already the envy of our nation. There are so many holes in your Swansea bitterness it's tragic. Our owner and benefactor Vincent Tan hasn't given us any money has he? "It's not our money it's his". That goes for 90% of football you simple tw*t

Have you been on the Chelsea forums telling them they're not really European champions as it wasn't their money in the first place?!!!

We've got the potential to be to a monster in football. Far superior to little Swansea anyway

Great post, that will shut the OBSESSED fuckers up.

Right ok.

"Billionaire owner" - he has lots of money, you don't. In fact you have over £100m of debt. Your budget for next year is one of the smallest on the premier league, probably equal to ours and not even close to what the likes of Southampton spent this year, half as much of what QPR spent.

"Large catchment area" - your stadium only holds 27,000 to my knowledge and you rarely fill that as it is, I mean you didnt even sell out your play off for west ham. I'm not sure what exactly you are expecting? These others do not support you, they may come to watch some Prem action but the attendance will still be 27,000 as that's how many people can get in.

"Attendance" - as I've pointed out, am attendance difference of 10,000, after tax is worth about £3.5m to the club. Are these people in the stands given a squad number and allowed to play? 27,000 take on 11 as it were? What the hell difference does it make apart from being a little louder when you sing songs - which is questionable anyway.

So my question remains the same, potential for what exactly? Your budget is small, you have the hindrance of huge debt hanging over you, you don't have a massive fan base contrary to what your fans think.

Potential to compete in the premier league? Yes, certainly. Potential to become one of the big boys? No way. Every club has potential, Barnet could win the champions league in 20 years time - it's just very very unlikely. You really should be concentrating on what you can realistically achieve, this misplaced belief you are somehow owed something for laying your football in a capital city is probably where QPR go wrong.

Stop talking shit yet again. When we were getting gates of 3,000 just over a decade ago we knew we had massive potential then. We've historically been the biggest club in the country. Do you think the crowds at Ninian Park during the clubs last visit to the top flight of averaging 30 and 40,000 gates with a record 57,000 were all fabricated then? Barnet? you seriously believe your bullshit don't you. NEXT YEAR we'll be up to 35,000 at the CCS which could rise again - our lauded academy from u9 to u15 levels are already the envy of our nation. There are so many holes in your Swansea bitterness it's tragic. Our owner and benefactor Vincent Tan hasn't given us any money has he? "It's not our money it's his". That goes for 90% of football you simple tw*t

Have you been on the Chelsea forums telling them they're not really European champions as it wasn't their money in the first place?!!!

We've got the potential to be to a monster in football. Far superior to little Swansea anyway

Great post, that will shut the OBSESSED fuckers up.

No it won't

Roathy, er I mean Black Swan will decipher it and interpret some psychopathic babble that will only make sense to him

Right ok.

"Billionaire owner" - he has lots of money, you don't. In fact you have over £100m of debt. Your budget for next year is one of the smallest on the premier league, probably equal to ours and not even close to what the likes of Southampton spent this year, half as much of what QPR spent.

"Large catchment area" - your stadium only holds 27,000 to my knowledge and you rarely fill that as it is, I mean you didnt even sell out your play off for west ham. I'm not sure what exactly you are expecting? These others do not support you, they may come to watch some Prem action but the attendance will still be 27,000 as that's how many people can get in.

"Attendance" - as I've pointed out, am attendance difference of 10,000, after tax is worth about £3.5m to the club. Are these people in the stands given a squad number and allowed to play? 27,000 take on 11 as it were? What the hell difference does it make apart from being a little louder when you sing songs - which is questionable anyway.

So my question remains the same, potential for what exactly? Your budget is small, you have the hindrance of huge debt hanging over you, you don't have a massive fan base contrary to what your fans think.

Potential to compete in the premier league? Yes, certainly. Potential to become one of the big boys? No way. Every club has potential, Barnet could win the champions league in 20 years time - it's just very very unlikely. You really should be concentrating on what you can realistically achieve, this misplaced belief you are somehow owed something for laying your football in a capital city is probably where QPR go wrong.

Stop talking shit yet again. When we were getting gates of 3,000 just over a decade ago we knew we had massive potential then. We've historically been the biggest club in the country. Do you think the crowds at Ninian Park during the clubs last visit to the top flight of averaging 30 and 40,000 gates with a record 57,000 were all fabricated then? Barnet? you seriously believe your bullshit don't you. NEXT YEAR we'll be up to 35,000 at the CCS which could rise again - our lauded academy from u9 to u15 levels are already the envy of our nation. There are so many holes in your Swansea bitterness it's tragic. Our owner and benefactor Vincent Tan hasn't given us any money has he? "It's not our money it's his". That goes for 90% of football you simple tw*t

Have you been on the Chelsea forums telling them they're not really European champions as it wasn't their money in the first place?!!!

We've got the potential to be to a monster in football. Far superior to little Swansea anyway

Great post, that will shut the OBSESSED fuckers up.

No it won't

Roathy, er I mean Black Swan will decipher it and interpret some psychopathic babble that will only make sense to him

He talks absolute garbage, but we all know one thing he is along with the majority of the jerks on here OBSESSED and bitter, twisted and shit scared of the thought of us being where we are.

Right ok.

"Billionaire owner" - he has lots of money, you don't. In fact you have over £100m of debt. Your budget for next year is one of the smallest on the premier league, probably equal to ours and not even close to what the likes of Southampton spent this year, half as much of what QPR spent.

