City leading the chase to sign Jonathan Williams!

If I remember the jacks only signed graham, routledge and caulker on loan. We have a squad now as good, probably better than what they went up with. Nobody gave them much of a chance, even their own fans. Same goes for Norwich.

Evolution not revolution wins the day. Lets see what happens.

Swansea were far better equipped to go up than we are.

They had Britton, Sinclair, dyer, Rangel, Williams, Taylor and allen. That's 7 good starting premier league players. Added to that....

The jacks signed Vorm, Caulker, sigurdson, graham and routledge.

Their style of play also gives opposing teams less time to attack them, we have a traditional British game.

They only signed vorm as devries left. Sigursson came on loan later in the season. None of the other names you mentioned had PL experience and they were widely tipped to go down. A lot of their football had been played league 1 even. Cardiff matched them the season they went up, yet we have a better squad than we had then. You're talking in hindsight, so until we are tested you simply don't know how we will perform.

De vries left straight after they got promoted. Vorm was signed before the start of the season, he was in goals for their 4-0 defeat to man city in opening day.

As I've made it known before, pundits don't know their arse from their elbow. You only had to watch the likes of Sinclair, allen, Williams, Britton, Rangel and Taylor to know they were premier league quality.

We matched them as we had a team full of quality. The issue was we weren't a good team in terms of a team unit. Swansea had quality players and were a team unit hence why they could go that extra yard. At the moment I feel we only have a great team unit and that isn't enough to do well in the premier league.

I touched up in style of play too. British teams aren't used to playing teams like that, plus there more you have the ball the less change there is if the opponent being able to hurt you. We rarely dominate possession in the championship let alone the premiership. If we allow premier league teams to have the ball they will punish us, there's a big difference to surrendering 55-45% possession to Barnsley and surrendering that to Chelsea.

Sorry just read that back, ipad changed lots of words. Let me know if you need to to clarify anything although I'm pretty sure it can be worked out.

I have no doubt that we could go with our current squad and not be embarrassed in the premier league. Maybe they could even get 35 to 40 points. A lot of this season fans have been frustrated because we have been able to dominate possession without seeming to do anything with it but that's what Swansea are excellent at and what we will need to try and be patient doing next season. However, Swansea brought in Vorm, Routledge and Graham who all had a big impact when they joined but they still only got 20 points in the first half of their first season and things normally get more difficult in the second half when teams work out better what you are about. Swansea then brought in Sigardsson who I think was the main driving force to them pushing on and getting 27 points from the second half of the season. They then got Michu and they pushed on again despite losing Allen and Sinclair.

Our squad can be the basis of a decent premiership team but we need a couple of players who can inspire the team to push on. Kim looks like a candidate but not sure he will get goals which are the big factor in Sigardsson and Michu's performances. Bellamy would have done it a couple of years ago but think he will be in a supporting role next year rather than a star. I'm sure Malky can bring someone in to do this and hopefully they will do better than Pogrebnyak at Reading or be in earlier than Remy at QPR.

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Stupid story. Why would we spend nearly £10m of our £25m budget on one player when we need a squad full.

So what we going to do? Keep it in the bank and look at it? Or maybe buy 25 1 million pound signings.and hope quantity not quality keeps us in the premier league?

Come on now Paxman,the money will be spent on the players required. Who says Tan was speaking the truth? He's hardly going to reveal the exact amount Malky has got to spend,it could be a bit more than that,he's hardly going to say he's got 30-35 million say for example,I think Tan has been quite conservitive with that 25 million figure,if he went out and said the exact amount that would alert other clubs to hike the price up a little on specific players.
That's jus my opinion. Of course.

I wouldn't waste money on him if it was 8 million+. But what ever MM goes with I'll back it.

Spending more thank £8m on one player would be quite stupid IMO, especially when we need to strengthen most areas of the squad.

If Man City get him I can't see him getting straight into the starting 11, so why not take a shot at a season long loan?

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Stupid story. Why would we spend nearly £10m of our £25m budget on one player when we need a squad full.

