RELIGION?

Religion is a means of controlling the masses.
Making individuals believe that a god is watching them at all times, and controlling their conscience.
Here endeth the lesson.

Unbelievably simplistic comment.

In North Korea and China the Christian Church operates underground at risk of death if caught. The early Christian Church suffered persecution similarly, actually Christianity grew at risk of death whilst Islam grew at threat of death if otherwise!

Sadly some people have misused their control over religion but saying religion is bad as a result is like saying Football is bad because of Hillsborough. It's not the sport that's wrong it's the choices of those in power.

Seriously then, why do these all loving gods (of which there are many, and all say we will go to hell if we do not believe in that particular God by the way) let babies die from starvation? Why do these all powerful loving gods let old folk freeze to death? Why is Cancer killing millions world wide?
Misused the word control? I don't think so.
This planet is so small in comparison to this universe we are insignificant.
We are smaller than bacteria in this universe.
In fact we a less than the size of an atom in comparison.
Do you seriously believe there is an entity that is interested and can see everyone's thoughts?
Never in a billion years.
I can show you where nature and science is good. I can show you where people are good
So can I show you where they are bad too.
You can not show me god.

So many questions we have and when we are given the answers we have a lot more questions. It asks the question will we ever have no more answers.

Sometimes on such a complex subject the answer is very simple. According to the bible God created Adam and Eve to lead the perfect way. However he allowed them the choice to go his way or their own way. They ate the apple and went their own way hence why we suffer with such terrible things.

Worst answer ever.
He (God) has now damned billions of people to famine/cancers/viruses/murders etc because one bloke (supposedly) chose to bite an apple.
Nice god you have there mate.

If there is a God he should have been sacked a long, long time ago.

It's basically just for people who have been brain washed from birth, the muzzies are the worst for this.

It's basically just for people who have been brain washed from birth, the muzzies are the worst for this.

the same could be said for those who hate it have never experienced it therefore have been brainwashed into hating it.

i know what your saying mate, but to not agree with something you first have to understand it.

Religion is a means of controlling the masses.
Making individuals believe that a god is watching them at all times, and controlling their conscience.
Here endeth the lesson.

Unbelievably simplistic comment.

In North Korea and China the Christian Church operates underground at risk of death if caught. The early Christian Church suffered persecution similarly, actually Christianity grew at risk of death whilst Islam grew at threat of death if otherwise!

Sadly some people have misused their control over religion but saying religion is bad as a result is like saying Football is bad because of Hillsborough. It's not the sport that's wrong it's the choices of those in power.

Seriously then, why do these all loving gods (of which there are many, and all say we will go to hell if we do not believe in that particular God by the way) let babies die from starvation? Why do these all powerful loving gods let old folk freeze to death? Why is Cancer killing millions world wide?
Misused the word control? I don't think so.
This planet is so small in comparison to this universe we are insignificant.
We are smaller than bacteria in this universe.
In fact we a less than the size of an atom in comparison.
Do you seriously believe there is an entity that is interested and can see everyone's thoughts?
Never in a billion years.
I can show you where nature and science is good. I can show you where people are good
So can I show you where they are bad too.
You can not show me god.

So many questions we have and when we are given the answers we have a lot more questions. It asks the question will we ever have no more answers.

Sometimes on such a complex subject the answer is very simple. According to the bible God created Adam and Eve to lead the perfect way. However he allowed them the choice to go his way or their own way. They ate the apple and went their own way hence why we suffer with such terrible things.

Worst answer ever.
He (God) has now damned billions of people to famine/cancers/viruses/murders etc because one bloke (supposedly) chose to bite an apple.
Nice god you have there mate.

i ate a granny smith this morning
think of the damage i couldve done

Religion is a means of controlling the masses.
Making individuals believe that a god is watching them at all times, and controlling their conscience.
Here endeth the lesson.

Unbelievably simplistic comment.

In North Korea and China the Christian Church operates underground at risk of death if caught. The early Christian Church suffered persecution similarly, actually Christianity grew at risk of death whilst Islam grew at threat of death if otherwise!

