fao swansealad69 and jacks

This Chuckle fella is having a mare

He makes you Jacks look reasonably intelligent. The worse thing is, he thinks hes Albert f*cking Einstein, awful bloke.

This Chuckle fella is having a mare

Not really. Having a mate by pointing out a bit of a hole in your rags to riches dream?

I'm sure the people who lost jobs on your way to premiership stardom won't have such rose tinted spectacles on.

It's fact isn't it?

So, By your reckoning, you can't criticise Cardiff's financial situation because it was previous owners?

Who's criticizing Cardiff's finances?? You said similar to me last night on here when i hadn't said nothing of the sorts.You seem to be tarring us all with the same brush.Either that or you're struggling and inventing things i've said.I think it's the latter.

I was actually aiming this at PhoenixFromTheFlames.

This Chuckle fella is having a mare

Not really. Having a mate by pointing out a bit of a hole in your rags to riches dream?

I'm sure the people who lost jobs on your way to premiership stardom won't have such rose tinted spectacles on.

Lost jobs?

Name names.

It's fact isn't it?

So, By your reckoning, you can't criticise Cardiff's financial situation because it was previous owners?

Who's criticizing Cardiff's finances?? You said similar to me last night on here when i hadn't said nothing of the sorts.You seem to be tarring us all with the same brush.Either that or you're struggling and inventing things i've said.I think it's the latter.

I was actually aiming this at PhoenixFromTheFlames.

You should learn to quote then

No thanks.

Swansea are the best run club in Britain, there is no doubt about that. However, the fans are still ridiculously obsessed which is one thing I don't get. If i was a Swansea fan I'd be revelling in the fact we were in a higher division with less debt and better run with quality players like Michu signed for next to nothing. The actions speak volumes themselves but Swansea fans have to gloat which is the same as a pop fanatic gloating about how good Michael Jackson was. When you are doing well and everyone knows it gloating just makes you come across as arrogant and disrespectful and Swansea fans, well some of them, are showing no class at all by doing so. You should be modest when you are doing well. That is how real, proper, genuine people act. It also shows you know how to handle being at the top level.

There isn't one football fan in Britain except those who "support" the very top clubs that can claim that they aren't jealous of Swansea, that's a fact. However I genuinely believe that we are on the up and although people dislike us a lot more than the Jacks we'll establish ourselves as a decent premier league club. The only downside is that it will be in the wrong colour.

Swansea are the best run club in Britain, there is no doubt about that. However, the fans are still ridiculously obsessed which is one thing I don't get. If i was a Swansea fan I'd be revelling in the fact we were in a higher division with less debt and better run with quality players like Michu signed for next to nothing. The actions speak volumes themselves but Swansea fans have to gloat which is the same as a pop fanatic gloating about how good Michael Jackson was. When you are doing well and everyone knows it gloating just makes you come across as arrogant and disrespectful and Swansea fans, well some of them, are showing no class at all by doing so. You should be modest when you are doing well. That is how real, proper, genuine people act. It also shows you know how to handle being at the top level.

If there was no threads to reply to on here then we wouldn't bother.This thread for example is for the attention of the Jacks We're a 2 club country when it all boils down to it and you're only a click of a mouse away so we're bound to come on here to answer/defend ourselves.You watch once you get to the PL,Planetswans will once again be frequented by hoardes of CCFC.It's what happens innit.

Put yourselves in our position for a minute, you're taken over by a conman and it soon becomes clear that the guy hasn't got a f**king clue, he sacks the first team squad, you're in the bottom division and you're club is teetering on the brink of going out of existence!

Along come a consortium of local businessmen who, by hook or by crook manage to get control of the club away from the crazy Aussie, they look at the finances and see a way to solve the problems that have been underlying at the club for nearly two decades so they seek the creditors agreement.