"Large catchment area" - your stadium only holds 27,000 to my knowledge and you rarely fill that as it is, I mean you didnt even sell out your play off for west ham. I'm not sure what exactly you are expecting? These others do not support you, they may come to watch some Prem action but the attendance will still be 27,000 as that's how many people can get in.

"Attendance" - as I've pointed out, am attendance difference of 10,000, after tax is worth about £3.5m to the club. Are these people in the stands given a squad number and allowed to play? 27,000 take on 11 as it were? What the hell difference does it make apart from being a little louder when you sing songs - which is questionable anyway.

So my question remains the same, potential for what exactly? Your budget is small, you have the hindrance of huge debt hanging over you, you don't have a massive fan base contrary to what your fans think.

Potential to compete in the premier league? Yes, certainly. Potential to become one of the big boys? No way. Every club has potential, Barnet could win the champions league in 20 years time - it's just very very unlikely. You really should be concentrating on what you can realistically achieve, this misplaced belief you are somehow owed something for laying your football in a capital city is probably where QPR go wrong.

Stop talking shit yet again. When we were getting gates of 3,000 just over a decade ago we knew we had massive potential then. We've historically been the biggest club in the country. Do you think the crowds at Ninian Park during the clubs last visit to the top flight of averaging 30 and 40,000 gates with a record 57,000 were all fabricated then? Barnet? you seriously believe your bullshit don't you. NEXT YEAR we'll be up to 35,000 at the CCS which could rise again - our lauded academy from u9 to u15 levels are already the envy of our nation. There are so many holes in your Swansea bitterness it's tragic. Our owner and benefactor Vincent Tan hasn't given us any money has he? "It's not our money it's his". That goes for 90% of football you simple tw*t

Have you been on the Chelsea forums telling them they're not really European champions as it wasn't their money in the first place?!!!

We've got the potential to be to a monster in football. Far superior to little Swansea anyway

Hi.

Stunning post I must say. So you have an academy and had big attendances 50 years ago (most of which are probably long gone) so this makes you the potential to be a monster in football

Yes tan is a very rich man, HE is a very rich man. Next year your budget will be par or slightly under for the clubs in the bottom 10-12.

I'd take your opinion a lot more seriously if you were to be brave enough to back up your outlandish claims. You have still not answered my question regarding your achievements, ill ask again maybe you will be brave this time.

Do you think you will finish top 10, win a major trophy and qualify for Europe in your first 2 years of Prem football?..... assuming you get 2 years of course.

Right ok.

"Billionaire owner" - he has lots of money, you don't. In fact you have over £100m of debt. Your budget for next year is one of the smallest on the premier league, probably equal to ours and not even close to what the likes of Southampton spent this year, half as much of what QPR spent.

"Large catchment area" - your stadium only holds 27,000 to my knowledge and you rarely fill that as it is, I mean you didnt even sell out your play off for west ham. I'm not sure what exactly you are expecting? These others do not support you, they may come to watch some Prem action but the attendance will still be 27,000 as that's how many people can get in.

"Attendance" - as I've pointed out, am attendance difference of 10,000, after tax is worth about £3.5m to the club. Are these people in the stands given a squad number and allowed to play? 27,000 take on 11 as it were? What the hell difference does it make apart from being a little louder when you sing songs - which is questionable anyway.

So my question remains the same, potential for what exactly? Your budget is small, you have the hindrance of huge debt hanging over you, you don't have a massive fan base contrary to what your fans think.

Potential to compete in the premier league? Yes, certainly. Potential to become one of the big boys? No way. Every club has potential, Barnet could win the champions league in 20 years time - it's just very very unlikely. You really should be concentrating on what you can realistically achieve, this misplaced belief you are somehow owed something for laying your football in a capital city is probably where QPR go wrong.

Stop talking shit yet again. When we were getting gates of 3,000 just over a decade ago we knew we had massive potential then. We've historically been the biggest club in the country. Do you think the crowds at Ninian Park during the clubs last visit to the top flight of averaging 30 and 40,000 gates with a record 57,000 were all fabricated then? Barnet? you seriously believe your bullshit don't you. NEXT YEAR we'll be up to 35,000 at the CCS which could rise again - our lauded academy from u9 to u15 levels are already the envy of our nation. There are so many holes in your Swansea bitterness it's tragic. Our owner and benefactor Vincent Tan hasn't given us any money has he? "It's not our money it's his". That goes for 90% of football you simple tw*t

Have you been on the Chelsea forums telling them they're not really European champions as it wasn't their money in the first place?!!!

We've got the potential to be to a monster in football. Far superior to little Swansea anyway

Hi.

Stunning post I must say. So you have an academy and had big attendances 50 years ago (most of which are probably long gone) so this makes you the potential to be a monster in football

Yes tan is a very rich man, HE is a very rich man. Next year your budget will be par or slightly under for the clubs in the bottom 10-12.

I'd take your opinion a lot more seriously if you were to be brave enough to back up your outlandish claims. You have still not answered my question regarding your achievements, ill ask again maybe you will be brave this time.

Do you think you will finish top 10, win a major trophy and qualify for Europe in your first 2 years of Prem football?..... assuming you get 2 years of course.

Nicely deflected turd brain

Right ok.

