Giving up our badge and colour

I'd take non-league football to be back in blue again, but I can't do anything about it so I'm just going to enjoy it.

I'd take non-league football to be back in blue again, but I can't do anything about it so I'm just going to enjoy it.

Of course you can, the fact people say this takes away the fans voice. If everybody decided to vote plaid Cymru then they would be in power, the fact people say "I would vote plaid but nobody else will so ill vote labour" means that what they actually want WILL NEVER happen. It's all about taking stands.

If you are going to enjoy it then I don't see how you would give anything to be back in blue, just clearly a soundbite used by people trying to mask them advocating it. If you enjoy it then you enjoy it, great - but dont pretend like you are against it because if you are enjoying it and actively showing your support for it then I'm afraid - against it you ain't.

I think i was the only person in the ground pissed off on Saturday as much as i try to enjoy the moment i do have games where i am just so pissed off with it a massive NO from me.

I'd take non-league football to be back in blue again, but I can't do anything about it so I'm just going to enjoy it.

You have never seen anything lower than the championship. I hve watched cardiff in league one and two and its utter gash non league would be terrible your better off waiting and hoping we get changed back to blue one day

But it's not the truth, So in fact yes it can be a wind up.

Tan Stated that the future would be bleak if we did not embrace the changes.
Some supporters (NOT ALL) spoke out about the need for this project to proceed.
Some supporters such as yourself decided to walk away from the club.And some after doing this started to blame the fans that remained for the whole situation.
It is all down to personal opinion, and how you view a situation differently.If I was still living in South Wales no colour change would stop me from attending matches.

Now you say your not a Wum, but the majority of posts do come across as that of someone who is on a wind up.
Most of your posts are on Rebrand threads whilst ones that aren't always seem to revert back to the subject.
You say you have walked away from the club because of it, so why keep going on about it on this forum.

But it's not the truth, So in fact yes it can be a wind up.

Tan Stated that the future would be bleak if we did not embrace the changes.

Did he? I don't recall this? What were his words? Where did you hear them?

What I DO recall him saying, was that he would reassess the investment and look at bringing additional investors in.. & Tan is the sort of man that would know investors!

The other part I missed from that was ;

It always a coincidence that Barry Chuckle seems to back you up?

For the Prem isit worth it?

yes

The other part I missed from that was ;

It always a coincidence that Barry Chuckle seems to back you up?

Heaven forbid its because I actually agree with him?

Whenever you are faced with a question, why do you switch tactic and suggest that people are also other people?

Is it because you cannot answer the questions?

I'd take non-league football to be back in blue again, but I can't do anything about it so I'm just going to enjoy it.

You have never seen anything lower than the championship. I hve watched cardiff in league one and two and its utter gash non league would be terrible your better off waiting and hoping we get changed back to blue one day

Many including myself would say that league one and two were very enjoyable times going to the football with your mates.

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Cardiff City are to go ahead with plans to rebrand the club, including changing the kit from blue to red and introducing a new badge.
The changes are part of a "major and significant" investment pledge from Cardiff's Malaysian owners.
They believe that the change of colour will expand the club's appeal in "international markets".
"We are only too aware that the change of colour is a radical move," said Cardiff chief executive Alan Whiteley.
The decision to implement the rebranding proposal was taken during talks between board members on Tuesday.
Cardiff released a statement confirming that investors Tan Sri Vincent Tan and Dato Chan Tien Ghee have pledged their commitment to the club.
As well as wearing red rather than blue home shirts from next season - for the first time since 1910 - the Championship club say they will now look into expanding Cardiff City Stadium and upgrading the club's training facilities.
More significantly, the investment plan hopes to clear the historical debt to the Langston Corporation, which is represented by former Cardiff owner Sam Hammam.
Negotiations have opened with Hammam and a "fair and reasonable" final offer had been made to the former City chairman in a bid to clear the debts, thought to be around £30m.
"The change of colour is a radical and some would say revolutionary move which will be met with unease and apprehension by a number of supporters, along with being seen as controversial by many," said Whiteley.

