Very interesting statement by Mike Morris CCMB

Wow

Die, im not going to argue with you mate because to be honest im fed up of it all. I've been abused on another forum now and given shit over the fact that on the 13th February 2013 I changed my stance towards Tan. I accepted the rebrand but when the scarf issue was announced I changed my mind yet some decided this was a basis to abuse me on and causing a stir. It seems some just cant accept others have different thresholds in regards to this matter.

I believe I rightly asked questions about certain things in relation to the club and not because I want to split the fan base or cause a stir, that's already happened, but because I want the club that most of us fell in love with back. Im not here to have a go. There seems to be a view of attack on the forums lately rather than having a fair and open debate.

Now, the point I was making was the minority vote in a democracy is not always the right one. Most Americans wanted the war in Iraq mate yet many years later have come to realise it was a terrible mistake and there have been numerous stats to prove most Americans think its a mistake.

What happens at the club now will happen whether we like it or not. There is no point arguing. Tan will do what he likes. Im just going to enjoy the football and that's that now because we can argue to the death all of us but its not going to change the reality of the situation.

I'm fed up to the back teeth of all this anti VT stuff!

The vast majority are in support of VT as shown on Tuesday night.

Meaning what exactly? The vast majority of people voted George Bush to be president of the United States.

The vast majority of people are idiots that are unable to think for themselves.

Actually, the 'majority' of voters in the USA did not vote for George W Bush. He got in because the Florida vote was 'rigged' in his favour after several recounts and the 'loss' of many thousands of voting slips

Wales is full of sheep, so you shouldn't expect anything else than 'blind' following from some people on either side of the fence (red or blue)

However, the majority can think for themselves and are certainly (in the main) not idiots just because they don't agree with the next guy

What is clear (and both Mike and Annis allude to this) is that Vincent tan has his own vision and £100m worth of investment says he can pretty much do what he wants (possibly even more so than Peter Whittingham )

Reasoned protests would be good, i.e. letters, petitions, wearing of blue, traditional songs during games, etc. but IMHO we are way past that regarding the RED after what happened on Tuesday where people were prepared not only to wear the scarves but (some) were prepared to go to great lengths to obtain/steal several scarves (have you seen eBay? )

There are realistically only THREE ways of making a point:

1: Whingeing on MB's like this and others - Not really a viable option

2: Refusing to wear the RED merchandise - a viable (and financial) option BUT one that will be drowned out by 25000 reds

3: Walk away from the club - a somewhat admirable gesture BUT ask who really loses out

Personally, I will be choosing 'Option 2' as I don't personally belive the changes this far have 'changed' the club from what it was. We are STILL Cardiff City FC and we are on an UPWARD journey.

I love Cardiff City FC and in my mind's eye I loved the journey being a supporter has taken me on (although when i take my rose-tinted glasses off I remember how shitty it was on many occasions too )

This is just a new chapter and we need to turn that page to see what happens next

I'm fed up to the back teeth of all this anti VT stuff!

The vast majority are in support of VT as shown on Tuesday night.

Meaning what exactly? The vast majority of people voted George Bush to be president of the United States.

The vast majority of people are idiots that are unable to think for themselves.

Actually, the 'majority' of voters in the USA did not vote for George W Bush. He got in because the Florida vote was 'rigged' in his favour after several recounts and the 'loss' of many thousands of voting slips

Wales is full of sheep, so you shouldn't expect anything else than 'blind' following from some people on either side of the fence (red or blue)

However, the majority can think for themselves and are certainly (in the main) not idiots just because they don't agree with the next guy

What is clear (and both Mike and Annis allude to this) is that Vincent tan has his own vision and £100m worth of investment says he can pretty much do what he wants (possibly even more so than Peter Whittingham )