"Billionaire owner" - he has lots of money, you don't. In fact you have over £100m of debt. Your budget for next year is one of the smallest on the premier league, probably equal to ours and not even close to what the likes of Southampton spent this year, half as much of what QPR spent.

"Large catchment area" - your stadium only holds 27,000 to my knowledge and you rarely fill that as it is, I mean you didnt even sell out your play off for west ham. I'm not sure what exactly you are expecting? These others do not support you, they may come to watch some Prem action but the attendance will still be 27,000 as that's how many people can get in.

"Attendance" - as I've pointed out, am attendance difference of 10,000, after tax is worth about £3.5m to the club. Are these people in the stands given a squad number and allowed to play? 27,000 take on 11 as it were? What the hell difference does it make apart from being a little louder when you sing songs - which is questionable anyway.

So my question remains the same, potential for what exactly? Your budget is small, you have the hindrance of huge debt hanging over you, you don't have a massive fan base contrary to what your fans think.

Potential to compete in the premier league? Yes, certainly. Potential to become one of the big boys? No way. Every club has potential, Barnet could win the champions league in 20 years time - it's just very very unlikely. You really should be concentrating on what you can realistically achieve, this misplaced belief you are somehow owed something for laying your football in a capital city is probably where QPR go wrong.

Stop talking shit yet again. When we were getting gates of 3,000 just over a decade ago we knew we had massive potential then. We've historically been the biggest club in the country. Do you think the crowds at Ninian Park during the clubs last visit to the top flight of averaging 30 and 40,000 gates with a record 57,000 were all fabricated then? Barnet? you seriously believe your bullshit don't you. NEXT YEAR we'll be up to 35,000 at the CCS which could rise again - our lauded academy from u9 to u15 levels are already the envy of our nation. There are so many holes in your Swansea bitterness it's tragic. Our owner and benefactor Vincent Tan hasn't given us any money has he? "It's not our money it's his". That goes for 90% of football you simple tw*t

Have you been on the Chelsea forums telling them they're not really European champions as it wasn't their money in the first place?!!!

We've got the potential to be to a monster in football. Far superior to little Swansea anyway

Hi.

Stunning post I must say. So you have an academy and had big attendances 50 years ago (most of which are probably long gone) so this makes you the potential to be a monster in football

Yes tan is a very rich man, HE is a very rich man. Next year your budget will be par or slightly under for the clubs in the bottom 10-12.

I'd take your opinion a lot more seriously if you were to be brave enough to back up your outlandish claims. You have still not answered my question regarding your achievements, ill ask again maybe you will be brave this time.

Do you think you will finish top 10, win a major trophy and qualify for Europe in your first 2 years of Prem football?..... assuming you get 2 years of course.

So what your really trying to say is we WONT finish top 10 and win a trophy and qualify for Europe, can you GUARANTEE we wont then, and as for an answer, who knows.

Right ok.

"Billionaire owner" - he has lots of money, you don't. In fact you have over £100m of debt. Your budget for next year is one of the smallest on the premier league, probably equal to ours and not even close to what the likes of Southampton spent this year, half as much of what QPR spent.

"Large catchment area" - your stadium only holds 27,000 to my knowledge and you rarely fill that as it is, I mean you didnt even sell out your play off for west ham. I'm not sure what exactly you are expecting? These others do not support you, they may come to watch some Prem action but the attendance will still be 27,000 as that's how many people can get in.

"Attendance" - as I've pointed out, am attendance difference of 10,000, after tax is worth about £3.5m to the club. Are these people in the stands given a squad number and allowed to play? 27,000 take on 11 as it were? What the hell difference does it make apart from being a little louder when you sing songs - which is questionable anyway.

So my question remains the same, potential for what exactly? Your budget is small, you have the hindrance of huge debt hanging over you, you don't have a massive fan base contrary to what your fans think.

Potential to compete in the premier league? Yes, certainly. Potential to become one of the big boys? No way. Every club has potential, Barnet could win the champions league in 20 years time - it's just very very unlikely. You really should be concentrating on what you can realistically achieve, this misplaced belief you are somehow owed something for laying your football in a capital city is probably where QPR go wrong.

Stop talking shit yet again. When we were getting gates of 3,000 just over a decade ago we knew we had massive potential then. We've historically been the biggest club in the country. Do you think the crowds at Ninian Park during the clubs last visit to the top flight of averaging 30 and 40,000 gates with a record 57,000 were all fabricated then? Barnet? you seriously believe your bullshit don't you. NEXT YEAR we'll be up to 35,000 at the CCS which could rise again - our lauded academy from u9 to u15 levels are already the envy of our nation. There are so many holes in your Swansea bitterness it's tragic. Our owner and benefactor Vincent Tan hasn't given us any money has he? "It's not our money it's his". That goes for 90% of football you simple tw*t

Have you been on the Chelsea forums telling them they're not really European champions as it wasn't their money in the first place?!!!

We've got the potential to be to a monster in football. Far superior to little Swansea anyway

Hi.

Stunning post I must say. So you have an academy and had big attendances 50 years ago (most of which are probably long gone) so this makes you the potential to be a monster in football

Yes tan is a very rich man, HE is a very rich man. Next year your budget will be par or slightly under for the clubs in the bottom 10-12.

I'd take your opinion a lot more seriously if you were to be brave enough to back up your outlandish claims. You have still not answered my question regarding your achievements, ill ask again maybe you will be brave this time.

