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Wed Apr 10, 2013 8:48 am
Angry Man wrote:There are many top players who aren't any good at tackling and you only have to look at Paul Scholes as a prime example of that.
to be fair no one ever accused scholes of shitting out though.
Wed Apr 10, 2013 10:38 am
During half time when our subs were out warming up whitts stood around doing fu.. all he is lazy not laid back and does shit out kimbo every time for me sorry but whitts for me knows he wont be first choice in the premier where he will be out of his comfort zone of the championship
Wed Apr 10, 2013 10:48 am
Some fans are absolutely mad. Peter Whittingham doesn't lack commitment and deserves to be respected. He has probably been the most loyal player to this club over the years as he could have jumped shipped on many occasions but each time decided to stay with us and help us get promoted.
Whitts is just short of form recently, nothing more nor less. At the start of the season people were all too proud of Whitts and his ability and were shouting it from the roof tops how we had the Championships most technical player.
Wed Apr 10, 2013 10:49 am
The reason Whitts is not as defensively solid as the others is because hes an attacking player. For years he was on the left wing for crying out loud. When he moved central he was a CAM and that's his best position. He'd be ideal in a diamond formation as the CAM in behind 2 strikers or as the central AM in a 4-2-3-1 with Bellamy left and Conway/Noone right but Malky does not play him there and plays him either directly CM or CDM alongside Aron.
Maybe Whitts isn't as adaptive as other players but I've yet to see him sulk once when being played deeper than he is used to and his goals early on in the season will prove vitally important if we are to cross the line and get promoted.
Some of our fans memories are shocking. He singlehandedly destroyed Wolves and he's been the creator of many goals as well as scoring 8 himself.
8 goals
7 assists
Hes been involved in 15 goals this season. Considering we've only scored 65 then he's been involved in 23% of the goals we have scored this season.
How anyone can slate a player who has been involved in scoring almost a quarter of the goals a club has scored in a season whereby that team finds themselves 6 points clear with 5 games to go is well and truly beyond me. Some of our fans truly are idiots.
Wed Apr 10, 2013 10:49 am
troobloo3339 wrote:During half time when our subs were out warming up whitts stood around doing fu.. all he is lazy not laid back and does shit out kimbo every time for me sorry but whitts for me knows he wont be first choice in the premier where he will be out of his comfort zone of the championship
I would put money down that Whittingham will do more running over 90 minutes than the majority of our starting 11. Just because he doesnt run around like a headless chicken doesnt make him lazy. He is clever with his movement, where he moves and when.
Do actim index release starts on distance run per game?
Wed Apr 10, 2013 10:50 am
troobloo3339 wrote:During half time when our subs were out warming up whitts stood around doing fu.. all he is lazy not laid back and does shit out kimbo every time for me sorry but whitts for me knows he wont be first choice in the premier where he will be out of his comfort zone of the championship
you couldnt have been watching properly then because i watched Whitts, Nugent and Rudy knocking the ball about keeping warm and remember thinking how skillful Whitts is!
Wed Apr 10, 2013 10:51 am
He didn't chase down or try to tackle one player. He's been playing shit for a while. Being layed back ain't an excuse he needs to pull his finger out.
Wed Apr 10, 2013 11:11 am
I have read some shit on thie board but this thread is quite possibly the biggest load of nonsense I have ever read.
Looks like Cardiff City have found a new scapegoat
Wed Apr 10, 2013 11:16 am
Mario Polotelli wrote:I have read some shit on thie board but this thread is quite possibly the biggest load of nonsense I have ever read.
Looks like Cardiff City have found a new scapegoat

Even though we've not seen eye to eye on certain things you are spot on when it comes to football. 100% agree. Only Cardiff City could find a scapegoat for a team top of the table.
Wed Apr 10, 2013 11:18 am
All Black Everything. wrote:Mario Polotelli wrote:I have read some shit on thie board but this thread is quite possibly the biggest load of nonsense I have ever read.
Looks like Cardiff City have found a new scapegoat