Sadly some people have misused their control over religion but saying religion is bad as a result is like saying Football is bad because of Hillsborough. It's not the sport that's wrong it's the choices of those in power.

Seriously then, why do these all loving gods (of which there are many, and all say we will go to hell if we do not believe in that particular God by the way) let babies die from starvation? Why do these all powerful loving gods let old folk freeze to death? Why is Cancer killing millions world wide?
Misused the word control? I don't think so.
This planet is so small in comparison to this universe we are insignificant.
We are smaller than bacteria in this universe.
In fact we a less than the size of an atom in comparison.
Do you seriously believe there is an entity that is interested and can see everyone's thoughts?
Never in a billion years.
I can show you where nature and science is good. I can show you where people are good
So can I show you where they are bad too.
You can not show me god.

So many questions we have and when we are given the answers we have a lot more questions. It asks the question will we ever have no more answers.

Sometimes on such a complex subject the answer is very simple. According to the bible God created Adam and Eve to lead the perfect way. However he allowed them the choice to go his way or their own way. They ate the apple and went their own way hence why we suffer with such terrible things.

Worst answer ever.
He (God) has now damned billions of people to famine/cancers/viruses/murders etc because one bloke (supposedly) chose to bite an apple.
Nice god you have there mate.

Firstly, all of us are far from perfect, unless you are claiming to be so?

Secondly, how do you know what is right and wrong in the first place?

It's basically just for people who have been brain washed from birth, the muzzies are the worst for this.

Despite all the people such as myself and many people known to me who used to hate religion but then became Christians. No need for that....

Thank you MJW6150. You have given an excellent defence of Christianity. As always the difficulty is that most people are literally ignaramus's regarding the Word of God but have an opinion anyway. They don't know what they are talking about but they say it anyway.
Have you noticed it's always the same old stuff they spew out and yet they seem to think that they are saying something nobody else has come up with.
In a serious discussion and debate their positions would be destroyed within minutes by the person who actually knows what the bible says. Good for you brother.
"God so loved the world that he gave his one and only son so that whoever believes in him would not perish but have everlasting life" JOhn 3:16

Religion is a means of controlling the masses.
Making individuals believe that a god is watching them at all times, and controlling their conscience.
Here endeth the lesson.

Unbelievably simplistic comment.

In North Korea and China the Christian Church operates underground at risk of death if caught. The early Christian Church suffered persecution similarly, actually Christianity grew at risk of death whilst Islam grew at threat of death if otherwise!

Sadly some people have misused their control over religion but saying religion is bad as a result is like saying Football is bad because of Hillsborough. It's not the sport that's wrong it's the choices of those in power.

Seriously then, why do these all loving gods (of which there are many, and all say we will go to hell if we do not believe in that particular God by the way) let babies die from starvation? Why do these all powerful loving gods let old folk freeze to death? Why is Cancer killing millions world wide?
Misused the word control? I don't think so.
This planet is so small in comparison to this universe we are insignificant.
We are smaller than bacteria in this universe.
In fact we a less than the size of an atom in comparison.
Do you seriously believe there is an entity that is interested and can see everyone's thoughts?
Never in a billion years.
I can show you where nature and science is good. I can show you where people are good
So can I show you where they are bad too.
You can not show me god.

So many questions we have and when we are given the answers we have a lot more questions. It asks the question will we ever have no more answers.

Sometimes on such a complex subject the answer is very simple. According to the bible God created Adam and Eve to lead the perfect way. However he allowed them the choice to go his way or their own way. They ate the apple and went their own way hence why we suffer with such terrible things.

Worst answer ever.
He (God) has now damned billions of people to famine/cancers/viruses/murders etc because one bloke (supposedly) chose to bite an apple.
Nice god you have there mate.

My God? I'm only repeating the story.

The message of the story here is that the human race has damned itself by disobeying. A bit like when your parents tell you not to do bad, you go ahead with it and then have to deal with the consequences.

