" Stay Away Bluebirds Fans "

Why won't people realise that identity is more important than success to some people?

After the game Tuesday, good few hundred of us headed back to Snowys pub in Pontypridd, lot'of these were blokes like me in their fifties or forties, people I have known though following the City year in year out for what seems like ever.

Sharing the common bond and love for the club and having shared many more lows than highs over the years, has given us an identity that goes far deeper than any pigment, shade or colour. Looking into the tearful eyes of people and knowing what it meant to them, remembering how many disappointments and frustrations we had all been through but stuck with it, that's what identity is to most.

I genuinely feel sorry for people who can't share in that feeling of togetherness and brotherhood that goes with the senseof belonging and identity that many of us feel, and in fact changing the colour in some way has brought many even closer together, because whilst it was a low point sticking together for the good and future security and successf that it brings, is a sacrifice that most genuine fans were prepared to make.

Gwyn I can agree to some extent with what you say. You must remember that there is nothing wrong with being loyal to our traditions and heritage and that we all know that change in some form is inevitable however the reason for change in our case is that a madman has a belief that red is a lucky colour and this is not a good enough reason to justify the change. when Tan did his pitchside walk on Tuesday night then you could hear the thousands of fans singing "we will always be blue".
Tan has missed the opportunity to become a legend and although fans are grateful to him for what he has done, the shine will be always taken off due to his rebrand.

I was in front of the ninian stand by the hoarding's and nowhere near thousands sang that when Tan passed probably nearer 50

Mr Jinks I was talking about the Canton and extending into the corner of the grandstand. But if it makes you feel better or less threatened thinking that only 50 people chanted then carry on.

Doesn't make me threatened by what fans sing i'm just saying that the ninian stand no more than about 50 sang it and when Tan walked past he was applauded by the majority

Gwyn trust me he is mad, although I am not not a qualified psychiatrist, I would think that anyone who wears a red trenchcoat and wears his trousers that high is a bit of a maverick at the very least. His blind faith in having a lucky colour is just that and we would have just as easily been promoted in blue. Plenty of fans were chanting "we will always be blue" which did restore my faith in our attitude towards the rebrand. Not being a football fan himself, Tan will soon sell up in my opinion when the conditions are right for him. We may then have an opportunity to return to our colours and badge and attract back some of the good fans that have been lost.

The rebrand wasn't about just blind faith, it was based on a solid business decision. Tan has identified that the most successfully marketed teams in Asia wear red (Man U & Liverpool). He has matched that up with the Welsh Dragon and together we have a unique selling point.

The 'luck' bit comes from Chinese legend where it is considered a lucky colour, hence the popularity of teams playing in red. I might not wear red to games but I see the logic of using that colour to market ourselves in the far east.

Unless we become self-sustaining we will again head for the winding up courts and I for one wouldn't want to lose our idenity and hertige that way. So for now I am happy to run with Tan's vision, its the only option

Financial fair play is coming and our increase in revenue is vital. We can all look back fondly on the good old days but modern football needs money and revenue and that is not just Cardiff City.

All top clubs are trying to get a foothold in the malaysian market and far east because that is where the new money is, our chairmen has a huge foothold out there and if he feels rebranding to red will help us crack that market then i trust him. I draw the line at a name change and we should always be Cardiff City playing in Cardiff. Our identity is our fans, history and culture not the colour of a shirt.

To the keep blue fans, be honest, how many bought and wore blue merchandise to matches?? Very few i contend.

I think a cross roads has been met and its crunch time for us fans. I think we now need to unite, get behind the team and club and give the premier league a bloody good shot.

To those that feel they cannot you need to look at whether you can still support the current set up, if you can't i fully respect your decision but its time you decided to stay or go. The constant anti pro arguments have had an effect on atmosphere this year and Tuesday showed how vocal and intimdating CCS can be when we all unite.

Upward and onward.

Why won't people realise that identity is more important than success to some people?

