DRAFT LETTER TO CLUB RE: Bluebird

Very Good Chuckles. Do we send as one or do we send on an individual basis? I would like to see it sent on behalf of this forum. Although if you feel it's more effective on an individual basis then that's what I shall do.

Don't send it on my behalf.

Gwyn, surely even you would want the Bluebird to remain right? I shared the same opinion as you on the kit colour and badge but if it doesn't feature the bluebird then it is not Cardiff City FC. Liverpool have had many badges but all have featured the Liverbird. Their fans would go insane if that was taken off the badge. Our fans should do the same.

Exactly.

I honestly thought that having been a fan for so many years, Gwyn more than most would understand the importance of the Bluebird to Cardiff City.

Clearly not.

I am quite happy cutting and pasting the letter with my season ticket number to the club.

If these were then without season ticket details forwarded to a responsible forum member acting as spokesman they could keep a tally of numbers and not personal information.

This would enable us to prove numbers if the club were to disagree.

Also it should, as has been said include travel clubs where the majority of members feel the same way and be across all forums to show a united front.

That's a good letter chuckles..I'm in and I will forward this to my mates

If you read Carls update, instead of this delusional idea you can change a Malaysian billionaires mind,

I asked today for confirmation from a club official that the Bluebird would remain on the badge next season and would the fans still be choosing the badge that the club will have next season, randomly selected fans will be given input into how the badge will look but I was not given the guarantee that the Bluebird will remain. That of course does not mean it will be removed either in fairness but I appreciate that the club official would not and could not put his neck on the line one way or another as it will simply be the decision of man and one man alone whether the Bluebird remains and that of course is Vincent Tan.

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I'm in. I want to know what lies ahead for club's identity.

It's not as if we're demanding changes. We simply wish to know what the club's current plans for next season are.

If you read Carls update, instead of this delusional idea you can change a Malaysian billionaires mind,

I asked today for confirmation from a club official that the Bluebird would remain on the badge next season and would the fans still be choosing the badge that the club will have next season, randomly selected fans will be given input into how the badge will look but I was not given the guarantee that the Bluebird will remain. That of course does not mean it will be removed either in fairness but I appreciate that the club official would not and could not put his neck on the line one way or another as it will simply be the decision of man and one man alone whether the Bluebird remains and that of course is Vincent Tan.

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It's simply a letter requesting to know what's happening before parting with hard earned money. If you don't agree, don't participate. Simple!

If you read Carls update, instead of this delusional idea you can change a Malaysian billionaires mind,

I asked today for confirmation from a club official that the Bluebird would remain on the badge next season and would the fans still be choosing the badge that the club will have next season, randomly selected fans will be given input into how the badge will look but I was not given the guarantee that the Bluebird will remain. That of course does not mean it will be removed either in fairness but I appreciate that the club official would not and could not put his neck on the line one way or another as it will simply be the decision of man and one man alone whether the Bluebird remains and that of course is Vincent Tan.

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What's the harm in trying?

If you read Carls update, instead of this delusional idea you can change a Malaysian billionaires mind,

I asked today for confirmation from a club official that the Bluebird would remain on the badge next season and would the fans still be choosing the badge that the club will have next season, randomly selected fans will be given input into how the badge will look but I was not given the guarantee that the Bluebird will remain. That of course does not mean it will be removed either in fairness but I appreciate that the club official would not and could not put his neck on the line one way or another as it will simply be the decision of man and one man alone whether the Bluebird remains and that of course is Vincent Tan.

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It's simply a letter requesting to know what's happening before parting with hard earned money. If you don't agree, don't participate. Simple!

Why ask to know what's happening, when Carls update tells you what's happening?

If you read Carls update, instead of this delusional idea you can change a Malaysian billionaires mind,

I asked today for confirmation from a club official that the Bluebird would remain on the badge next season and would the fans still be choosing the badge that the club will have next season, randomly selected fans will be given input into how the badge will look but I was not given the guarantee that the Bluebird will remain. That of course does not mean it will be removed either in fairness but I appreciate that the club official would not and could not put his neck on the line one way or another as it will simply be the decision of man and one man alone whether the Bluebird remains and that of course is Vincent Tan.

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It's simply a letter requesting to know what's happening before parting with hard earned money. If you don't agree, don't participate. Simple!

Why ask to know what's happening, when Carls update tells you what's happening?

Carl's update tells me nothing. All it does is add more fuel to the fire that the bluebird could be gone.

