CARDIFF DRAGONS MY ARSE

The plan B is stop loaning money and spend what we earn surely?

Or does that not fit in with your Prem at all costs agenda Gwyn?

Not quite.

Tans plan is to get to the premier then let the other income streams from the Far East pay for the club.

This is why he is willing to change the debt to equity because he feels the extra income will increase the share price. If his "vision" comes to fruitition there will be no debt or money problems for the club.

Your constant defence of the malaysians
Has realy started me asking myself have you
Got a hidden agenda.

You have more spin than shane warne.

Vincent tan CLEARLY has a name change
On his agenda but you keep kidding yourself otherwise

Malaysian's, all I'm concerned about is what's best for the club, not what suits me with regard to favourite colour, are you preapred to risk losing the club over a colour, some fan you are selfish yes, supporter no.

The plan B is stop loaning money and spend what we earn surely?

Or does that not fit in with your Prem at all costs agenda Gwyn?

Not quite.

Tans plan is to get to the premier then let the other income streams from the Far East pay for the club.

This is why he is willing to change the debt to equity because he feels the extra income will increase the share price. If his "vision" comes to fruitition there will be no debt or money problems for the club.

Yes but we all know that is the ramblings of a buffoon who has admitted to knowing nothing about football before he got involved with us.

As I've said before, just because he's rich it doesn't mean he's right. That plan was doomed to failure before he even loaned the first £1.

He reckons people are going to ditch man united for Cardiff coz they play in red and are called the dragons?! I mean? Wtf?

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Have people actually read the piece, coz it looks like some are adding up two and two and making five, now this is the piece relating to Cardiff dragons.

Tan acknowledged the "rumours" that have recently emerged over the use of Cardiff Dragons but added: "We haven't discussed this. I've not really thought about this in detail.


Does that sound like a plan? does it f**k, name me a team in the Prem, or for tham matter the Football League called the Swansea Sharks, the Blackpool Pulls, the Sunderland Vikings, Rugby yes, football no, the League wont allow it full stop.

People are spending their energies looking for negatives and what id scenarios and the good times are passing them by.

And I've still yet to hear a plan B off anyone.

gwyn

i can assure you its been on his mind for months initially with the nickname being changed but now with the possibility of the city being replaced with dragons.
did you think the city missing of the red scarf was a coincidence

Didn't know you were that close to him Steve, you must be one of the very small group of privileged people, tell us more, and also your plan B.

You couldn't be more right.

People are putting 2 and 2 together and coming up with 5.

Have people actually read the piece, coz it looks like some are adding up two and two and making five, now this is the piece relating to Cardiff dragons.

Tan acknowledged the "rumours" that have recently emerged over the use of Cardiff Dragons but added: "We haven't discussed this. I've not really thought about this in detail.


Does that sound like a plan? does it f**k, name me a team in the Prem, or for tham matter the Football League called the Swansea Sharks, the Blackpool Pulls, the Sunderland Vikings, Rugby yes, football no, the League wont allow it full stop.

People are spending their energies looking for negatives and what id scenarios and the good times are passing them by.

And I've still yet to hear a plan B off anyone.

gwyn

i can assure you its been on his mind for months initially with the nickname being changed but now with the possibility of the city being replaced with dragons.
did you think the city missing of the red scarf was a coincidence

Didn't know you were that close to him Steve, you must be one of the very small group of privileged people, tell us more, and also your plan B.

You are asking people for a plan b and when presented with one, ignoring it and continuing the line that nobody is offering one.

Stop loaning money we cannot afford to pay back and spend less than our income.

Surely this is a better plan than getting the club into crippling debt while changing it unrecognisably for a pipe dream of all Asians dropping their support for the big guns of man united and Liverpool to support a club they have never heard of before who will probably be in and around the relegation zone.

Which one makes more sense?

As a journalist myself, I look at what Tan actually said and then how much of it was 'coloured in' by Nick Servini. Gwyn is right, Tan didn't really say anything, he certainly didn't write the headline! As for Servini, he has ensured that everyone will be watching Sport Wales. He has done his job wonderfully, if not accurately.

Btw, im certainly not 'pro- Tan'.

Spot on.