Just over a decade later, you are playing in the top division and on the verge of a cup final... Now if this story had happened to Cardiff and not Swansea, it would be you lot pinching yourselves and wondering if it had really happened. No Swans fans will argue that we have a chequered financial past, and we should always remember the lessons learned, but importantly, those lessons do appear to have been learned and we find ourselves where we are today. You would be celebrating your achievements as well, in the same way we are.

Swansea are the best run club in Britain, there is no doubt about that. However, the fans are still ridiculously obsessed which is one thing I don't get. If i was a Swansea fan I'd be revelling in the fact we were in a higher division with less debt and better run with quality players like Michu signed for next to nothing. The actions speak volumes themselves but Swansea fans have to gloat which is the same as a pop fanatic gloating about how good Michael Jackson was. When you are doing well and everyone knows it gloating just makes you come across as arrogant and disrespectful and Swansea fans, well some of them, are showing no class at all by doing so. You should be modest when you are doing well. That is how real, proper, genuine people act. It also shows you know how to handle being at the top level.

If there was no threads to reply to on here then we wouldn't bother.This thread for example is for the attention of the Jacks We're a 2 club country when it all boils down to it and you're only a click of a mouse away so we're bound to come on here to answer/defend ourselves.You watch once you get to the PL,Planetswans will once again be frequented by hoardes of CCFC.It's what happens innit.

2 club country? How disrespectful to Wrexham Newport et al.

Before you say "they're down the bottom of the pyramid" - so were you not too long ago.

Swansea are the best run club in Britain, there is no doubt about that. However, the fans are still ridiculously obsessed which is one thing I don't get. If i was a Swansea fan I'd be revelling in the fact we were in a higher division with less debt and better run with quality players like Michu signed for next to nothing. The actions speak volumes themselves but Swansea fans have to gloat which is the same as a pop fanatic gloating about how good Michael Jackson was. When you are doing well and everyone knows it gloating just makes you come across as arrogant and disrespectful and Swansea fans, well some of them, are showing no class at all by doing so. You should be modest when you are doing well. That is how real, proper, genuine people act. It also shows you know how to handle being at the top level.

If there was no threads to reply to on here then we wouldn't bother.This thread for example is for the attention of the Jacks We're a 2 club country when it all boils down to it and you're only a click of a mouse away so we're bound to come on here to answer/defend ourselves.You watch once you get to the PL,Planetswans will once again be frequented by hoardes of CCFC.It's what happens innit.

2 club country? How disrespectful to Wrexham Newport et al.

Before you say "they're down the bottom of the pyramid" - so were you not too long ago.

No offence dude but you're one boring sap.Any chance you could just not bother engaging with me ever again on here? Take that as a win for you if you like,it's all your's.I bloody hate pedants and you're right up there.Again,no offence.

Put yourselves in our position for a minute, you're taken over by a conman and it soon becomes clear that the guy hasn't got a f**king clue, he sacks the first team squad, you're in the bottom division and you're club is teetering on the brink of going out of existence!

Along come a consortium of local businessmen who, by hook or by crook manage to get control of the club away from the crazy Aussie, they look at the finances and see a way to solve the problems that have been underlying at the club for nearly two decades so they seek the creditors agreement.

Just over a decade later, you are playing in the top division and on the verge of a cup final... Now if this story had happened to Cardiff and not Swansea, it would be you lot pinching yourselves and wondering if it had really happened. No Swans fans will argue that we have a chequered financial past, and we should always remember the lessons learned, but importantly, those lessons do appear to have been learned and we find ourselves where we are today. You would be celebrating your achievements as well, in the same way we are.

Yes and I don't blame you. What I don't understand is how this Swansea love-in story just forgets that key point.

Yet we still have SCFC fans coming on here going on about money and debts etc. clearly they weren't fans when Petty was around.