Religion is a means of controlling the masses.
Making individuals believe that a god is watching them at all times, and controlling their conscience.
Here endeth the lesson.

Unbelievably simplistic comment.

In North Korea and China the Christian Church operates underground at risk of death if caught. The early Christian Church suffered persecution similarly, actually Christianity grew at risk of death whilst Islam grew at threat of death if otherwise!

Sadly some people have misused their control over religion but saying religion is bad as a result is like saying Football is bad because of Hillsborough. It's not the sport that's wrong it's the choices of those in power.

Seriously then, why do these all loving gods (of which there are many, and all say we will go to hell if we do not believe in that particular God by the way) let babies die from starvation? Why do these all powerful loving gods let old folk freeze to death? Why is Cancer killing millions world wide?
Misused the word control? I don't think so.
This planet is so small in comparison to this universe we are insignificant.
We are smaller than bacteria in this universe.
In fact we a less than the size of an atom in comparison.
Do you seriously believe there is an entity that is interested and can see everyone's thoughts?
Never in a billion years.
I can show you where nature and science is good. I can show you where people are good
So can I show you where they are bad too.
You can not show me god.

So many questions we have and when we are given the answers we have a lot more questions. It asks the question will we ever have no more answers.

Sometimes on such a complex subject the answer is very simple. According to the bible God created Adam and Eve to lead the perfect way. However he allowed them the choice to go his way or their own way. They ate the apple and went their own way hence why we suffer with such terrible things.

Worst answer ever.
He (God) has now damned billions of people to famine/cancers/viruses/murders etc because one bloke (supposedly) chose to bite an apple.
Nice god you have there mate.

Firstly, all of us are far from perfect, unless you are claiming to be so?

Secondly, how do you know what is right and wrong in the first place?

What you have just said is not an answer to .."He (God) has now damned billions of people to famine/cancers/viruses/murders etc because one bloke (supposedly) chose to bite an apple" Answer this please? Is he an all loving God?
Never said anyone was perfect, with or without a god?

I don't know what is right or wrong, never professed to know anyway.
What I do know, is that what I feel is right, most people I know agree with me, is that others are pleased with. I.E. Helping out, charities, being honest etc. I don't think I have to say whats wrong as we all know.
All the above was around long before religion too!

Thank you MJW6150. You have given an excellent defence of Christianity. As always the difficulty is that most people are literally ignaramus's regarding the Word of God but have an opinion anyway. They don't know what they are talking about but they say it anyway.
Have you noticed it's always the same old stuff they spew out and yet they seem to think that they are saying something nobody else has come up with.
In a serious discussion and debate their positions would be destroyed within minutes by the person who actually knows what the bible says. Good for you brother.
"God so loved the world that he gave his one and only son so that whoever believes in him would not perish but have everlasting life" JOhn 3:16

Cheers mate, I assume you are a Christian too? Nice to see another one on here!

I've heard just about every argument there is so this isn't anything new to me

Problem is people have different agendas and presuppositions. You'll never believe anything no matter what the evidence if your presupposition is that God doesn't exist, and many don't want it to be true as the reality of it is huge for all of us.

Answer this please? Is he an all loving God?
Never said anyone was perfect, with or without a god?

I don't know what is right or wrong, never professed to know anyway.
What I do know, is that what I feel is right, most people I know agree with me, is that others are pleased with. I.E. Helping out, charities, being honest etc. I don't think I have to say whats wrong as we all know.
All the above was around long before religion too

Sorry, I wasn't really clear.

God didn't damn anyone, we damned ourselves by choosing the wrong path, the path He warned us against. Adam isn't the only one to choose the wrong path, all of us have at some point or other.

Are you going to answer my long post earlier?

If you don't know what is right or wrong then how can you condemn God for supposedly damning people to famine/cancer/viruses/murder (how can you blame God for that anyway? I can see the what you are getting at with the others but murder is literally someones choice to disobey the 'do not murder' commandment?!)