As a journalist myself, I look at what Tan actually said and then how much of it was 'coloured in' by Nick Servini. Gwyn is right, Tan didn't really say anything, he certainly didn't write the headline! As for Servini, he has ensured that everyone will be watching Sport Wales. He has done his job wonderfully, if not accurately.

Btw, im certainly not 'pro- Tan'.

He also didn't quash the idea either. He had a perfect opportunity to say a name change is never going to happen and is ridiculous but he didn't.

As a journalist myself, I look at what Tan actually said and then how much of it was 'coloured in' by Nick Servini. Gwyn is right, Tan didn't really say anything, he certainly didn't write the headline! As for Servini, he has ensured that everyone will be watching Sport Wales. He has done his job wonderfully, if not accurately.

Btw, im certainly not 'pro- Tan'

At last someone talks some sense........everybody calm down.

It's a repeat of last year. Everyone didn't believe the 'rumours' and then it happened and we did sh*t all about it. This time let's make sure it doesn't happen or you can say goodbye to all of your memories of Cardiff City.

How on earth is he gonna erase my memory?

Lay you down in a room, place a red scarf over your eyes and sing you a malaysian top ten hit from 1975

Your constant defence of the malaysians
Has realy started me asking myself have you
Got a hidden agenda.

You have more spin than shane warne.

Vincent tan CLEARLY has a name change
On his agenda but you keep kidding yourself otherwise

Malaysian's, all I'm concerned about is what's best for the club, not what suits me with regard to favourite colour, are you preapred to risk losing the club over a colour, some fan you are selfish yes, supporter no.

The Club? What Club? You wont have a club. Well you will, but it wont be the one you have supported for (Blank) amount of years.

Haha, Yes Gwyn, because its all about a colour isnt it. Come on mate, take your head out of the clouds, it is much more than that now.

You can kid yourself if you want, but Vincent Tans intentions are clear.

I have no wish to argue with you or any other fan so I will leave it at that and say that only time will tell now and we will see what the future brings for Cardiff ???????

It's a repeat of last year. Everyone didn't believe the 'rumours' and then it happened and we did sh*t all about it. This time let's make sure it doesn't happen or you can say goodbye to all of your memories of Cardiff City.

How on earth is he gonna erase my memory?

Lay you down in a room, place a red scarf over your eyes and sing you a malaysian top ten hit from 1975

Haha that sounds a right giggle....count me in!

It's a repeat of last year. Everyone didn't believe the 'rumours' and then it happened and we did sh*t all about it. This time let's make sure it doesn't happen or you can say goodbye to all of your memories of Cardiff City.

How on earth is he gonna erase my memory?

Lay you down in a room, place a red scarf over your eyes and sing you a malaysian top ten hit from 1975

Haha that sounds a right giggle....count me in!

Your constant defence of the malaysians
Has realy started me asking myself have you
Got a hidden agenda.

You have more spin than shane warne.

Vincent tan CLEARLY has a name change
On his agenda but you keep kidding yourself otherwise

Malaysian's, all I'm concerned about is what's best for the club, not what suits me with regard to favourite colour, are you preapred to risk losing the club over a colour, some fan you are selfish yes, supporter no.

what makes you think we'll loose our club?
If tan wanted out he'd sell surely, he wouldnt just walk away otherwise he'd be loosing....he also said
" But if I were to sell, I'd make sure I would leave it in good hands."
This red or dead shit is a joke

Your constant defence of the malaysians
Has realy started me asking myself have you
Got a hidden agenda.

You have more spin than shane warne.

Vincent tan CLEARLY has a name change
On his agenda but you keep kidding yourself otherwise

Malaysian's, all I'm concerned about is what's best for the club, not what suits me with regard to favourite colour, are you preapred to risk losing the club over a colour, some fan you are selfish yes, supporter no.

what makes you think we'll loose our club?
If tan wanted out he'd sell surely, he wouldnt just walk away otherwise he'd be loosing....he also said
" But if I were to sell, I'd make sure I would leave it in good hands."
This red or dead shit is a joke

Who the hell would buy it? The club loses vast amounts of money, it isn't a viable business.
.

Have people actually read the piece, coz it looks like some are adding up two and two and making five, now this is the piece relating to Cardiff dragons.

Tan acknowledged the "rumours" that have recently emerged over the use of Cardiff Dragons but added: "We haven't discussed this. I've not really thought about this in detail.