And when will those people realise that not going out of business means more to the vast majority. Honestly those who harp on about the idenity and heritage have no concept that you also lose that when you go bankrupt.

Financial fair play is coming and our increase in revenue is vital. We can all look back fondly on the good old days but modern football needs money and revenue and that is not just Cardiff City.

All top clubs are trying to get a foothold in the malaysian market and far east because that is where the new money is, our chairmen has a huge foothold out there and if he feels rebranding to red will help us crack that market then i trust him. I draw the line at a name change and we should always be Cardiff City playing in Cardiff. Our identity is our fans, history and culture not the colour of a shirt.

To the keep blue fans, be honest, how many bought and wore blue merchandise to matches?? Very few i contend.

I think a cross roads has been met and its crunch time for us fans. I think we now need to unite, get behind the team and club and give the premier league a bloody good shot.

To those that feel they cannot you need to look at whether you can still support the current set up, if you can't i fully respect your decision but its time you decided to stay or go. The constant anti pro arguments have had an effect on atmosphere this year and Tuesday showed how vocal and intimdating CCS can be when we all unite.

Upward and onward.

Great post Paul

Financial fair play is coming and our increase in revenue is vital. We can all look back fondly on the good old days but modern football needs money and revenue and that is not just Cardiff City.

All top clubs are trying to get a foothold in the malaysian market and far east because that is where the new money is, our chairmen has a huge foothold out there and if he feels rebranding to red will help us crack that market then i trust him. I draw the line at a name change and we should always be Cardiff City playing in Cardiff. Our identity is our fans, history and culture not the colour of a shirt.

To the keep blue fans, be honest, how many bought and wore blue merchandise to matches?? Very few i contend.

I think a cross roads has been met and its crunch time for us fans. I think we now need to unite, get behind the team and club and give the premier league a bloody good shot.

To those that feel they cannot you need to look at whether you can still support the current set up, if you can't i fully respect your decision but its time you decided to stay or go. The constant anti pro arguments have had an effect on atmosphere this year and Tuesday showe how vocal and intimdating CCS can be when we all unite.

Upward and onward.

The new financial fair play rules about to come into force in the PL are directly related to the TV incomes clubs receive. Any monies received from other commercial avenues such as sponsership or marketing are not included and can be spent on whatever the club wish.

In my opinion this is the trump card VT is holding as it's impossible, in my opinion, to argue that he does not understand the Asian market. Be it Malaysia Air or RHB bank these asian based companies are begining to be seen in advertising within the CCS.

In my opinion it's only a matter of time before there are announcements about sponsorship deals, shirt sponsorship, stadium naming rights even Cardiff City TV to replace this Cardiff City Player service.

Getting promoted to the PL will see the speed of new commercial partners coming on board increase. I was told a few weeks ago that Ricoh will be the first stadium sponsors when the agreement they have with the arena in Coventry runs out in 2015.


Exciting times that will in my opinion see many of the stay away fans return to the fold.

Gwyn trust me he is mad, although I am not not a qualified psychiatrist, I would think that anyone who wears a red trenchcoat and wears his trousers that high is a bit of a maverick at the very least. His blind faith in having a lucky colour is just that and we would have just as easily been promoted in blue. Plenty of fans were chanting "we will always be blue" which did restore my faith in our attitude towards the rebrand. Not being a football fan himself, Tan will soon sell up in my opinion when the conditions are right for him. We may then have an opportunity to return to our colours and badge and attract back some of the good fans that have been lost.

The rebrand wasn't about just blind faith, it was based on a solid business decision. Tan has identified that the most successfully marketed teams in Asia wear red (Man U & Liverpool). He has matched that up with the Welsh Dragon and together we have a unique selling point.

The 'luck' bit comes from Chinese legend where it is considered a lucky colour, hence the popularity of teams playing in red. I might not wear red to games but I see the logic of using that colour to market ourselves in the far east.

