Respect

Aren't you understanding me chuckles, If I do renew I have agreed to forfeit the right to complain because it will be because I am backing Tan and vision. I have been man enough to admit that, are you?

Peole / supporters can do what they like. But will i sit there and behave like a modern new Cardiff Dragons supporter ? No i wont. My heart is torn in two i would not expect you or anyone else to understand that. I have had a few texts this week one being from a pro red fan saying Chief you have been right from the begining Chief. And anothed from a blue diehard who says he wont be re newing his ST . All very very sad

So very unnecessary too.

Aren't you understanding me chuckles, If I do renew I have agreed to forfeit the right to complain because it will be because I am backing Tan and vision. I have been man enough to admit that, are you?

No, because as an ambassador, I have the right to air my opinions on the running of the club, just as any other ticket holder.

You are allowed an opinion on things, this isn't North Korea.

I thought people were buying season tickets not shares in the club and voting rights.

I wasnt aware ambassadors had a say on how the club is run when did that change? you must know it is your 'right'.

Agreed you can have an opinion on things also the owner has his right to ignore your opinion and carry on regardless. He is the one with the shares, he is the one with the money, he is the one with the voting rights.

Aren't you understanding me chuckles, If I do renew I have agreed to forfeit the right to complain because it will be because I am backing Tan and vision. I have been man enough to admit that, are you?

Peole / supporters can do what they like. But will i sit there and behave like a modern new Cardiff Dragons supporter ? No i wont. My heart is torn in two i would not expect you or anyone else to understand that. I have had a few texts this week one being from a pro red fan saying Chief you have been right from the begining Chief. And anothed from a blue diehard who says he wont be re newing his ST . All very very sad

Its heartbreaking to see our support divided like this I agree. We used to be a family who stood by each other. The rebrand has split the fans like nothing else mate and it's horrible to watch.

I would give anything to have the blue back but we have no voice, he hasn't listened to our voice this season regarding the colours and he won't listen to them next season when he decides to rip the blue seats out. We can wear blue all we like and it won't make a shred of difference. He only cares about money and power and he's got that with Cardiff.

Aren't you understanding me chuckles, If I do renew I have agreed to forfeit the right to complain because it will be because I am backing Tan and vision. I have been man enough to admit that, are you?

No, because as an ambassador, I have the right to air my opinions on the running of the club, just as any other ticket holder.

You are allowed an opinion on things, this isn't North Korea.

I thought people were buying season tickets not shares in the club and voting rights.

I wasnt aware ambassadors had a say on how the club is run when did that change? you must know it is your 'right'.

Agreed you can have an opinion on things also the owner has his right to ignore your opinion and carry on regardless. He is the one with the shares, he is the one with the money, he is the one with the voting rights.

Where did I say I had a say on how the club runs? I said I had the right to an OPINION on how it's run.

Please read posts correctly.

Reluctant reds my arse. People tied their colours to the mast on Tuesday night and it was sickening.

They took a free scarf on a cold Tuesday Night...a nice looking one, too.

And do you believe Tan will listen to the opinion of someone who has renewed despite being against his plans. As an owner he holds the right, and will, ignore opinions.

A season ticket does not grant you a place on the board unfortunately.

Aren't you understanding me chuckles, If I do renew I have agreed to forfeit the right to complain because it will be because I am backing Tan and vision. I have been man enough to admit that, are you?

Peole / supporters can do what they like. But will i sit there and behave like a modern new Cardiff Dragons supporter ? No i wont. My heart is torn in two i would not expect you or anyone else to understand that. I have had a few texts this week one being from a pro red fan saying Chief you have been right from the begining Chief. And anothed from a blue diehard who says he wont be re newing his ST . All very very sad

Its heartbreaking to see our support divided like this I agree. We used to be a family who stood by each other. The rebrand has split the fans like nothing else mate and it's horrible to watch.

I would give anything to have the blue back but we have no voice, he hasn't listened to our voice this season regarding the colours and he won't listen to them next season when he decides to rip the blue seats out. We can wear blue all we like and it won't make a shred of difference. He only cares about money and power and he's got that with Cardiff.

Rebrand hasn't split many of us, you saw yourself how few people were bothered about wearing the scarf. It's very much a minority that are divided from the rest. 'City till I die' remember that?

And do you believe Tan will listen to the opinion of someone who has renewed despite being against his plans. As an owner he holds the right, and will, ignore opinions.

A season ticket does not grant you a place on the board unfortunately.

Again, I haven't said it does. All I said is that it entitles me to an opinion. Just like it entitles anyone to an opinion on the team/strip/prices or anything else to do with the club.

Lets be honest, Tan has already shown that he won't listen to anyone at all.

Reluctant reds my arse. People tied their colours to the mast on Tuesday night and it was sickening.

They took a free scarf on a cold Tuesday Night...a nice looking one, too.

If they were "reluctant" they would not have worn it.

Nice looking?!

Lets be honest, Tan has already shown that he won't listen to anyone at all.

