Ashley Williams

Hate him because hes a jack but nothing against him playing for wales he gives his all...

He should not play for Wales as he is not welsh. Grandparents rule is absolute bollox. Parents rule is fine.

Give me a team of welsh players born in swansea over a team of welsh players whose granny was born in flint or newport.

Why is it assumed he'd prefer to play for England? Giggs had the chance to and decided not to, Jon Williams tonight knew he'd have a great chance in the future but decided not to.

Giggs never had the chance to play for England as he had no qualifying criteria.

Very true, Giggs is born in wales. His mother and father were born in wales. As was his mothers parents. His dads parents are from Sierra leone. So it was Wales or Sierra Leone.

He should not play for Wales as he is not welsh. Grandparents rule is absolute bollox. Parents rule is fine.

Give me a team of welsh players born in swansea over a team of welsh players whose granny was born in flint or newport.

But he should qualify for Wales, and is Welsh because by law he does qualify for Welsh citizenship.

If your against him playing for Wales I assume your equally against Myhill, King, Collison, J. Williams, Vokes, Ricketts, Church and Morison playing for Wales?

Obviously I'd prefer it if all our players were born in Wales and if not at least their parents were Welsh. However whilst the rules are as they are, then we must try to get the best players we can like every other country. I will always support players who give their all for Wales and without doubt Williams does that.

I thought Williams was outstanding yesterday in a very good welsh defensive performance. I thought Sam Ricketts alongside Williams bar one mistake for the goal was also very good and I don't have the same fears about him as I do Collins. I must say the full backs were good defensively however they contributed so much to our attacking play. I think Swansea in Ben Davies have found an excellent prospect who will be a mainstay of the Welsh team for a number of years.

Davies is only 19, same for Jon Williams and in those two we've got two very good young players who should be around for a long time. Not sure whether Davies or Taylor will play for Swansea and Wales next season, whether one of them will move to play as a winger or at right back as there's not much between them in terms of ability. I think Taylor's more reliable defensively, but Davies is better at going forward.

IMO We have never seen the best of Ash in a Wales shirt. Although last night was a lot better. The guy has been superb in the PL and is a rock. Shame he hasn't had a player like Gabbidon at his best to play with him. The fact he isnt welsh born is irellevant in the modern world. People move and imo being welsh is as simple as feeling welsh. He sings the anthem with pride and is so proud to captain his country. The english rugby and cricket teams with their resources and player catchment pools have used parent, grand parent and residency rules for years and clearly as a small country we would be stupid not to follow.

Read what i said. Those grandparent rule players and Myhill should never be allowed to play for Wales. Earnshaw was slightly different as he lived in Wales from a young age and regards himself as Welsh.

Last edited by Gareth (Wilts) on Sat Mar 23, 2013 2:27 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Jack/English or not he's a great captain and an honorary Welshman in my eyes.

I agree

Read what i said. Those grandparent rule players and Myhill should never be allowed to play for Wales. Earnshaw was slightly different as he lived in Wales from a young age and regards himself as Welsh.

Well we're only using the rules to give ourselves a chance of success, just like every other nation.

Ashley Williams does consider himself Welsh, that's why he has Welsh Citizenship and is dedicated to his role as the captain of the Welsh National Team.

For me, the captai. Of the country should be Welsh, not English.. But that's just my personal view.

Played well last night, but not his biggest fan.

Read what i said. Those grandparent rule players and Myhill should never be allowed to play for Wales. Earnshaw was slightly different as he lived in Wales from a young age and regards himself as Welsh.

Well we're only using the rules to give ourselves a chance of success, just like every other nation.

Ashley Williams does consider himself Welsh, that's why he has Welsh Citizenship and is dedicated to his role as the captain of the Welsh National Team.

No such thing as Welsh citizenship is there?

You are right in the fact that we are only doing what other countries are doing but in my opinion it is wrong and the rule should be changed.