Reasoned protests would be good, i.e. letters, petitions, wearing of blue, traditional songs during games, etc. but IMHO we are way past that regarding the RED after what happened on Tuesday where people were prepared not only to wear the scarves but (some) were prepared to go to great lengths to obtain/steal several scarves (have you seen eBay? )

There are realistically only THREE ways of making a point:

1: Whingeing on MB's like this and others - Not really a viable option

2: Refusing to wear the RED merchandise - a viable (and financial) option BUT one that will be drowned out by 25000 reds

3: Walk away from the club - a somewhat admirable gesture BUT ask who really loses out

Personally, I will be choosing 'Option 2' as I don't personally belive the changes this far have 'changed' the club from what it was. We are STILL Cardiff City FC and we are on an UPWARD journey.

I love Cardiff City FC and in my mind's eye I loved the journey being a supporter has taken me on (although when i take my rose-tinted glasses off I remember how shitty it was on many occasions too )

This is just a new chapter and we need to turn that page to see what happens next

That's your opinion. My experience suggests the majority of people certainly are idiots. There are only a few voices that go on to change the world, or in fact change any thing of note. The rest follow the crowd. It takes a certain type if character to go against the grain and think for himself, to allow himself to be cast adrift for what he believes in - our club has less than its fair share of these and that is why there are never any decent numbers at any sort of meeting that is against the typical way of thinking.

This, in my opinion, is the reason Cardiff city will die a death. Strangled by idiots, glory hunters and foreign corporate greed. But that, is just my opinion,

To be on board when things are going well yet will admit you wouldn't be if things weren't is a terrible but common attitude. Surely we need more people with a bit more forward thinking? If an idea is the correct one, whether it fails or succeeds is irrelevant.

I'm fed up to the back teeth of all this anti VT stuff!

The vast majority are in support of VT as shown on Tuesday night.

Meaning what exactly? The vast majority of people voted George Bush to be president of the United States.

The vast majority of people are idiots that are unable to think for themselves.

Actually, the 'majority' of voters in the USA did not vote for George W Bush. He got in because the Florida vote was 'rigged' in his favour after several recounts and the 'loss' of many thousands of voting slips

Wales is full of sheep, so you shouldn't expect anything else than 'blind' following from some people on either side of the fence (red or blue)

However, the majority can think for themselves and are certainly (in the main) not idiots just because they don't agree with the next guy

What is clear (and both Mike and Annis allude to this) is that Vincent tan has his own vision and £100m worth of investment says he can pretty much do what he wants (possibly even more so than Peter Whittingham )

Reasoned protests would be good, i.e. letters, petitions, wearing of blue, traditional songs during games, etc. but IMHO we are way past that regarding the RED after what happened on Tuesday where people were prepared not only to wear the scarves but (some) were prepared to go to great lengths to obtain/steal several scarves (have you seen eBay? )

There are realistically only THREE ways of making a point:

1: Whingeing on MB's like this and others - Not really a viable option

2: Refusing to wear the RED merchandise - a viable (and financial) option BUT one that will be drowned out by 25000 reds

3: Walk away from the club - a somewhat admirable gesture BUT ask who really loses out

Personally, I will be choosing 'Option 2' as I don't personally belive the changes this far have 'changed' the club from what it was. We are STILL Cardiff City FC and we are on an UPWARD journey.

I love Cardiff City FC and in my mind's eye I loved the journey being a supporter has taken me on (although when i take my rose-tinted glasses off I remember how shitty it was on many occasions too )

This is just a new chapter and we need to turn that page to see what happens next

That's your opinion. My experience suggests the majority of people certainly are idiots. There are only a few voices that go on to change the world, or in fact change any thing of note. The rest follow the crowd. It takes a certain type if character to go against the grain and think for himself, to allow himself to be cast adrift for what he believes in - our club has less than its fair share of these and that is why there are never any decent numbers at any sort of meeting that is against the typical way of thinking.