EXACTLY! Which is what I have been saying all along, we have no voice even with a season ticket, he just sees you as a supporter of him and his vision.

As a ST holder I will have the right to air my views of the running of the club. If I didn't renew, I'd forfeit those rights.

You said this in another thread. What is the point of airing your views on the running of the club to someone you believe "Wont listen to anyone at all".

You have admitted that with a season ticket we still don't have a voice because he won't listen which was one of the main reasons behind you getting a season ticket this season, to have a say in the running of the club, which you have now said won't be listened to.

Totally agree,and although i have been going to watch city since 1972 i will not be renewing my season ticket next year.i have been waiting for premiership football 4 so long and now we look like finally getting it i will unfortunately missing out.my pride will remain intact though.

Aren't you understanding me chuckles, If I do renew I have agreed to forfeit the right to complain because it will be because I am backing Tan and vision. I have been man enough to admit that, are you?

No, because as an ambassador, I have the right to air my opinions on the running of the club, just as any other ticket holder.

You are allowed an opinion on things, this isn't North Korea.

I thought people were buying season tickets not shares in the club and voting rights.

I wasnt aware ambassadors had a say on how the club is run when did that change? you must know it is your 'right'.

Agreed you can have an opinion on things also the owner has his right to ignore your opinion and carry on regardless. He is the one with the shares, he is the one with the money, he is the one with the voting rights.

Where did I say I had a say on how the club runs? I said I had the right to an OPINION on how it's run.

Please read posts correctly.

I would say you should re-read what you write

you obviously think as an ambassador you have some sort of voice that must be listened to, I would suggest you rethink what your 'rights' are. You have 2 options renew your season ticket or dont, simple really.
I dont think you are allowed to have an opinion on how its run unless you are willing to invest your millions into the club. You do have a choice as to whether you go along with changes or not but as 1948 says your a bit of a hypocrite if you pay for something you hate so much.

Reluctant reds my arse. People tied their colours to the mast on Tuesday night and it was sickening.

They took a free scarf on a cold Tuesday Night...a nice looking one, too.

If they were "reluctant" they would not have worn it.

Nice looking?!

I was more on about the 'tying colours to the mast' comment. They took a free scarf...exaggeration.

You might not like it but I know plenty of people including myself who thought it was great.

Lets be honest, Tan has already shown that he won't listen to anyone at all.

EXACTLY! Which is what I have been saying all along, we have no voice even with a season ticket, he just sees you as a supporter of him and his vision.

As a ST holder I will have the right to air my views of the running of the club. If I didn't renew, I'd forfeit those rights.

You said this in another thread. What is the point of airing your views on the running of the club to someone you believe "Wont listen to anyone at all".

You have admitted that with a season ticket we still don't have a voice because he won't listen which was one of the main reasons behind you getting a season ticket this season, to have a say in the running of the club, which you have now said won't be listened to.

I won't just roll over. That simple.

Lets be honest, Tan has already shown that he won't listen to anyone at all.

EXACTLY! Which is what I have been saying all along, we have no voice even with a season ticket, he just sees you as a supporter of him and his vision.

As a ST holder I will have the right to air my views of the running of the club. If I didn't renew, I'd forfeit those rights.

You said this in another thread. What is the point of airing your views on the running of the club to someone you believe "Wont listen to anyone at all".

You have admitted that with a season ticket we still don't have a voice because he won't listen which was one of the main reasons behind you getting a season ticket this season, to have a say in the running of the club, which you have now said won't be listened to.

I won't just roll over. That simple.

Game, set and match.

Lets be honest, Tan has already shown that he won't listen to anyone at all.

EXACTLY! Which is what I have been saying all along, we have no voice even with a season ticket, he just sees you as a supporter of him and his vision.

As a ST holder I will have the right to air my views of the running of the club. If I didn't renew, I'd forfeit those rights.

You said this in another thread. What is the point of airing your views on the running of the club to someone you believe "Wont listen to anyone at all".

You have admitted that with a season ticket we still don't have a voice because he won't listen which was one of the main reasons behind you getting a season ticket this season, to have a say in the running of the club, which you have now said won't be listened to.

I won't just roll over. That simple.

Game, set and match.

Not at all. Differing opinions, that's all.

Hope you stand by your word and not buy a season ticket.

Fully agree.

Is there a right or wrong way here Lads ? However you want to show your displeasure is up to that person i will not have a go at no one o what ever they decide to do.

Steve, you are right. There is no wrong way to do it but after Tuesday it is flogging a dead horse (something I said some time ago ) as we no longer have enough fans who will 'stand up and be counted' where it matters

That is why I aways stated there was no point in anyone 'banging on' about it and (I'm sorry to say) I was proved right

However, I still don't believe the club or the fans have 'sold their souls'; preferring instaed to think that it is just a case of the new generation being 'more receptive' to change than those of us who we here in the Dark Ages of the old Fourth Division

I was never 'FOR' the RED but I always understood (a) why VT would want it, and (b) that NOTHING would stop it occurring

The simple choice is that we either stay and embrace the 'changes' or we walk away. For me, the LATTER is unthinkable, so I just move on

Nukes i am afraid you are right, our club is now the standing joke of British football i am afraid

Haven't said I wasn't going to buy a season ticket, you are sinking without a trace here. Like I said, if I buy one I will be believer in Tan and the red! Why can't you admit that.

