Coventry Deduction

You didn't answer my question about how much CCFC paid Cardiff Council for the land the stadium and the house of sport is on.

No idea.

Convenient.

The point being you sit there and criticise us for having a good relationship with the council despite the fact we pay everything we are obliged to, while Cardiff Council gifted you land that was worth many millions of pounds (as proven by the sale of the land for the House of Sport), to the detriment of the Cardiff Council tax payer.

Hypocrisy to say the least.

It seems Bakedalasker has decided to bow out at this point

Spent a decent amount but we payed it.

You didn't answer my question about how much CCFC paid Cardiff Council for the land the stadium and the house of sport is on.

No idea.

Convenient.

The point being you sit there and criticise us for having a good relationship with the council despite the fact we pay everything we are obliged to, while Cardiff Council gifted you land that was worth many millions of pounds (as proven by the sale of the land for the House of Sport), to the detriment of the Cardiff Council tax payer.

Hypocrisy to say the least.

It seems Bakedalasker has decided to bow out at this point

Spent a decent amount but we payed it.

How much?

Anyone disagree that without our Malaysian backers we would have been in exactly the same position (or perhaps worse!)

You're spot on^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

You didn't answer my question about how much CCFC paid Cardiff Council for the land the stadium and the house of sport is on.

No idea.

Convenient.

The point being you sit there and criticise us for having a good relationship with the council despite the fact we pay everything we are obliged to, while Cardiff Council gifted you land that was worth many millions of pounds (as proven by the sale of the land for the House of Sport), to the detriment of the Cardiff Council tax payer.

Hypocrisy to say the least.

It seems Bakedalasker has decided to bow out at this point

Spent a decent amount but we payed it.

How much?

23 million.

23 million.

You paid £23m for the land the stadium and House of sport is built on?

I assume you have a link that backs this up?

Of course not, they wouldn't share information like that all over the internet.

CCFC asked me to donate 3 million towards the 20 million they already had which I done.

Of course not, they wouldn't share information like that all over the internet.

CCFC asked me to donate 3 million towards the 20 million they already had which I done.

So in an unexpected twist, you were talking rubbish then.

Shocking

Still no word from Bakedalasker

I just told you the truth.

Why does it concern you so much?

I just told you the truth.

Why does it concern you so much?

Of course you did

Why does the amount we pay towards the Liberty Stadium concern your lot so much?

I just told you the truth.

Why does it concern you so much?

Of course you did

Why does the amount we pay towards the Liberty Stadium concern your lot so much?

They was just asking.

And I did pay 3 million?

You didn't answer my question about how much CCFC paid Cardiff Council for the land the stadium and the house of sport is on.

No idea.

Convenient.

The point being you sit there and criticise us for having a good relationship with the council despite the fact we pay everything we are obliged to, while Cardiff Council gifted you land that was worth many millions of pounds (as proven by the sale of the land for the House of Sport), to the detriment of the Cardiff Council tax payer.

Hypocrisy to say the least.

It seems Bakedalasker has decided to bow out at this point

I had other things to do, you don't mind that do you.

Right, the land was given because the deal was that the club would attract other businesses to the area. Sam Hamman the chairman at the time could only impress 3 serious business opportunities. Along came Ridsdale and with the help of PMG attracted a lot more businesses. Those businesses being what you see across the parkway if you ever go to CCS.

So to say the council gifted us the land is bollocks. With the new businesses in place the council gain millions in business rates and that is down to our club. So to say this is detrimental to the Cardiff City council payer is even more bollocks when you consider these businesses are providing jobs and a very healthy income stream to the local council that serve its people.

So everyone is happy in the capital but the same cannot be said for the council who own the Liberty. Why because you did not pay your rent for years. If I could be arsed I would find the link where the council were looking at taking legal action. What was the defence, a slippery concourse? Good relationship yet they were going to take you to court.

You have got a cheek to call us hypocrits.

NJ73 got owned.

You didn't answer my question about how much CCFC paid Cardiff Council for the land the stadium and the house of sport is on.

No idea.

Convenient.