This, in my opinion, is the reason Cardiff city will die a death. Strangled by idiots, glory hunters and foreign corporate greed. But that, is just my opinion,

To be on board when things are going well yet will admit you wouldn't be if things weren't is a terrible but common attitude. Surely we need more people with a bit more forward thinking? If an idea is the correct one, whether it fails or succeeds is irrelevant.

Again, I will point out that the majority of people are not idiots and, with respect, you insult them without knowing them or their reasons for disagreeing with you

Also, you talk about the people who say they are here for the 'glory' but will walk away if it all goes 'tits up'

I actually agree on that point. I have a colleague who had a Cardiff Season Ticket two years ago, a Swansea one THIS season and has now renewed at the CCS and he freely admits to glory-chasing (we don't speak much about it because it makes my blood boil! )

But is that not the nature of the beast in all areas of sport and/or life? In this 'modern' era where very little but money talks, people will talk with their feet if they are not getting the product 'they' perceive is for them?

Not me, personally. I've been around the club too long to simply let it go and I will enjoy the journey whilst it is here; even if that means I have to watch my team in (psychologically) the away kit at home and will still be here

As for Cardiff City 'dying a death' where have you been for the last 5 years after the Sam and Ridsdale debacles????

Were those events not the near death-throws of this great club? Were we not VERY lucky to survive and even MORE lucky to find an investor who not only wanted to save the club (no matter if for his own ends) but then wanted to provide the resources to push on to the Premiership dream?

Gordon Bennett!! The supporters who have been around long enough have had unrealistic dreams for too many years and now we have someone who is prepared to deliver and I am sorry if you don't agree but (as reluctant as I am for it to happen) if all we have to suffer is Vincent Tan's ego then so be it. WE'VE BEEN THERE BEFORE!!

Ultimately, we all have to make our own decisions (no matter how misguided or influenced on occasions) and move on in our own ways. 25,000 (plus staff and stewards) on Tuesday night said they would 'support' Vincent Tan through their actions and the small minority (of which I was one) either need to accept that democratic decision or walk away

As I've stated before, for me that is not an option and you can read into that what you like (but please don't call me stupid, as I most certainly am not )

I'm fed up to the back teeth of all this anti VT stuff!

The vast majority are in support of VT as shown on Tuesday night.

The vast majority of Germans believed in Hitler. People will believe all sorts of shit when you promise them things will be amazing, give them free stuff and sweet coat over all the real issues. The human race is inherently dumb.

So you clearly don't believe in democracy then.

The 1930's in Germany took the same approach as you and opposed democracy - the next thing that happened was that the people who opposed Hitler were persecuted - its highly questionable that the vast majority truly believed in him by the way, as opposed to being forced to do so, as democracy was suspended after 1933.

The parallel with our situation is clearly not made out, as everyone at CCFC is able to voice their opinions freely as evidenced by all the vitriol against VT on the mb's over the last few days.

Well that's not what he's saying at all. He is making the point that people are entitled to vote or to have an opinion, but the majority voting outcome doesn't mean it's the correct outcome.

For someone who seems to love democracy, you ain't half backing the wrong man in Tan

But surely democracy means that the minority accept what the majority vote for?

I may not want the Tories in power, but if that's what the majority vote for, as a democrat, I have to accept it.

Agree with that mate but at the moment people have not been given the chance to choose . It's a ballot paper with one option . It's red or f**k off

That's because its a business and unlike elections its his business and you don't get to vote other than with your feet. At this time people are voting with their feet and chosing to back him. Like all business owners the aim is to make the business sustainable and yes he will have to continue doing that and so far he is doing a good job as ticket sales are proving. Protests are fine but will only succeed in times when matters on the field are dire. This has been seen time and time again in football and yes could well happen with us. You have to be mad to own a football club simply because you cannot guarantee success on the football field and fans then turn on you when things don't go well.

