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Have I said he's the next taylor? I've just said he's done very well to get where he has in a year. Don't forget due to his low starting ranking, nearly every tournament he's been to, he's had to go up aginst the big boys from the very first round. I'm not claiming he's going to be a multiple world champ, I'm just saying hes better than average and has done very well to get where he has.

yeah I agree there are a few decent players but not a lot lets be fair some make the grade at pdc like winstanley but I cant see any in the bdo at the moment who could, maybe scotty waites, martin adams to old and not same player he used to be.

Last nights quarter finals, all four players averaged in the 90's. First game, both averaged 95 with 50percent success on the doubles. Easily as high a standard as a pdc quarter final. I agree, nowhere near the depth of the pdc but all four players last night showed they can be good enough if they were to switch over.

Until Winstanley starts getting into quarters and semi finals on a regular basis then he is an average player.

I could name 10 better players than Winstanley straight off the bat.

A decent player but nothing special in the PDC.

thats the sort of attitude that sees people label Tim Henman as an "average" tennis player.

Winstanly is very good, and appears to be getting better to be fair.

Thats a bit rich from you Paul, you pour scorn on every single player Cardiff City are linked with. We could be linked with Messi and you would find a negative.

Yet you want to blow smoke up the arse of a darts player ranked 42nd in the world, and a tennis player who never appeared in a final of a major.

I bet when you were a kid you played football for one of those teams who never won a trophy and whos parents chipped in to buy them a trophy at the end of the season and told them "Its ok, its the taking part that counts. You are all winners".

unbelivable really.

first of all i dont "pour scorn" on every player we are linked with (you are far worse to be fair). I stated that i didnt think tommy smith would be any better than what we already had. Turns out, he did very well, got injured in october..... and what have the team gone and done without him exactly?

also, not blowing smoke up anyones ass, PDC rankings are similar to golf in that its over a two year rolling period, so his ranking means little untill this year. but yes he is a very good player, as are most of the top guys in the PDC.

Tim henman was number 4 in the world for years. would have won wimbledon if it wasnt for one of the greatest ever grass court players, and reached the semis at all 4 majors. Yes he didnt quite have enough to go on and win one, but anyone who would call him average clearly doesnt know what they are talking about.

Getting a 95 average in some little tin pit hall means feck all when you are playing in front of 5000 crowds and big lights of the PDC.

Mark Walsh is one of the best players on the floor but come the tv tournaments just cannot cut it.

Its like saying someone who scores goals in the conference could score the same amount in the premiership.

Nonsense.

Getting a 95 average in some little tin pit hall means feck all when you are playing in front of 5000 crowds and big lights of the PDC.

Mark Walsh is one of the best players on the floor but come the tv tournaments just cannot cut it.

he managed to average about 91/92 in his two matches in the world champs.

hit a nine darter

and lost too the runner up, who many thought would win the whole thing

Getting a 95 average in some little tin pit hall means feck all when you are playing in front of 5000 crowds and big lights of the PDC.

Mark Walsh is one of the best players on the floor but come the tv tournaments just cannot cut it.

he managed to average about 91/92 in his two matches in the world champs.

hit a nine darter

and lost too the runner up, who many thought would win the whole thing

Get your facts right Paul, he lost to Van Der Voort, who then got thumped 4-0 in the next game by Wade, who then got thumped by MVG, who eventually lost to Taylor.

wrong dutchman

wrong dutchman

Wrong sport Paul. Stick to football fella. Oh you dont know much about that either.

wrong dutchman

Wrong sport Paul. Stick to football fella. Oh you dont know much about that either.

yes because i dont agree with you


besides, winstanley is a very good dart player

wrong dutchman

Wrong sport Paul. Stick to football fella. Oh you dont know much about that either.

yes because i dont agree with you


besides, winstanley is a very good dart player

All players in the PDC who make it onto tv are very good however in top class class terms he is no better than average. Goes out 2nd round of most tournaments.

If he was a football team he would be someone like Barnsley compared to Phil Taylors Man United.

Ok mario, I suppose robbie green is untested as far as the pdc goes but u can't say the same about tony o'shea, he's played against the pdc boys in the grand slam and managed to do a fair bit of damage.

Ok mario, I suppose robbie green is untested as far as the pdc goes but u can't say the same about tony o'shea, he's played against the pdc boys in the grand slam and managed to do a fair bit of damage.

Its like a lower league team getting the odd upset in the cup.

Tony O Shea is probably a Derby County in top class terms.

I rate O Shea more than Winstanley but hes too old to cross over now.

Ok mario, I suppose robbie green is untested as far as the pdc goes but u can't say the same about tony o'shea, he's played against the pdc boys in the grand slam and managed to do a fair bit of damage.

Its like a lower league team getting the odd upset in the cup.

Tony O Shea is probably a Derby County in top class terms.

think i would back winstanley over o shea.