The point being you sit there and criticise us for having a good relationship with the council despite the fact we pay everything we are obliged to, while Cardiff Council gifted you land that was worth many millions of pounds (as proven by the sale of the land for the House of Sport), to the detriment of the Cardiff Council tax payer.

Hypocrisy to say the least.

It seems Bakedalasker has decided to bow out at this point

I had other things to do, you don't mind that do you.

Right, the land was given because the deal was that the club would attract other businesses to the area. Sam Hamman the chairman at the time could only impress 3 serious business opportunities. Along came Ridsdale and with the help of PMG attracted a lot more businesses. Those businesses being what you see across the parkway if you ever go to CCS.

So to say the council gifted us the land is bollocks. With the new businesses in place the council gain millions in business rates and that is down to our club. So to say this is detrimental to the Cardiff City council payer is even more bollocks when you consider these businesses are providing jobs and a very healthy income stream to the local council that serve its people.

So everyone is happy in the capital but the same cannot be said for the council who own the Liberty. Why because you did not pay your rent for years. If I could be arsed I would find the link where the council were looking at taking legal action. What was the defence, a slippery concourse? Good relationship yet they were going to take you to court.

You have got a cheek to call us hypocrits.

If the land was given to you as you just stated it was gifted. That is not a difficult concept.

Your council gave you free land to build a stadium, a house of sport (which you then sold unbuilt for several million to help pay debts), and a retail park. By your own admission, the only thing the council get out of this is business rates.

On the other hand, our council sell land for a retail park which brings in Business rates. The sale of this land funds the build of a community owned stadium for which the upkeep is paid for wholly by the two clubs that play there while they retain the value of the stadium in their accounts.

Yep, hypocrites.

As for the rent myth, it's just that.

You didn't answer my question about how much CCFC paid Cardiff Council for the land the stadium and the house of sport is on.

No idea.

Convenient.

The point being you sit there and criticise us for having a good relationship with the council despite the fact we pay everything we are obliged to, while Cardiff Council gifted you land that was worth many millions of pounds (as proven by the sale of the land for the House of Sport), to the detriment of the Cardiff Council tax payer.

Hypocrisy to say the least.

It seems Bakedalasker has decided to bow out at this point

I had other things to do, you don't mind that do you.

Right, the land was given because the deal was that the club would attract other businesses to the area. Sam Hamman the chairman at the time could only impress 3 serious business opportunities. Along came Ridsdale and with the help of PMG attracted a lot more businesses. Those businesses being what you see across the parkway if you ever go to CCS.

So to say the council gifted us the land is bollocks. With the new businesses in place the council gain millions in business rates and that is down to our club. So to say this is detrimental to the Cardiff City council payer is even more bollocks when you consider these businesses are providing jobs and a very healthy income stream to the local council that serve its people.

So everyone is happy in the capital but the same cannot be said for the council who own the Liberty. Why because you did not pay your rent for years. If I could be arsed I would find the link where the council were looking at taking legal action. What was the defence, a slippery concourse? Good relationship yet they were going to take you to court.

You have got a cheek to call us hypocrits.

If the land was given to you as you just stated it was gifted. That is not a difficult concept.

Your council gave you free land to build a stadium, a house of sport (which you then sold unbuilt for several million to help pay debts), and a retail park. By your own admission, the only thing the council get out of this is business rates. I'm sure every other company in the City would have loved the same deal.

On the other hand, our council sell land for a retail park which brings in Business rates. The sale of this land funds the build of a community owned stadium for which the upkeep is paid for wholly by the two clubs that play there while they retain the value of the stadium in their accounts.

Yep, hypocrites.

As for the rent myth, it's just that.

Like it or not that was the deal. If the club had not attracted any other businesses the stadium would have not gone ahead.

Your rent is not a myth:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-sout ... s-14392589

Very very sad and Swansea City refuse to comment.

Convenient.

The point being you sit there and criticise us for having a good relationship with the council despite the fact we pay everything we are obliged to, while Cardiff Council gifted you land that was worth many millions of pounds (as proven by the sale of the land for the House of Sport), to the detriment of the Cardiff Council tax payer.