Swansea are the best run club in Britain, there is no doubt about that. However, the fans are still ridiculously obsessed which is one thing I don't get. If i was a Swansea fan I'd be revelling in the fact we were in a higher division with less debt and better run with quality players like Michu signed for next to nothing. The actions speak volumes themselves but Swansea fans have to gloat which is the same as a pop fanatic gloating about how good Michael Jackson was. When you are doing well and everyone knows it gloating just makes you come across as arrogant and disrespectful and Swansea fans, well some of them, are showing no class at all by doing so. You should be modest when you are doing well. That is how real, proper, genuine people act. It also shows you know how to handle being at the top level.

If there was no threads to reply to on here then we wouldn't bother.This thread for example is for the attention of the Jacks We're a 2 club country when it all boils down to it and you're only a click of a mouse away so we're bound to come on here to answer/defend ourselves.You watch once you get to the PL,Planetswans will once again be frequented by hoardes of CCFC.It's what happens innit.

I disagree. At the end of the day if we go up I will not even think about your club in any aspect other than local forward to the South Wales derby in the Premiership. I won't be gloating or any of that nonsense, I will just be happy to see Cardiff City FC doing well and in the top division in British football. Swansea very rarely even come into my mind and only really do when your fans attack my tweets or when you are on television. It's a shame more of your fans seem happier to gloat than actually enjoy the best ride of Swansea's history. Fans like scotsjack show class because he knows all too well that Swansea are doing well. The opinion of Cardiff fans doesn't make him bite because he knows the truth and that is what matters to him, nothing else. Swansea fans that bite when the facts show they are doing better have some sort of mental complex they need to deal with. There really is no other explanation for their behaviour.

Swansea are the best run club in Britain, there is no doubt about that. However, the fans are still ridiculously obsessed which is one thing I don't get. If i was a Swansea fan I'd be revelling in the fact we were in a higher division with less debt and better run with quality players like Michu signed for next to nothing. The actions speak volumes themselves but Swansea fans have to gloat which is the same as a pop fanatic gloating about how good Michael Jackson was. When you are doing well and everyone knows it gloating just makes you come across as arrogant and disrespectful and Swansea fans, well some of them, are showing no class at all by doing so. You should be modest when you are doing well. That is how real, proper, genuine people act. It also shows you know how to handle being at the top level.

If there was no threads to reply to on here then we wouldn't bother.This thread for example is for the attention of the Jacks We're a 2 club country when it all boils down to it and you're only a click of a mouse away so we're bound to come on here to answer/defend ourselves.You watch once you get to the PL,Planetswans will once again be frequented by hoardes of CCFC.It's what happens innit.

I disagree. At the end of the day if we go up I will not even think about your club in any aspect other than local forward to the South Wales derby in the Premiership. I won't be gloating or any of that nonsense, I will just be happy to see Cardiff City FC doing well and in the top division in British football. Swansea very rarely even come into my mind and only really do when your fans attack my tweets or when you are on television. It's a shame more of your fans seem happier to gloat than actually enjoy the best ride of Swansea's history. Fans like scotsjack show class because he knows all too well that Swansea are doing well. The opinion of Cardiff fans doesn't make him bite because he knows the truth and that is what matters to him, nothing else. Swansea fans that bite when the facts show they are doing better have some sort of mental complex they need to deal with. There really is no other explanation for their behaviour.

It's only a messageboard and a game of football pal.All part of the light hearted pantomine that is football rivalry.I have no complex,I come on here to have a bit of a laugh,which i do.I've got more pressing things going on in my life than to adopt a messageboard complex

Swansea are the best run club in Britain, there is no doubt about that. However, the fans are still ridiculously obsessed which is one thing I don't get. If i was a Swansea fan I'd be revelling in the fact we were in a higher division with less debt and better run with quality players like Michu signed for next to nothing. The actions speak volumes themselves but Swansea fans have to gloat which is the same as a pop fanatic gloating about how good Michael Jackson was. When you are doing well and everyone knows it gloating just makes you come across as arrogant and disrespectful and Swansea fans, well some of them, are showing no class at all by doing so. You should be modest when you are doing well. That is how real, proper, genuine people act. It also shows you know how to handle being at the top level.