So what we going to do? Keep it in the bank and look at it? Or maybe buy 25 1 million pound signings.and hope quantity not quality keeps us in the premier league?

Come on now Paxman,the money will be spent on the players required. Who says Tan was speaking the truth? He's hardly going to reveal the exact amount Malky has got to spend,it could be a bit more than that,he's hardly going to say he's got 30-35 million say for example,I think Tan has been quite conservitive with that 25 million figure,if he went out and said the exact amount that would alert other clubs to hike the price up a little on specific players.
That's jus my opinion. Of course.

Not at all, we have to run before we can walk. We want to become a viable business not a club one relegation away from death.

In Swansea's first season their record signing was 3.5m, with that he was probably on 25k a week in Danny graham. They had a good season, finished high and as a result they went and broke their transfer record again by spending £5.5m on Pablo Hernandez who is probably on 35k a week. They have had another excellent season which will enable them to sign even better next year (rumours are iago Aspas at 8.2m) whi will probably be on 45k a week.

By going out and spending £8m or £10m on players is the quick way to kill the club, too much risk involved. Not only is it a lot to shell out, with that price tag comes a hefty wage and signing on fee. We need to earn the ability to spend that kind of money.

Currently it is my firm belief we don't have a good squad in terms of individuals, but we have a good team unit. Top good team units are not enough in the premier league. It's a completely different world. I think we need about 8 good premier league quality players just to compete. That's eight £3m signings or there abouts. We shouldn't sign anyone over £5m. It would be lunacy,

If I remember the jacks only signed graham, routledge and caulker on loan. We have a squad now as good, probably better than what they went up with. Nobody gave them much of a chance, even their own fans. Same goes for Norwich.

Evolution not revolution wins the day. Lets see what happens.

Swansea were far better equipped to go up than we are.

They had Britton, Sinclair, dyer, Rangel, Williams, Taylor and allen. That's 7 good starting premier league players. Added to that....

The jacks signed Vorm, Caulker, sigurdson, graham and routledge.

Their style of play also gives opposing teams less time to attack them, we have a traditional British game.

They only signed vorm as devries left. Sigursson came on loan later in the season. None of the other names you mentioned had PL experience and they were widely tipped to go down. A lot of their football had been played league 1 even. Cardiff matched them the season they went up, yet we have a better squad than we had then. You're talking in hindsight, so until we are tested you simply don't know how we will perform.

De vries left straight after they got promoted. Vorm was signed before the start of the season, he was in goals for their 4-0 defeat to man city in opening day.

As I've made it known before, pundits don't know their arse from their elbow. You only had to watch the likes of Sinclair, allen, Williams, Britton, Rangel and Taylor to know they were premier league quality.

We matched them as we had a team full of quality. The issue was we weren't a good team in terms of a team unit. Swansea had quality players and were a team unit hence why they could go that extra yard. At the moment I feel we only have a great team unit and that isn't enough to do well in the premier league.

I touched up in style of play too. British teams aren't used to playing teams like that, plus there more you have the ball the less change there is if the opponent being able to hurt you. We rarely dominate possession in the championship let alone the premiership. If we allow premier league teams to have the ball they will punish us, there's a big difference to surrendering 55-45% possession to Barnsley and surrendering that to Chelsea.

I didn't say anything different about vorm.
If the swans were that good, why didn't they win the league?
I think you applying a lot of hindsight in your praise of many of the jacks. We have Bellamy, Hudson, Kim, Whitts, Mutch, Talyor etc who can match those you've pointed out.
Never going to agree on this, but obviously in right!
Enjoy your Sunday.

No, I said a squad full, not a full squad... There's a difference.

We a need a squad full of quality players. You do realise if we sign Williams for say £9m, Ramsey for say £9.5m and Solomon Kalou for £6.5m then We have spent all our money don't you?

Nonsense story, nonsense logic.