"To those I would like to say that this was not a decision that has been taken lightly or without a great deal of thought and debate.
"There is no getting away from the fact that history and traditions are the lifeblood of any club and as such should be jealously guarded and preserved.
"Both the board and our investors fully understand and respect this and will do their utmost to uphold, protect and promote the values and virtues which the club stands for."
Whiteley said the driving forced behind the move was to put Cardiff on a firm financial footing, allowing them to reach the Premier League.
"By securing this investment we can safeguard the immediate and long-term future of this club," he added.
"The changes to the home kit and badge introduced as a consequence of the investment package are designed to help the club to develop its brand and to allow it to expand its appeal to as wide an audience as possible, with a view to delivering local success via an international and diverse market."

Artist's impression of proposed new training facility
Malky Mackay, the Cardiff manager, welcomed the investment and the plans to bolster his squad for the new season.
"The securing of this package of investment and the breadth of vision which it encompasses should enable us to build on the progress already made in my first year and puts us in a position to take Cardiff City forward in the way which the fans deserve," said Mackay.
In May, the owners indicated they would be ready to invest into the club if the Bluebirds changed their shirt colours from blue for red and rebrand the club crest.
Some fans initially reacted angrily to the proposed change of club colours and it was feared the protest jeopardised investment plans by principal backer Vincent Tan, who had planned the multi-million pound rebrand.
Cardiff chairman Tien Ghee later revealed that controversial proposal had been dropped due to "vociferous opposition", but he reassured the ongoing commitment of the Malaysian investors.
He warned that the Bluebirds could not afford to continue losing money - a reported £1m a month - and that their investment strategy, said to be worth £100m, would be reassessed.
Although opposition to the rebrand among some Cardiff fans has cooled because of the scale of the proposed investment, others remain vehemently opposed to the change.
Cardiff Supporters' Trust chairman Tim Hartley said: "We welcome news about the proposed investment, stabilisation of the club's finances and especially the commitment to clearing our historic debts.
"However, there are still questions that need to be answered such as what happens to the proposed investment if there is no deal over historical debts with Langston and how much will actually be invested and over what period."
Cardiff's owners have already invested about £40m since Tien Ghee first represented the Malaysian investors on the Cardiff board in November 2009.

Well I found the page...


Tan indeed did not say " it would be bleak"


But the message is pretty clear from what I'm reading what TG said.

So, you were reading between the lines and totally ignoring his actual quotes... Okay.

Personally it would only be worth it in my eyes if they paid Sam off!!! Whether the Premiership will help Tan do that is another matter but inmy eyes Tan is just adding to the debt.

Am I reading inbetween the lines,that you once again sprout up on Paxmans post in his corner?


Or do you actually agree to his every little word?

Guess I would be switching subjects again though eh...

Am I reading inbetween the lines,that you once again sprout up on Paxmans post in his corner?


Or do you actually agree to his every little word?

Guess I would be switching subjects again though eh...

The only person I agree with is myself!!!

I know people have disliked my stance against the rebrand and believe me I am suffering because of it. However I will continue to dislike Tan until the team playing in blue at home once again and his promise to pay off Sam actually happens.

Am I reading inbetween the lines,that you once again sprout up on Paxmans post in his corner?


Or do you actually agree to his every little word?

Guess I would be switching subjects again though eh...

I agree with his views on the rebrand - this is a discussion on the rebrand, so I'm going to be agreeing - is that so hard to understand?

Why is it, when people on here hear something they disagree with, they are automatically a Jack or Roath Magic?

But This thread was about if fans felt it was worth the changes for the success.

Paxman felt;


What a load of bollocks

Guys Tan had backed down, he released a statement saying how the rebrand was now scrapped.... THE FANS then begged him to do it, so he did.

If you are big enough to rip away 100 years of traditions handed down from grandad to grandson then be big enough to admit it. We had a duty of care to this club and sold the family heirloom for a loan essentially.

Feels dirty and all sorts of wrong, but don't for a minute pretend that we had no choice because you are only kidding yourselves, everyone knows what happened.



Surely a simple no would suffice.
Especially from a fan who has openly admitted he has walked away from the club because of his opinion in the rebrand.

Sorry reading between the lines again. What he actually said is;
"One of the few true fans left. Not entered the stadium since the rebrand."