If there was no threads to reply to on here then we wouldn't bother.This thread for example is for the attention of the Jacks We're a 2 club country when it all boils down to it and you're only a click of a mouse away so we're bound to come on here to answer/defend ourselves.You watch once you get to the PL,Planetswans will once again be frequented by hoardes of CCFC.It's what happens innit.

I disagree. At the end of the day if we go up I will not even think about your club in any aspect other than local forward to the South Wales derby in the Premiership. I won't be gloating or any of that nonsense, I will just be happy to see Cardiff City FC doing well and in the top division in British football. Swansea very rarely even come into my mind and only really do when your fans attack my tweets or when you are on television. It's a shame more of your fans seem happier to gloat than actually enjoy the best ride of Swansea's history. Fans like scotsjack show class because he knows all too well that Swansea are doing well. The opinion of Cardiff fans doesn't make him bite because he knows the truth and that is what matters to him, nothing else. Swansea fans that bite when the facts show they are doing better have some sort of mental complex they need to deal with. There really is no other explanation for their behaviour.

It's only a messageboard and a game of football pal.All part of the light hearted pantomine that is football rivalry.I have no complex,I come on here to have a bit of a laugh,which i do.I've got more pressing things going on in my life than to adopt a messageboard complex

To be honest mate, my post weren't really aimed at you. Your posts are fine and understandable in terms of rivalry banter but it was more aimed at the likes of swansealad69 and that other poster now creating Swansea threads whenever you make a 1 penny profit.

Back to the thread...

Do you feel the current swansea team has surpassed the Toshack era when you rose to prominence in the old 1st Division. Before it collapsed there was a great team there with Bob Latchford, kennedy, etc etc, however do you think the current team are better than the golden generation.

I missed out on the Toshack era and caught the bug as the Swans were on the way back down, but you can't fault the achievement of going straight through the divisions. However, it came crashing back down as quickly as it was built up and left us with a legacy that took nearly 20 years to fix.

This current side is a completely different thing though, football has changed beyond recognition since the 80's and getting to the top division is one hell of an achievement from where we were 10 years ago, if we stay up this season then I guess we have surpassed the 80's team but that doesn't tell the whole story.

One common denominator through the whole thing though... Alan Curtis!

Swansea are the best run club in Britain, there is no doubt about that. However, the fans are still ridiculously obsessed which is one thing I don't get. If i was a Swansea fan I'd be revelling in the fact we were in a higher division with less debt and better run with quality players like Michu signed for next to nothing. The actions speak volumes themselves but Swansea fans have to gloat which is the same as a pop fanatic gloating about how good Michael Jackson was. When you are doing well and everyone knows it gloating just makes you come across as arrogant and disrespectful and Swansea fans, well some of them, are showing no class at all by doing so. You should be modest when you are doing well. That is how real, proper, genuine people act. It also shows you know how to handle being at the top level.

One word..... Arsenal

Swansea are the best run club in Britain, there is no doubt about that. However, the fans are still ridiculously obsessed which is one thing I don't get. If i was a Swansea fan I'd be revelling in the fact we were in a higher division with less debt and better run with quality players like Michu signed for next to nothing. The actions speak volumes themselves but Swansea fans have to gloat which is the same as a pop fanatic gloating about how good Michael Jackson was. When you are doing well and everyone knows it gloating just makes you come across as arrogant and disrespectful and Swansea fans, well some of them, are showing no class at all by doing so. You should be modest when you are doing well. That is how real, proper, genuine people act. It also shows you know how to handle being at the top level.

If there was no threads to reply to on here then we wouldn't bother.This thread for example is for the attention of the Jacks We're a 2 club country when it all boils down to it and you're only a click of a mouse away so we're bound to come on here to answer/defend ourselves.You watch once you get to the PL,Planetswans will once again be frequented by hoardes of CCFC.It's what happens innit.

2 club country? How disrespectful to Wrexham Newport et al.

Before you say "they're down the bottom of the pyramid" - so were you not too long ago.