Do you think you will finish top 10, win a major trophy and qualify for Europe in your first 2 years of Prem football?..... assuming you get 2 years of course.

Slowly slowly catch ye monkey, Jack (if that is what you really are)

In all fairness I can see exactly where Gwyn is coming from and he is right in what he is saying. He's talking about "potential for growth" from Cardiff City and Everton's positions as they currently stand.
I would totally agree that Cardiff City currently has far more potential for growth and that is due to Everton already having established themselves as a big....ish club.
I personally think they have over achieved of late and that is due to the fine manager they had in Moyes.
If Malky took that job he would be unlikely to better 6th or 7th position in my oppinion but then again he could possibly double his wages by taking it and even barter for better bonus's and a longer contract.
If he decides to stay here at Cardiff City he could quite possibly and most probably (given the right backing) keep us in the Premiership next season and that in itself would be a success which would mean at least some of the potential would have been seen.
One thing to remember though! We as football fans are generally a fickle bunch and have been known to turn on even the managers who have brought us success in whichever way you deem success to be.

Anything is for sale.....if the price is right.
I hope the price is NOT right for Malky.

Lets put it this way.

Who is more likely to win the League in the next 20 years? Everton
Who is likely to win the FA Cup in the next 20 years? Everton
Who is more likely to achieve more success in the next 20 years? Everton

Everton have more potential, with a much larger fan base and a much larger income. If they were able to move to a bigger stadium, they'll be able to increase their support and as a result their income. They are more likely to stay in the Premier League and win trophies than you as they've got a much stronger team than you, and have the ability to attract much better player in than you as they are a bigger club even if they were to lose Baines and Fellaini.

You are delusional if you think you've got more potential than Cardiff City and really will have a shock coming your way at the start of next season when you see what a tough job you'll have to stay in the division.

Right ok.

"Billionaire owner" - he has lots of money, you don't. In fact you have over £100m of debt. Your budget for next year is one of the smallest on the premier league, probably equal to ours and not even close to what the likes of Southampton spent this year, half as much of what QPR spent.

"Large catchment area" - your stadium only holds 27,000 to my knowledge and you rarely fill that as it is, I mean you didnt even sell out your play off for west ham. I'm not sure what exactly you are expecting? These others do not support you, they may come to watch some Prem action but the attendance will still be 27,000 as that's how many people can get in.

"Attendance" - as I've pointed out, am attendance difference of 10,000, after tax is worth about £3.5m to the club. Are these people in the stands given a squad number and allowed to play? 27,000 take on 11 as it were? What the hell difference does it make apart from being a little louder when you sing songs - which is questionable anyway.

So my question remains the same, potential for what exactly? Your budget is small, you have the hindrance of huge debt hanging over you, you don't have a massive fan base contrary to what your fans think.

Potential to compete in the premier league? Yes, certainly. Potential to become one of the big boys? No way. Every club has potential, Barnet could win the champions league in 20 years time - it's just very very unlikely. You really should be concentrating on what you can realistically achieve, this misplaced belief you are somehow owed something for laying your football in a capital city is probably where QPR go wrong.

Stop talking shit yet again. When we were getting gates of 3,000 just over a decade ago we knew we had massive potential then. We've historically been the biggest club in the country. Do you think the crowds at Ninian Park during the clubs last visit to the top flight of averaging 30 and 40,000 gates with a record 57,000 were all fabricated then? Barnet? you seriously believe your bullshit don't you. NEXT YEAR we'll be up to 35,000 at the CCS which could rise again - our lauded academy from u9 to u15 levels are already the envy of our nation. There are so many holes in your Swansea bitterness it's tragic. Our owner and benefactor Vincent Tan hasn't given us any money has he? "It's not our money it's his". That goes for 90% of football you simple tw*t

Have you been on the Chelsea forums telling them they're not really European champions as it wasn't their money in the first place?!!!

We've got the potential to be to a monster in football. Far superior to little Swansea anyway

Hi.

Stunning post I must say. So you have an academy and had big attendances 50 years ago (most of which are probably long gone) so this makes you the potential to be a monster in football

Yes tan is a very rich man, HE is a very rich man. Next year your budget will be par or slightly under for the clubs in the bottom 10-12.

I'd take your opinion a lot more seriously if you were to be brave enough to back up your outlandish claims. You have still not answered my question regarding your achievements, ill ask again maybe you will be brave this time.

Do you think you will finish top 10, win a major trophy and qualify for Europe in your first 2 years of Prem football?..... assuming you get 2 years of course.

Nicely deflected turd brain

Still not confident enough then

One day eh?

Right ok.

"Billionaire owner" - he has lots of money, you don't. In fact you have over £100m of debt. Your budget for next year is one of the smallest on the premier league, probably equal to ours and not even close to what the likes of Southampton spent this year, half as much of what QPR spent.

"Large catchment area" - your stadium only holds 27,000 to my knowledge and you rarely fill that as it is, I mean you didnt even sell out your play off for west ham. I'm not sure what exactly you are expecting? These others do not support you, they may come to watch some Prem action but the attendance will still be 27,000 as that's how many people can get in.

"Attendance" - as I've pointed out, am attendance difference of 10,000, after tax is worth about £3.5m to the club. Are these people in the stands given a squad number and allowed to play? 27,000 take on 11 as it were? What the hell difference does it make apart from being a little louder when you sing songs - which is questionable anyway.

