TAN DESERVES SOME RESPECT

I have mellowed slightly after a season of spitting fire at the rebrand. I still despise the rebrand even more so now that we are all red next season , we are always going to be associated with being the first team to have a rebrand, but that label will stick even if we did revert to blue. however seeing the trophy being lifted on Saturday, a packed stadium and the Premier League awaiting - you know what? I have dreamt of that for decades, thats why I suprised myself and everyone around me by clapping Tan on the pitch, an appreciative clap, and the main thing i have changed my mind on over the season is that I always said I would prefer to be in blue in div 2 than red in the prem. I wouldnt swop the prem now. I dream of being blue again, but cant see it happening which is gutting for me, I will always wear blue and always support Cardiff City FC, ignore the red and support the boys, PL here we come !!!!:ayatollah:

to all those who booed tan while he was giving his speech hang your heads in shame.tan has saved Cardiff.if it were not for him we could be where pompy are.please wake up and smell the coffee and support the team not the colour.

Hmmm... Let me see... has no clue about football, calls fans customers, lied to us, took our colours, our badge, our identity, our tradition....

Ahmmm...


NO

Saved us from the taxman, got rid of Jones, hired and backed MM and delivered Premiership football for the first time in 51 years.

I can never understand the mind set of those who put their own selfish preferences before the good of the team.

Tony before you put him on that pedestal, Tan has not got a clue about football and deserves no credit for hiring Malky as his football knowledge is so limited that he would not know a good manager from a bad one. Infact he would be more likely to pick a manager who wore a lucky red shirt or tie rather basing any appointment on sound managerial prowess.

VT is a Cardiff City Legend. The man who saved the club from extinction and whose clever running of the club in appointing and backing Malky Mackay has seen us finally rise to the Premier League.

Even on the colour issue, he has been up front and seems willing to listen and compromise.

He is far from being a City legend but could have been but he blew it big time over the rebranding. To call him upfront about the colour issue is an insult due to his underhanded tactics and telling us he is willing to listen and compromise is just wishful thinking.

the good things that Tan has done for the club are tiny compared to the rebranding. Damned Yank got pretty close, if he hadnt done the rebrand, he would get the respect from everyone as he would be the perfect owner...

This is where you are completely away with the fairies. Tan doesn't give a dam about your view of a 'perfect owner', he is here to make money.

In his opinion he needed a rebrand and therefore went ahead with it. I'm not saying that is what I personally wanted but I am realistic enough to understand you don't get something for nothing and as the pay off was a massive investment (whether that is loaned or equity) then I was happy to live with it.

Sorry but fans like you have to man up and understand that like Father Christmas the 'perfect owner' really doesn't exist and if we want to make our way in the football world then we have to adapt and make the most of oppotunities that come our way.

Tony he did not need the rebrand at all.Its all based around one mans deluded superstitions about the colour red.You may argue that its his money so he can do what he likes but I dont think that it was justifyable sacrificing our colours based on superstition alone.

the good things that Tan has done for the club are tiny compared to the rebranding. Damned Yank got pretty close, if he hadnt done the rebrand, he would get the respect from everyone as he would be the perfect owner...

This is where you are completely away with the fairies. Tan doesn't give a dam about your view of a 'perfect owner', he is here to make money.

In his opinion he needed a rebrand and therefore went ahead with it. I'm not saying that is what I personally wanted but I am realistic enough to understand you don't get something for nothing and as the pay off was a massive investment (whether that is loaned or equity) then I was happy to live with it.

Sorry but fans like you have to man up and understand that like Father Christmas the 'perfect owner' really doesn't exist and if we want to make our way in the football world then we have to adapt and make the most of oppotunities that come our way.

Tony he did not need the rebrand at all.Its all based around one mans deluded superstitions about the colour red.You may argue that its his money so he can do what he likes but I dont think that it was justifyable sacrificing our colours based on superstition alone.

whichever way you want to look at it though he will always feel justified about his lucky red because he got us promoted regardless of who thinks its superstious mumbo jumbo.