Unless we become self-sustaining we will again head for the winding up courts and I for one wouldn't want to lose our idenity and hertige that way. So for now I am happy to run with Tan's vision, its the only option

Tony even though I do not agree with the rebrand, I never said that the rebrand was blind faith, just the fact that his blind faith was believing that the colour red was somehow lucky. I know it is regarded as a lucky colour in China but the majority of our fans are not Chinese but I am sure that some would convert on the strength of another offer of a Tan freebie.

Why won't people realise that identity is more important than success to some people?

And when will those people realise that not going out of business means more to the vast majority. Honestly those who harp on about the idenity and heritage have no concept that you also lose that when you go bankrupt.

Thats assuming Tony that we would actually go bankrupt. Tan himself has said he would go if we wanted but also said that he would leave us in a good position so do you not belive him? or is it a case that its Premier league at all costs?

Why won't people realise that identity is more important than success to some people?

And when will those people realise that not going out of business means more to the vast majority. Honestly those who harp on about the idenity and heritage have no concept that you also lose that when you go bankrupt.

Thats assuming Tony that we would actually go bankrupt. Tan himself has said he would go if we wanted but also said that he would leave us in a good position so do you not belive him? or is it a case that its Premier league at all costs?

In all seriousness what would you expect him eto say, things like this go on everyday in the business world, they don't sack people any more, they make it sound like they are doing you a favour by letting you go.

I bet he would have loved some new investors to step in, that would have helped him stay just long enough to sell the silver and get as much of his money back as possible.
Did you expect him to say, well you snubbed my offer, I'm going to do everything in my power to wreck your club for offending me.
I'm sure he would have really tried to help us and leave us in a good position, NOTTTTTTTTTTTTT

'Cardiff's blue diehards who don't go back will miss Premier League magic,' Neville Southall

17 Apr 2013

By Gareth Rogers



He wore blue for most of his career but Everton and Wales legend Neville Southall urges Cardiff City fans to embrace red.


Wales legend Neville Southall has urged stay away Bluebirds fans to back Cardiff City in the Premier League - despite the controversial rebrand.

While the Bluebirds clinched Premier League promotion against Charlton on Tuesday night many seasoned supporters stayed at home in protest at the controversial colour change but former Everton keeper Southall urges them to back Tan's plan.

He said: “You can say what you like (about Tan), but he has got success.”

“I can understand the shirt thing, but at the end of the day the most important thing was getting the club where it should be.

“They could come out in jockstraps and people wouldn’t give a monkey’s if they got into the Premier League.

"Some of the die-hards won’t go back, and that is a shame because they won’t see Premier League football.

“If they had failed it would probably have been seen as the manager’s fault, not the shirt’s fault.

But playing in red in Wales isn’t such a bad thing is it? I don’t think it was a major issue.”

victory over Burnley on Saturday would see Cardiff claim the Championship title, although two further opportunities would present themselves against Bolton and Hull should City not win at Turf Moor.

Southall, speaking at a Football Pools event today, said: “For a Cardiff fan, for the number of times they have nearly got there, it must be the sweetest night they have had.

Neville Southall
“It is brilliant (having two Welsh Premier League clubs), and if we can get a hat-trick with Newport or Wrexham being promoted (from the Conference) that would be even better.

“That would probably be the best season Welsh football has ever had. I can’t remember a time like it.

“We have two Premier League clubs – you would have to be stoned or bladdered to put a bet on like that a couple of years ago.

“One has been shown to have a good manager and good strategy in Swansea, and one has had some troubled times and have come through it and deserve to be in the Premier League.”

Southall, who won 92 caps during a 15-year international career, believes there could ultimately be spin-offs for the Wales national team, although that might take time.

“It may have a good effect if people in Cardiff want to play, but it may have the opposite effect – people have less patience in the Premier League and want success straight away,” he added.

“It would be nice if they could get some home-grown players. But I am not expecting a massive turnover, although I am sure they will buy for what they want to achieve.