No offence dude but you're one boring sap.Any chance you could just not bother engaging with me ever again on here? Take that as a win for you if you like,it's all your's.I bloody hate pedants and you're right up there.Again,no offence.

I point out a mistake you made and that makes me boring? Okay.

Swansea are the best run club in Britain, there is no doubt about that. However, the fans are still ridiculously obsessed which is one thing I don't get. If i was a Swansea fan I'd be revelling in the fact we were in a higher division with less debt and better run with quality players like Michu signed for next to nothing. The actions speak volumes themselves but Swansea fans have to gloat which is the same as a pop fanatic gloating about how good Michael Jackson was. When you are doing well and everyone knows it gloating just makes you come across as arrogant and disrespectful and Swansea fans, well some of them, are showing no class at all by doing so. You should be modest when you are doing well. That is how real, proper, genuine people act. It also shows you know how to handle being at the top level.

One word..... Arsenal

Not as well run as people like to think. Overspend on mediocre players whilst selling their best players on. They also still owe money on the stadium and ticket prices are extortionate in comparison to other teams considering they are likely to finish outside of the top 4 this year. Selling your best players on to make profit is not an example of a well run club, its an example of good finance management. A well run club has good finances but also shows ambition and progression on the pitch as well, i.e. Swansea. Its horrible to praise them but that is a fact.

"They also owe money on the stadium".

That's because they OWN it.

Likely to finish outside the top 4? I'd understand you saying that if there wasn't much of the season left, but they're not far off with half a season to go.

It's a possibility, but not "likely".

Yep.Toshack's team was built on a bed of sand.The current side and infrastructure is built on a far more solid and stable base.

Just been listening to Talksport and the smoke being blown up our arses is getting a tad embarrassing now.Apparently,we're the blueprint for every club that plays football.Hard to disagree too.

What, rip off your creditors and then start afresh?

Funny that the general public don't talk about that story, eh?

Cardiff would have done the same, every football club is run by a heartless b*stard lets not beat around the bush here, ask Pompey.

What's heartless about it, we had an asset stripper in charge for 3 or 4 months, he sold Stuart Roberts for £100k (lot of money at the time and no one knows where that money went), after every game would go in and empty the takings into his briefcase (there wasn't a lot of takings), tried to sack half the players and cut the wages of others, eventually being paid off by the current regime leaving debts of nearly £1m, £800k was owed to Mel Nurse who became a shareholder, the rest (of which I was one), was owed to local businessmen who voted to take the 5p in the pound, a CVA needed 75% approval
Everyone was happy to see the club going forward except a few who were self appointed club staff on wages that were not proportionate, ie one guy was on £100k a year plus a company Jag (the club couldn't afford this or anything near this at the time).

I am careful not to mention names

"They also owe money on the stadium".

That's because they OWN it.

Likely to finish outside the top 4? I'd understand you saying that if there wasn't much of the season left, but they're not far off with half a season to go.

It's a possibility, but not "likely".

You pick at everything. They owe money on the stadium because they own it? Well done on that front. Still doesn't mean it was a genius financial move does it? There is a difference between a well run club and good financial management. As for finishing outside of the top 4, its a matter of opinion but this is a forum so get used to hearing other peoples opinions.

"They also owe money on the stadium".

That's because they OWN it.

Likely to finish outside the top 4? I'd understand you saying that if there wasn't much of the season left, but they're not far off with half a season to go.

It's a possibility, but not "likely".

You pick at everything. They owe money on the stadium because they own it? Well done on that front. Still doesn't mean it was a genius financial move does it? There is a difference between a well run club and good financial management. As for finishing outside of the top 4, its a matter of opinion but this is a forum so get used to hearing other peoples opinions.

I think you're the one that needs to get used to other people's opinions. I'm merely offering mine in the style of a debate. No need to get so tetchy.

I think it was a rather shrewd move, get bigger crowds in and get the hospitality side of it covered. Long term, it'll be a great financial move.