Which only proves my point. We would have been promoted if we had been blue as I am sure the colour issue would not have changed Malkys approach to the games we have won or lost. I wonder if Tan would think red is lucky if we were relegated as well.

Respect works both ways.Tan will get as much respect from me as he has shown us. Zero. This last few months he has shown himself to be an egotistical and slightly deranged man that doesn't give a shit about what the fans think.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Respect is a two way street. He lost my respect when he disrespected decades of tradition by getting rid of the colour blue. If he had even met with fans before and sat to explain the methodology behind it then it might have been easier to take. However, he called us customers instead of fans and basically told the "25%" (where did he get that f*cking figure from? Blatant propaganda!) to go and f**k themselves if they didn't like it.

I was beginning to doubt my integrity when I chose not to renew for next season but recent weeks have just re-affirmed to me that I have made the right decision. I will always support Cardiff and the players but I will never support that man. Just because he has money and "saved" us (sorry, I forgot he was doing it out of the goodness of his heart and not to take a flogged horse and make some profit from it) does not mean he automatically wins respect. Tan doesn't give a f**k about any of you. He would sell you all to a slave market if he could make a bit of profit from it. If you think otherwise then you're bloody deluded as he is.

If Tan wants our respect then he has to earn it. You don't buy respect. You earn it.

Respect works both ways.Tan will get as much respect from me as he has shown us. Zero. This last few months he has shown himself to be an egotistical and slightly deranged man that doesn't give a shit about what the fans think.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Respect is a two way street. He lost my respect when he disrespected decades of tradition by getting rid of the colour blue. If he had even met with fans before and sat to explain the methodology behind it then it might have been easier to take. However, he called us customers instead of fans and basically told the "25%" (where did he get that f*cking figure from? Blatant propaganda!) to go and f**k themselves if they didn't like it.

I was beginning to doubt my integrity when I chose not to renew for next season but recent weeks have just re-affirmed to me that I have made the right decision. I will always support Cardiff and the players but I will never support that man. Just because he has money and "saved" us (sorry, I forgot he was doing it out of the goodness of his heart and not to take a flogged horse and make some profit from it) does not mean he automatically wins respect. Tan doesn't give a f**k about any of you. He would sell you all to a slave market if he could make a bit of profit from it. If you think otherwise then you're bloody deluded as he is.

If Tan wants our respect then he has to earn it. You don't buy respect. You earn it.

Like many fans, I have chosen not to renew and went through the same emotions as you but have now realised it was the right thing to do. Your comments pretty much sum up my feelings on the whole issue.

Respect works both ways.Tan will get as much respect from me as he has shown us. Zero. This last few months he has shown himself to be an egotistical and slightly deranged man that doesn't give a shit about what the fans think.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Respect is a two way street. He lost my respect when he disrespected decades of tradition by getting rid of the colour blue. If he had even met with fans before and sat to explain the methodology behind it then it might have been easier to take. However, he called us customers instead of fans and basically told the "25%" (where did he get that f*cking figure from? Blatant propaganda!) to go and f**k themselves if they didn't like it.

I was beginning to doubt my integrity when I chose not to renew for next season but recent weeks have just re-affirmed to me that I have made the right decision. I will always support Cardiff and the players but I will never support that man. Just because he has money and "saved" us (sorry, I forgot he was doing it out of the goodness of his heart and not to take a flogged horse and make some profit from it) does not mean he automatically wins respect. Tan doesn't give a f**k about any of you. He would sell you all to a slave market if he could make a bit of profit from it. If you think otherwise then you're bloody deluded as he is.

If Tan wants our respect then he has to earn it. You don't buy respect. You earn it.

Like many fans, I have chosen not to renew and went through the same emotions as you but have now realised it was the right thing to do. Your comments pretty much sum up my feelings on the whole issue.

