FC Cardiff refused the right to join English pyramid system

I dont think it was a case of "Red or Dead" either......

But what I do believe is that, as owner of the club, Tan Sri has the right to market the club as he deems appropriate. Now that may not be to some of our liking but there again none of us pay the bills. Nor do we invest the sort of millions that he has invested.

As far as whether I believe him or not - Well, me personally, I can only go by his previous track record. Berjaya is a major success and he is a likeable person as is Simon Lim.

The people in charge of our club are good people. They have good business brains and they are turning our club from a "local club" to a "Worldwide Brand". Thats a big change and I accept that. It is not to everyones liking but gone are the days where are supporters are solely those who turn up to the stadium.

Our supporters (Or Stakeholders) are now:

1) Those who turn up to the stadium
2) Those, local, who follow the club but for whatever reason cannot get to the stadium
3) Those who follow us on Sky TV (Subscription Services)
4) Those, who next year, will follow us on PayPerView
5) Those, overseas, who buy our products
6) Those in Asia, Europe and the Americas who will want to follow and purchase items from the Cardiff City Brand

We are no longer the local club who played in blue attracting 3000 supporters with a debt and no trophies. We are about to step into the real world of Corporate Business where the rewards are much greater.

Tan Sri has proven success and I am sure that he knows what he is doing.

An aside from this I am grateful to have Tan Sri at our club. It could be worse. 20 miles from where I live is Ewood Park.

None of those things require a change of shirt colour though. Plenty of teams have done just that in blue & continue to do so.

The point is though that it is not our decision.

Here we have a situation where a very succesful businessman believes, based on his experience, that he can increase the wealth and "Global Brand" of Cardiff City by making changes.

He might be right he might be wrong but two things are for sure - I neither have £60m to have my say - nor do I have the experience that he has.

Dont get me wrong I would prefer to play in Blue but I am a realist. Cardiff City is not the club I started supporting in 1973. Stefan Terlezki no longer runs the club and neither does Tony Clemo. We dont have crowds of 3000 anymore. We are a much bigger fish and we are going to grow much bigger. If Tan Sri believes that playing in red will help him market the club in China and Asia generally then I have to accept that he knows what he is doing.

Financially, and on the playing side, he has not done much wrong afterall....

The point is though that it is not our decision.

Here we have a situation where a very succesful businessman believes, based on his experience, that he can increase the wealth and "Global Brand" of Cardiff City by making changes.

He might be right he might be wrong but two things are for sure - I neither have £60m to have my say - nor do I have the experience that he has.

Dont get me wrong I would prefer to play in Blue but I am a realist. Cardiff City is not the club I started supporting in 1973. Stefan Terlezki no longer runs the club and neither does Tony Clemo. We dont have crowds of 3000 anymore. We are a much bigger fish and we are going to grow much bigger. If Tan Sri believes that playing in red will help him market the club in China and Asia generally then I have to accept that he knows what he is doing.

Financially, and on the playing side, he has not done much wrong afterall....

Based on what you have just typed, no-one can argue. Great post.

The point is though that it is not our decision.

Here we have a situation where a very succesful businessman believes, based on his experience, that he can increase the wealth and "Global Brand" of Cardiff City by making changes.

He might be right he might be wrong but two things are for sure - I neither have £60m to have my say - nor do I have the experience that he has.

Dont get me wrong I would prefer to play in Blue but I am a realist. Cardiff City is not the club I started supporting in 1973. Stefan Terlezki no longer runs the club and neither does Tony Clemo. We dont have crowds of 3000 anymore. We are a much bigger fish and we are going to grow much bigger. If Tan Sri believes that playing in red will help him market the club in China and Asia generally then I have to accept that he knows what he is doing.

Financially, and on the playing side, he has not done much wrong afterall....

And what about our traditions?

Support both teams!! One in the welsh FA in blue and the other Cardiff City Football Club!!
Come on stop going on about this as this negativity is booooooooring old news.

The point is though that it is not our decision.