Of course, you know better than the people who own Arsenal and their financial bods.

Yep.Toshack's team was built on a bed of sand.The current side and infrastructure is built on a far more solid and stable base.

Just been listening to Talksport and the smoke being blown up our arses is getting a tad embarrassing now.Apparently,we're the blueprint for every club that plays football.Hard to disagree too.

What, rip off your creditors and then start afresh?

Funny that the general public don't talk about that story, eh?

Cardiff would have done the same, every football club is run by a heartless b*stard lets not beat around the bush here, ask Pompey.

What's heartless about it, we had an asset stripper in charge for 3 or 4 months, he sold Stuart Roberts for £100k (lot of money at the time and no one knows where that money went), after every game would go in and empty the takings into his briefcase (there wasn't a lot of takings), tried to sack half the players and cut the wages of others, eventually being paid off by the current regime leaving debts of nearly £1m, £800k was owed to Mel Nurse who became a shareholder, the rest (of which I was one), was owed to local businessmen who voted to take the 5p in the pound, a CVA needed 75% approval
Everyone was happy to see the club going forward except a few who were self appointed club staff on wages that were not proportionate, ie one guy was on £100k a year plus a company Jag (the club couldn't afford this or anything near this at the time).

I am careful not to mention names

Mel Nurse doesn't get nearly enough credit for the part he played

I think it was a rather shrewd move, get bigger crowds in and get the hospitality side of it covered. Long term, it'll be a great financial move.

Of course, you know better than the people who own Arsenal and their financial bods.

The only reason you are praising Arsenal is because you don't want to praise Swansea which is unfair. Its sad how bitter some of our fans are.

Not at all true, you're assuming too much. Swansea have done very well, but I won't foam at the mouth over them.

My opinion was that you were unfairly critical on Arsenal, which is why I offered my opinion. Entirely entitled to do that.

Not at all true, you're assuming too much. Swansea have done very well, but I won't foam at the mouth over them.

Fair enough.

My opinion was that you were unfairly critical on Arsenal, which is why I offered my opinion. Entirely entitled to do that.

Again, fair enough. I disagree though and think Swansea are a better run club. In terms of finances? Maybe not but as a whole, I believe they definitely are. Whilst Arsenal are sliding down the table and selling off their best players, Swansea are climbing the table and buying quality players on the cheap.

Put yourselves in our position for a minute, you're taken over by a conman and it soon becomes clear that the guy hasn't got a f**king clue, he sacks the first team squad, you're in the bottom division and you're club is teetering on the brink of going out of existence!

Along come a consortium of local businessmen who, by hook or by crook manage to get control of the club away from the crazy Aussie, they look at the finances and see a way to solve the problems that have been underlying at the club for nearly two decades so they seek the creditors agreement.

Just over a decade later, you are playing in the top division and on the verge of a cup final... Now if this story had happened to Cardiff and not Swansea, it would be you lot pinching yourselves and wondering if it had really happened. No Swans fans will argue that we have a chequered financial past, and we should always remember the lessons learned, but importantly, those lessons do appear to have been learned and we find ourselves where we are today. You would be celebrating your achievements as well, in the same way we are.

I guess in that respect you're the same as us. People take the piss for many of our fans accepting, albeit reluctantly, the rebrand, yet how can you blame us when we've had years of dodgy owners and uncertainty about our future? Many people, including me, are sick of worrying about what's round the next corner for our club, whether it will even exist or not, and if it does exist what state it will be in. I've been a Cardiff fan pretty much from birth, and before Tan came I've only ever known owners that want to ruin our club. There comes a time when you just want to enjoy the football and forget about the off field stuff.

Not at all true, you're assuming too much. Swansea have done very well, but I won't foam at the mouth over them.

My opinion was that you were unfairly critical on Arsenal, which is why I offered my opinion. Entirely entitled to do that.

You are really bitter and jealous Barry, Really funny, you hate it don't you?