You think the £25m is a dead on figure or even a true one? You're a bigger muppet than I thought. Tan will spend what he wants at the end of the day and hes just putting all of this out there so he doesn't get done over like Liverpool did. As soon as clubs knew Liverpool had £50m+ to spend they were straight away out there trying to rip them off. Newcastle and Villa succeeded big time with the Carroll and Downing transfers. You could even throw Henderson into that but hes young so if you factor in possible potential you may have to give the benefit of the doubt on that one.

People are absolutely deluded if they think that figure is a strict budget marker. I did actually have more respect for your points as a lot of them are truthful, to the point and full of sense no matter how controversial they are but for you to believe that is a strict indication of budget is absurd.

Surely you do not think that....

Last season Tan said exactly how much he would put in this summer and most were able to work out that meant Malky had up to £10m to spend and he spent pretty much exactly £10m

http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/cardi ... n_603.html

So there is no reason to not believe the figure he has put out for next season, the only thing I would suggest is maybe some of the £25m will be held back in case we need to boost the squad in January.

Malky has said in an interview he hasn't got any figures yet, I think Malky will negotiate what money he feels he needs

Big mistake if he chooses man city i reckon. Sinclair is a prime example of that.

Sean Connelly told malkey about Williams a long time ago and malkey did nothing about it missed the boat now I am afraid.

Not like Palace to hype up a kid and flog him

Malky won't get into a bidding war. I think we have missed the boat.

If I remember the jacks only signed graham, routledge and caulker on loan. We have a squad now as good, probably better than what they went up with. Nobody gave them much of a chance, even their own fans. Same goes for Norwich.

Evolution not revolution wins the day. Lets see what happens.

Swansea were far better equipped to go up than we are.

They had Britton, Sinclair, dyer, Rangel, Williams, Taylor and allen. That's 7 good starting premier league players. Added to that....

The jacks signed Vorm, Caulker, sigurdson, graham and routledge.

Their style of play also gives opposing teams less time to attack them, we have a traditional British game.

They only signed vorm as devries left. Sigursson came on loan later in the season. None of the other names you mentioned had PL experience and they were widely tipped to go down. A lot of their football had been played league 1 even. Cardiff matched them the season they went up, yet we have a better squad than we had then. You're talking in hindsight, so until we are tested you simply don't know how we will perform.

De vries left straight after they got promoted. Vorm was signed before the start of the season, he was in goals for their 4-0 defeat to man city in opening day.

As I've made it known before, pundits don't know their arse from their elbow. You only had to watch the likes of Sinclair, allen, Williams, Britton, Rangel and Taylor to know they were premier league quality.

We matched them as we had a team full of quality. The issue was we weren't a good team in terms of a team unit. Swansea had quality players and were a team unit hence why they could go that extra yard. At the moment I feel we only have a great team unit and that isn't enough to do well in the premier league.

I touched up in style of play too. British teams aren't used to playing teams like that, plus there more you have the ball the less change there is if the opponent being able to hurt you. We rarely dominate possession in the championship let alone the premiership. If we allow premier league teams to have the ball they will punish us, there's a big difference to surrendering 55-45% possession to Barnsley and surrendering that to Chelsea.

I didn't say anything different about vorm.
If the swans were that good, why didn't they win the league?
I think you applying a lot of hindsight in your praise of many of the jacks. We have Bellamy, Hudson, Kim, Whitts, Mutch, Talyor etc who can match those you've pointed out.
Never going to agree on this, but obviously in right!
Enjoy your Sunday.

They didnt win the league as it was a hard league and a possession passing game still developing isn't as easy to apply against teams that bully you, as they have since found out in the prem.

The players you have mentioned there noway match the swans ones.

Kimbo will go on to be a far better player than the 3 Jack midfielders / attackers mentioned.

Allen and Sinclair. One seasin wonders and Britton is a mere water carrier.

Hes absolutely quality, reminds me of Frank lampard when he was in his prime...

Been told by a reliable source that Jonny Williams is off to Swan*ea in the summer....

