OK Coleman POLL

What qualifications or previous achievements suggest that Cookie is good enough?

The FAW are f*cking idiots who appointed Tosh for a second time after he quit after one game, then they persevere with him despite bad result after bad result. Now it's Cookies chance to prove the men in charge are f*cking hopeless.

He is a cheap manager for them to pay, with no concern about results. The FAW have sat back and watched Wales as a national side drop and drop and drop down the ranks, and try have done f**k all to sort it out.

Nothing personal against Cookie, always liked him.
But as a manager ? No thank you. Proves it again tonight.

A damn site more impressive CV than Speed and Dutch ray put together.

He has succeeded everywhere he's been apart from Coventry.

Fulham - sacked
Real sociadad - quit
Coventry - sacked
Larissa - quit
Wales - god help us if you deem the above successful.

Di matteo got sacked after winning the champions league. Does that mean as a result he wasn't successful?

Do you want me to give a brief synopsis of each spell in charge?

What has Roberto Di Matteo got to do with this subject?

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Co ... footballer)#section_3

What qualifications or previous achievements suggest that Cookie is good enough?

The FAW are f*cking idiots who appointed Tosh for a second time after he quit after one game, then they persevere with him despite bad result after bad result. Now it's Cookies chance to prove the men in charge are f*cking hopeless.

He is a cheap manager for them to pay, with no concern about results. The FAW have sat back and watched Wales as a national side drop and drop and drop down the ranks, and try have done f**k all to sort it out.

Nothing personal against Cookie, always liked him.
But as a manager ? No thank you. Proves it again tonight.

A damn site more impressive CV than Speed and Dutch ray put together.

He has succeeded everywhere he's been apart from Coventry.

Fulham - sacked
Real sociadad - quit
Coventry - sacked
Larissa - quit
Wales - god help us if you deem the above successful.

Di matteo got sacked after winning the champions league. Does that mean as a result he wasn't successful?

Do you want me to give a brief synopsis of each spell in charge?

What has Roberto Di Matteo got to do with this subject?

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Co ... footballer)#section_3

He is a case in point that just because a manager is sacked doesn't mean their time wasn't successful as I showed you in my previous post.

I'll support him, but I still don't think he'll get us far.

Jez there are tons of managers you could use as a reference in that aspect but it doesn't change the fact the FAW will not front up the cash to go and get a quality coaching team and use what talent we have to the best of its ability.


Ranieri,Mourinhio,Scholari, AVB can all back up your claims about Bobby Di mat..

Ironically all at chelski and Roman.

Jez there are tons of managers you could use as a reference in that aspect but it doesn't change the fact the FAW will not front up the cash to go and get a quality coaching team and use what talent we have to the best of its ability.


Ranieri,Mourinhio,Scholari, AVB can all back up your claims about Bobby Di mat..

Ironically all at chelski and Roman.

I'm not sure if you missed my post on the last page but it tells you all you need to know about is time at his clubs. He guided Fulham to a top 10 finish when they were favourites to go down, al fayed sold all their players and he still kept them up but was then sacked.

In Sociadad he was unbeaten in his previous 11 games and sat 5th in La Liga before he resigned for a disagreement with their new president.

He didnt manage to turn Coventrys fortunes around so accept that wasn't a good spell.

He then went to Greece where he lost 1 game in 14 conceding 3 and scoring 16. He resigned over a financial dispute which then lead to road blocks and protests due to his popularity.

Anyone saying he has anything other than a good managerial history is just clueless to be honest, or at least ignorant in the extreme.

Honestly your so blinded by trying to get your point across.
Sacked.Quit.Sacked.Quit. Pattern developing maybe?

I know what he did here and there but I'm sorry there is nothing in his CV that stand out to me suggesting he has the tools to be a successful international manager.

He is still young and learning the tactics of the game from a managerial perspective. That is NOT what we need.
What we need is an Experienced manager who knows how to handle young potential and bring them together as a unit.