“In fairness, if you ask a Cardiff or Swansea fan if they would rather have a good Welsh player or a super-duper foreign player, I think they would go for a super-duper foreign player.

“I think once they can build up their money – and they both do well in the community – they could make some improvement in the youth systems.

“I think they will do that, but in the past they have both been short of money. Hopefully, the money will go to that and they will produce their own in future.”

Everyone has their opinion, and it will never change over this issue so FFS lets all agree to disagree because we have 3 groups here

1. The Blues who will not change their opinion no matter what

2 . The Reds who believe this is the answer to our prayers, and you could say have been proved right with the Promotion.

3 . The Blues who are not happy about it but have accepted for the good of the Club, I sit here !!!!

I respect everyone opinion on this but at the end of the the day We are still CARDIFF CITY and will always be, so lets all cellebrate and go up as Champions and SUPPORT the boys no matter what!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Why won't people realise that identity is more important than success to some people?

After the game Tuesday, good few hundred of us headed back to Snowys pub in Pontypridd, lot'of these were blokes like me in their fifties or forties, people I have known though following the City year in year out for what seems like ever.

Sharing the common bond and love for the club and having shared many more lows than highs over the years, has given us an identity that goes far deeper than any pigment, shade or colour. Looking into the tearful eyes of people and knowing what it meant to them, remembering how many disappointments and frustrations we had all been through but stuck with it, that's what identity is to most.

I genuinely feel sorry for people who can't share in that feeling of togetherness and brotherhood that goes with the senseof belonging and identity that many of us feel, and in fact changing the colour in some way has brought many even closer together, because whilst it was a low point sticking together for the good and future security and successf that it brings, is a sacrifice that most genuine fans were prepared to make.

Gwyn I can agree to some extent with what you say. You must remember that there is nothing wrong with being loyal to our traditions and heritage and that we all know that change in some form is inevitable however the reason for change in our case is that a madman has a belief that red is a lucky colour and this is not a good enough reason to justify the change. when Tan did his pitchside walk on Tuesday night then you could hear the thousands of fans singing "we will always be blue".
Tan has missed the opportunity to become a legend and although fans are grateful to him for what he has done, the shine will be always taken off due to his rebrand.

I was in front of the ninian stand by the hoarding's and nowhere near thousands sang that when Tan passed probably nearer 50

Mr Jinks I was talking about the Canton and extending into the corner of the grandstand. But if it makes you feel better or less threatened thinking that only 50 people chanted then carry on.

Jinks must be death, "we will always be blue" was chanted around the whole stadium several times. When Tan walked around to where I was in the Canton stand, myself and many others held up our blue scarfs chanting "we will always be blue!"

So in a nutshell, Neville Southall is saying if Everton changed their colour to Liverpool's red to get a bit more success, he would be fine with it.

Why won't people realise that identity is more important than success to some people?

After the game Tuesday, good few hundred of us headed back to Snowys pub in Pontypridd, lot'of these were blokes like me in their fifties or forties, people I have known though following the City year in year out for what seems like ever.

Sharing the common bond and love for the club and having shared many more lows than highs over the years, has given us an identity that goes far deeper than any pigment, shade or colour. Looking into the tearful eyes of people and knowing what it meant to them, remembering how many disappointments and frustrations we had all been through but stuck with it, that's what identity is to most.

I genuinely feel sorry for people who can't share in that feeling of togetherness and brotherhood that goes with the senseof belonging and identity that many of us feel, and in fact changing the colour in some way has brought many even closer together, because whilst it was a low point sticking together for the good and future security and successf that it brings, is a sacrifice that most genuine fans were prepared to make.