Hypocrisy to say the least.[/quote]

Ignoring my comment on me paying 3 million? I am correct.
It seems Bakedalasker has decided to bow out at this point [/quote]

I had other things to do, you don't mind that do you.

Right, the land was given because the deal was that the club would attract other businesses to the area. Sam Hamman the chairman at the time could only impress 3 serious business opportunities. Along came Ridsdale and with the help of PMG attracted a lot more businesses. Those businesses being what you see across the parkway if you ever go to CCS.

So to say the council gifted us the land is bollocks. With the new businesses in place the council gain millions in business rates and that is down to our club. So to say this is detrimental to the Cardiff City council payer is even more bollocks when you consider these businesses are providing jobs and a very healthy income stream to the local council that serve its people.

So everyone is happy in the capital but the same cannot be said for the council who own the Liberty. Why because you did not pay your rent for years. If I could be arsed I would find the link where the council were looking at taking legal action. What was the defence, a slippery concourse? Good relationship yet they were going to take you to court.

You have got a cheek to call us hypocrits.[/quote]

If the land was given to you as you just stated it was gifted. That is not a difficult concept.

Your council gave you free land to build a stadium, a house of sport (which you then sold unbuilt for several million to help pay debts), and a retail park. By your own admission, the only thing the council get out of this is business rates. I'm sure every other company in the City would have loved the same deal.

On the other hand, our council sell land for a retail park which brings in Business rates. The sale of this land funds the build of a community owned stadium for which the upkeep is paid for wholly by the two clubs that play there while they retain the value of the stadium in their accounts.

Yep, hypocrites.

As for the rent myth, it's just that.[/quote][/quote]

Ignoring the fact I paid 3 million? Can't accept the truth?

Like it or not that was the deal. If the club had not attracted any other businesses the stadium would have not gone ahead.

Your rent is not a myth:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-sout ... s-14392589

Very very sad and Swansea City refuse to comment.

I think you'll find as I stated previously we have paid every penny of "rent" we are contractually obliged to pay. Can you highlight in that article where it says as you claim "you did not pay your rent for years" as opposed to an opposition politician trying to score political points by claiming more should be paid?

The floor is yours on that.

As for "Like it or not that was the deal. If the club had not attracted any other businesses the stadium would have not gone ahead." in regards to CCFC, you have failed to explain how that is a better deal for Cardiff Council tax payers than them selling the retail land and using that money to fund the build of the stadium that would then be on their books.

The floor is your on that as well.

You didn't pay rent for years. The article proves that:

"Swansea City moved to the £27m Liberty Stadium in 2005 after the council paid most of the money to build it.

The new Premier League club pay a peppercorn rent to a loss-making management company running the stadium but the council has received nothing."

Moved in there in 2005 and this article is dated 2011 (although it has been updated). Thats proof enough to say you had not paid your rent for years.

Regarding the Cardiff council tax payer they will be gaining millions in business rates for many a year to come. I think that is enough to make it a good deal.

Ignoring the fact I paid 3 million? Can't accept the truth?

Dando you on the pop?

Ignoring the fact I paid 3 million? Can't accept the truth?

Dando you on the pop?

Apple and Blackcurrant squash bakes, always nice to have a glass around this time.

Ignoring the fact I paid 3 million? Can't accept the truth?

Dando you on the pop?

Apple and Blackcurrant squash bakes, always nice to have a glass around this time.

Sounds good to me.

Going to content myself with some toast and milk, my favourite before going to bed.

You didn't pay rent for years. The article proves that:

"Swansea City moved to the £27m Liberty Stadium in 2005 after the council paid most of the money to build it.

The new Premier League club pay a peppercorn rent to a loss-making management company running the stadium but the council has received nothing."

Moved in there in 2005 and this article is dated 2011 (although it has been updated). Thats proof enough to say you had not paid your rent for years.

Regarding the Cardiff council tax payer they will be gaining millions in business rates for many a year to come. I think that is enough to make it a good deal.

You clearly have no understanding of the payment arrangement that the two clubs have in regards to the stadium.