Honestly your so blinded by trying to get your point across.
Sacked.Quit.Sacked.Quit. Pattern developing maybe?

I know what he did here and there but I'm sorry there is nothing in his CV that stand out to me suggesting he has the tools to be a successful international manager.

He is still young and learning the tactics of the game from a managerial perspective. That is NOT what we need.
What we need is an Experienced manager who knows how to handle young potential and bring them together as a unit.

So finishing 9th in a team favourite for relegation is not a success?

Leaving another club favourite for relegation 5th in la liga is not a success?

Leaving a club top of the league that lost 1 in 14 matches is not a success?

I can't believe someone is ignorant enough to make a decision on a manager by the words "sacked" or "quit" ignoring anything that happened prior. Amazing in fact.

Honestly your so blinded by trying to get your point across.
Sacked.Quit.Sacked.Quit. Pattern developing maybe?

I know what he did here and there but I'm sorry there is nothing in his CV that stand out to me suggesting he has the tools to be a successful international manager.

He is still young and learning the tactics of the game from a managerial perspective. That is NOT what we need.
What we need is an Experienced manager who knows how to handle young potential and bring them together as a unit.

So finishing 9th in a team favourite for relegation is not a success?

Leaving another club favourite for relegation 5th in la liga is not a success?

Leaving a club top of the league that lost 1 in 14 matches is not a success?


I can't believe someone is ignorant enough to make a decision on a manager by the words "sacked" or "quit" ignoring anything that happened prior. Amazing in fact.

Seriously how many times are you gonna highlight what "amazing achievements" Cookie has done?

Honestly your boring me now.

Honestly your so blinded by trying to get your point across.
Sacked.Quit.Sacked.Quit. Pattern developing maybe?

I know what he did here and there but I'm sorry there is nothing in his CV that stand out to me suggesting he has the tools to be a successful international manager.

He is still young and learning the tactics of the game from a managerial perspective. That is NOT what we need.
What we need is an Experienced manager who knows how to handle young potential and bring them together as a unit.

So finishing 9th in a team favourite for relegation is not a success?

Leaving another club favourite for relegation 5th in la liga is not a success?

Leaving a club top of the league that lost 1 in 14 matches is not a success?


I can't believe someone is ignorant enough to make a decision on a manager by the words "sacked" or "quit" ignoring anything that happened prior. Amazing in fact.

Seriously how many times are you gonna highlight what "amazing achievements" Cookie has done?

Honestly your boring me now.

Whenever you bring up the incredulous fact you think he's poor because he was "sacked" or "quit" while ignoring what he did in each of those spells.

Coleman's tactics cost a result tonight. In fairness, they won him the game in Scotland.

Coleman has to go. No excuses. Should have won tonights game!

Coleman has to go. No excuses. Should have won tonights game!

To say he has to go after losing to one of the top international sides in the manner which we did is rather ridiculous.

Honestly your so blinded by trying to get your point across.
Sacked.Quit.Sacked.Quit. Pattern developing maybe?

I know what he did here and there but I'm sorry there is nothing in his CV that stand out to me suggesting he has the tools to be a successful international manager.

He is still young and learning the tactics of the game from a managerial perspective. That is NOT what we need.
What we need is an Experienced manager who knows how to handle young potential and bring them together as a unit.

So finishing 9th in a team favourite for relegation is not a success?

Leaving another club favourite for relegation 5th in la liga is not a success?

Leaving a club top of the league that lost 1 in 14 matches is not a success?

I can't believe someone is ignorant enough to make a decision on a manager by the words "sacked" or "quit" ignoring anything that happened prior. Amazing in fact.

Seriously how many times are you gonna highlight what "amazing achievements" Cookie has done?

Honestly your boring me now.

Whenever you bring up the incredulous fact you think he's poor because he was "sacked" or "quit" while ignoring what he did in each of those spells.

I think he is poor, because that is MY OPINION. Like him but not as a manager.
I am not ignoring the points you have made, infancy if you take you rage blinkers off you will see my response when you mention Di Matteo. What did all the managers I mention do in their careers?
A lot more Than Robbie.