Gwyn I can agree to some extent with what you say. You must remember that there is nothing wrong with being loyal to our traditions and heritage and that we all know that change in some form is inevitable however the reason for change in our case is that a madman has a belief that red is a lucky colour and this is not a good enough reason to justify the change. when Tan did his pitchside walk on Tuesday night then you could hear the thousands of fans singing "we will always be blue".
Tan has missed the opportunity to become a legend and although fans are grateful to him for what he has done, the shine will be always taken off due to his rebrand.

I was in front of the ninian stand by the hoarding's and nowhere near thousands sang that when Tan passed probably nearer 50

Mr Jinks I was talking about the Canton and extending into the corner of the grandstand. But if it makes you feel better or less threatened thinking that only 50 people chanted then carry on.

Jinks must be death, "we will always be blue" was chanted around the whole stadium several times. When Tan walked around to where I was in the Canton stand, myself and many others held up our blue scarfs chanting "we will always be blue!"

So in a nutshell, Neville Southall is saying if Everton changed their colour to Liverpool's red to get a bit more success, he would be fine with it.

I think you mean Jinx must be deaf, but so must a lot of other people, it's also funny with all the coverage on the Tv and like, it can't be heard once.

I bet it almost pushed VT into an instant rethink, oh wait, what was it he said when he walked back into the tunnel, luck red, that's right. Perhaps he thought people were delirious with happiness after seeing their team get to the Premiership, and that's why they were singing we'll always be blue, after just watching them play in red.

Why won't people realise that identity is more important than success to some people?

And when will those people realise that not going out of business means more to the vast majority. Honestly those who harp on about the idenity and heritage have no concept that you also lose that when you go bankrupt.

Thats assuming Tony that we would actually go bankrupt. Tan himself has said he would go if we wanted but also said that he would leave us in a good position so do you not belive him? or is it a case that its Premier league at all costs?

In all seriousness what would you expect him eto say, things like this go on everyday in the business world, they don't sack people any more, they make it sound like they are doing you a favour by letting you go.

I bet he would have loved some new investors to step in, that would have helped him stay just long enough to sell the silver and get as much of his money back as possible.
Did you expect him to say, well you snubbed my offer, I'm going to do everything in my power to wreck your club for offending me.
I'm sure he would have really tried to help us and leave us in a good position, NOTTTTTTTTTTTTT

So Gwyn you do not believe that Tan would leave us in a good position but that is no surprise to anyone because to admit that you believe Tan is telling us the truth would be an admission that your tales of bankrupcy and administartion were unfounded.

Why won't people realise that identity is more important than success to some people?

Gwyn I can agree to some extent with what you say. You must remember that there is nothing wrong with being loyal to our traditions and heritage and that we all know that change in some form is inevitable however the reason for change in our case is that a madman has a belief that red is a lucky colour and this is not a good enough reason to justify the change. when Tan did his pitchside walk on Tuesday night then you could hear the thousands of fans singing "we will always be blue".
Tan has missed the opportunity to become a legend and although fans are grateful to him for what he has done, the shine will be always taken off due to his rebrand.

I was in front of the ninian stand by the hoarding's and nowhere near thousands sang that when Tan passed probably nearer 50

Mr Jinks I was talking about the Canton and extending into the corner of the grandstand. But if it makes you feel better or less threatened thinking that only 50 people chanted then carry on.

Jinks must be death, "we will always be blue" was chanted around the whole stadium several times. When Tan walked around to where I was in the Canton stand, myself and many others held up our blue scarfs chanting "we will always be blue!"

So in a nutshell, Neville Southall is saying if Everton changed their colour to Liverpool's red to get a bit more success, he would be fine with it.

I think you mean Jinx must be deaf, but so must a lot of other people, it's also funny with all the coverage on the Tv and like, it can't be heard once.

I bet it almost pushed VT into an instant rethink, oh wait, what was it he said when he walked back into the tunnel, luck red, that's right. Perhaps he thought people were delirious with happiness after seeing their team get to the Premiership, and that's why they were singing we'll always be blue, after just watching them play in red.