There is no "rent" payable. Funds are paid to the stadium management company into a sinking fund which is used for the upkeep of the stadium which as time goes on is a far better deal for the Council than the two clubs involved. So yes, we haven't paid rent for years because rent is not part of the agreement.

As for "Regarding the Cardiff council tax payer they will be gaining millions in business rates for many a year to come. I think that is enough to make it a good deal."

The business rates theory also applies to the retail park next to the Liberty Stadium. so you have still failed to explain how having the stadium on the books of CCFC rather than the council is better for council tax payers.

Ignoring the fact I paid 3 million? Can't accept the truth?

Dando you on the pop?

Apple and Blackcurrant squash bakes, always nice to have a glass around this time.

Sounds good to me.

Going to content myself with some toast and milk, my favourite before going to bed.

I tempt myself with toast before bed.

rent over stadiums in this moment in time is a silly argument you need to look at the bigger picture,

compare coventry and swansea, coventry league 1, swansea premier league. The aim for Coventry was to be in the premier league, I have no doubt with this in mind Coventry City council had patience while this plan came to fruition, which didnt happen and have lost patience and have called in their rent. Swansea whilst being in the premier league the council will make more money, from other sources as they have the premier league status, the rent is not worth chasing you dont want to upset the big boys, if/when swansea are relegated and dont look like attaining premier league status, then watch swansea council put the pressure on for rent and drive the club into administration. Beware the landlord.

This is very sad to see

This thread is very surreal.

"Sad to see" " should never happen" etc etc etc

Most of you are backing a regime that is paying 120% of our yearly income on wages alone. Willing and celebrating signings like frazier campbell who is paid 30k plus over 3 and a half years when we cannot afford to pay our current wage bill without loans. We are £100m in debt and will be amongst the favourites for relegation next year.

As mentioned in this thread, relegation from the prem carrying such debts is catosprophic yet people seem completely oblivious to make that link with their own club..... Us. We are ENTERING the Prem carrying these debts over our head already! Not only that but player contracts spanning longer than if we were relegated meaning our wage bill would not decrease if relegation happened.

We have 22,000 gates which is small in comparison to the outgoings we have.

The amount of people saying Coventrys plight is "sad to see" yet are backing the regime currently doing the same thing to our club is unfathomable in terms of pure hypocrisy and stupidity.

You didn't answer my question about how much CCFC paid Cardiff Council for the land the stadium and the house of sport is on.

No idea.

Convenient.

The point being you sit there and criticise us for having a good relationship with the council despite the fact we pay everything we are obliged to, while Cardiff Council gifted you land that was worth many millions of pounds (as proven by the sale of the land for the House of Sport), to the detriment of the Cardiff Council tax payer.

Hypocrisy to say the least.

It seems Bakedalasker has decided to bow out at this point

The land was originally owned by Ccfc and was sold by Clemo to the council for 50 k in late 80s. It was a ridiculous amount as the site was hundreds of acres and worth far more even then. The council then built an athletics track and astro turf pitches and got all car parking money from the club.

The club paid a nominal fee to get it back and the club had to pay several million to improve the road system in the area. The city of Cardiff has benefitted from the CCS with the huge number of jobs on the retail park and also the amount of people it brings to the city. The liberty has only been if benefit to Swansea since they got into premier league.

One day swanseas financial immorrals of the past will come back and bite them on the arse. What goes around and all that....

This thread is very surreal.

"Sad to see" " should never happen" etc etc etc

Most of you are backing a regime that is paying 120% of our yearly income on wages alone. Willing and celebrating signings like frazier campbell who is paid 30k plus over 3 and a half years when we cannot afford to pay our current wage bill without loans. We are £100m in debt and will be amongst the favourites for relegation next year.

As mentioned in this thread, relegation from the prem carrying such debts is catosprophic yet people seem completely oblivious to make that link with their own club..... Us. We are ENTERING the Prem carrying these debts over our head already! Not only that but player contracts spanning longer than if we were relegated meaning our wage bill would not decrease if relegation happened.