But we don't all know, many people I know refuse to help charities and very rarely tell the truth. What makes them wrong for doing so? In some countries, rape is not considered a crime. Does that make it right? Of course we wouldn't accept a 'yes' answer to that, not even a 'maybe'. It's wrong and I can justify why I know it's wrong.

We only know in the first place because our whole law system is derived from the Biblical Ten Commandments!? So it wasn't around long before religion, unless you can furnish me with proof?

One last question, what came first....the laws of logic (i.e. the law of non contradiction...I cannot be in Australia and USA at the same time) or man?

Answer this please? Is he an all loving God?
Never said anyone was perfect, with or without a god?

I don't know what is right or wrong, never professed to know anyway.
What I do know, is that what I feel is right, most people I know agree with me, is that others are pleased with. I.E. Helping out, charities, being honest etc. I don't think I have to say whats wrong as we all know.
All the above was around long before religion too

Sorry, I wasn't really clear.

God didn't damn anyone, we damned ourselves by choosing the wrong path, the path He warned us against. Adam isn't the only one to choose the wrong path, all of us have at some point or other. Yet he will still condemn people to hell (according to the bible) even though he loves us all?

Are you going to answer my long post earlier?

If you don't know what is right or wrong then how can you condemn God for supposedly damning people to famine/cancer/viruses/murder (how can you blame God for that anyway? I can see the what you are getting at with the others but murder is literally someones choice to disobey the 'do not murder' commandment?!) According to your god, the commandments tell you what is wrong (the commandments) If there is a God and he is all loving then there would be none of the above. Try telling the starving millions around the world "Don't worry you are going to starve to death, god loves you" I don't think it will help much.

But we don't all know, many people I know refuse to help charities and very rarely tell the truth. What makes them wrong for doing so? In some countries, rape is not considered a crime. Does that make it right? Of course we wouldn't accept a 'yes' answer to that, not even a 'maybe'. It's wrong and I can justify why I know it's wrong. If someone gets hurt, it's not good that's for sure. However there are different levels of hurt and there should be punishment above certain degrees. Crime is punished locally by the local governments. We make the laws, not god. God (if you believe the bible) has given you guidelines and that's up to you.

We only know in the first place because our whole law system is derived from the Biblical Ten Commandments!? So it wasn't around long before religion, unless you can furnish me with proof? So, being good to some-one or being bad to someone was not around before the Bible? You're having a laugh!!

One last question, what came first....the laws of logic (i.e. the law of non contradiction...I cannot be in Australia and USA at the same time) or man?

Man first, because man made the law of logic. Before man it mattered not a jot to man.

Religion = hate, war and so on, who made this bullshit religion word up to start with anyway, whoever it was wanted shooting before it was even thought of, how can anybody justify some geezer dressed as a tramp riding the local UFO in the sky as his taxi service ffs, you must be bonkers to even think this.

'Yet he will still condemn people to hell (according to the bible) even though he loves us all?'

God loves us, as the Bible says, but whilst God is loving He is also Just, which means He will ensure justice is done. Just as if someone did a wrong to our family and friends we would expect them to pay for it, God ensures that no wrong goes unpunished. God actually cannot stand sin, hence why Jesus, when on the cross said 'Why have you forsaken me?'. Jesus Christ was taking on the sin of mankind and God refused to be present. If we want to go into God's presence we must be free of sin. YET, God came and died Himself to give us the chance to go to Heaven and not hell.

According to your god, the commandments tell you what is wrong (the commandments) If there is a God and he is all loving then there would be none of the above. Try telling the starving millions around the world "Don't worry you are going to starve to death, god loves you" I don't think it will help much.

As I said in my previous post, God gave us a choice to do either what is right and what is wrong. Just as a tiny bit of poison pollutes water fully, sin pollutes creation. I've been to Africa and seen terrible poverty and actually their faith is the one thing that keeps them going. In fact, those people were happier than most of the people I see in my daily life here. Not that their problems don't need seeing to and God calls many workers to help over there and by giving money.

'If someone gets hurt, it's not good that's for sure.'

What about when people are hurt by musclebuilding, or by operations to save their lives? What about when someone gives someone a few home truths, they need to hear it but it hurts?