Its simple really if enough people were prepared to back a protest now and boycott games, then at this early stage it could well change Tan's mind but the majority of people are currently living their dream and dismiss anti-Tan comments because they are based on pure speculation as no one knows what Tan's long term intentions may be. I see us remaining as Cardiff City playing football in Cardiff playing top league football and competing with the likes of Man Utd, Barcelona etc with a world wide fan base. That's my dream but others see this as a nightmare and they want the club to stay lower league playing in BLUE in front of crowds of 3,000.

Like Annis and Mike, I have been there for over 40 years, they hark back to great old days whereas I never saw them as great old days, I want success, they want tradition. We all want different things and we all can't have what we want but i'm afraid for the likes of Annis and Mike there are many of us old guys along with the majority of the younger guys want a successful club and if Tan thinks he can only achieve that playing in red then so be it. I wonder if the Leeds fans of today have ever called for a return to their old colours? I wonder in 40 years time, should we remain in a new colour as Leeds have done, whether any of our fans will ever demand a return to Blue especially if Cardiff's most successful era is associated with the team playing in red just as Leeds most successful era was played in white.

We will have to agree to disagree on the first point then as this lady is not for turning. I was probably being kind with the term "idiots" too.

We will have to agree to disagree on the first point then as this lady is not for turning. I was probably being kind with the term "idiots" too.

I find that (being kind with the term iditos) quite sad TBH and might say more about YOU than them

I look forward to seeing YOU put YOUR money (around £100m) where YOUR mouth is and then allowing others to TELL you what you should do with it

Farcical!!

Certainly disagree with you on the 'idiot' comment and no point in debating further even though I agree with SOME of your opinions, as is my democratic right

[b]Tara!![/b]

We will have to agree to disagree on the first point then as this lady is not for turning. I was probably being kind with the term "idiots" too.

I find that (being kind with the term iditos) quite sad TBH and might say more about YOU than them

I look forward to seeing YOU put YOUR money (around £100m) where YOUR mouth is and then allowing others to TELL you what you should do with it

Farcical!!

Certainly disagree with you on the 'idiot' comment and no point in debating further even though I agree with SOME of your opinions, as is my democratic right

[b]Tara!![/b]

It has nothing to do with money. Why would I need £100m to be right? Chairman should spend the money the club earns not loan the lcub money he has earned. That's nonsensical. And a incorrect way to do things before we even get into the subject of morals.

Does Huw Jenkins have £100m? No. He hasn't done too bad.

Die, im not going to argue with you mate because to be honest im fed up of it all. I've been abused on another forum now and given shit over the fact that on the 13th February 2013 I changed my stance towards Tan. I accepted the rebrand but when the scarf issue was announced I changed my mind yet some decided this was a basis to abuse me on and causing a stir. It seems some just cant accept others have different thresholds in regards to this matter.

I believe I rightly asked questions about certain things in relation to the club and not because I want to split the fan base or cause a stir, that's already happened, but because I want the club that most of us fell in love with back. Im not here to have a go. There seems to be a view of attack on the forums lately rather than having a fair and open debate.

Now, the point I was making was the minority vote in a democracy is not always the right one. Most Americans wanted the war in Iraq mate yet many years later have come to realise it was a terrible mistake and there have been numerous stats to prove most Americans think its a mistake.

What happens at the club now will happen whether we like it or not. There is no point arguing. Tan will do what he likes. Im just going to enjoy the football and that's that now because we can argue to the death all of us but its not going to change the reality of the situation.

I think in fairness, those are reasonable points.

I know people feel strongly about this issue and I can fully sympathise with that, but all this abuse (both ways) is just plain wrong.

I think everyone should be allowed their own views on this issue, without being labelled 'idiots' if they disagree with another person's views (both sides of the coin).

I just want to get on with the football and enjoy my team being top of the league, without being called an idiot for doing so

I in return won't hurl insults at anyone else for taking a different view (and never have done so) - that seems fair to me.