The most bizarre one ever was Tony Cascarino who represented Eire because of his grandad was Irish. It later turned out that his mum was adopted and therefore no blood relative to the grandfather. Cascarino said in his autobiography: "I didn't qualify for Ireland. I was a fraud. A fake Irishman".

The only thing I have against him is the fact he's a Jack.

When he plays for Wales he's one of us.

Sorry not for me. Ash is as welsh as any one of us in my eyes. And is more than qualified to captain our country.
Take this example and tell me why Giggs is more Welsh?
Giggs
Moved away from wales as a kid, never to return.
Played for english schools has an english accent
Never sang our anthem, never played a friendly during his best years, played 1000 games for an english side and 50 odd for his country. Never played for a welsh club and has done as little as possible for welsh football as a whole considering he's an all time great of british football.
Ash
wanted to play for wales, lives in wales, always makes himself available for wales, plays for a welsh club, sings our anthem, captained a welsh club to PL and a major trophy, raises a lot of money for local good causes and gives 100% to Wales

If being born somewhere is more important than all the rest then someone please explain why?

Sorry not for me. Ash is as welsh as any one of us in my eyes. And is more than qualified to captain our country.
Take this example and tell me why Giggs is more Welsh?
Giggs
Moved away from wales as a kid, never to return.
Played for english schools has an english accent
Never sang our anthem, never played a friendly during his best years, played 1000 games for an english side and 50 odd for his country. Never played for a welsh club and has done as little as possible for welsh football as a whole considering he's an all time great of british football.
Ash
wanted to play for wales, lives in wales, always makes himself available for wales, plays for a welsh club, sings our anthem, captained a welsh club to PL and a major trophy, raises a lot of money for local good causes and gives 100% to Wales

If being born somewhere is more important than all the rest then someone please explain why?

Quote: "If being born somewhere is more important than all the rest then someone please explain why?" (Unquote)

The only realistic argument can be that he wasn't BORN in Wales but FIFA/UEFA have provided a way arouund that, so no discussion to be had any ANY single player who falls under the rules

Opinion on himm as a player id a different thing, though and personally I think he is overrated (and that's not because he is a 'Jack' although it doesn't help

What about the thousands of people who have had to move to other countries to find work and have had children? And the parents have brought them up to be Welsh, born in another country but consider themselves to be as Welsh as you or I, Jack Collinsons father was proud of his Welsh heritage and he ensured that his son chose Wales over the country of his birth which was England.
We would be in the sixth division of world football if it was not for the Anglos, fact.

Jack/English or not he's a great captain and an honorary Welshman in my eyes.

Good defender yes but disagree with this. I can't feel myself feeling proud watching Wales when he is leading out the team before kick off.

He took the easy opition and played for Wales just so he could play international Football becauses he not good enough for England.

The reason we have a player of a different nationality is the reason I am boycotting Wales sadly.

As you've done for the last 25 odd years when Wales have had players who weren't born in Wales playing I assume?

Ashley williams is a very good player who I see as the talisman in the Swansea team as John terry is to Chelsea .
Deserves to be captain and I think the swans will miss him when he moves to another club in the summer

Jack/English or not he's a great captain and an honorary Welshman in my eyes.

Good defender yes but disagree with this. I can't feel myself feeling proud watching Wales when he is leading out the team before kick off.

He took the easy opition and played for Wales just so he could play international Football becauses he not good enough for England.

The reason we have a player of a different nationality is the reason I am boycotting Wales sadly.

As you've done for the last 25 odd years when Wales have had players who weren't born in Wales playing I assume?

Ashley williams is a very good player who I see as the talisman in the Swansea team as John terry is to Chelsea .
Deserves to be captain and I think the swans will miss him when he moves to another club in the summer

Keep hoping eh

Jack/English or not he's a great captain and an honorary Welshman in my eyes.