Here we have a situation where a very succesful businessman believes, based on his experience, that he can increase the wealth and "Global Brand" of Cardiff City by making changes.

He might be right he might be wrong but two things are for sure - I neither have £60m to have my say - nor do I have the experience that he has.

Dont get me wrong I would prefer to play in Blue but I am a realist. Cardiff City is not the club I started supporting in 1973. Stefan Terlezki no longer runs the club and neither does Tony Clemo. We dont have crowds of 3000 anymore. We are a much bigger fish and we are going to grow much bigger. If Tan Sri believes that playing in red will help him market the club in China and Asia generally then I have to accept that he knows what he is doing.

Financially, and on the playing side, he has not done much wrong afterall....

It's not your decision about Blackburn's managers, but you say on here that what they are doing is awful.

Well it may not be my decision, but I think what Tan has done to our club is just as bad.

The point is though that it is not our decision.

Here we have a situation where a very succesful businessman believes, based on his experience, that he can increase the wealth and "Global Brand" of Cardiff City by making changes.

He might be right he might be wrong but two things are for sure - I neither have £60m to have my say - nor do I have the experience that he has.

Dont get me wrong I would prefer to play in Blue but I am a realist. Cardiff City is not the club I started supporting in 1973. Stefan Terlezki no longer runs the club and neither does Tony Clemo. We dont have crowds of 3000 anymore. We are a much bigger fish and we are going to grow much bigger. If Tan Sri believes that playing in red will help him market the club in China and Asia generally then I have to accept that he knows what he is doing.

Financially, and on the playing side, he has not done much wrong afterall....

And what about our traditions?

We still have most of them. We are still called Cardiff City. We still won the cup in 1927. We are still called the Bluebirds. We still sing anti-English Songs. We still pat our heads. We still moan about the price of season tickets but buy them anyway. We still hate Swansea. We are still one of the best supported teams in the UK and certainly one of the best away supported.

So we play in red. I didnt start supporting the club because they played in blue. I supported them cos they were called Cardiff.

If we want to talk about tradition well, traditionally, we were crap. Traditionally we were always on the verge of going out of business. Traditionally, we always had directors who could only keep us going and not take us to the next step. Traditionally, the facilities at our stadiums were crap. Traditionally, we always used to get 3000 supporters and only dream of being a Premiership side. Traditionally, we could book a holiday in the 1st week of January as we always knew we would not make it to the 3rd round of the FA Cup.

We will always have a tradition but sometimes that tradition needs to be changed cos, in 50 years time when someone asks the same question, there is now a chance that Tradition will be one of success.

by making a new club is as worse what TAN is doing now.

making a new club with no history, is not right.

in my opinion just keep fighting for our identity back.

by making a new club is as worse what TAN is doing now.

making a new club with no history, is not right.

in my opinion just keep fighting for our identity back.

Sadly Ashley there is a time were you have to admit defeat.

The only way we will get our identity back is when Tan goes and then that is not a guarantee. At one time I thought when his vision does not become reality, I honestly believe it will not, he will retract on the red but lately I have seen enough to believe that will not happen.

The point is though that it is not our decision.

Here we have a situation where a very succesful businessman believes, based on his experience, that he can increase the wealth and "Global Brand" of Cardiff City by making changes.

He might be right he might be wrong but two things are for sure - I neither have £60m to have my say - nor do I have the experience that he has.

Dont get me wrong I would prefer to play in Blue but I am a realist. Cardiff City is not the club I started supporting in 1973. Stefan Terlezki no longer runs the club and neither does Tony Clemo. We dont have crowds of 3000 anymore. We are a much bigger fish and we are going to grow much bigger. If Tan Sri believes that playing in red will help him market the club in China and Asia generally then I have to accept that he knows what he is doing.

Financially, and on the playing side, he has not done much wrong afterall....

It's not your decision about Blackburn's managers, but you say on here that what they are doing is awful.

Well it may not be my decision, but I think what Tan has done to our club is just as bad.