So my question remains the same, potential for what exactly? Your budget is small, you have the hindrance of huge debt hanging over you, you don't have a massive fan base contrary to what your fans think.

Potential to compete in the premier league? Yes, certainly. Potential to become one of the big boys? No way. Every club has potential, Barnet could win the champions league in 20 years time - it's just very very unlikely. You really should be concentrating on what you can realistically achieve, this misplaced belief you are somehow owed something for laying your football in a capital city is probably where QPR go wrong.

Stop talking shit yet again. When we were getting gates of 3,000 just over a decade ago we knew we had massive potential then. We've historically been the biggest club in the country. Do you think the crowds at Ninian Park during the clubs last visit to the top flight of averaging 30 and 40,000 gates with a record 57,000 were all fabricated then? Barnet? you seriously believe your bullshit don't you. NEXT YEAR we'll be up to 35,000 at the CCS which could rise again - our lauded academy from u9 to u15 levels are already the envy of our nation. There are so many holes in your Swansea bitterness it's tragic. Our owner and benefactor Vincent Tan hasn't given us any money has he? "It's not our money it's his". That goes for 90% of football you simple tw*t

Have you been on the Chelsea forums telling them they're not really European champions as it wasn't their money in the first place?!!!

We've got the potential to be to a monster in football. Far superior to little Swansea anyway

Hi.

Stunning post I must say. So you have an academy and had big attendances 50 years ago (most of which are probably long gone) so this makes you the potential to be a monster in football

Yes tan is a very rich man, HE is a very rich man. Next year your budget will be par or slightly under for the clubs in the bottom 10-12.

I'd take your opinion a lot more seriously if you were to be brave enough to back up your outlandish claims. You have still not answered my question regarding your achievements, ill ask again maybe you will be brave this time.

Do you think you will finish top 10, win a major trophy and qualify for Europe in your first 2 years of Prem football?..... assuming you get 2 years of course.

So what your really trying to say is we WONT finish top 10 and win a trophy and qualify for Europe, can you GUARANTEE we wont then, and as for an answer, who knows.

Of course he can guarantee it, the same as I can guarantee that we will. He's asked me this question ten times this week like some retard that's just recovering from a nasty car crash

This is the same muppet who dedicated a three page thread to how Leicester were going to win this seasons championship. You won't get a straight answer from the troll and he's got more spin than Shane Warne

Wanker

Right ok.

"Billionaire owner" - he has lots of money, you don't. In fact you have over £100m of debt. Your budget for next year is one of the smallest on the premier league, probably equal to ours and not even close to what the likes of Southampton spent this year, half as much of what QPR spent.

"Large catchment area" - your stadium only holds 27,000 to my knowledge and you rarely fill that as it is, I mean you didnt even sell out your play off for west ham. I'm not sure what exactly you are expecting? These others do not support you, they may come to watch some Prem action but the attendance will still be 27,000 as that's how many people can get in.

"Attendance" - as I've pointed out, am attendance difference of 10,000, after tax is worth about £3.5m to the club. Are these people in the stands given a squad number and allowed to play? 27,000 take on 11 as it were? What the hell difference does it make apart from being a little louder when you sing songs - which is questionable anyway.

So my question remains the same, potential for what exactly? Your budget is small, you have the hindrance of huge debt hanging over you, you don't have a massive fan base contrary to what your fans think.

Potential to compete in the premier league? Yes, certainly. Potential to become one of the big boys? No way. Every club has potential, Barnet could win the champions league in 20 years time - it's just very very unlikely. You really should be concentrating on what you can realistically achieve, this misplaced belief you are somehow owed something for laying your football in a capital city is probably where QPR go wrong.

Stop talking shit yet again. When we were getting gates of 3,000 just over a decade ago we knew we had massive potential then. We've historically been the biggest club in the country. Do you think the crowds at Ninian Park during the clubs last visit to the top flight of averaging 30 and 40,000 gates with a record 57,000 were all fabricated then? Barnet? you seriously believe your bullshit don't you. NEXT YEAR we'll be up to 35,000 at the CCS which could rise again - our lauded academy from u9 to u15 levels are already the envy of our nation. There are so many holes in your Swansea bitterness it's tragic. Our owner and benefactor Vincent Tan hasn't given us any money has he? "It's not our money it's his". That goes for 90% of football you simple tw*t

Have you been on the Chelsea forums telling them they're not really European champions as it wasn't their money in the first place?!!!

We've got the potential to be to a monster in football. Far superior to little Swansea anyway

Hi.

Stunning post I must say. So you have an academy and had big attendances 50 years ago (most of which are probably long gone) so this makes you the potential to be a monster in football

Yes tan is a very rich man, HE is a very rich man. Next year your budget will be par or slightly under for the clubs in the bottom 10-12.

I'd take your opinion a lot more seriously if you were to be brave enough to back up your outlandish claims. You have still not answered my question regarding your achievements, ill ask again maybe you will be brave this time.

Do you think you will finish top 10, win a major trophy and qualify for Europe in your first 2 years of Prem football?..... assuming you get 2 years of course.

So what your really trying to say is we WONT finish top 10 and win a trophy and qualify for Europe, can you GUARANTEE we wont then, and as for an answer, who knows.