With all due respect to Carl, I'd rather have the official line, rather than his unofficial one.

A fool's errand.

I really don't understand why people who don't want to be involved with things like this bother to even comment on it.

Why not just ignore it if you think its pointless?

If thats the case we got the right man for the job in Chuckles

I however believe he (Chuckles) is right and if we sit back and wait we have no power - if it is agreed before we (hopefully) reached the promised land then we, as season ticket holding supporters are needed.

A fool's errand.

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Over the past year, there have been numerous big changes at Cardiff City FC. The majority of fans were not too keen on the changes, but have continued to attend games and support the club.

With all due respect Alex, the bold type I have highlighted is at best an assumption on your part, and at worst misguided information.

As I understand it your "go back to blue" petition runs at just over 1000 signatures. As there are approx. 20,000 ST holders, where do you get the "majority of fans were not too keen on the changes" statement from?

Not wishing to piss on your chips but assumptive statements like that will always be shot down in flames....FACT!

I am the new leader

I really don't understand why people who don't want to be involved with things like this bother to even comment on it.

Why not just ignore it if you think its pointless?

As that idiot Roath used to say, isn't that the whole point of this message board?

Who will this letter be addressed to, in the club?

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Over the past year, there have been numerous big changes at Cardiff City FC. The majority of fans were not too keen on the changes, but have continued to attend games and support the club.

With all due respect Alex, the bold type I have highlighted is at best an assumption on your part, and at worst misguided information.

As I understand it your "go back to blue" petition runs at just over 1000 signatures. As there are approx. 20,000 ST holders, where do you get the "majority of fans were not too keen on the changes" statement from?

Not wishing to piss on your chips but assumptive statements like that will always be shot down in flames....FACT!

I am the new leader

With all due respect, if you read my full post, it states that it's a draft letter and fans can alter/adjust as they see fit.

It's basically a skeleton which anyone can add to. People can write their own letters if they want, this is just for those who want to see how one could be set out.

As I see it, the majority are not keen on the changes - are you telling me that the majority of fans are totally happy about red kit and dragons?

Letters have been suggested to be sent to Simon Lim.

I've posted the address etc in this thread.

Letters have been suggested to be sent to Simon Lim.

I've posted the address etc in this thread.

Alright, well at least he might actualy have the power to respond!

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Over the past year, there have been numerous big changes at Cardiff City FC. The majority of fans were not too keen on the changes, but have continued to attend games and support the club.

With all due respect Alex, the bold type I have highlighted is at best an assumption on your part, and at worst misguided information.

As I understand it your "go back to blue" petition runs at just over 1000 signatures. As there are approx. 20,000 ST holders, where do you get the "majority of fans were not too keen on the changes" statement from?

Not wishing to piss on your chips but assumptive statements like that will always be shot down in flames....FACT!

I am the new leader

With all due respect, if you read my full post, it states that it's a draft letter and fans can alter/adjust as they see fit.

It's basically a skeleton which anyone can add to. People can write their own letters if they want, this is just for those who want to see how one could be set out.

As I see it, the majority are not keen on the changes - are you telling me that the majority of fans are totally happy about red kit and dragons?

With all due respect threefold (we gotta stop this "due respect shit") people can, and will, write what they wish.

The point I was making is that I feel it is misleading to set a draft letter based on an assumption, which as you well know, sheep will follow. After all, we are the sheepshaggers are we not?

May I respectively suggest you drop any tones of "majority" (unless proven) and carry on with standard feeling letters?

Suggest away, as it says. It's a draft and people can amend or edit the letter to their own needs. (which is what I said in the original post, no?)

Suggest away, as it says. It's a draft and people can amend or edit the letter to their own needs. (which is what I said in the original post, no?)

I suggest I go to bed....actually that was the Mrs's shout to me!!!

Whatever happens, we will always be Cardiff City, and nothing will ever change that. Good luck in your endeavours, I wait with bated breath.....but I will never do anything that might disabalise the club I love.....especially after "Black Friday"!

Namaste

Suggest away, as it says. It's a draft and people can amend or edit the letter to their own needs. (which is what I said in the original post, no?)

I suggest I go to bed....actually that was the Mrs's shout to me!!!

Whatever happens, we will always be Cardiff City, and nothing will ever change that. Good luck in your endeavours, I wait with bated breath.....but I will never do anything that might disabalise the club I love.....especially after "Black Friday"!

Namaste

Fair enough and respect you opinion. Feels like every little bit of Cardiff City is being taken away slowly though.