Even though we've not seen eye to eye on certain things you are spot on when it comes to football. 100% agree. Only Cardiff City could find a scapegoat for a team top of the table.
Not only that, he is one of our best f.ucking players if used correctly!!!
Its not his fault Malky is trying to make him something he isnt but to call him a coward and a "poor proffesional"?!?!?! WTF!!!!!
Wed Apr 10, 2013 11:26 am
Oh to be in the trenches with some Cardiff fans....
He is going through a rough patch and we have posts like this......
Support the lad, he is one of our own........
Wed Apr 10, 2013 11:43 am
Mario Polotelli wrote:All Black Everything. wrote:Mario Polotelli wrote:I have read some shit on thie board but this thread is quite possibly the biggest load of nonsense I have ever read.
Looks like Cardiff City have found a new scapegoat

Even though we've not seen eye to eye on certain things you are spot on when it comes to football. 100% agree. Only Cardiff City could find a scapegoat for a team top of the table.
Not only that, he is one of our best f.ucking players if used correctly!!!
Its not his fault Malky is trying to make him something he isnt but to call him a coward and a "poor proffesional"?!?!?! WTF!!!!!
Spot on. In my opinion, Whitts has been class this year. He has contributed to a high percentage of goals, has won us important games with pure genius goals from free kicks etc. and he has never sulked when played out of position by Malky and has stuck to the team ethos. He's been a true professional and had he sulked he could have caused disruption and derailed our whole promotion bid.
Has he been as good in previous seasons? No but we've also got a stronger team that (1) mean he is not a big fish in a small pond that stands out so easily anymore and (2) he's no longer playing consistently in his preferred position. Its no different from asking a master of physics to help with biological work. They can do the job thanks to knowledge of science but they can't do their best because its not the field they have worked with all their career and mastered.
People forget that we have quality players in the squad now who work hard and chase down. Years ago people were comparing Whitts to players like Bothroyd who were lazy and they'd slate Bothroyd. Now Whittingham is the one looking lazy because we have players who are the complete opposite to Bothroyd and work hard. That doesn't mean Whittingham is lazy, it just means his work rate is average as it always has been. Whitts has always been consistently average in his work rate. He's never been lazy like a Bothroyd and he's never been a player like Bellamy who's always running. They are near the extremes of the spectrum whereas Whitts lies in the middle.
Wed Apr 10, 2013 11:48 am
Paul Scholes can't tackle for shit, is he a coward? And as for you saying you'd put in a shift if you were being paid 20k a week. Anyone could run around like a headless chicken and put in a shift, most likely you'd still be shit. Whitts has been quality for us. He's a club legend in his own right. Show some respect.
Wed Apr 10, 2013 11:52 am
bluebird_mike wrote:Paul Scholes can't tackle for shit, is he a coward? And as for you saying you'd put in a shift if you were being paid 20k a week. Anyone could run around like a headless chicken and put in a shift, most likely you'd still be shit. Whitts has been quality for us. He's a club legend in his own right. Show some respect.
There's a difference with not being able to tackle and not attempting to tackle
Wed Apr 10, 2013 12:30 pm
Whitts is one of those players that he isn't versatile. But the one position he plays he excels. But Malky does not think that he is that type of player, and that worries me. Whitts is the best attacking Midfielder in this league full stop. When was the last time he was played in this position ?
Wed Apr 10, 2013 2:05 pm
Nuclearblue wrote:Whitts is one of those players that he isn't versatile. But the one position he plays he excels. But Malky does not think that he is that type of player, and that worries me. Whitts is the best attacking Midfielder in this league full stop. When was the last time he was played in this position ?
What Malky realises is that Whitts is good from a dead ball situation and that Whitts can pass and dictate play because of his ability to pass. Whitts is still learning how to play the deep lying play maker role and because he hasn't got much pace there is no future for him out wide or further forward. The future for Whittingham is the same as the way it went for Beckham and being a dictator from deep. Whitts needs to learn to adapt and this will take time and he's not suddenly going to go from an attacking player to a player who has to strike the perfect balance and know when to attack. Beckham was moved centrally because he could pass and because he has no pace. Neither does Whittingham and if Whittingham is going to be a part of our future he is best suited to the deep lying play maker role. What is annoying is the lack of patience our fans have for a player who has done a great service at this club and has still contributed greatly this season as the stats prove. In a more advanced role Kim is better as he has more energy and he is younger and will grow into the role as each season passes.
Wed Apr 10, 2013 2:12 pm
Mario Polotelli wrote:I have read some shit on thie board but this thread is quite possibly the biggest load of nonsense I have ever read.
Looks like Cardiff City have found a new scapegoat