Of course he can guarantee it, the same as I can guarantee that we will. He's asked me this question ten times this week like some retard that's just recovering from a nasty car crash

This is the same muppet who dedicated a three page thread to how Leicester were going to win this seasons championship. You won't get a straight answer from the troll and he's got more spin than Shane Warne

Wanker

I've never once asked for guarantees.

I've asked if you genuinely think you will.... As of yet you haven't been brave enough to give a reply.

Take that as the 11th time I've asked you.

Lets put it this way.

Who is more likely to win the League in the next 20 years? Everton
Who is likely to win the FA Cup in the next 20 years? Everton
Who is more likely to achieve more success in the next 20 years? Everton

Everton have more potential, with a much larger fan base and a much larger income. If they were able to move to a bigger stadium, they'll be able to increase their support and as a result their income. They are more likely to stay in the Premier League and win trophies than you as they've got a much stronger team than you, and have the ability to attract much better player in than you as they are a bigger club even if they were to lose Baines and Fellaini.

You are delusional if you think you've got more potential than Cardiff City and really will have a shock coming your way at the start of next season when you see what a tough job you'll have to stay in the division.

Dilusional if we think we have more potential than Cardiff City? Cheers for that

Right ok.

"Billionaire owner" - he has lots of money, you don't. In fact you have over £100m of debt. Your budget for next year is one of the smallest on the premier league, probably equal to ours and not even close to what the likes of Southampton spent this year, half as much of what QPR spent.

"Large catchment area" - your stadium only holds 27,000 to my knowledge and you rarely fill that as it is, I mean you didnt even sell out your play off for west ham. I'm not sure what exactly you are expecting? These others do not support you, they may come to watch some Prem action but the attendance will still be 27,000 as that's how many people can get in.

"Attendance" - as I've pointed out, am attendance difference of 10,000, after tax is worth about £3.5m to the club. Are these people in the stands given a squad number and allowed to play? 27,000 take on 11 as it were? What the hell difference does it make apart from being a little louder when you sing songs - which is questionable anyway.

So my question remains the same, potential for what exactly? Your budget is small, you have the hindrance of huge debt hanging over you, you don't have a massive fan base contrary to what your fans think.

Potential to compete in the premier league? Yes, certainly. Potential to become one of the big boys? No way. Every club has potential, Barnet could win the champions league in 20 years time - it's just very very unlikely. You really should be concentrating on what you can realistically achieve, this misplaced belief you are somehow owed something for laying your football in a capital city is probably where QPR go wrong.

Stop talking shit yet again. When we were getting gates of 3,000 just over a decade ago we knew we had massive potential then. We've historically been the biggest club in the country. Do you think the crowds at Ninian Park during the clubs last visit to the top flight of averaging 30 and 40,000 gates with a record 57,000 were all fabricated then? Barnet? you seriously believe your bullshit don't you. NEXT YEAR we'll be up to 35,000 at the CCS which could rise again - our lauded academy from u9 to u15 levels are already the envy of our nation. There are so many holes in your Swansea bitterness it's tragic. Our owner and benefactor Vincent Tan hasn't given us any money has he? "It's not our money it's his". That goes for 90% of football you simple tw*t

Have you been on the Chelsea forums telling them they're not really European champions as it wasn't their money in the first place?!!!

We've got the potential to be to a monster in football. Far superior to little Swansea anyway

Hi.

Stunning post I must say. So you have an academy and had big attendances 50 years ago (most of which are probably long gone) so this makes you the potential to be a monster in football

Yes tan is a very rich man, HE is a very rich man. Next year your budget will be par or slightly under for the clubs in the bottom 10-12.

I'd take your opinion a lot more seriously if you were to be brave enough to back up your outlandish claims. You have still not answered my question regarding your achievements, ill ask again maybe you will be brave this time.

Do you think you will finish top 10, win a major trophy and qualify for Europe in your first 2 years of Prem football?..... assuming you get 2 years of course.

So what your really trying to say is we WONT finish top 10 and win a trophy and qualify for Europe, can you GUARANTEE we wont then, and as for an answer, who knows.

Of course he can guarantee it, the same as I can guarantee that we will. He's asked me this question ten times this week like some retard that's just recovering from a nasty car crash

This is the same muppet who dedicated a three page thread to how Leicester were going to win this seasons championship. You won't get a straight answer from the troll and he's got more spin than Shane Warne

Wanker

I've never once asked for guarantees.

I've asked if you genuinely think you will.... As of yet you haven't been brave enough to give a reply.

Take that as the 11th time I've asked you.[/quote

Yeah, we'll be top ten within two years, playing to 35,000 gates and we'll win the league cup in the next two seasons too. I'll also predict Laudrup will be long gone and your miraculous rise from league 2 to beating Bradford City will be a distant memory for you bunch of over privileged scruffy c.unts

Bookmark it and use it with your 250th different username during the close season 2016

Yeah, we'll be top ten within two years, playing to 35,000 gates and we'll win the league cup in the next two seasons too. I'll also predict Laudrup will be long gone and your miraculous rise from league 2 to beating Bradford City will be a distant memory for you bunch of over privileged scruffy c.unts

Bookmark it and use it with your 250th different username during the close season 2016

At last

Ok I think none of that will happen, apart from Laudrup going as I think it's known he will stay for one more season with MW taking the helm.

So...Lets see who's right.