Does that sound like a plan? does it f**k, name me a team in the Prem, or for tham matter the Football League called the Swansea Sharks, the Blackpool Pulls, the Sunderland Vikings, Rugby yes, football no, the League wont allow it full stop.

People are spending their energies looking for negatives and what id scenarios and the good times are passing them by.

And I've still yet to hear a plan B off anyone.

Who would you expect VT to "discuss" it with Gwyn , because to date he has shown little if any inclination to hear anyone`s views but his own?. Do you agree? Maybe he "discussed" it with himself in the shaving mirror one morning.

Out of interest what would your personal stance be if you found out in the near future that not only had he been considering the name change for some months , but had actually started the necessary procedures with the FA to implement it?

A Plan B actually becomes more feasible as time progresses. His risk capital is increasing by the month , he has little or any chance of recovering much of it unless he presses on with a promotion to the Premier and , if we get there , there is more chance of finding other investment/borrowings to buy him out (but of course he has now promised not to leave us in the lurch anyway so he would have to break his word and lose a lot of face here and in Malaysia if he reneged on that).

All I would add is that after 17 years living in Asia there are two clubs supported out here in any numbers and that's Manure and the Scousers; none of the others including Chelski even come close in terms of fan base so whatever color we wear or what we are called will make an iota of difference to our Asia fan base as it won't exist, even Tan knows this

All I wish for is all this shit goes away and we make the Premiership after all the hard work this season

Come on City

Your constant defence of the malaysians
Has realy started me asking myself have you
Got a hidden agenda.

You have more spin than shane warne.

Vincent tan CLEARLY has a name change
On his agenda but you keep kidding yourself otherwise

Malaysian's, all I'm concerned about is what's best for the club, not what suits me with regard to favourite colour, are you preapred to risk losing the club over a colour, some fan you are selfish yes, supporter no.

what makes you think we'll loose our club?
If tan wanted out he'd sell surely, he wouldnt just walk away otherwise he'd be loosing....he also said
" But if I were to sell, I'd make sure I would leave it in good hands."
This red or dead shit is a joke

Who the hell would buy it? The club loses vast amounts of money, it isn't a viable business.
.

we're on the verge of becoming a premier league football club, with guaranteed £Xmillions for the next 4years...im sure there would be a few.....it isnt viable for tan to just walk either, he'd need to sell.

too many internet message boarders jumping the gun as usual, Brighton home showed that these idiots are a very tiny minority

The only thing Brighton at home showed is how many c**ts now attend the CCS.

we're on the verge of becoming a premier league football club, with guaranteed £Xmillions for the next 4years...im sure there would be a few.....it isnt viable for tan to just walk either, he'd need to sell.

A company losing millions is virtually worthless regardless of guaranteed income, as there's also guaranteed outgoings.

Have people actually read the piece, coz it looks like some are adding up two and two and making five, now this is the piece relating to Cardiff dragons.

Tan acknowledged the "rumours" that have recently emerged over the use of Cardiff Dragons but added: "We haven't discussed this. I've not really thought about this in detail.


Does that sound like a plan? does it f**k, name me a team in the Prem, or for tham matter the Football League called the Swansea Sharks, the Blackpool Pulls, the Sunderland Vikings, Rugby yes, football no, the League wont allow it full stop.

People are spending their energies looking for negatives and what id scenarios and the good times are passing them by.

And I've still yet to hear a plan B off anyone.

gwyn

i can assure you its been on his mind for months initially with the nickname being changed but now with the possibility of the city being replaced with dragons.
did you think the city missing of the red scarf was a coincidence

Didn't know you were that close to him Steve, you must be one of the very small group of privileged people, tell us more, and also your plan B.

You are asking people for a plan b and when presented with one, ignoring it and continuing the line that nobody is offering one.

Stop loaning money we cannot afford to pay back and spend less than our income.

Surely this is a better plan than getting the club into crippling debt while changing it unrecognisably for a pipe dream of all Asians dropping their support for the big guns of man united and Liverpool to support a club they have never heard of before who will probably be in and around the relegation zone.

Which one makes more sense?

That would be Ok if starting off from a stable base, but as the CEO stated without VT propping up the club, without further investors, we would have to cease trading. So how do you get around that?