Totally agree.
I can't get my head around it tbh.
Wed Apr 10, 2013 2:37 pm
He does what he wants
This man deserves more respect.
Wed Apr 10, 2013 2:59 pm
All Black Everything. wrote:Nuclearblue wrote:Whitts is one of those players that he isn't versatile. But the one position he plays he excels. But Malky does not think that he is that type of player, and that worries me. Whitts is the best attacking Midfielder in this league full stop. When was the last time he was played in this position ?
What Malky realises is that Whitts is good from a dead ball situation and that Whitts can pass and dictate play because of his ability to pass. Whitts is still learning how to play the deep lying play maker role and because he hasn't got much pace there is no future for him out wide or further forward. The future for Whittingham is the same as the way it went for Beckham and being a dictator from deep. Whitts needs to learn to adapt and this will take time and he's not suddenly going to go from an attacking player to a player who has to strike the perfect balance and know when to attack. Beckham was moved centrally because he could pass and because he has no pace. Neither does Whittingham and if Whittingham is going to be a part of our future he is best suited to the deep lying play maker role. What is annoying is the lack of patience our fans have for a player who has done a great service at this club and has still contributed greatly this season as the stats prove. In a more advanced role Kim is better as he has more energy and he is younger and will grow into the role as each season passes.
He does not need pace Chief. He is one of the best attacking midfielders out there and he hasen't needed pace before. But i dont agree with using him defensively its a waste of a very special talent.
Wed Apr 10, 2013 3:01 pm
kingdong wrote:bluebird_mike wrote:Paul Scholes can't tackle for shit, is he a coward? And as for you saying you'd put in a shift if you were being paid 20k a week. Anyone could run around like a headless chicken and put in a shift, most likely you'd still be shit. Whitts has been quality for us. He's a club legend in his own right. Show some respect.
There's a difference with not being able to tackle and not attempting to tackle
Finally someone gets it.
Wed Apr 10, 2013 3:24 pm
Nuclearblue wrote:He does not need pace Chief. He is one of the best attacking midfielders out there and he hasen't needed pace before. But i dont agree with using him defensively its a waste of a very special talent.
At Premier League level attacking midfielders need pace Nukes. Kagawa was brought in because he's fast and a work horse as well as being technically gifted. You look on the continent and they have Ozil, Reus, Gotze, etc. Chelsea have Oscar and Mata who can play that role and Arsenal have Carzorla whereas Arteta is playing in the place we need Whittingham to play etc. Every attacking midfielder on this list has more pace and a better work rate than Whitts even Giggs.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/7782 ... rld/page/2Whether we like it or not and as technically gifted as he is Whittingham would not cope as an attacking midfielder in the Premier League. My biggest annoyance with Malky is his reluctance to use a strict 4-2-3-1 formation.
Wed Apr 10, 2013 3:25 pm
whitts is one of our best players but he needs play in an attacking role not the defensive role malky made him play
the OP needs to lay of them panda pops
Wed Apr 10, 2013 3:47 pm
HE LOVES CARDIFF----AND HAS SHOWN HIS LOYALTY WHEN PREM CLUBS HAVE COME KNOCKING THE DOOR, HE'S ALWAYS
SAID HE WILL PLAY IN THE TOP FLIGHT BUT WITH US---MALKY'S CHOICE TO PLAY HIM SO DEEP, MOST WOULD HAVE HIM PLAYING IN THE OPPOSITIONS LAST THIRD----BAD SEASON

???---HE'S STILL JOINT TOP GOAL SCORER
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