Consider it bookmarked (and screen grabbed as you have a habit of deleting things )

Yeah, we'll be top ten within two years, playing to 35,000 gates and we'll win the league cup in the next two seasons too. I'll also predict Laudrup will be long gone and your miraculous rise from league 2 to beating Bradford City will be a distant memory for you bunch of over privileged scruffy c.unts

Bookmark it and use it with your 250th different username during the close season 2016

At last

Ok I think none of that will happen, apart from Laudrup going as I think it's known he will stay for one more season with MW taking the helm.

So...Lets see who's right.

Consider it bookmarked (and screen grabbed as you have a habit of deleting things )

Now that I've owned you completely in this thread you have no business here anymore. You've spent too long on this premier league forum with your double Dutch/verbal diarrhoea

Cry as much as you want to admin too. They're laughing at you

[quote="Jes"]In all fairness I can see exactly where Gwyn is coming from and he is right in what he is saying. He's talking about "potential for growth" from Cardiff City and Everton's positions as they currently stand.
I would totally agree that Cardiff City currently has far more potential for growth and that is due to Everton already having established themselves as a big....ish club.
I personally think they have over achieved of late and that is due to the fine manager they had in Moyes.
If Malky took that job he would be unlikely to better 6th or 7th position in my oppinion but then again he could possibly double his wages by taking it and even barter for better bonus's and a longer contract.
If he decides to stay here at Cardiff City he could quite possibly and most probably (given the right backing) keep us in the Premiership next season and that in itself would be a success which would mean at least some of the potential would have been seen.
One thing to remember though! We as football fans are generally a fickle bunch and have been known to turn on even the managers who have brought us success in whichever way you deem success to be.

Anything is for sale.....if the price is right.
I hope the price is NOT right for Malky.


Exactly

In all fairness I can see exactly where Gwyn is coming from and he is right in what he is saying. He's talking about "potential for growth" from Cardiff City and Everton's positions as they currently stand.
I would totally agree that Cardiff City currently has far more potential for growth and that is due to Everton already having established themselves as a big....ish club.
I personally think they have over achieved of late and that is due to the fine manager they had in Moyes.
If Malky took that job he would be unlikely to better 6th or 7th position in my oppinion but then again he could possibly double his wages by taking it and even barter for better bonus's and a longer contract.
If he decides to stay here at Cardiff City he could quite possibly and most probably (given the right backing) keep us in the Premiership next season and that in itself would be a success which would mean at least some of the potential would have been seen.
One thing to remember though! We as football fans are generally a fickle bunch and have been known to turn on even the managers who have brought us success in whichever way you deem success to be.

Anything is for sale.....if the price is right.
I hope the price is NOT right for Malky.


Exactly

Fair play that's a fair amount of crack pot logic Malky must a very special individual if he would prefer the battle of keeping a club up, within a relegation battle for the season, which in itself brings the added stress of getting the sack throughout the season depending on how bad it gets to that of taking over a team full of Premiership quality and finishing top 6 and perhaps having a very real chance of winning a cup.

In all fairness I can see exactly where Gwyn is coming from and he is right in what he is saying. He's talking about "potential for growth" from Cardiff City and Everton's positions as they currently stand.
I would totally agree that Cardiff City currently has far more potential for growth and that is due to Everton already having established themselves as a big....ish club.
I personally think they have over achieved of late and that is due to the fine manager they had in Moyes.
If Malky took that job he would be unlikely to better 6th or 7th position in my oppinion but then again he could possibly double his wages by taking it and even barter for better bonus's and a longer contract.
If he decides to stay here at Cardiff City he could quite possibly and most probably (given the right backing) keep us in the Premiership next season and that in itself would be a success which would mean at least some of the potential would have been seen.
One thing to remember though! We as football fans are generally a fickle bunch and have been known to turn on even the managers who have brought us success in whichever way you deem success to be.

Anything is for sale.....if the price is right.
I hope the price is NOT right for Malky.


Exactly

Fair play that's a fair amount of crack pot logic Malky must a very special individual if he would prefer the battle of keeping a club up, within a relegation battle for the season, which in itself brings the added stress of getting the sack throughout the season depending on how bad it gets to that of taking over a team full of Premiership quality and finishing top 6 and perhaps having a very real chance of winning a cup.

If you believe that Everton are more likely to achieve a higher finish next year and win a cup, then good on you.
Personally I believe they have done really well with the budget they have to get where they have and stay in the Premiership, even though I think the last trophy they won was nineteen years ago.

I think there is more chance of them finishing slightly lower down the league next year, but again, just my opinion, and I repeat myself I think they have reached the peak of their potential and I can't see them being classed as one of the big five unless there is a huge cash injection.

This doesn't detract from what they have achieved and yes they are a massive club but potentially maxed out as i see it.

In all fairness I can see exactly where Gwyn is coming from and he is right in what he is saying. He's talking about "potential for growth" from Cardiff City and Everton's positions as they currently stand.
I would totally agree that Cardiff City currently has far more potential for growth and that is due to Everton already having established themselves as a big....ish club.
I personally think they have over achieved of late and that is due to the fine manager they had in Moyes.
If Malky took that job he would be unlikely to better 6th or 7th position in my oppinion but then again he could possibly double his wages by taking it and even barter for better bonus's and a longer contract.
If he decides to stay here at Cardiff City he could quite possibly and most probably (given the right backing) keep us in the Premiership next season and that in itself would be a success which would mean at least some of the potential would have been seen.
One thing to remember though! We as football fans are generally a fickle bunch and have been known to turn on even the managers who have brought us success in whichever way you deem success to be.