Close though, perhaps 6-4 if they played 10 matches.

Would love to know the prize money difference for both associations, I imagine the difference is astronomical and makes you wonder why the BDO lot bother at all.

Would love to know the prize money difference for both associations, I imagine the difference is astronomical and makes you wonder why the BDO lot bother at all.

can only speak for the world champs.

Winner in BDO gets £100,000 and PDC gets £200,000

I agree o'shea should have crossed over years ago. Surely u can see my point though, there is 7 or 8 players in this years, and every years bdo worlds, that could do a a job in the pdc. I'm not claiming they can go over and become multiple world champs, I'm just saying they can go over to add more depth, qualify for the pdc tournaments and be in with a fighting chance of getting to the quarter finals. For instance, I'd rather see a tony o'shea or stephen bunting play taylor in the first round of the worlds rather than a magnus caris.

Love darts. But this shite on bbc tests me.
I haven't seen anyone this year who'd cut it in the PDC.

I agree o'shea should have crossed over years ago. Surely u can see my point though, there is 7 or 8 players in this years, and every years bdo worlds, that could do a a job in the pdc. I'm not claiming they can go over and become multiple world champs, I'm just saying they can go over to add more depth, qualify for the pdc tournaments and be in with a fighting chance of getting to the quarter finals. For instance, I'd rather see a tony o'shea or stephen bunting play taylor in the first round of the worlds rather than a magnus caris.

Yes some of the better BDO players would increase the depth quality of the PDC I just dont see any of them being any more than 2nd rounders. The PDC have had all the best players over now, and apart from some youngsters, who I can understand the logic of getting some experience in BDO, as opposed to getting beaten up every tournament in the PDC, then the BDO is just glorified pub darts IMO. Even the walk ons are shit

Love darts. But this shite on bbc tests me.
I haven't seen anyone this year who'd cut it in the PDC.

its gone from 4 or 5, to 7 or 8 players who could move across and cut it every year apparently.

I think every winner of the PDC worlds, started in the BDO. Dont knock grass roots darts...

Would love to know the prize money difference for both associations, I imagine the difference is astronomical and makes you wonder why the BDO lot bother at all.

can only speak for the world champs.

Winner in BDO gets £100,000 and PDC gets £200,000

The PDC money for even getting to each round must be astronomically higher as you have to think that some of the less better players in the PDC would jump over to the BDO to win it, somethings keeping them there.

I think every winner of the PDC worlds, started in the BDO. Dont knock grass roots darts...

well yeah, but there used to be 1 organisation, and the PDC formed from them, so obvious really

I said four or five DO cross over every year whereas 7 or 8 are good enough to cross over imo! I love the pdc and am not much of a fan of the bdo but if u cant see that a fair few of their players are good enough to be competitive in the pdc then you're deluded

Would love to know the prize money difference for both associations, I imagine the difference is astronomical and makes you wonder why the BDO lot bother at all.

can only speak for the world champs.

Winner in BDO gets £100,000 and PDC gets £200,000

The PDC money for even getting to each round must be astronomically higher as you have to think that some of the less better players in the PDC would jump over to the BDO to win it, somethings keeping them there.

yeah i would imagine youare right but i cant be bothered to check

i know scott waites didnt come over a few years ago becuase he couldnt give the time to playing professionally, i think him mum or wife was ill or something, then you get people like martin adams, who could have made a few quid if he jumped ship 10 years ago, instead he was too stubborn to move.

Depends what you class as competetive. I dont see them as any more than 1st / 2nd round players so thats not competing imo.

Apart from Scotty Waites I dont see any players in the bdo who could even get to the quarters of the PDC majors.

Anyone remember the St David's Massacre when the likes of Leighton Rees, Byron Wozencraft, the Rabbi, the Locke brothers etc beat the likes of John Lowe, David Whitcombe, Bobby George, Eric Bristow, Alan Glazier, Tony Brown, Cliff Lazarenko etc?

I can remember Ceri Morgan the welsh player from the 80's.He had a nervous twitch and every so often would throw a wild one mid twitch

Anyone remember the St David's Massacre when the likes of Leighton Rees, Byron Wozencraft, the Rabbi, the Locke brothers etc beat the likes of John Lowe, David Whitcombe, Bobby George, Eric Bristow, Alan Glazier, Tony Brown, Cliff Lazarenko etc?

No but I went to school with Peter Lockes sons.

He murdered Ted Hankey in an exhibition match down my local few months ago.

Well if those players came over and were it will take a bloody good player to knock them out in the first round. And if they are getting knocked out early whilst averaging in the 90's then that is going to drive the standard of the pdc up again. I'd love to see them cross over. Waites, o'shea, harms, green, bunting etc. Unfortunately the players who get to the last four have to give their prize money back to the bdo if they cross over, so its unlikely we'll be seeing scotty waites or wesley harms in the pdc this year