Bluebird64, the thing that has annoyed me the most is that I, like many fans, have waited for promotion to the Premier League for years. Tan could have given us the dream promotion by keeping us blue and keeping the fans together but he's needlessly divided to conquer and it's ruined this promotion for me. I am so pleased for Malky and the players, I really am. However, for me personally, it had a very sour tinge to it when it didn't have to.

Totally agree with you, I felt embarrassed during the game when our so called supporters were singing, and the heckling during VT speech, am I suprised ? no is the answer to that, I would call them small minded with the need to grow up and show a bit of maturity and respect, but football attracts these people, only time will make them mature, I suppose when I was growing up in the sixties seventies and eighties watching Cardiff I would have been classed one of them, but I allways toed the line never stepping over it, I now look to see the bigger picture and what VT has done for this club, yes he has changed the colour and badge, that is a price that I am prepared to pay to see my club prosper and flourish, lets be done with this divide, we are on the brink of a new era and yet we have morons who would see the club go backwards to get what they want, if you don't like it let someone else have your seat and then you can move on with your life.

Our identity and traditions deserve some respect.

Totally agree with you, I felt embarrassed during the game when our so called supporters were singing, and the heckling during VT speech, am I suprised ? no is the answer to that, I would call them small minded with the need to grow up and show a bit of maturity and respect, but football attracts these people, only time will make them mature, I suppose when I was growing up in the sixties seventies and eighties watching Cardiff I would have been classed one of them, but I allways toed the line never stepping over it, I now look to see the bigger picture and what VT has done for this club, yes he has changed the colour and badge, that is a price that I am prepared to pay to see my club prosper and flourish, lets be done with this divide, we are on the brink of a new era and yet we have morons who would see the club go backwards to get what they want, if you don't like it let someone else have your seat and then you can move on with your life.

So you want this divide to disappear then revert to calling people morons. Not helping the situation there are you?

the good things that Tan has done for the club are tiny compared to the rebranding. Damned Yank got pretty close, if he hadnt done the rebrand, he would get the respect from everyone as he would be the perfect owner...

This is where you are completely away with the fairies. Tan doesn't give a dam about your view of a 'perfect owner', he is here to make money.

In his opinion he needed a rebrand and therefore went ahead with it. I'm not saying that is what I personally wanted but I am realistic enough to understand you don't get something for nothing and as the pay off was a massive investment (whether that is loaned or equity) then I was happy to live with it.

Sorry but fans like you have to man up and understand that like Father Christmas the 'perfect owner' really doesn't exist and if we want to make our way in the football world then we have to adapt and make the most of oppotunities that come our way.

a message board is about opinions, that's what its for. I made my opinon very clear of Tan. I know that he wont even read here or is interested in my opinion, prob as much as I am interested in yours. you're trying to convert others to Tan lovers, kissing his arse for what he has done... you wont succeed, I can tell you that...

TAN OUT !!! Bluebirds

the good things that Tan has done for the club are tiny compared to the rebranding. Damned Yank got pretty close, if he hadnt done the rebrand, he would get the respect from everyone as he would be the perfect owner...

This is where you are completely away with the fairies. Tan doesn't give a dam about your view of a 'perfect owner', he is here to make money.

In his opinion he needed a rebrand and therefore went ahead with it. I'm not saying that is what I personally wanted but I am realistic enough to understand you don't get something for nothing and as the pay off was a massive investment (whether that is loaned or equity) then I was happy to live with it.

Sorry but fans like you have to man up and understand that like Father Christmas the 'perfect owner' really doesn't exist and if we want to make our way in the football world then we have to adapt and make the most of oppotunities that come our way.

Tony he did not need the rebrand at all.Its all based around one mans deluded superstitions about the colour red.You may argue that its his money so he can do what he likes but I dont think that it was justifyable sacrificing our colours based on superstition alone.

exactly, the rebrand had NOTHING to do with investing or getting Malky etc..just his PERSONAL preference or superstition... now who is selfish here?