We make the laws, not god. God (if you believe the bible) has given you guidelines and that's up to you.

Our laws come from God's laws. The law isn't perfect, many things that are illegal now were legal in the past, were they okay then? Is North Korean law a justifiable case for morality?

So how do you know what is right and wrong?

So, being good to some-one or being bad to someone was not around before the Bible? You're having a laugh!!

I'm not saying that as clearly the Bible was written after the Commandments were given. Remember, you are the one who said you don't know what is right or wrong, even today.

Man first, because man made the law of logic. Before man it mattered not a jot to man.

So now I ask you, did the world exist and not exist at the same time before logic was made? (since the law of non contradiction was man made)

Religion = hate, war and so on, who made this bullshit religion word up to start with anyway, whoever it was wanted shooting before it was even thought of, how can anybody justify some geezer dressed as a tramp riding the local UFO in the sky as his taxi service ffs, you must be bonkers to even think this.

I don't think anyone thinks that to be honest!

'Yet he will still condemn people to hell (according to the bible) even though he loves us all?'

God loves us, as the Bible says, but whilst God is loving He is also Just, which means He will ensure justice is done. Just as if someone did a wrong to our family and friends we would expect them to pay for it, God ensures that no wrong goes unpunished. God actually cannot stand sin, hence why Jesus, when on the cross said 'Why have you forsaken me?'. Jesus Christ was taking on the sin of mankind and God refused to be present. If we want to go into God's presence we must be free of sin. YET, God came and died Himself to give us the chance to go to Heaven and not hell.

According to your god, the commandments tell you what is wrong (the commandments) If there is a God and he is all loving then there would be none of the above. Try telling the starving millions around the world "Don't worry you are going to starve to death, god loves you" I don't think it will help much.

As I said in my previous post, God gave us a choice to do either what is right and what is wrong. Just as a tiny bit of poison pollutes water fully, sin pollutes creation. I've been to Africa and seen terrible poverty and actually their faith is the one thing that keeps them going. In fact, those people were happier than most of the people I see in my daily life here. Not that their problems don't need seeing to and God calls many workers to help over there and by giving money.

'If someone gets hurt, it's not good that's for sure.'

What about when people are hurt by musclebuilding, or by operations to save their lives? What about when someone gives someone a few home truths, they need to hear it but it hurts?

We make the laws, not god. God (if you believe the bible) has given you guidelines and that's up to you.

Our laws come from God's laws. The law isn't perfect, many things that are illegal now were legal in the past, were they okay then? Is North Korean law a justifiable case for morality?

So how do you know what is right and wrong?

So, being good to some-one or being bad to someone was not around before the Bible? You're having a laugh!!

I'm not saying that as clearly the Bible was written after the Commandments were given. Remember, you are the one who said you don't know what is right or wrong, even today.

Man first, because man made the law of logic. Before man it mattered not a jot to man.

So now I ask you, did the world exist and not exist at the same time before logic was made? (since the law of non contradiction was man made)

Phew, this could go on for ever.

I don't have the will to keep answering you as everything contradicts itself, like god being all forgiving??
Hence to say, when I die I do not want everlasting life in a place they call heaven, it seems so boring, it would be hell to me.
Be good.

Religion = hate, war and so on, who made this bullshit religion word up to start with anyway, whoever it was wanted shooting before it was even thought of, how can anybody justify some geezer dressed as a tramp riding the local UFO in the sky as his taxi service ffs, you must be bonkers to even think this.

I don't think anyone thinks that to be honest!

You do because you believe in it

People say Religion is the Biggest Killer on the Planet, i can understand why they say this.

Two most deadliest wars in the history of mankind in the last century had nothing to do with religion.

Well lets put this myth to bed.
Hitler was a Roman Catholic, and even if he wasn't (which he was), his foot soldiers were. The soldiers who committed the atrocities of WW2 were either Catholics or Lutherans. The Catholics and Lutherans of Europe had been schooled for many centuries to hate Jews. They had been trained to believe that Jews were responsible for killing Jesus. So Hitler had a ripe field to plough in the Christian heritage of Germany.