Cookie is not a manager that is going to take us to the next level.

And to be fair, whilst the FAW keep the purse strings right, I don't know who will.

Honestly your so blinded by trying to get your point across.
Sacked.Quit.Sacked.Quit. Pattern developing maybe?

I know what he did here and there but I'm sorry there is nothing in his CV that stand out to me suggesting he has the tools to be a successful international manager.

He is still young and learning the tactics of the game from a managerial perspective. That is NOT what we need.
What we need is an Experienced manager who knows how to handle young potential and bring them together as a unit.

So finishing 9th in a team favourite for relegation is not a success?

Leaving another club favourite for relegation 5th in la liga is not a success?

Leaving a club top of the league that lost 1 in 14 matches is not a success?

I can't believe someone is ignorant enough to make a decision on a manager by the words "sacked" or "quit" ignoring anything that happened prior. Amazing in fact.

Seriously how many times are you gonna highlight what "amazing achievements" Cookie has done?

Honestly your boring me now.

Whenever you bring up the incredulous fact you think he's poor because he was "sacked" or "quit" while ignoring what he did in each of those spells.

I think he is poor, because that is MY OPINION. Like him but not as a manager.
I am not ignoring the points you have made, infancy if you take you rage blinkers off you will see my response when you mention Di Matteo. What did all the managers I mention do in their careers?
A lot more Than Robbie.

Cookie is not a manager that is going to take us to the next level.

And to be fair, whilst the FAW keep the purse strings right, I don't know who will.

But that's not what you said was it? You said you think he's poor because he got sacked from Fulham (ignoring what he did there), and quit Larissa and Sociadad (ignoring his obvious successes there).

If you kept it as "I think he's not good because its my opinion" then that's fair enough - although his record would go some way to showing your opinion may be flawed.

Nooooo what I said was Dutch Ray deserved a chance to finish the job him and Gary started.

You bought his record into it where I then pointed out his record sacked,quit. Etc...

Nooooo what I said was Dutch Ray deserved a chance to finish the job him and Gary started.

You bought his record into it where I then pointed out his record sacked,quit. Etc...

Dutch ray deserved nothing of the sort. He lied on his CV to get the Wales job, acted unprofessionally throughout, has no management experience what so ever and the last time I checked didnt even have e sufficient qualifications to manage an international side.

As pointed out, the fact Coleman was sacked from Fulham and resigned from Sociadad and Larissa represents nothing of the success he had at each of those clubs.

Back to square one...

"WHAT DO YOU SEE ON COOKIES CV THAT MAKES YOU THINK HE CAN BE A SUCCESS FOR A NATIONAL MANAGER?"

Honestly mun, no quotes or stats just your opinion...

To be honest now the only thread put up tonight blaming cookie is the only welsh thread you haven't defended him on.

Back to square one...

"WHAT DO YOU SEE ON COOKIES CV THAT MAKES YOU THINK HE CAN BE A SUCCESS FOR A NATIONAL MANAGER?"

Honestly mun, no quotes or stats just your opinion...

To be honest now the only thread put up tonight blaming cookie is the only welsh thread you haven't defended him on.

So you want to know what on his CV makes him be a good manager yet you don't want me to use stats or explain my reasoning in any way?

Fulham - favourites for relegation - he guided them to 9th place finish. Next season Fayed sells all their stars and he still keeps them in the Prem - then fayed sacks him.

Sociadad - favourites to go down again yet he steers them to 5th in La Liga and only losing 1 of his previous 11 before a dispute with the new president forces him to resign.

Coventry - couldn't turn them around and could be deemed as a failed move.

Larissa - leads em to top of the league only losing 1 in 14 only conceding 3 and scoring 16 but a dispute of finances led him to resign which led to riots and road blocks due to his popularity.


I don't understand what you don't get? Because he didnt win the league with Fulham? Didnt win La Liga with Sociadad?

Simple question.

State your opinion why YOU think he will be a success?

Without mention stats.