So, tell me Chuckles. You have admitted we have no voice because Tan won't listen. What is the real reason why you renewed? Premier league football perhaps? Because it certainly isn't anything to do with having a voice as we have already proved.

Rebrand hasn't split many of us, you saw yourself how few people were bothered about wearing the scarf. It's very much a minority that are divided from the rest. 'City till I die' remember that?

The scarf didn't say City on it.

I was never 'FOR' the RED but I always understood (a) why VT would want it, and (b) that NOTHING would stop it occurring

The simple choice is that we either stay and embrace the 'changes' or we walk away. For me, the LATTER is unthinkable, so I just move on

Completely agree and it's attitude I take. If I renew, I will have "moved on" as you say. I won't complain, I won't like it but I won't complain.

Haven't said I wasn't going to buy a season ticket, you are sinking without a trace here. Like I said, if I buy one I will be believer in Tan and the red! Why can't you admit that.

So, tell me Chuckles. You have admitted we have no voice because Tan won't listen. What is the real reason why you renewed? Premier league football perhaps? Because it certainly isn't anything to do with having a voice as we have already proved.

So, you admit you're probably going to renew, yet call me a hypocrite for doing so?

No you haven't. Why have I renewed? Quite simply because I support the club & have done for over 20 years? (Which could easily be longer than you! )

It also entitles me to voice my opinion on how it is run. It may not be listened to, but it still gives me a voice. Those things are two very different things.

Nukes i am afraid you are right, our club is now the standing joke of British football i am afraid

We always have been

Totally agree,and although i have been going to watch city since 1972 i will not be renewing my season ticket next year.i have been waiting for premiership football 4 so long and now we look like finally getting it i will unfortunately missing out.my pride will remain intact though.

Respect to you Chief in your beliefs.
And as to those scarfs since when have we been known as just Cardiff ? Will we be k own as just Cardiff or Cardiff Dragons or maybe Cardiff Malaysians ? Who knows ?

Rebrand hasn't split many of us, you saw yourself how few people were bothered about wearing the scarf. It's very much a minority that are divided from the rest. 'City till I die' remember that?

The scarf didn't say City on it.

Nothing to do with the scarf, to do with those deserting Cardiff in spirit or presence over this.

Totally agree,and although i have been going to watch city since 1972 i will not be renewing my season ticket next year.i have been waiting for premiership football 4 so long and now we look like finally getting it i will unfortunately missing out.my pride will remain intact though.

Respect to you Chief in your beliefs.
And as to those scarfs since when have we been known as just Cardiff ? Will we be k own as just Cardiff or Cardiff Dragons or maybe Cardiff Malaysians ? Who knows ?

Everytime I watch Gillette Soccer Saturday we are known as just Cardiff on there....

So, you admit you're probably going to renew, yet call me a hypocrite for doing so?

Lets address this point for you slowly because I have done a dozen times and you won't listen.

IF, I renew, which I probably will. It will be because I back Tan and his vision and it would be hypocritical of me not to say so. There is nothing hypocritical about that, I am condemning people who have renewed and are STILL moaning and whinging about the rebrand! I won't be doing that, trust me.

I have been man enough to admit this freely, the question is, are you?

Totally agree,and although i have been going to watch city since 1972 i will not be renewing my season ticket next year.i have been waiting for premiership football 4 so long and now we look like finally getting it i will unfortunately missing out.my pride will remain intact though.

Respect to you Chief in your beliefs.
And as to those scarfs since when have we been known as just Cardiff ? Will we be k own as just Cardiff or Cardiff Dragons or maybe Cardiff Malaysians ? Who knows ?

Everytime I watch Gillette Soccer Saturday we are known as just Cardiff on there....

Which the club have actively tried to change by writing to Sky and several other media outlets regarding this issue.

Totally agree,and although i have been going to watch city since 1972 i will not be renewing my season ticket next year.i have been waiting for premiership football 4 so long and now we look like finally getting it i will unfortunately missing out.my pride will remain intact though.

Respect to you Chief in your beliefs.
And as to those scarfs since when have we been known as just Cardiff ? Will we be k own as just Cardiff or Cardiff Dragons or maybe Cardiff Malaysians ? Who knows ?

Everytime I watch Gillette Soccer Saturday we are known as just Cardiff on there....

Which the club have actively tried to change by writing to Sky and several other media outlets regarding this issue.

Absolute rubbish. Every team in the country is named as such on there unless there are two teams from the same place. I very much doubt Cardiff's administration would waste time worrying about that.