THE PROTEST AND AIMS

Why are you worried about losing the Bluebird?
You're completely in for all these changes, and that will include losing our beloved bird

Couldn't be further from the truth, didn't want to see any change, but as it was the best option for the club, my personal preference had to take a back seat, the club's survival is far more important than my choice of favorite colour, obviously not the case for you, but that is your own choice. Some may see that as selfish, but I totally understand.

If you were up to speed you would know in the first meeting with Simon lym, I was the one who politely passed the warning on about not making anymore changes.

But don't let the truth or a few facts cloud your judgement.

Not saying you were always 'for' it.

As you're not against it, you're supporting it, so therefore, are also supporting the losing of the Bluebird which seems likely to happen

think you will find people who want to protest are in the minority on message boards etc just look at the amount of people who had scarfs on at the brighton game its unfortunate but as the saying goes you made your bed now you must lie in it

Some mad replys in here one guy even suggested gwyn does not want the bluebird, i mean who are these people , i speak to gwyn now and then and i can assure you hes no diffrent to anyone else he dont like the blue or nothing else thats been done but like most hes put his own personal preference to one side as thats not whats best for the club, thats the trouble people see it as whats best for them not the club and rite now we have nobody else to bear the debt so we have to put personal crap to one side or it comes down to bickering and name calling which i left behind eight months ago. Let MM get us up and then see whats ahead i say if theres anything going on as in a form of protest somehow, personally i think the only way and the best way would be to blue the whole place out which would be the hardest message to tan obviously, that didnt work though the other night sadly and it told me theres no turning back tbh.

Some mad replys in here one guy even suggested gwyn does not want the bluebird, i mean who are these people :shock: , i speak to gwyn now and then and i can assure you hes no diffrent to anyone else he dont like the blue or nothing else thats been done but like most hes put his own personal preference to one side as thats not whats best for the club, thats the trouble people see it as whats best for them not the club and rite now we have nobody else to bear the debt so we have to put personal crap to one side or it comes down to bickering and name calling which i left behind eight months ago. Let MM get us up and then see whats ahead i say if theres anything going on as in a form of protest somehow, personally i think the only way and the best way would be to blue the whole place out which would be the hardest message to tan obviously, that didnt work though the other night sadly and it told me theres no turning back tbh.

'THESE PEOPLE' are just as much 'City Fans as Gwyn. Get your tongue out of his arse

If you read back, the suggestion was to those that felt strongly about getting back to blue, this would be the ideal chance. I have stated from the very start I am far from a traditionalist and have said as much to anyone who's asked, don't think I'm a typical fan because the colour has never meant that much to me, and my bond and love for the club was never linked to colour, in fact when I walked away from Ninian park I didn't even take a backward glance and couldn't wait to see and get into the new stadium.

like most there Tuesday.I was gobsmacked by the sea of red, I had concerns that I would see hundreds if not thousand of scarves being thrown on he pitch or all over the toilet and concourse floor, so no one was more suprised than me by the outcome.

Strangely I didn't see it as a victory for the red side, because I don't see it as a red side. I just want what is what is best for the club and it's future,rather than my personal preference and I still haven't seen many alternative yet alone better options yet. Didn't get any pleasure out of seeing what I seen and that result capped what really was a crap night.

I don't feel the need to apologise, coz that's just how it is for me, however If I did feel that strongly about something, I'd have put up a much better bigger fight and would be on their case 24/7, I'm sure Vt doesn't know who I am, or care, but I promise you he'd know who I was if i was up for protesting.

Well I'll say it, f**king great post. I have very much mirrored your views Gwyn on the rebrand since its inception and whilst I don't like our team playing in red I understand it is a means to an end.

I too was disappointed by the red sea on Tuesday night. I wore Blue but also picked up my free red scarf which I gave to my daughter. Also I don't view Tuesday as a victory for the reds, instead I view our league position as a victory for Cardiff City and its fans.