Barry I respect your opinion and maybe, in a few years time, things will pan out which may (or may not) cause you to have a re-think. I certainly dont know what will happen but I would prefer to trust Tan Sri than the Venkys.

4 Managers in one season (or as someone put it 1 manager for each away win) is just ridiculous. After all the good that Jack Walker did for Blackburn they have come in and virtually killed the club. The club is not marketed overseas. I certainly wouldnt pay to watch Blackburn on PPVTV and any support there is locally appears to be dwindling. We are moving in totally the opposite direction.

The point is though that it is not our decision.

Here we have a situation where a very succesful businessman believes, based on his experience, that he can increase the wealth and "Global Brand" of Cardiff City by making changes.

He might be right he might be wrong but two things are for sure - I neither have £60m to have my say - nor do I have the experience that he has.

Dont get me wrong I would prefer to play in Blue but I am a realist. Cardiff City is not the club I started supporting in 1973. Stefan Terlezki no longer runs the club and neither does Tony Clemo. We dont have crowds of 3000 anymore. We are a much bigger fish and we are going to grow much bigger. If Tan Sri believes that playing in red will help him market the club in China and Asia generally then I have to accept that he knows what he is doing.

Financially, and on the playing side, he has not done much wrong afterall....

It's not your decision about Blackburn's managers, but you say on here that what they are doing is awful.

Well it may not be my decision, but I think what Tan has done to our club is just as bad.

Barry I respect your opinion and maybe, in a few years time, things will pan out which may (or may not) cause you to have a re-think. I certainly dont know what will happen but I would prefer to trust Tan Sri than the Venkys.

4 Managers in one season (or as someone put it 1 manager for each away win) is just ridiculous. After all the good that Jack Walker did for Blackburn they have come in and virtually killed the club. The club is not marketed overseas. I certainly wouldnt pay to watch Blackburn on PPVTV and any support there is locally appears to be dwindling. We are moving in totally the opposite direction.

I don't need to "re-think" thanks very much.

Does it matter which league the new team play in? I thought the reason for forming the new club is to see them play in blue with a badge that has the bluebird ? Staying in the Welsh system would allow the team if successful to represent Wales in Europe.

Also regarding the Welsh FA route, do we know at what level the new club would have to enter?

This is not a wind up, just curious ?

Thats a very good point actually

I am fully convinced this thread is a wind up.

I'm not keen on this FC Cardiff thing but each to their own.

I agree with Annis, everyone should support taking Cardiff back to blue and the badge.

I cannot agree with anyone who says they don't care what colour they play in......but again each to their own. I just find it absolutely unbelievable that people who have watched them for years don't care. I understand the newbies, they have no allegience to the colours and will bugger off as soon as things go tits up which lets face it (Its CCFC......well at least it still is), it will. But people who have nailed those colours to the mast for years and are happy to see them die.........no, I can't grasp it.

And what about our traditions?

To be fair, when you take a deeper look into other clubs kit history etc. traditions are a load of bollocks anyway and I say that as someone who hated Tan after the scarf incident.

Liverpool play in their rivals old ground and used to play in kit like United's current one
West Ham had more blue but now have more claret on their kit than the blue which shows a change.
A few Premiership teams have stadium naming rights done by sponsors. SDA and DW Stadium are two of the obvious ones.
United had a white kit for a while as well with red being a minor feature
Arsenal have moved stadiums and have played in different colours.
Leeds changed their kit completely.
Spurs have had many different colour kits, one of which was red
Swansea have played in all white, white and red, white and orange, red white and black flames and now white and gold.
Everton have had many different colour kits
Forest & Derby have both have had different badges
Palace have been practically rebranded as well
Watford have had a kit change.

I think the obvious answer is people love the kit and badge purely because it relates to a period in their life they feel nostalgic about.

To the pro blues upset about this, a question.

Does it matter? I thought you lot were so much more loyal than normal fans that you would support what you perceive to be the real "Bluebirds" in any division whether it be in Wales or England.

Some facts, you lot making this club are plastic as they come, most will lose interest in the idea as they do not want to see Cardiff City FC of Bluebirds play the likes of Prestatyn town and Ton pentre every week.