Kimbo will go on to be a far better player than the 3 Jack midfielders / attackers mentioned.

Allen and Sinclair. One seasin wonders and Britton is a mere water carrier.

Williams is potential, still young and who knows how he will develop. Don't think he is ready to start in the PL yet so i'd be surprised if he's high on MM's list.

Been told by a reliable source that Jonny Williams is off to Swan*ea in the summer....

Doubt it they are midfield rich already.

My source has told me they have already signed another cut price coup, in the for, of Real Betis captain Jose Canas who turned down WBA who offered him double the wages Swansea did. They are also close to tying up Betis winger Jonathan Pozuelo and are pushing hard to get Spanish international elect, Iago Aspas, whom Valencia were forced to pull out of a deal with due to financial constraints. But they have to trigger his minimum fee release clause of £8.2m which they are almost certain to want every penny of.

It isn't the Swansea model to spend £10m on one kid in the British market.

Seeing all you jacks (paxman, cardiffforlife, redbird) so interested in who cardiff want to bring in is so sad, But whats even more sad is pretending to be cardiff, Have a word with yourselfs ffs.

Been told by a reliable source that Jonny Williams is off to Swan*ea in the summer....

Doubt it they are midfield rich already.

My source has told me they have already signed another cut price coup, in the for, of Real Betis captain Jose Canas who turned down WBA who offered him double the wages Swansea did. They are also close to tying up Betis winger Jonathan Pozuelo and are pushing hard to get Spanish international elect, Iago Aspas, whom Valencia were forced to pull out of a deal with due to financial constraints. But they have to trigger his minimum fee release clause of £8.2m which they are almost certain to want every penny of.

It isn't the Swansea model to spend £10m on one kid in the British market.

Your source? It's been in the national papers linking them with the jacks, as well as Internet transfer football sites. For weeks actually. "My source has told me...." - you mean you read it

Been told by a reliable source that Jonny Williams is off to Swan*ea in the summer....

Doubt it they are midfield rich already.

My source has told me they have already signed another cut price coup, in the for, of Real Betis captain Jose Canas who turned down WBA who offered him double the wages Swansea did. They are also close to tying up Betis winger Jonathan Pozuelo and are pushing hard to get Spanish international elect, Iago Aspas, whom Valencia were forced to pull out of a deal with due to financial constraints. But they have to trigger his minimum fee release clause of £8.2m which they are almost certain to want every penny of.

It isn't the Swansea model to spend £10m on one kid in the British market.

Your source? It's been in the national papers linking them with the jacks, as well as Internet transfer football sites. For weeks actually. "My source has told me...." - you mean you read it

I don't reside in the UK I wouldn't know what is in your papers.

My source is a close personal friend who works at Swansea city. Surely you aren't asking me for his name?

Been told by a reliable source that Jonny Williams is off to Swan*ea in the summer....

Doubt it they are midfield rich already.

My source has told me they have already signed another cut price coup, in the for, of Real Betis captain Jose Canas who turned down WBA who offered him double the wages Swansea did. They are also close to tying up Betis winger Jonathan Pozuelo and are pushing hard to get Spanish international elect, Iago Aspas, whom Valencia were forced to pull out of a deal with due to financial constraints. But they have to trigger his minimum fee release clause of £8.2m which they are almost certain to want every penny of.

It isn't the Swansea model to spend £10m on one kid in the British market.

Your source? It's been in the national papers linking them with the jacks, as well as Internet transfer football sites. For weeks actually. "My source has told me...." - you mean you read it

I don't reside in the UK I wouldn't know what is in your papers.

My source is a close personal friend who works at Swansea city. Surely you aren't asking me for his name?

Oh I see, bet you don't get the Internet over there either (all the papers are online plus Internet based football sites, which of course is where you got your old stories from). And you're right I wasn't asking for his name, why would I? But go on give me one guess - are his initials ML?
Fair play Paxo you make me laugh, why pretend? Do you think it gives you credibility?
Catch you tomorrow no doubt

Been told by a reliable source that Jonny Williams is off to Swan*ea in the summer....