Tan taking the credit for Malky He wasnt even first choice.

Could have been oh so different if Tan got his way and Shearer agreed to join us eh

to all those who booed tan while he was giving his speech hang your heads in shame.tan has saved Cardiff.if it were not for him we could be where pompy are.please wake up and smell the coffee and support the team not the colour.

Hmmm... Let me see... has no clue about football, calls fans customers, lied to us, took our colours, our badge, our identity, our tradition....

Ahmmm...


NO

Hmmm, now let ME see:

Erm, Tan saved the club (when no one else would)

Erm, Tan brought Malky to the club (forget the Shearer stories)

Erm, fans are effectively customers (they spend their hard-earned at the club)

Erm, when EXACTLY has he LIED to us? (The debt to equity issue will be sorted shortly)

Erm, took our colours? (He changed the colour of the shirt in exchange for a LOT of money and promotion)

Erm, Tan took our identity? (Are we no longer Cardiff City FC?)

Erm, Tan took our tradition? (What? Has he taken away our FA Cup win or our history?)

You must lead one perfect life to genuinely think Tan has been anything but good for Cardiff City FC

You're clutching at straws, he could kill someone and you'd still find a way to defend Tan!

JonCCFC, not going to debate this issue with you for the reasons we have discussed recently, i.e. we both have totally opposing views and apparently my experiences of the fall and rise of our club over so many years means little to you (or some others TBF)

Your comment 'clutching at straws' is a very naive one and is far more suited to those who still attempt to justify their anti-Tan stances with little or no evidence (other than the obvious red thing)

I am NOT a pro-Red. I simply accept it for what we got in return and I would not defend Tan if he killed someone but you would need to know my personal and professional background to understand why not

Do me a favour and consider your comments better in future, please

Sorry Sven, just because you've followed the club longer - doesnt mean you view point is more important, as you are implying in your post.

I've followed the city for many seasons & feel the same way as Jon does. He can't help his age, surely?

The way I see it - Tan saved this club, totally agree. Had he not introduced the rebrand, he would be hero worshipped right now.

For me, his disrespected the traditions of the club, you mention the FA Cup win - that isn't a tradition? We've worn blue shirts for over a century (since CCFC became known as CCFC) & over many years worn a bluebird as our "symbol" on the crest.

Fans are customers to a certain extent, but it's unlike any other business - you don't go to a rival club if you don't like the staff/offers etc. you stick through thick & thin.

He HAS taken our colours. He's even trying to tell fans what songs to sing and what colours to wear now (talk about free speech etc, eh?!)

We are still Cardiff City, yes... But our identity is made up of many other things... Shirt colour and "bluebird" are also parts of this identity.

The way I see things, Tan gets respect when he treats the club with respect.

The chocolate analogy earlier in this thread sums it all up really. Cardiff City still above the door and wolves no longer sniffing around it. So thank you Mr Tan.

VT is a Cardiff City Legend. The man who saved the club from extinction and whose clever running of the club in appointing and backing Malky Mackay has seen us finally rise to the Premier League.

Even on the colour issue, he has been up front and seems willing to listen and compromise.

He is far from being a City legend but could have been but he blew it big time over the rebranding. To call him upfront about the colour issue is an insult due to his underhanded tactics and telling us he is willing to listen and compromise is just wishful thinking.

The guy saved the club and took into the Premier League at last. No anti-red 'toys thrown out of pram' comments can change that.

He was denied the chance by the leak but since then has spoken respectfully with fans, agreed to compromise with the Bluebird and taken all the anti-red chanting without throwing a hissy fit.

Sorry Sven, just because you've followed the club longer - doesnt mean you view point is more important, as you are implying in your post.

I've followed the city for many seasons & feel the same way as Jon does. He can't help his age, surely?

The way I see it - Tan saved this club, totally agree. Had he not introduced the rebrand, he would be hero worshipped right now.