One day we will return to playing in Blue, but until then the one thing I won't do is help those who want to bite off the nose of this club to spite its face.

Protests Tan will laugh his dictatorship head off.

I went to a total of 6 meetings last year, some arranged by our club, others arranged by fans, we had our chance and we never did anything about it.

TO LATE TO PROTEST, the protests should of been way back in August or last Tuesday night v Brighton was in my opinion the biggest chance of all, WE ALL SHOULD OF WORN BLUE.


Just now leave Malky and his team to get on with the job.

Good post Annis although I would have added that every dog has its day.

At the moment we are absolutely powerless to prevent Emperor Tan from doing whatever he likes. That said if he gets us into the Premiership makes us a stable team there whilst sorting out Langston etc he will have done us all a back handed favour.

Then one day things will change again and this time it will be a Blue Monday.

Do people realise what a small number of people there are who are against red at all costs?

For example, the most people ever on this board at any time is 1871 in September 2011. I would guess than less than 20% of those were registered users of the board. Even if everyone was anti-red that would be a very small percentage of our season ticket holders and general support.

Tuesday night just proves that people are apathetic and don't care enough to make any effort to fight the red. If you organised a protest I bet you wouldn't get 100 people there. The press are trying to have a field day and make a story that just isn't there, as people can't be bothered to fight it.

We are red. End of. 18,000 red shirts and 20,000 season tickets says it all. We live in a democracy, and the reds have the overall majority.

Until we get new owners, that's the way it is.


now lets get on with the best season for the club in more than 2 generations.

Wise words

Protests Tan will laugh his dictatorship head off.

I went to a total of 6 meetings last year, some arranged by our club, others arranged by fans, we had our chance and we never did anything about it.

TO LATE TO PROTEST, the protests should of been way back in August or last Tuesday night v Brighton was in my opinion the biggest chance of all, WE ALL SHOULD OF WORN BLUE.


Just now leave Malky and his team to get on with the job.

100% agree with the last bit

Gwyn was the fan in the full red morph suit.

Lots of sense there Gwyn, the protest will only derail the good from the red situation which is our great form this season as a part result of the investment.

I feel some people arranging these things care more for their own feelings than the good of the club.

Lets keep any protests until the end of the season. Gwyns idea of sacrificing the fancy dress in Hull for a "blue away day" is the most sensible suggestion I've heard so far. Lets support our club to the full for the rest of the season and hopefully the team will deliver the goods on the pitch.

Protest at any game will achieve nothing.

Annis is right.. the KCB had the chance but they wimped out and lacked faith and fight.

It is the stupidest idea ever to protest now there's only bad going to come out of it.

Don't let those stupid red bits of material around people's shoulders on one occasion f**k the best chance for promotion we have ever had up.

Lets get across that line then we could do something it's not fair on the players or malky to start kicking off now. They've given everything so far lets carry on copying them.

I am not fully concerned about it affecting the team and performances but it ain't going to change a thing during the season.

It will take a lot to get everything back in 1 go.

Better off trying to get the fans on board for a better badge or for one we have already had.

The BLUE at HUll CITY away is a very good idea, protests are now too late, support Malky and the boys and turn Hull blue on the final day of the season

The BLUE at HUll CITY away is a very good idea, protests are now too late, support Malky and the boys and turn Hull blue on the final day of the season

Some mad replys in here one guy even suggested gwyn does not want the bluebird, i mean who are these people :shock: , i speak to gwyn now and then and i can assure you hes no diffrent to anyone else he dont like the blue or nothing else thats been done but like most hes put his own personal preference to one side as thats not whats best for the club, thats the trouble people see it as whats best for them not the club and rite now we have nobody else to bear the debt so we have to put personal crap to one side or it comes down to bickering and name calling which i left behind eight months ago. Let MM get us up and then see whats ahead i say if theres anything going on as in a form of protest somehow, personally i think the only way and the best way would be to blue the whole place out which would be the hardest message to tan obviously, that didnt work though the other night sadly and it told me theres no turning back tbh.