Good defender yes but disagree with this. I can't feel myself feeling proud watching Wales when he is leading out the team before kick off.

He took the easy opition and played for Wales just so he could play international Football becauses he not good enough for England.

The reason we have a player of a different nationality is the reason I am boycotting Wales sadly.

As you've done for the last 25 odd years when Wales have had players who weren't born in Wales playing I assume?

Ashley williams is a very good player who I see as the talisman in the Swansea team as John terry is to Chelsea .
Deserves to be captain and I think the swans will miss him when he moves to another club in the summer

Keep hoping eh [/quote

You seriously don't think he will attract interest from some of the top six clubs. I think he has had a very good season to date and when you look at the crap Liverpool and arsenal have at centre back I can see a couple of serious offers coming in don't you ?

Jack/English or not he's a great captain and an honorary Welshman in my eyes.

Good defender yes but disagree with this. I can't feel myself feeling proud watching Wales when he is leading out the team before kick off.

He took the easy opition and played for Wales just so he could play international Football becauses he not good enough for England.

The reason we have a player of a different nationality is the reason I am boycotting Wales sadly.

As you've done for the last 25 odd years when Wales have had players who weren't born in Wales playing I assume?

Ashley williams is a very good player who I see as the talisman in the Swansea team as John terry is to Chelsea .
Deserves to be captain and I think the swans will miss him when he moves to another club in the summer

Keep hoping eh [/quote

You seriously don't think he will attract interest from some of the top six clubs. I think he has had a very good season to date and when you look at the crap Liverpool and arsenal have at centre back I can see a couple of serious offers coming in don't you ?

It's possible as he has been outstanding since the day he signed for us. I'm sure he'd be tempted by Arsenal, but not Liverpool though.

Jack/English or not he's a great captain and an honorary Welshman in my eyes.

Good defender yes but disagree with this. I can't feel myself feeling proud watching Wales when he is leading out the team before kick off.

He took the easy opition and played for Wales just so he could play international Football becauses he not good enough for England.

The reason we have a player of a different nationality is the reason I am boycotting Wales sadly.

As you've done for the last 25 odd years when Wales have had players who weren't born in Wales playing I assume?

Ashley williams is a very good player who I see as the talisman in the Swansea team as John terry is to Chelsea .
Deserves to be captain and I think the swans will miss him when he moves to another club in the summer

Keep hoping eh [/quote

You seriously don't think he will attract interest from some of the top six clubs. I think he has had a very good season to date and when you look at the crap Liverpool and arsenal have at centre back I can see a couple of serious offers coming in don't you ?

If williams leaves, swansea will just replace him with some spanish guy thats what they do, they are light years ahead of us in terms of planning transfers in and out.

If he leaves, we'll be able to get £15 million plus for him and it'd give us an opportunity to improve our squad.

His intentions are to stay though, according to his agent.

If he leaves, we'll be able to get £15 million plus for him and it'd give us an opportunity to improve our squad.

His intentions are to stay though, according to his agent.

Think so?

15 million? 6-7 tops in my opinion. He's an excellent player but centre halves aren't going for much at the moment. I think he'll want to stay anyway. It would be excellent for the national side if he stayed in Wales because I feel much of his passion for playing for Wales comes from him living and working here.

15 million? 6-7 tops in my opinion. He's an excellent player but centre halves aren't going for much at the moment. I think he'll want to stay anyway. It would be excellent for the national side if he stayed in Wales because I feel much of his passion for playing for Wales comes from him living and working here.

He's under contract and we are loaded. So he goes either on a figure we agree on or if he has a buyout clause. Simple.