For me, his disrespected the traditions of the club, you mention the FA Cup win - that isn't a tradition? We've worn blue shirts for over a century (since CCFC became known as CCFC) & over many years worn a bluebird as our "symbol" on the crest.

Fans are customers to a certain extent, but it's unlike any other business - you don't go to a rival club if you don't like the staff/offers etc. you stick through thick & thin.

He HAS taken our colours. He's even trying to tell fans what songs to sing and what colours to wear now (talk about free speech etc, eh?!)

We are still Cardiff City, yes... But our identity is made up of many other things... Shirt colour and "bluebird" are also parts of this identity.

The way I see things, Tan gets respect when he treats the club with respect.

Barry, I generally (as you know) respect your opinions and this post is no different. All opinions on this site are indeed PERSONAL

JonCCFC have recently had a bit of a truce and I have no wish to keep raising issues with him. However, you/he must understand that I am not directly 'having a go' at his youth. We have discussed that before and I accept that he can't 'help' his age anymore than any of us can. I actually envy that I am no longer a teenager

Where I do have a 'problem' is where he continually talks of issues that are historic as if he was there and has firsthand experiences. Unfortunately, he does not...and that is wholly my point when he disrespects the opinions (for or against) of those MANY of us who experienced the whole story over several decades

He claims I am 'clutching at straws' in his post?

WTF?

Apart from ONE point we (you and I) are largely in agreement yet are mature enough to realise we cannopt agree on everything Even with regard the Red/Blue issue we are agreed that we would PREFER the Blue. My ONLY point throughout has been that we (the fans) had a decision to make and that involved a simple equation: Risk vs Cost , i.e. was the RISK of staying Blue (in Tan's words) worth the COST of the POTENTIAL of losing our beloved club?

So please, neither of you should take any of my comments as 'ageist' or too personal. They are (as are yours) just my personal opinion and (like you) I will stick with them until PROVEN differently. To date, Red/Blue apart, I fail to see exactly where Tan has let the club down? We are, afterall, in the Premier League and about to be debt-free via floatation on the Stock Markets

Who could possibly have thought that even two short seasons ago?

Certainly not me because I was the original cynic!

the good things that Tan has done for the club are tiny compared to the rebranding. Damned Yank got pretty close, if he hadnt done the rebrand, he would get the respect from everyone as he would be the perfect owner...

This is where you are completely away with the fairies. Tan doesn't give a dam about your view of a 'perfect owner', he is here to make money.

In his opinion he needed a rebrand and therefore went ahead with it. I'm not saying that is what I personally wanted but I am realistic enough to understand you don't get something for nothing and as the pay off was a massive investment (whether that is loaned or equity) then I was happy to live with it.

Sorry but fans like you have to man up and understand that like Father Christmas the 'perfect owner' really doesn't exist and if we want to make our way in the football world then we have to adapt and make the most of oppotunities that come our way.

Tony he did not need the rebrand at all.Its all based around one mans deluded superstitions about the colour red.You may argue that its his money so he can do what he likes but I dont think that it was justifyable sacrificing our colours based on superstition alone.

whichever way you want to look at it though he will always feel justified about his lucky red because he got us promoted regardless of who thinks its superstious mumbo jumbo.

Thinly veiled.....the guys a nutcase.

He gets absolutely NO respect from me.
I would tell him to his face as well.

ALWAYS A BLUE, NEVER A RED.

You won't be there next season then, oh highly principled one?

Like this season, no I won't, oh highly obnoxious one.

JonCCFC, not going to debate this issue with you for the reasons we have discussed recently, i.e. we both have totally opposing views and apparently my experiences of the fall and rise of our club over so many years means little to you (or some others TBF)

Your comment 'clutching at straws' is a very naive one and is far more suited to those who still attempt to justify their anti-Tan stances with little or no evidence (other than the obvious red thing)

I am NOT a pro-Red. I simply accept it for what we got in return and I would not defend Tan if he killed someone but you would need to know my personal and professional background to understand why not

Do me a favour and consider your comments better in future, please

You say that you're not going to debate this issue with any more but you keep on doing it. I don't care how long you've been supporting this club, that's irrelevant.