And your opinion is;

"So you want to know what on his CV makes him be a good manager yet you don't want me to use stats or explain my reasoning in any way?

Fulham - favourites for relegation - he guided them to 9th place finish. Next season Fayed sells all their stars and he still keeps them in the Prem - then fayed sacks him.

Sociadad - favourites to go down again yet he steers them to 5th in La Liga and only losing 1 of his previous 11 before a dispute with the new president forces him to resign.

Coventry - couldn't turn them around and could be deemed as a failed move.

Larissa - leads em to top of the league only losing 1 in 14 only conceding 3 and scoring 16 but a dispute of finances led him to resign which led to riots and road blocks due to his popularity.


I don't understand what you don't get? Because he didnt win the league with Fulham? Didnt win La Liga with Sociadad?"




But I don't get it...

Simple question.

State your opinion why YOU think he will be a success?

Without mention stats.

And your opinion is;

"So you want to know what on his CV makes him be a good manager yet you don't want me to use stats or explain my reasoning in any way?

Fulham - favourites for relegation - he guided them to 9th place finish. Next season Fayed sells all their stars and he still keeps them in the Prem - then fayed sacks him.

Sociadad - favourites to go down again yet he steers them to 5th in La Liga and only losing 1 of his previous 11 before a dispute with the new president forces him to resign.

Coventry - couldn't turn them around and could be deemed as a failed move.

Larissa - leads em to top of the league only losing 1 in 14 only conceding 3 and scoring 16 but a dispute of finances led him to resign which led to riots and road blocks due to his popularity.


I don't understand what you don't get? Because he didnt win the league with Fulham? Didnt win La Liga with Sociadad?"




But I don't get it...

You don't get why finishing 9th for a team favourites for relegation is a success?

You don't get why leaving a club 5th in la liga who are favourites for relegation, losing once in a quarter of a season is not a success?

You don't get why leaving a club top of the league losing only 1 in 14 matches is a success?

Well then I'm not sure what else to say, it's clear you aren't going to see whats in front of your eyes.

FFS Paxman, have I said in prev post "I do not get it?"

How many times are you gonna repeat yourself with them stats?

You have no original opinion and to be honest I'm rather bored of repeating this debate with you now.


I will just leave it at this.

If you owned a large national company and you were recruiting a man to run this company for a long and successful period would you hire a man who in the space of 9 years give or take had been sacked twice and quit his job twice. Irrelevant o the conditions or performance of each indivudual role. Would you consider that man ? HONEST ANSWER PLEASE.

FFS Paxman, have I said in prev post "I do not get it?"

How many times are you gonna repeat yourself with them stats?

You have no original opinion and to be honest I'm rather bored of repeating this debate with you now.


I will just leave it at this.

If you owned a large national company and you were recruiting a man to run this company for a long and successful period would you hire a man who in the space of 9 years give or take had been sacked twice and quit his job twice. Irrelevant o the conditions or performance of each indivudual role. Would you consider that man ? HONEST ANSWER PLEASE.

What are you failing to understand?

Explain to me why each of those spells highlighted was not a success. As we have already established, quitting or being sacked has no relevance on performance.

I've showed you what he has done at every club and the best retort you have is "I don't understand".

If I were to look at a CV I wouldn't skip past the achievements to make my decision based on who ended the contract at his previous employers - no.

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I know what he did here and there but I'm sorry there is nothing in his CV that stand out to me suggesting he has the tools to be a successful international manager.

So you wanted the FAW to stump up big bucks and get a big name in to do the job, that big name in your opinion should be................Raymond Verheijen, i'll grant you it contains lots of letters but your thought process doesn't exactly stand up to scrutiny.

FFS Paxman, have I said in prev post "I do not get it?"

How many times are you gonna repeat yourself with them stats?

You have no original opinion and to be honest I'm rather bored of repeating this debate with you now.


I will just leave it at this.