'THESE PEOPLE' are just as much 'City Fans as Gwyn. Get your tongue out of his arse

Well of course these people are just as much city fans but the point is somebody said he wants the bluebird gone in this very thread so i guess hes just as much of a city fan for saying that about another fan, your a three game a season plastic jenks so i have no idea why my tongue would be up anothers arse, does this make me more of a city fan than you for saying your a plastic errr NO, or is it because im not going about with the fucks, cunts, sellout and name calling like most on here maybe that will change the reband as we all know the result inside the ground on scarf night will only change the rebrand and rite now TAN will see that as a result not some to-bit posts on a poxy forum

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Am I missing something here? The fan who was pretty much solely responsible for making sure no protest took place before the start of the season, which might have been our only chance of preventing the rebrand from taking off is now behind protests taking place? I can't believe what I'm reading.

Of course it's now too late to protest. And of course the few people who wore blue on Tuesday were not going to be able to make an impact against the sea of red. I was surprised that not as many people did something, whether it was throwing the scarf on the pitch (I counted 2) or whatever, but it was pretty clear on the night it would make little difference. I got there just before kick off, by which time all the scarves had gone, or I would have taken one to do something with at least.

But it's quite clear there is now nothing that can be done, and talk of protest on this messageboard is now meaningless. We are now a red club, and I believe we will stay a red club now, just as Burnley stayed a claret-and-blue club after they changed, and just like a couple of other clubs.

But I just cannot believe that you're now voicing an objection Gwyn after the extensive efforts you went to to prevent a protest before the start of the season when it's now clear that that was the only time that protesting could have made an impact.

The fan who was pretty much solely responsible for making sure no protest took place before the start of the season

And I will absolutely stand by this, whatever Gwyn may replay. If you had not spent the whole time disrupting the KCB meeting before the start of the season, that meeting would have been far more organised, and proper, peaceful protests would have been made so that fans could at least put over their point of view and show the club that we were not prepared to stand for the changes. Due to this meeting being disrupted, no protest took place, and so the club has just continued unabated.

Am I missing something here? The fan who was pretty much solely responsible for making sure no protest took place before the start of the season, which might have been our only chance of preventing the rebrand from taking off is now behind protests taking place? I can't believe what I'm reading.

Of course it's now too late to protest. And of course the few people who wore blue on Tuesday were not going to be able to make an impact against the sea of red. I was surprised that not as many people did something, whether it was throwing the scarf on the pitch (I counted 2) or whatever, but it was pretty clear on the night it would make little difference. I got there just before kick off, by which time all the scarves had gone, or I would have taken one to do something with at least.

But it's quite clear there is now nothing that can be done, and talk of protest on this messageboard is now meaningless. We are now a red club, and I believe we will stay a red club now, just as Burnley stayed a claret-and-blue club after they changed, and just like a couple of other clubs.

But I just cannot believe that you're now voicing an objection Gwyn after the extensive efforts you went to to prevent a protest before the start of the season when it's now clear that that was the only time that protesting could have made an impact.

You couldn't be more wrong if you tried, even at the very first meeting at the club i was the one who suggested a show of unity by everyone wearing blue, the only thing I have objected to is anything that would disrupt on field events and affect the players and possibly results, when you find out people are planning to throw twenty blue smoke bombs onto the pitch during the match,what would any real fan feel.
Even people who could be classed as active members in the KCB group were aghast at some of the suggestions for damage and pitch invasions and the like being bandied about, many distanced themselves well away from the group when they seen how dis-organised it was.

I have not been against any protests organise properly and taking place outside the stadium, the whole KCB set up was like a group of leaderless headless chickens with no direction, easier to blame others for their failings.

f**k me they tried to organise a protest march and didn't consult with the police or ask the club for permission to group up on their property, naive schoolboy error.
Been involved in several marches and demonstrations and have gone through all the paperwork channels and meetings required to set them up, it ain't rocket science.