You are clutching at straws, I don't need to explain everything I say, you can work the "evidence" that you crave so much for yourself. All the evidence you need is already there for you from what you've written.

You are a pro-red, you're just in denial. You've just admitted that you have accepted the rebrand for everything that came in return, which was Premier League football, that speaks for itself. The fact that you have taken my comment about you defending Tan if he killed someone seriously says a lot about you.

Sorry Sven, just because you've followed the club longer - doesnt mean you view point is more important, as you are implying in your post.

I've followed the city for many seasons & feel the same way as Jon does. He can't help his age, surely?

The way I see it - Tan saved this club, totally agree. Had he not introduced the rebrand, he would be hero worshipped right now.

For me, his disrespected the traditions of the club, you mention the FA Cup win - that isn't a tradition? We've worn blue shirts for over a century (since CCFC became known as CCFC) & over many years worn a bluebird as our "symbol" on the crest.

Fans are customers to a certain extent, but it's unlike any other business - you don't go to a rival club if you don't like the staff/offers etc. you stick through thick & thin.

He HAS taken our colours. He's even trying to tell fans what songs to sing and what colours to wear now (talk about free speech etc, eh?!)

We are still Cardiff City, yes... But our identity is made up of many other things... Shirt colour and "bluebird" are also parts of this identity.

The way I see things, Tan gets respect when he treats the club with respect.

Barry, I generally (as you know) respect your opinions and this post is no different. All opinions on this site are indeed PERSONAL

JonCCFC have recently had a bit of a truce and I have no wish to keep raising issues with him. However, you/he must understand that I am not directly 'having a go' at his youth. We have discussed that before and I accept that he can't 'help' his age anymore than any of us can. I actually envy that I am no longer a teenager

Where I do have a 'problem' is where he continually talks of issues that are historic as if he was there and has firsthand experiences. Unfortunately, he does not...and that is wholly my point when he disrespects the opinions (for or against) of those MANY of us who experienced the whole story over several decades

He claims I am 'clutching at straws' in his post?

WTF?

Apart from ONE point we (you and I) are largely in agreement yet are mature enough to realise we cannopt agree on everything Even with regard the Red/Blue issue we are agreed that we would PREFER the Blue. My ONLY point throughout has been that we (the fans) had a decision to make and that involved a simple equation: Risk vs Cost , i.e. was the RISK of staying Blue (in Tan's words) worth the COST of the POTENTIAL of losing our beloved club?

So please, neither of you should take any of my comments as 'ageist' or too personal. They are (as are yours) just my personal opinion and (like you) I will stick with them until PROVEN differently. To date, Red/Blue apart, I fail to see exactly where Tan has let the club down? We are, afterall, in the Premier League and about to be debt-free via floatation on the Stock Markets

Who could possibly have thought that even two short seasons ago?

Certainly not me because I was the original cynic!

Tell me where I've talked about "historic issues" where I discuss things as if I've experienced them in first hand, evidence please. I'll tell you again, how long you've supported City is irrelevant. Please tell me where I disrespect the opinions of those who have "experienced the whole story".

You say that I can't back up what I've said with evidence yet you can't seem to back up your comments with evidence, hypocrisy or what.

Tan deserves respect when he shows us respect. No matter what good things he's done. I will never thank him or forgive him unless he reverts us back to blue.

Cardiff City owner Vincent Tan rules out further rebranding -

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22330086

Respect works both ways.Tan will get as much respect from me as he has shown us. Zero. This last few months he has shown himself to be an egotistical and slightly deranged man that doesn't give a shit about what the fans think.

Agreed . The only respect he gets from me is a lift to the airport . Tan out !