This is all just rumours and propaganda

That is clearly the way it is going though . There was no mention of city on those f*cking scarfs whilst it was a red bird

Posted this in a thread a couple of days ago:-

There is a badge at either end of the scarf, albeit the new unpopular badge, which both state Cardiff City!

The white seats in the Ninian Stand, which have been there since the stadium opened around 4 years ago now, only spell out Cardiff and not Cardiff City!

Everybody likes a conspiracy theory, so was this also part of VT's plan to change our identity at that time as well and why didn't anybody complain about the lack of City in the seats in the Ninian stand, when the stadium was first built?

Just people stirring IMO!

This is all just rumours and propaganda

That is clearly the way it is going though . There was no mention of city on those f*cking scarfs whilst it was a red bird

Posted this in a thread a couple of days ago:-

There is a badge at either end of the scarf, albeit the new unpopular badge, which both state Cardiff City!

The white seats in the Ninian Stand, which have been there since the stadium opened around 4 years ago now, only spell out Cardiff and not Cardiff City!

Everybody likes a conspiracy theory, so was this also part of VT's plan to change our identity at that time as well and why didn't anybody complain about the lack of City in the seats in the Ninian stand, when the stadium was first built?

Just people stirring IMO!

Everything was just cardiff though as the egg were made to feel very much at home .

This is all just rumours and propaganda

That is clearly the way it is going though . There was no mention of city on those f*cking scarfs whilst it was a red bird

Posted this in a thread a couple of days ago:-

There is a badge at either end of the scarf, albeit the new unpopular badge, which both state Cardiff City!

The white seats in the Ninian Stand, which have been there since the stadium opened around 4 years ago now, only spell out Cardiff and not Cardiff City!

Everybody likes a conspiracy theory, so was this also part of VT's plan to change our identity at that time as well and why didn't anybody complain about the lack of City in the seats in the Ninian stand, when the stadium was first built?

Just people stirring IMO!

Everything was just cardiff though as the egg were made to feel very much at home .

This isn't true, as the stadium has been called the Cardiff City Stadium from Day One and whilst we had to put up with Cardiff Blues badges dotted around the outside of the stadium, we also had our own Cardiff city badges posted all around the stadium as well!

This is all just rumours and propaganda

That is clearly the way it is going though . There was no mention of city on those f*cking scarfs whilst it was a red bird

Posted this in a thread a couple of days ago:-

There is a badge at either end of the scarf, albeit the new unpopular badge, which both state Cardiff City!

The white seats in the Ninian Stand, which have been there since the stadium opened around 4 years ago now, only spell out Cardiff and not Cardiff City!

Everybody likes a conspiracy theory, so was this also part of VT's plan to change our identity at that time as well and why didn't anybody complain about the lack of City in the seats in the Ninian stand, when the stadium was first built?

Just people stirring IMO!

I agree with this ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

He is spot on there, couldn't put it better myself, it's heartbreaking what we have become, I want the club I fell in love with 30 years ago back, we would never have stood for this in years gone by

Keep wearing blue,walking away from a club you love is not an option.BLUEBIRD TILL I DIE

Die, im not going to argue with you mate because to be honest im fed up of it all. I've been abused on another forum now and given shit over the fact that on the 13th February 2013 I changed my stance towards Tan. I accepted the rebrand but when the scarf issue was announced I changed my mind yet some decided this was a basis to abuse me on and causing a stir. It seems some just cant accept others have different thresholds in regards to this matter.

I believe I rightly asked questions about certain things in relation to the club and not because I want to split the fan base or cause a stir, that's already happened, but because I want the club that most of us fell in love with back. Im not here to have a go. There seems to be a view of attack on the forums lately rather than having a fair and open debate.

Now, the point I was making was the minority vote in a democracy is not always the right one. Most Americans wanted the war in Iraq mate yet many years later have come to realise it was a terrible mistake and there have been numerous stats to prove most Americans think its a mistake.