The church is against abortion.
But recognises that those who are aborted are allowed into heaven.

So although its out of context but you could say if we abort our children then we guarantee their entry into heaven.

Craig 3:16 says "shut it you muppets!!!!"

So it shall be done.

Thank you MJW6150. You have given an excellent defence of Christianity. As always the difficulty is that most people are literally ignaramus's regarding the Word of God but have an opinion anyway. They don't know what they are talking about but they say it anyway.
Have you noticed it's always the same old stuff they spew out and yet they seem to think that they are saying something nobody else has come up with.
In a serious discussion and debate their positions would be destroyed within minutes by the person who actually knows what the bible says. Good for you brother.
"God so loved the world that he gave his one and only son so that whoever believes in him would not perish but have everlasting life" JOhn 3:16

But wasn't the Bible actually written by man and not god?

Also it's my understanding that a council in Nicea made up of Bishops decided which books went into the Bible and which were left out.

If this is correct I do struggle to understand how the Bible can be called "the word of God" when it is clearly an amalgamation of writings written by various Men!

Craig 3:16 says "shut it you muppets!!!!"

So it shall be done.

Bow before your new God people.

Thank you MJW6150. You have given an excellent defence of Christianity. ????? As always the difficulty is that most people are literally ignaramus's regarding the Word of God but have an opinion anyway. They don't know what they are talking about but they say it anyway.
Have you noticed it's always the same old stuff they spew out and yet they seem to think that they are saying something nobody else has come up with.

Not like the christians then eh?

That works both ways.

Thank you MJW6150. You have given an excellent defence of Christianity. As always the difficulty is that most people are literally ignaramus's regarding the Word of God but have an opinion anyway. They don't know what they are talking about but they say it anyway.
Have you noticed it's always the same old stuff they spew out and yet they seem to think that they are saying something nobody else has come up with.
In a serious discussion and debate their positions would be destroyed within minutes by the person who actually knows what the bible says. Good for you brother.
"God so loved the world that he gave his one and only son so that whoever believes in him would not perish but have everlasting life" JOhn 3:16

But wasn't the Bible actually written by man and not god?

Also it's my understanding that a council in Nicea made up of Bishops decided which books went into the Bible and which were left out.

If this is correct I do struggle to understand how the Bible can be called "the word of God" when it is clearly an amalgamation of writings written by various Men!

Correct, full of man's (various) interpretation (over thousands of years) who had very little little knowledge of the sciences.

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It's all true!

It's all true!

Be afraid! Be very afraid!

Thank you MJW6150. You have given an excellent defence of Christianity. As always the difficulty is that most people are literally ignaramus's regarding the Word of God but have an opinion anyway. They don't know what they are talking about but they say it anyway.
Have you noticed it's always the same old stuff they spew out and yet they seem to think that they are saying something nobody else has come up with.
In a serious discussion and debate their positions would be destroyed within minutes by the person who actually knows what the bible says. Good for you brother.
"God so loved the world that he gave his one and only son so that whoever believes in him would not perish but have everlasting life" JOhn 3:16

But wasn't the Bible actually written by man and not god?

Also it's my understanding that a council in Nicea made up of Bishops decided which books went into the Bible and which were left out.

If this is correct I do struggle to understand how the Bible can be called "the word of God" when it is clearly an amalgamation of writings written by various Men!

Correct, full of man's (various) interpretation (over thousands of years) who had very little little knowledge of the sciences.

Illogical response both of you. If someone can make the leap that Jesus was resurrected from the dead, God parted the Red Sea, created the world, etc... how hard would it be to believe in divine inspiration?
Fun facts as well, there have been many attempts to discredit the Bible's historical accuracy. Most historians who disbelieved in the Bible pointed to the Hittite empire as a mythic society, until archaeologist actually found the Hittite empires remains using the Bible as a guide for location.

You say God damned millions of people. How do we know that? As far as I know none of us know exactly the results of judgement?