Cardiff City owner Vincent Tan rules out further rebranding -

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22330086

Are we seeing the first signs that tan is trying to get himself out of a hole. I have been told on good authority that he was genuinely surprised by some of the reaction recently, the "we'll always be blue" and "bluebirds" chants and some booing on both his recent walks around the pitch. That along with the same thing at the after match dinner on Saturday may have made him re assess the situation.
Things changed after the Charlton game. Tan is not going to simply walk away from us now, there is far to much money at stake. We should now be starting to contact the club in numbers, asking for a return to blue, emails, letters, phone calls, contacting local press etc. We need to give him a way to make it look as though he is doing it as a 'favour' for us, so that he can 'save face' which is such an important thing in far eastern culture.

Barry, I generally (as you know) respect your opinions and this post is no different. All opinions on this site are indeed PERSONAL

JonCCFC have recently had a bit of a truce and I have no wish to keep raising issues with him. However, you/he must understand that I am not directly 'having a go' at his youth. We have discussed that before and I accept that he can't 'help' his age anymore than any of us can. I actually envy that I am no longer a teenager

Where I do have a 'problem' is where he continually talks of issues that are historic as if he was there and has firsthand experiences. Unfortunately, he does not...and that is wholly my point when he disrespects the opinions (for or against) of those MANY of us who experienced the whole story over several decades

He claims I am 'clutching at straws' in his post?

WTF?

Apart from ONE point we (you and I) are largely in agreement yet are mature enough to realise we cannopt agree on everything Even with regard the Red/Blue issue we are agreed that we would PREFER the Blue. My ONLY point throughout has been that we (the fans) had a decision to make and that involved a simple equation: Risk vs Cost , i.e. was the RISK of staying Blue (in Tan's words) worth the COST of the POTENTIAL of losing our beloved club?

So please, neither of you should take any of my comments as 'ageist' or too personal. They are (as are yours) just my personal opinion and (like you) I will stick with them until PROVEN differently. To date, Red/Blue apart, I fail to see exactly where Tan has let the club down? We are, afterall, in the Premier League and about to be debt-free via floatation on the Stock Markets

Who could possibly have thought that even two short seasons ago?

Certainly not me because I was the original cynic!

Tell me where I've talked about "historic issues" where I discuss things as if I've experienced them in first hand, evidence please. I'll tell you again, how long you've supported City is irrelevant. Please tell me where I disrespect the opinions of those who have "experienced the whole story".

You say that I can't back up what I've said with evidence yet you can't seem to back up your comments with evidence, hypocrisy or what.

Tan deserves respect when he shows us respect. No matter what good things he's done. I will never thank him or forgive him unless he reverts us back to blue.

JonCCFC, you will continue to convince yourself that my comments to you are ageist when nothing could be farther from the truth. But you believe what suits you, my friend

Your continuous attacks on Tan are ill-thought and far more disrespctful to him than ever his actions to date have been to you. You will convince yourself that you are right when you are so patently and obviously wrong about so many things to do with Cardiff City FC and Vincent Tan in particular. Yet you continue to swell his coffers by parting with your cash in order to watch the team he bankrolled into the Premier League

Hypocrisy appears to be a bit of a two-way thing tonight then, eh?

As for your comment about my criticising your use of (quote) "defending Tan if he killed someone" (unquote) shows a huge naivety (one of personality rather than age before you start ) on your part and I suggest you read my response again

No more debate on this one, so as per previous posts, please feel free to fill your boots if it makes you feel better just when I thought we'd reached an understanding

He gets absolutely NO respect from me.
I would tell him to his face as well.

ALWAYS A BLUE, NEVER A RED.

You won't be there next season then, oh highly principled one?

Like this season, no I won't, oh highly obnoxious one.

You could always phone the club and make an appointment

Fair do's mind, at least you had the cahonas to abandon your previously supported club rather than be a hypocrit and I respect that (even if I don't understand it)

Obnoxious or not (and it's all about opinion ) I simply chose to reluctantly accept the baggage and carry on supporting my club as always