Anything is for sale.....if the price is right.
I hope the price is NOT right for Malky.


Exactly

Fair play that's a fair amount of crack pot logic Malky must a very special individual if he would prefer the battle of keeping a club up, within a relegation battle for the season, which in itself brings the added stress of getting the sack throughout the season depending on how bad it gets to that of taking over a team full of Premiership quality and finishing top 6 and perhaps having a very real chance of winning a cup.

If you believe that Everton are more likely to achieve a higher finish next year and win a cup, then good on you.
Personally I believe they have done really well with the budget they have to get where they have and stay in the Premiership, even though I think the last trophy they won was nineteen years ago.

I think there is more chance of them finishing slightly lower down the league next year, but again, just my opinion, and I repeat myself I think they have reached the peak of their potential and I can't see them being classed as one of the big five unless there is a huge cash injection.

This doesn't detract from what they have achieved and yes they are a massive club but potentially maxed out as i see it.

Do a little research Gwyn and you will find that Everton have a wage bill budget of £58 million which is the 7th highest in the league, which corresponds to around where they tend to finish so if anything they are where they should be and not over achieving, in fact take a look at Everton forums and many supporters feel that Moyes has underachieved and should have at least won a cup or two. When you look at which clubs have won cups over the last 10 years, then you couldn't argue with their logic.
In regards to potential, well, you will hear Everton mentioned by many around football as a big club just waiting to plucked for investment. They have huge potential! There are plans for a new 50k stadium complex in place, they have the fan base already in place to sell it out. Any investor has the added bonus of building that complex, which is where money is made these days. I don't know why investment has not happened, it can only be, that those who presently own the club are being unrealistic in their value or plainly don't want to sell. However, rest assured, if they get investment they can be massive and far bigger than we can dream of at this stage.

In all fairness I can see exactly where Gwyn is coming from and he is right in what he is saying. He's talking about "potential for growth" from Cardiff City and Everton's positions as they currently stand.
I would totally agree that Cardiff City currently has far more potential for growth and that is due to Everton already having established themselves as a big....ish club.
I personally think they have over achieved of late and that is due to the fine manager they had in Moyes.
If Malky took that job he would be unlikely to better 6th or 7th position in my oppinion but then again he could possibly double his wages by taking it and even barter for better bonus's and a longer contract.
If he decides to stay here at Cardiff City he could quite possibly and most probably (given the right backing) keep us in the Premiership next season and that in itself would be a success which would mean at least some of the potential would have been seen.
One thing to remember though! We as football fans are generally a fickle bunch and have been known to turn on even the managers who have brought us success in whichever way you deem success to be.

Anything is for sale.....if the price is right.
I hope the price is NOT right for Malky.


Exactly

Fair play that's a fair amount of crack pot logic Malky must a very special individual if he would prefer the battle of keeping a club up, within a relegation battle for the season, which in itself brings the added stress of getting the sack throughout the season depending on how bad it gets to that of taking over a team full of Premiership quality and finishing top 6 and perhaps having a very real chance of winning a cup.

If you believe that Everton are more likely to achieve a higher finish next year and win a cup, then good on you.
Personally I believe they have done really well with the budget they have to get where they have and stay in the Premiership, even though I think the last trophy they won was nineteen years ago.

I think there is more chance of them finishing slightly lower down the league next year, but again, just my opinion, and I repeat myself I think they have reached the peak of their potential and I can't see them being classed as one of the big five unless there is a huge cash injection.

This doesn't detract from what they have achieved and yes they are a massive club but potentially maxed out as i see it.

Do a little research Gwyn and you will find that Everton have a wage bill budget of £58 million which is the 7th highest in the league, which corresponds to around where they tend to finish so if anything they are where they should be and not over achieving, in fact take a look at Everton forums and many supporters feel that Moyes has underachieved and should have at least won a cup or two. When you look at which clubs have won cups over the last 10 years, then you couldn't argue with their logic.
In regards to potential, well, you will hear Everton mentioned by many around football as a big club just waiting to plucked for investment. They have huge potential! There are plans for a new 50k stadium complex in place, they have the fan base already in place to sell it out. Any investor has the added bonus of building that complex, which is where money is made these days. I don't know why investment has not happened, it can only be, that those who presently own the club are being unrealistic in their value or plainly don't want to sell. However, rest assured, if they get investment they can be massive and far bigger than we can dream of at this stage.

I actually agree with you and I in no way at all think Cardiff City are a bigger club than Everton and may not ever be but I will state again that I was talking about "potential to grow" which in effect means that considering neither Cardiff City or Everton wins a cup next season and Cardiff finish 4th from bottom and Everton finish below their standing of 6th last year then The growth over one year is in Cardiff's favour.
I'm not naive enough to think or state that this in any way means Cardiff will have had a better season than Everton but in terms of Growth it would mean that Cardiff City have progressed and Everton have waned.
It's just speculation at this stage obviously and I could well be wrong.....as I often am haha.
Time will tell and it will all come out in the wash.

C'mon you Mighty Bluebirs.

Everton have fantastic state of the art training facilities, a far better playing squad, a premier league set-up tried and tested for many years, a richer history, and a bigger fan base.

The only thing we have over them is a new stadium, but even then it only holds 70% of what Evertons does.

They also have an owner who respects the fans, and doesnt just see them as "customers".