It doesn't matter whether it was caught on tv or not, we chanted "we will always be blue" several times. We also chanted "the blues are going up" for ages. The fact a fair chunk of our fans chose to concentrate on our identity as much as our promotion speaks volumes. It will keep continuing and if we don't do well in the Premiership, the support for our identity from our reluctant reds will get greater and greater. Tan has had it easy this season because we've gone up. Things will change if we don't continue to do the business on the pitch.

Totally agree. The main chants after the final whistle were mostly blue related and is proof enough for me that the yearning for blue is well and truly alive and kicking.

Why won't people realise that identity is more important than success to some people?

And when will those people realise that not going out of business means more to the vast majority. Honestly those who harp on about the idenity and heritage have no concept that you also lose that when you go bankrupt.

Thats assuming Tony that we would actually go bankrupt. Tan himself has said he would go if we wanted but also said that he would leave us in a good position so do you not belive him? or is it a case that its Premier league at all costs?

In all seriousness what would you expect him eto say, things like this go on everyday in the business world, they don't sack people any more, they make it sound like they are doing you a favour by letting you go.

I bet he would have loved some new investors to step in, that would have helped him stay just long enough to sell the silver and get as much of his money back as possible.
Did you expect him to say, well you snubbed my offer, I'm going to do everything in my power to wreck your club for offending me.
I'm sure he would have really tried to help us and leave us in a good position, NOTTTTTTTTTTTTT

So Gwyn you do not believe that Tan would leave us in a good position but that is no surprise to anyone because to admit that you believe Tan is telling us the truth would be an admission that your tales of bankrupcy and administartion were unfounded.

not being funny, but you lost me there, don't see where your coming from.

Its pretty simple Gwyn. You claim not to believe Tans words that he would leave us in a good position because it would prove that your doomsday scenario of going bankrupt was never going to happen. So who is right you or Tan? I prefer to believe as you keep telling us, the successful billionaire.

Its pretty simple Gwyn. You claim not to believe Tans words that he would leave us in a good position because it would prove that your doomsday scenario of going bankrupt was never going to happen. So who is right you or Tan? I prefer to believe as you keep telling us, the successful billionaire.

Now I understand where your coming from. In my humble opinion lot's of people say one thing whilst meaning another and will lie and cheat to get an edge, but in the circles he moves in saving face etc is paramount,and reading between the lines is part of the game they play.

If he came out and said cross me and i'll wreck you, who else would trust him or let him near a deal, if as he said he will try and help the club find new investors, who get's the fault when none come along, not VT the good man, but the club who turned down the business deal he offered them and then paid the price accordingly, possibly sending out the message of don't look a gift horse in the mouth, or in this case turn down a deal, when in truth we had little to bargain with.

Its pretty simple Gwyn. You claim not to believe Tans words that he would leave us in a good position because it would prove that your doomsday scenario of going bankrupt was never going to happen. So who is right you or Tan? I prefer to believe as you keep telling us, the successful billionaire.

Now I understand where your coming from. In my humble opinion lot's of people say one thing whilst meaning another and will lie and cheat to get an edge, but in the circles he moves in saving face etc is paramount,and reading between the lines is part of the game they play.

If he came out and said cross me and i'll wreck you, who else would trust him or let him near a deal, if as he said he will try and help the club find new investors, who get's the fault when none come along, not VT the good man, but the club who turned down the business deal he offered them and then paid the price accordingly, possibly sending out the message of don't look a gift horse in the mouth, or in this case turn down a deal, when in truth we had little to bargain with.

I can see the logic Gwyn but if you believe that then surely Tan would lose far more face if he promised to leave the club in a good state and then left it in ruin when he left. This in my opinion would be a massive loss of face which he would try and avoid at all costs. You must also remember Gwyn that such a blunder would make world headlines now that we are in the Prem which would cause embarrassment for Tan on a global scale.

Southall is a typical north Walian plastic scouser. Stick to your precious Everton, and mind your own business.