I dont think it was a case of "Red or Dead" either......

But what I do believe is that, as owner of the club, Tan Sri has the right to market the club as he deems appropriate. Now that may not be to some of our liking but there again none of us pay the bills. Nor do we invest the sort of millions that he has invested. .

Very interesting you should think that.

We have 22,000 fans every home week at the stadium who have paid collectively around £6 million per year to the club, ironically the same sum Tan paid us that then made him feel he had the right to change everything.

We have paid the bills for the club a lot longer than Tan and continue to do so. Tan is spending money like its going out of fashion, money that is then attached to the club - not himself.

That doesn't give anyone the right to do what he has done. Sorry, you are wrong.

I dont think it was a case of "Red or Dead" either......

But what I do believe is that, as owner of the club, Tan Sri has the right to market the club as he deems appropriate. Now that may not be to some of our liking but there again none of us pay the bills. Nor do we invest the sort of millions that he has invested. .

Very interesting you should think that.

We have 22,000 fans every home week at the stadium who have paid collectively around £6 million per year to the club, ironically the same sum Tan paid us that then made him feel he had the right to change everything.

We have paid the bills for the club a lot longer than Tan and continue to do so. Tan is spending money like its going out of fashion, money that is then attached to the club - not himself.

That doesn't give anyone the right to do what he has done. Sorry, you are wrong.

He owns the largest amount of shares so yes he can do what he wants unfortunatly Unless the fans have the money to buy him out and pay of the debt we dont get to call the shorts. Thats the way it is unfortunatly.

And what about our traditions?

To be fair, when you take a deeper look into other clubs kit history etc. traditions are a load of bollocks anyway and I say that as someone who hated Tan after the scarf incident.

Liverpool play in their rivals old ground and used to play in kit like United's current one
West Ham had more blue but now have more claret on their kit than the blue which shows a change.
A few Premiership teams have stadium naming rights done by sponsors. SDA and DW Stadium are two of the obvious ones.
United had a white kit for a while as well with red being a minor feature
Arsenal have moved stadiums and have played in different colours.
Leeds changed their kit completely.
Spurs have had many different colour kits, one of which was red
Swansea have played in all white, white and red, white and orange, red white and black flames and now white and gold.
Everton have had many different colour kits
Forest & Derby have both have had different badges
Palace have been practically rebranded as well
Watford have had a kit change.

I think the obvious answer is people love the kit and badge purely because it relates to a period in their life they feel nostalgic about.

Besides Leeds how many of those clubs above are now not playing in their original colours?

I personally would never support a new club.

I find it odd tho that some people want a new club because our current club has lost it's identity and tradition yet would be happy to have it based in England

The two things that would finish support Cardiff city for me was if the name was changed or if they moved us.

Cardiff city based in England

Why are people getting their knickers in a twist about these guys posting on here and "stealing" support

Tan has already said 25% he can live with being unhappy, thats over 5000 of our current average gate so why are people getting concerned about this alternative club?

As we keep getting told theres plenty of fans to take those that leave's place so why so worried?

They are offering an alternative to modern football, they would probably be luckly to have 1-200 at best so I ask again, why are you getting your knickers in a twist?

Why are people getting their knickers in a twist about these guys posting on here and "stealing" support

Tan has already said 25% he can live with being unhappy, thats over 5000 of our current average gate so why are people getting concerned about this alternative club?

As we keep getting told theres plenty of fans to take those that leave's place so why so worried?

They are offering an alternative to modern football, they would probably be luckly to have 1-200 at best so I ask again, why are you getting your knickers in a twist?

The point is though that it is not our decision.

Here we have a situation where a very succesful businessman believes, based on his experience, that he can increase the wealth and "Global Brand" of Cardiff City by making changes.

He might be right he might be wrong but two things are for sure - I neither have £60m to have my say - nor do I have the experience that he has.