Sorry not for me. Ash is as welsh as any one of us in my eyes. And is more than qualified to captain our country.
Take this example and tell me why Giggs is more Welsh?
Giggs
Moved away from wales as a kid, never to return.
Played for english schools has an english accent
Never sang our anthem, never played a friendly during his best years, played 1000 games for an english side and 50 odd for his country. Never played for a welsh club and has done as little as possible for welsh football as a whole considering he's an all time great of british football.
Ash
wanted to play for wales, lives in wales, always makes himself available for wales, plays for a welsh club, sings our anthem, captained a welsh club to PL and a major trophy, raises a lot of money for local good causes and gives 100% to Wales

If being born somewhere is more important than all the rest then someone please explain why?

Hate to say it but I can't argue with that

Sorry not for me. Ash is as welsh as any one of us in my eyes. And is more than qualified to captain our country.
Take this example and tell me why Giggs is more Welsh?
Giggs
Moved away from wales as a kid, never to return.
Played for english schools has an english accent
Never sang our anthem, never played a friendly during his best years, played 1000 games for an english side and 50 odd for his country. Never played for a welsh club and has done as little as possible for welsh football as a whole considering he's an all time great of british football.
Ash
wanted to play for wales, lives in wales, always makes himself available for wales, plays for a welsh club, sings our anthem, captained a welsh club to PL and a major trophy, raises a lot of money for local good causes and gives 100% to Wales

If being born somewhere is more important than all the rest then someone please explain why?

Hate to say it but I can't argue with that

Nukes, I read somewhere you are born in Bristol. These idiots would have you down as an Englishman. As long as you play for the shirt I couldn't care where you are born.

Sorry not for me. Ash is as welsh as any one of us in my eyes. And is more than qualified to captain our country.
Take this example and tell me why Giggs is more Welsh?
Giggs
Moved away from wales as a kid, never to return.
Played for english schools has an english accent
Never sang our anthem, never played a friendly during his best years, played 1000 games for an english side and 50 odd for his country. Never played for a welsh club and has done as little as possible for welsh football as a whole considering he's an all time great of british football.
Ash
wanted to play for wales, lives in wales, always makes himself available for wales, playays for a welsh club, sings our anthem, captained a welsh club to PL and a major trophy, raises a lot of money for local good causes and gives 100% to Wales

If being born somewhere is more important than all the rest then someone please explain why?

Hate to say it but I can't argue with that

Nukes, I read somewhere you are born in Bristol. These idiots would have you down as an Englishman. As long as you play for the shirt I couldn't care where you are born.

Chief that is Correct. My Dad is Welsh and my Grandparents are Welsh through and through and i got bought up the Welsh Valley way. Welsh was a way of life. I doted on my Grancha who Played for Merthyr and was an excellent Athlete who was asked to represent GB in the Olympics but could not afford to go. He was also a boxer who once sparred with Tommy Farr. But i have always supported Wales and always will do.

If he leaves, we'll be able to get £15 million plus for him and it'd give us an opportunity to improve our squad.

His intentions are to stay though, according to his agent.

£15m
Deluded.

15 million? 6-7 tops in my opinion. He's an excellent player but centre halves aren't going for much at the moment. I think he'll want to stay anyway. It would be excellent for the national side if he stayed in Wales because I feel much of his passion for playing for Wales comes from him living and working here.

There's no way on earth one of the best center backs in the prem will go for £6m

It's widely understood that the bidding starts at £8m, but will probably take an offer of around £10m to prize him away. He's captain of his country, captain of a top 10 premier league club and in his prime.

Doubts he'd choose Liverpool over Swansea as the Swans have European football, the only club I could see him going to is Arsenal but Arsene doesn't tend to splash out often, so whether he would come up with the £10m is another question.

Safest bet is hell stay there.

The grandparents qualification rule should be scrapped imo. A grandchild like Williams will most likely have never lived in the country so why should he be allowed to play for the nation.

I'm all for someone playing for a country if they moved there at a young age like Earnshaw. Someone in that situation had no choice in the matter so therefore should be considered for selection.

If you are born in the country well there is no argument they why you should not play for the nation.

good god you lot have moved the goalposts so much on this topic they're not even in the stadium anymore