Peaceful organised protest can be a good means to an end, as long as they are carried out properly and not disrespectful or cause damage. Can't believe how much second and misplaced crap that is bandied about by people who know little and do even less.

He may however dig his heels in and take the opposite approach and say "if that's the case it's gloves off and I'll do it my way".

Can't really see the difference, he is doing it his way, with the backing of many, many thousands. The majority. Protest won't change his attitude but it won't change the colour either.

In answer to what you've said Gwyn, there was nothing discussed at that meeting that implied there would be disruption of that kind. If the meeting had been allowed to be conducted properly, with everyone there being in support of the cause, I'm sure that at the very least a peaceful protest before the first game would still have taken place, instead of the idea fizzling out due to opposition to the protest.

There are a couple of things from that meeting that have been telling though, and these are:

1. As was pointed out, enduring a whole season, and as seems likely further seasons with the rebrand hasiindeed proved difficult, despite the club's success.

2. Despite my saying, as you may recall that the club would not do well this season due to all the bad vibes, Malky and the team have certainly proved me wrong on that one, with a fantastic string of results. And so, for that reason, it could be said you were right to try to ensure no disruption to the team to allow them to get on with their job of securing promotion.

3. And yet - here is the irony - despite the success, people are still not happy. The atmosphere at home, especially when the team goes behind, is dire. It was bad in the last couple of seasons, but even worse now. I know there are people who are seriously considering not renewing season tickets even if we get to the premiership which we've strived for for so long. So it does seem as if the sacrifice in terms of losing identity, which I think we all must concede we all wish we had done more about it in terms of protesting, is something we are all going to mourn, in spite of the club's success.

In answer to what you've said Gwyn, there was nothing discussed at that meeting that implied there would be disruption of that kind. If the meeting had been allowed to be conducted properly, with everyone there being in support of the cause, I'm sure that at the very least a peaceful protest before the first game would still have taken place, instead of the idea fizzling out due to opposition to the protest.

There are a couple of things from that meeting that have been telling though, and these are:

1. As was pointed out, enduring a whole season, and as seems likely further seasons with the rebrand hasiindeed proved difficult, despite the club's success.

2. Despite my saying, as you may recall that the club would not do well this season due to all the bad vibes, Malky and the team have certainly proved me wrong on that one, with a fantastic string of results. And so, for that reason, it could be said you were right to try to ensure no disruption to the team to allow them to get on with their job of securing promotion.

3. And yet - here is the irony - despite the success, people are still not happy. The atmosphere at home, especially when the team goes behind, is dire. It was bad in the last couple of seasons, but even worse now. I know there are people who are seriously considering not renewing season tickets even if we get to the premiership which we've strived for for so long. So it does seem as if the sacrifice in terms of losing identity, which I think we all must concede we all wish we had done more about it in terms of protesting, is something we are all going to mourn, in spite of the club's success.

So you weren't aware of the disagreements among the KCB members with some wanting borderline anarchy and graffiti and damage etc plus by burning flags and disrupting the game etc with smoke bombs.
And as for atmosphere etc I don't think that's a unique problem that can be attributed to the rebrand, and as for people not being happy, it was quite obvious that 95% of them were happy enough to wear the red scarves on Tuesday.

We had the chance Tue and what did anyone do nothing !! just petty minded jestures with thier red scarfes
I wore blue from head to foot I fear now the form of the protest against red is going to destroy any support for it by its actions. As for tan tan will do as he pleases no matter what nothing will force his hand ethier way Do The Ayatolla

I like the idea of wearing blue for the last game ...Hopefully we will be in the medias eye and celebrating promotion(Maxium publicity) . It would mean me also not looking a dick in fancy dress
I'm sure there may be few who will say that it may have an impact on any future investment but I'm willing to bite that bullet.

Will it make a difference ?.. probably not, but it would be good to see everyone united for at least one day !!!!