What happens at the club now will happen whether we like it or not. There is no point arguing. Tan will do what he likes. Im just going to enjoy the football and that's that now because we can argue to the death all of us but its not going to change the reality of the situation.

I think in fairness, those are reasonable points.

I know people feel strongly about this issue and I can fully sympathise with that, but all this abuse (both ways) is just plain wrong.

I think everyone should be allowed their own views on this issue, without being labelled 'idiots' if they disagree with another person's views (both sides of the coin).

I just want to get on with the football and enjoy my team being top of the league, without being called an idiot for doing so

I in return won't hurl insults at anyone else for taking a different view (and never have done so) - that seems fair to me.

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A very good and honest statement from Mike. He always says it as it is and he's hit the nail on the head again.

Regards the staff though, it isn't just the current owners they were like it with all the previous ones as well. It was sickenning to watch most of the time. I loved Sam though because he could see through them and used to beast them badly. I never had one argument with Sam because I alway told him how it was, please or offend. I've never kissed anyones arse, perhaps that's why I didn't get the massive contracts that some there are now enjoying.

When PR took over there was a queue of staff following him around with their lips firmly attached to his arsehole. I used to take the piss out of them. Maybe if I'd done the same I'd still be there now. Glad I'm out of it now though to be honest.

Do you know there are some admin staff there (not football staff, just admin staff) who will get a SIX FIGURE bonus when the club gets promoted to the premier league? That's a fact.

The arse licking there though was so bad and so sickening that when we got to the FA Cup final I didn't go to Wembley. I just couldn't stand to go. I gave my tickets away and I booked a week away in Turkey while the final was going on. Basically all the staff wanted to get on the "Victory Bus" after they won the cup and they were queing up outside PR's office with the most obscure reasons you could think of as to why they had to be on that bus. "I've got to make sure their suits are okay", "I've got to ask them how they are feeling and write it down", "they'll need someone on the mike to announce to the crowds as we go along"...... and so on... and on.... (Those are actual reasons that were given btw)

I'm one who's far enough away and not in the daily mix.

I have never seen what's really in it for Tan, I've hoped (as many I suspect) that he will be true to his word and bring us success, but its always niggling at the back of my mind that the man is gambling something and if he loses out he will look to keep his losses at a minimum and maybe make a small profit for himself.

He's not really open about his intentions and catches people unaware when he does something, he's also a track record of going back on his word.

There are a number of things that don't sit right and one horror scenario that fills me with dread is the knowledge that gambling is huge in the far east, it's where Tan has made his money and money can be made from fore knowledge of events. I certainly don't want my club to be a play thing of anyone even far remotely linked to any gambling syndicate, something that can't be dismissed out of hand.

I still hope all is good in the garden and we will rise to be a power in the game, at the end of the day, there's little any of us can do about it now.

Pages and pages of pure speculation........


Apparently he speaks to the BBC on Friday, let see what he says.

This is all just rumours and propaganda

That is clearly the way it is going though . There was no mention of city on those f*cking scarfs whilst it was a red bird

Posted this in a thread a couple of days ago:-

There is a badge at either end of the scarf, albeit the new unpopular badge, which both state Cardiff City!

The white seats in the Ninian Stand, which have been there since the stadium opened around 4 years ago now, only spell out Cardiff and not Cardiff City!

Everybody likes a conspiracy theory, so was this also part of VT's plan to change our identity at that time as well and why didn't anybody complain about the lack of City in the seats in the Ninian stand, when the stadium was first built?

Just people stirring IMO!

Everything was just cardiff though as the egg were made to feel very much at home .

This isn't true, as the stadium has been called the Cardiff City Stadium from Day One and whilst we had to put up with Cardiff Blues badges dotted around the outside of the stadium, we also had our own Cardiff city badges posted all around the stadium as well!

yes even when rugby was on it was always called Cardiff city stadium by bbc wales commentators!