Okay, I'll answer it.

No.

One of the few true fans left. Not entered the stadium since the rebrand.

Irony being surely a true fan wouldn't walk away?



If Pax feels that strongly then fair enough he stands up for what he feels is right.

But why the hatred toward fans who didn't walk away?


I made a choice to sell my season ticket and move away to be with my wife and gorgeous daughter, plus better employment arrangement.
Surely if I adopted the mentality of a similar nature I would resent my wife for not being from South Wales?

Would you agree to that? I know I wouldn't.

One of the few true fans left. Not entered the stadium since the rebrand.

Irony being surely a true fan wouldn't walk away?



If Pax feels that strongly then fair enough he stands up for what he feels is right.

But why the hatred toward fans who didn't walk away?


I made a choice to sell my season ticket and move away to be with my wife and gorgeous daughter, plus better employment arrangement.
Surely if I adopted the mentality of a similar nature I would resent my wife for not being from South Wales?

Would you agree to that? I know I wouldn't.

Everyone has a right to a view & that's his. I don't agree with that particular viewpoint, but that's what a forum is all about. Everyone airing their views, no?

Every time you see someone with a differing view to yours, you immediately accuse them of being Paxman - which is rubbish. You claim that I'm Paxman & that he doesn't go anymore, yet I'm seen by many members here at every home game - so can't you see that I'm not him?

I'd take non-league football to be back in blue again, but I can't do anything about it so I'm just going to enjoy it.

You have never seen anything lower than the championship. I hve watched cardiff in league one and two and its utter gash non league would be terrible your better off waiting and hoping we get changed back to blue one day

Many including myself would say that league one and two were very enjoyable times going to the football with your mates.

Yes but i go with my kids so don't want to go back to that shit because it was hardly about football back then..
Give me championship standard anyday..

One of the few true fans left. Not entered the stadium since the rebrand.

Irony being surely a true fan wouldn't walk away?



If Pax feels that strongly then fair enough he stands up for what he feels is right.

But why the hatred toward fans who didn't walk away?


I made a choice to sell my season ticket and move away to be with my wife and gorgeous daughter, plus better employment arrangement.
Surely if I adopted the mentality of a similar nature I would resent my wife for not being from South Wales?

Would you agree to that? I know I wouldn't.

Everyone has a right to a view & that's his. I don't agree with that particular viewpoint, but that's what a forum is all about. Everyone airing their views, no?

Every time you see someone with a differing view to yours, you immediately accuse them of being Paxman - which is rubbish. You claim that I'm Paxman & that he doesn't go anymore, yet I'm seen by many members here at every home game - so can't you see that I'm not him?

Sorry for a moment I thought he was claiming that I was constantly supporting Paxman!!!

One of the few true fans left. Not entered the stadium since the rebrand.

Irony being surely a true fan wouldn't walk away?



If Pax feels that strongly then fair enough he stands up for what he feels is right.

But why the hatred toward fans who didn't walk away?


I made a choice to sell my season ticket and move away to be with my wife and gorgeous daughter, plus better employment arrangement.
Surely if I adopted the mentality of a similar nature I would resent my wife for not being from South Wales?

Would you agree to that? I know I wouldn't.

What? Why do you assume I hate the people that stayed?

I've never said anything remotely similar.

My stance is I'm against the rebrand so show it, those who claim to be against the rebrand but are enjoying it and showing their support cannot claim to be against it. Simple as that and yet again, just common sense.

Where have I ever stated that you are Paxman?
Where have I ever accused anyone of being Paxman?

I have however accused Paxman of being a previously banned user..



Maybe you should stop reading between the lines...



See what I did there!!!!!

Where have I ever stated that you are Paxman?
Where have I ever accused anyone of being Paxman?

I have however accused Paxman of being a previously banned user..



Maybe you should stop reading between the lines...



See what I did there!!!!!

You have insinuated in this thread and have accused in the past.

It's not only you, either.

No I said it was a "coincidence" almost like That you two always seem to sing in the same hymn sheet on the same threads.

Almost like a coincidence that you have been fighting his corner and now he is back to argue his own case.


I wouldn't insinuate that you are Paxman .


If I thought it, I would just say it..