We have 22,000 gates which is small in comparison to the outgoings we have.

The amount of people saying Coventrys plight is "sad to see" yet are backing the regime currently doing the same thing to our club is unfathomable in terms of pure hypocrisy and stupidity.

In true Jack fashion highlighting the negatives of Cardiff.

And what happens if the debt is turned to equity?

The prem money will cover the wages!

And there are the other income streams in Tans vision.

Bringing all that into the equation and your statements are nullified.

This thread is very surreal.

"Sad to see" " should never happen" etc etc etc

Most of you are backing a regime that is paying 120% of our yearly income on wages alone. Willing and celebrating signings like frazier campbell who is paid 30k plus over 3 and a half years when we cannot afford to pay our current wage bill without loans. We are £100m in debt and will be amongst the favourites for relegation next year.

As mentioned in this thread, relegation from the prem carrying such debts is catosprophic yet people seem completely oblivious to make that link with their own club..... Us. We are ENTERING the Prem carrying these debts over our head already! Not only that but player contracts spanning longer than if we were relegated meaning our wage bill would not decrease if relegation happened.

We have 22,000 gates which is small in comparison to the outgoings we have.

The amount of people saying Coventrys plight is "sad to see" yet are backing the regime currently doing the same thing to our club is unfathomable in terms of pure hypocrisy and stupidity.

In true Jack fashion highlighting the negatives of Cardiff.

And what happens if the debt is turned to equity?

The prem money will cover the wages!

And there are the other income streams in Tans vision.

Bringing all that into the equation and your statements are nullified.

Nothing to do with negativity, it's reality. We have £100m debt, this is fact. We are at around 120% of wage expenditure in relation to yearly income, this is fact. We need loans just to cover wages let alone other costs like transfer fees and day to day running of the club.

Yes if the debt is turned to equity then this won't be an issue, but the fact is it makes no sense to do so and has showed no sign of doing so. Until that happens we can only deal with whats in front of us.

So the fact of the matter is, those who say whats happened at Coventry is terrible and continuing to back what Tan is doing are ignorant in the extreme regarding the clubs welfare at this point.

Burying your head under "tans vision" is akin to a Christian responding with "god works in mysterious ways" when faced with an awkward question.... It doesn't wash.

This thread is very surreal.

"Sad to see" " should never happen" etc etc etc

Most of you are backing a regime that is paying 120% of our yearly income on wages alone. Willing and celebrating signings like frazier campbell who is paid 30k plus over 3 and a half years when we cannot afford to pay our current wage bill without loans. We are £100m in debt and will be amongst the favourites for relegation next year.

As mentioned in this thread, relegation from the prem carrying such debts is catosprophic yet people seem completely oblivious to make that link with their own club..... Us. We are ENTERING the Prem carrying these debts over our head already! Not only that but player contracts spanning longer than if we were relegated meaning our wage bill would not decrease if relegation happened.

We have 22,000 gates which is small in comparison to the outgoings we have.

The amount of people saying Coventrys plight is "sad to see" yet are backing the regime currently doing the same thing to our club is unfathomable in terms of pure hypocrisy and stupidity.

In true Jack fashion highlighting the negatives of Cardiff.

And what happens if the debt is turned to equity?

The prem money will cover the wages!

And there are the other income streams in Tans vision.

Bringing all that into the equation and your statements are nullified.

Nothing to do with negativity, it's reality. We have £100m debt, this is fact. We are at around 120% of wage expenditure in relation to yearly income, this is fact. We need loans just to cover wages let alone other costs like transfer fees and day to day running of the club.

Yes if the debt is turned to equity then this won't be an issue, but the fact is it makes no sense to do so and has showed no sign of doing so. Until that happens we can only deal with whats in front of us.

So the fact of the matter is, those who say whats happened at Coventry is terrible and continuing to back what Tan is doing are ignorant in the extreme regarding the clubs welfare at this point.

Burying your head under "tans vision" is akin to a Christian responding with "god works in mysterious ways" when faced with an awkward question.... It doesn't wash.

Roath Magic alert.

Please can this troll be banned