Doubt it they are midfield rich already.

My source has told me they have already signed another cut price coup, in the for, of Real Betis captain Jose Canas who turned down WBA who offered him double the wages Swansea did. They are also close to tying up Betis winger Jonathan Pozuelo and are pushing hard to get Spanish international elect, Iago Aspas, whom Valencia were forced to pull out of a deal with due to financial constraints. But they have to trigger his minimum fee release clause of £8.2m which they are almost certain to want every penny of.

It isn't the Swansea model to spend £10m on one kid in the British market.

Your source? It's been in the national papers linking them with the jacks, as well as Internet transfer football sites. For weeks actually. "My source has told me...." - you mean you read it

I don't reside in the UK I wouldn't know what is in your papers.

My source is a close personal friend who works at Swansea city. Surely you aren't asking me for his name?

Oh I see, bet you don't get the Internet over there either (all the papers are online plus Internet based football sites, which of course is where you got your old stories from). And you're right I wasn't asking for his name, why would I? But go on give me one guess - are his initials ML?
Fair play Paxo you make me laugh, why pretend? Do you think it gives you credibility?
Catch you tomorrow no doubt

We definately get the Internet yes, however finding myself reading the British version of the sun via their pay website does raise a smile to my face

As for the rest of your comment I'm not sure what you are trying to say? You think I'm not saying the truth based on nothing what so ever? That's your right I suppose however ill bookmark it for when it happens if you like? Or when it emerges WBA offered him double and still refused them.

Credibility doesn't come from who you know, it comes from what you know. The fact my opinions reverberate around this site says all there is to say. Everyone knows I make sense but a lot of what people have to face up to hurts, hence why they choose to outwardly display displeasure. This any insult is taken incredibly lightly by me.

Have a nice night Carpe.

Wow big speech, calm down! Of course it's going to happen (certainly in the case of Canas), or at least it's very likely to. But your source isn't this person you claim to know, it's information readily available on line. And you don't need pay sites to get it, it's all free e.g. Wales online, the sun, mirror, telegraph all run the story that you can read without paying, never mind football Internet sites

Nice try, but rumbled! My final word on the matter. You'll look a lot less silly by just admitting it, as you're not fooling anyone but yourself

Malky wouldn't have been able to get Williams whilst we were in same division as Palace.
Providing Palace don't go up , we can now offer him the chance of Premier football and he meets the criteria Malky looks at in players, young, resell value, good attitude.

I think Williams is better than Allen, vastly over rated player.

Wow big speech, calm down! Of course it's going to happen (certainly in the case of Canas), or at least it's very likely to. But your source isn't this person you claim to know, it's information readily available on line. And you don't need pay sites to get it, it's all free e.g. Wales online, the sun, mirror, telegraph all run the story that you can read without paying, never mind football Internet sites

Nice try, but rumbled! My final word on the matter. You'll look a lot less silly by just admitting it, as you're not fooling anyone but yourself

Big speech? bet your loved at weddings if you think that's a big speech

I really don't understand your point. That's like saying gay porn is readily available on the Internet so you therefor have watched it, haha rumbled etc etc

I've told you I haven't read it anywhere. In fact I've just done a quick google search and nothing suggests one of e websites you have noted has reported on WBA offering Canas double what swansea have.

So whether its your last word or first word is irrelevant as again you are emphatically wrong

Nice try though.

I think Williams is better than Allen, vastly over rated player.

Based on what? How often have you watched Crystal Palace this season?

I think Williams is better than Allen, vastly over rated player.

Based on what? How often have you watched Crystal Palace this season?

A number of occasions, I also saw him change the game for Wales against Scotland on his debut plus put in a cracking performance against a team ranked in the top 10 of the world rankings.

Iv'e also seen Joe Allen play for Swansea, Liverpool and Wales and have seen very little that would suggest he is worth nearly 15m. It is of my opinion that Jonathan Williams is better than Joe Allen.