If you owned a large national company and you were recruiting a man to run this company for a long and successful period would you hire a man who in the space of 9 years give or take had been sacked twice and quit his job twice. Irrelevant o the conditions or performance of each indivudual role. Would you consider that man ? HONEST ANSWER PLEASE.

What are you failing to understand?



Explain to me why each of those spells highlighted was not a success. As we have already established, quitting or being sacked has no relevance on performance.

I've showed you what he has done at every club and the best retort you have is "I don't understand".

If I were to look at a CV I wouldn't skip past the achievements to make my decision based on who ended the contract at his previous employers - no.

Simple question mate. Yes..... No...

Based on term stated Yes..... No..

I know what he did here and there but I'm sorry there is nothing in his CV that stand out to me suggesting he has the tools to be a successful international manager.

So you wanted the FAW to stump up big bucks and get a big name in to do the job, that big name in your opinion should be................Raymond Verheijen, i'll grant you it contains lots of letters but your thought process doesn't exactly stand up to scrutiny.

Whom lets not forget, quit his post in his only partial management role in his career.... Which going by AJ's criteria means he was a failure at Wales.

FFS Paxman, have I said in prev post "I do not get it?"

How many times are you gonna repeat yourself with them stats?

You have no original opinion and to be honest I'm rather bored of repeating this debate with you now.


I will just leave it at this.

If you owned a large national company and you were recruiting a man to run this company for a long and successful period would you hire a man who in the space of 9 years give or take had been sacked twice and quit his job twice. Irrelevant o the conditions or performance of each indivudual role. Would you consider that man ? HONEST ANSWER PLEASE.

Id rather hire the guy who has gained that experience in the boardroom than the guy that cleans the windows. I would have been pleased if dutch ray had stayed in the setup but he just saw wales as a leg up and was insulted when the FAW didn't offer him the job so he threw his dummy out.

FFS Paxman, have I said in prev post "I do not get it?"

How many times are you gonna repeat yourself with them stats?

You have no original opinion and to be honest I'm rather bored of repeating this debate with you now.


I will just leave it at this.

If you owned a large national company and you were recruiting a man to run this company for a long and successful period would you hire a man who in the space of 9 years give or take had been sacked twice and quit his job twice. Irrelevant o the conditions or performance of each indivudual role. Would you consider that man ? HONEST ANSWER PLEASE.

What are you failing to understand?



Explain to me why each of those spells highlighted was not a success. As we have already established, quitting or being sacked has no relevance on performance.

I've showed you what he has done at every club and the best retort you have is "I don't understand".

If I were to look at a CV I wouldn't skip past the achievements to make my decision based on who ended the contract at his previous employers - no.

Simple question mate. Yes..... No...

Based on term stated Yes..... No..

It's a stupid question devoid of any point what so ever.

I wouldnt employ anyone that handed a CV in like that because his CV is incomplete. The point of a CV is to see what the manager in question is capable of not how his reign ended.

You really are losing what little argument you had here. You have gone from saying he's a poor manager because he has a crap record, and now after being proven wrong you are trying to get me to say I wouldn't employ him if I wasn't allowed to look at what he achieved and only looked at him resigning twice and being sacked once.

It's a ridiculous stance you have taken here. You still haven't explained why you feel each spell was not a success, would be a lot easier to see where you are coming from as right now it seems you don't care what was achieved as if he was sacked it was a failure.

Manager Chris Coleman 'gutted' by Wales defeat

Wales boss Chris Coleman was "gutted" by his side's 2-1 World Cup qualifier defeat by Serbia, but says his players were "magnificent".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21945188

Honestly... GUYS I WANTED RAY AND THEN CURRENT STAFF TO FINISH THE JOB THEY STARTED.
My opinion...

NOTHING AGAINTS COOKIE, JUST DON'T THINK HE IS UP TO MANGER ABILITY.
My opinion.

Had Speed been sacked the fair enough change it all..
But given the circumstances I felt it was unjust to stop all the work and start again.
And Ify memory serves me correct some players also felt this way.

Again MY OPINION.

If you don't agree with it then fine but don't attempt to change it.

No