Dont get me wrong I would prefer to play in Blue but I am a realist. Cardiff City is not the club I started supporting in 1973. Stefan Terlezki no longer runs the club and neither does Tony Clemo. We dont have crowds of 3000 anymore. We are a much bigger fish and we are going to grow much bigger. If Tan Sri believes that playing in red will help him market the club in China and Asia generally then I have to accept that he knows what he is doing.

Financially, and on the playing side, he has not done much wrong afterall....

Excellent post. As long as we continue as Cardiff City Football Club thats good enough for me. Loyal supporters will stick with the club whatever colour we play in.

The point is though that it is not our decision.

Here we have a situation where a very succesful businessman believes, based on his experience, that he can increase the wealth and "Global Brand" of Cardiff City by making changes.

He might be right he might be wrong but two things are for sure - I neither have £60m to have my say - nor do I have the experience that he has.

Dont get me wrong I would prefer to play in Blue but I am a realist. Cardiff City is not the club I started supporting in 1973. Stefan Terlezki no longer runs the club and neither does Tony Clemo. We dont have crowds of 3000 anymore. We are a much bigger fish and we are going to grow much bigger. If Tan Sri believes that playing in red will help him market the club in China and Asia generally then I have to accept that he knows what he is doing.

Financially, and on the playing side, he has not done much wrong afterall....

Excellent post. As long as we continue as Cardiff City Football Club thats good enough for me. Loyal supporters will stick with the club whatever colour we play in.

What's good for you does not mean its good for others.

For the life of me I can't believe that loyal Cardiff City supporters are seriously considering following a new team, who will be based in England, rather than follow the club they grew up supporting because they now play in red
I don't like the way Tan has gone about doing things but as far as a new club is concerned......

The point is though that it is not our decision.

Here we have a situation where a very succesful businessman believes, based on his experience, that he can increase the wealth and "Global Brand" of Cardiff City by making changes.

He might be right he might be wrong but two things are for sure - I neither have £60m to have my say - nor do I have the experience that he has.

Dont get me wrong I would prefer to play in Blue but I am a realist. Cardiff City is not the club I started supporting in 1973. Stefan Terlezki no longer runs the club and neither does Tony Clemo. We dont have crowds of 3000 anymore. We are a much bigger fish and we are going to grow much bigger. If Tan Sri believes that playing in red will help him market the club in China and Asia generally then I have to accept that he knows what he is doing.

Financially, and on the playing side, he has not done much wrong afterall....

Excellent post. As long as we continue as Cardiff City Football Club thats good enough for me. Loyal supporters will stick with the club whatever colour we play in.

What's good for you does not mean its good for others.

I'm not taking a dig at you but why don't some of the "pro-blue" as they like to be called think of that statement as well

go back on previous threads, its been said over and over before... in short, Tan is a business man, after having invested a big amount of money b4, he would never let the club go bancupt as he would want his money back. the red or dead was never there, it was just the easy way out accepting the changes as most just saw the money in front of them.[/quote]

Absolute rubbish. TG said at the time that without the colour change Tan wouldn't invest any more money into the club and investment would have to be found elsewhere.





Did you see a queue of other investors willing to put money into a company losing 2 mill per month? No neither did I. So actually, there were no other investers willing to put in money apart from Tan and therefore there was no alternative.[/quote]




Not absolute rubbish! TG stated they'd find alternative funding. VT also recently said that if we were rude he'll go but find a buyer and leave us in good shape. Get your facts straight.

This scaremongering that we would have gone bust is total bullshit used to appease those fragile consciences who rolled over and took it up the rear for the promise of Premier football.

I think they are talking about HMRC winding us up. It was pretty clear no one else was stepping in.

Not the "red or dead" thing.

Guernsey joined the English Pyramid only last season, so if they can why can't an FC Cardiff?

Guernsey joined the English Pyramid only last season, so if they can why can't an FC Cardiff?

Because there is no alternative for Gurnsey.

Why on earth should FC bluebirds of tan haters join the English league? Why does it matter to any of you setting up the club where the club is based? The fact of the matter is many of you don't want to support the Welsh league.