Brighton game proved very little but what does prove something is the amount of ST renewals from those that were here way before Tan and the rebrand, he's based his decision on that.

The 20 per cent he's refering to are those who have not renewed or vowed never to go down, this number could have been 50% if the antis stuck by their principles. Appreciate it's not what people like to hear but it's the truth.

Have people actually read the piece, coz it looks like some are adding up two and two and making five, now this is the piece relating to Cardiff dragons.

Tan acknowledged the "rumours" that have recently emerged over the use of Cardiff Dragons but added: "We haven't discussed this. I've not really thought about this in detail.


Does that sound like a plan? does it f**k, name me a team in the Prem, or for tham matter the Football League called the Swansea Sharks, the Blackpool Pulls, the Sunderland Vikings, Rugby yes, football no, the League wont allow it full stop.

People are spending their energies looking for negatives and what id scenarios and the good times are passing them by.

And I've still yet to hear a plan B off anyone.

gwyn

i can assure you its been on his mind for months initially with the nickname being changed but now with the possibility of the city being replaced with dragons.
did you think the city missing of the red scarf was a coincidence

Didn't know you were that close to him Steve, you must be one of the very small group of privileged people, tell us more, and also your plan B.

just the one chat actually gwyn and i understand where he is coming from with the dragon because he see its on our national flag and dosent understand for that reason the opposition to it. The one thing painfully obvoius is that he is oblivious to any history of the club and as you can see by the interview he does not mind upsetting 25% to keep the other 75% on board.
where have i ever mentioned a plan B gwyn i dident think we had any plan at all when we were on the brink of being liquidated in the high court before tans intervention. I dont think your great mate sam had a plan B either.
I appreciate there would be no club with out Tan gwyn and surely now people will realise we were red or dead without his money.
all of the above does not mean that he can trample over the clubs supporters constantly making threats to walk away if he cannot get his own way over everything.
i always thought the malaysian culture was a courteous one but in his case i think not.

Your constant defence of the malaysians
Has realy started me asking myself have you
Got a hidden agenda.

You have more spin than shane warne.

Vincent tan CLEARLY has a name change
On his agenda but you keep kidding yourself otherwise

Malaysian's, all I'm concerned about is what's best for the club, not what suits me with regard to favourite colour, are you preapred to risk losing the club over a colour, some fan you are selfish yes, supporter no.

The Club? What Club? You wont have a club. Well you will, but it wont be the one you have supported for (Blank) amount of years.

Haha, Yes Gwyn, because its all about a colour isnt it. Come on mate, take your head out of the clouds, it is much more than that now.

You can kid yourself if you want, but Vincent Tans intentions are clear.

Glad you have come to your senses, has he states he has not discussed it or given it any thought in details, says it all.

I have no wish to argue with you or any other fan so I will leave it at that and say that only time will tell now and we will see what the future brings for Cardiff ???????

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-sout ... 8835#asset

Gwyn - there are a whole load of other quotes in there that show utter contempt for the loyal fan

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-21618835#asset

He says in that video clip which is taken from tonights interview that " The majority of fans want red you could see that at the last game" might have had something to do with the red scaf give away why people had lots of red on . When i see a name change i will believe it as theres rules, but some of the things said by tan tells us all its his way or the highway trick again

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-21618835#asset

He says in that video clip which is taken from tonights interview that " The majority of fans want red you could see that at the last game" might have had something to do with the red scaf give away why people had lots of red on . When i see a name change i will believe it as theres rules, but some of the things said by tan tells us all its his way or the highway trick again

Exactly mate. Anyone against the rebrand should not have taken a scarf. Each scarf worn that night was like an endorsment of his plans.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-21618835#asset

He says in that video clip which is taken from tonights interview that " The majority of fans want red you could see that at the last game" might have had something to do with the red scaf give away why people had lots of red on . When i see a name change i will believe it as theres rules, but some of the things said by tan tells us all its his way or the highway trick again

Exactly mate. Anyone against the rebrand should not have taken a scarf. Each scarf worn that night was like an endorsment of his plans.

He will do what he wants anyway lets be fair here who wouldnt if they had there own money in something thats human nature as its your own money weather we like it or not, thats life .

Well done Gwyn, looks like you were bang on the money again mate.

Why people put the cart before the horse I do not know.