Wouldn't say that sending a letter requesting some information is going to destabilise the club either.

Night.

If you read Carls update, instead of this delusional idea you can change a Malaysian billionaires mind,

I asked today for confirmation from a club official that the Bluebird would remain on the badge next season and would the fans still be choosing the badge that the club will have next season, randomly selected fans will be given input into how the badge will look but I was not given the guarantee that the Bluebird will remain. That of course does not mean it will be removed either in fairness but I appreciate that the club official would not and could not put his neck on the line one way or another as it will simply be the decision of man and one man alone whether the Bluebird remains and that of course is Vincent Tan.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=101572

It's simply a letter requesting to know what's happening before parting with hard earned money. If you don't agree, don't participate. Simple!

Why ask to know what's happening, when Carls update tells you what's happening?

Carl's update tells me nothing. All it does is add more fuel to the fire that the bluebird could be gone.

With all due respect to Carl, I'd rather have the official line, rather than his unofficial one.

It comes from a club official, unless you're accusing Carl of lying in his updates about meetings with Club Officials ?

If you read Carls update, instead of this delusional idea you can change a Malaysian billionaires mind,

I asked today for confirmation from a club official that the Bluebird would remain on the badge next season and would the fans still be choosing the badge that the club will have next season, randomly selected fans will be given input into how the badge will look but I was not given the guarantee that the Bluebird will remain. That of course does not mean it will be removed either in fairness but I appreciate that the club official would not and could not put his neck on the line one way or another as it will simply be the decision of man and one man alone whether the Bluebird remains and that of course is Vincent Tan.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=101572

It's simply a letter requesting to know what's happening before parting with hard earned money. If you don't agree, don't participate. Simple!

Why ask to know what's happening, when Carls update tells you what's happening?

Carl's update tells me nothing. All it does is add more fuel to the fire that the bluebird could be gone.

With all due respect to Carl, I'd rather have the official line, rather than his unofficial one.

It comes from a club official, unless you're accusing Carl of lying in his updates about meetings with Club Officials ?

Genuine question, whats your problem with this idea?

If you don't wanna get involved then fair enough, but it's up to other people to decide whether they want to or not.

Genuine question, whats your problem with this idea?

If you don't wanna get involved then fair enough, but it's up to other people to decide whether they want to or not.

I'd first like to clarify, although I am coming across a bit of a tw*t, I'm not looking for things to turn into a heated argument.

My problem? That despite word from club officials that the future of the badge is down to the fans next season, and no guarantee can be made about the Bluebird, or that the fact that the red kit has become permanent to us now and all the trouble between fans has settled, that there are still some deluded, some just still attached to a respectable love for the clubs old colour who are trying to push another change can although unintentionally cause more problems and disagreement among fans.

I'm in no way trying to stop others doing this, I'm giving fact on this idea

Things have changed, and the club is well aware of fans want for change or the distaste for red, or the distaste of the new badge. The badge and kit cannot change during the league season and it has been said that they will review at the beginning of next.

Leave it at that and support your club, not spend your days moaning about something that cannot yet be changed.

Support your club, not the colour!

If you read Carls update, instead of this delusional idea you can change a Malaysian billionaires mind,

I asked today for confirmation from a club official that the Bluebird would remain on the badge next season and would the fans still be choosing the badge that the club will have next season, randomly selected fans will be given input into how the badge will look but I was not given the guarantee that the Bluebird will remain. That of course does not mean it will be removed either in fairness but I appreciate that the club official would not and could not put his neck on the line one way or another as it will simply be the decision of man and one man alone whether the Bluebird remains and that of course is Vincent Tan.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=101572

It's simply a letter requesting to know what's happening before parting with hard earned money. If you don't agree, don't participate. Simple!

Why ask to know what's happening, when Carls update tells you what's happening?

Carl's update tells me nothing. All it does is add more fuel to the fire that the bluebird could be gone.

With all due respect to Carl, I'd rather have the official line, rather than his unofficial one.

It comes from a club official, unless you're accusing Carl of lying in his updates about meetings with Club Officials ?

A first hand official response from the club is what I'm after. Not an unofficial whisper in the ear from someone. It's that simple.

Any reason for picking apart my every word?

It's up to the individual how they feel about the club.

You may not agree with my viewpoints, doesn't mean you're right or that I'm right.

You have aired your opinion, now let others air theirs.

Genuine question, whats your problem with this idea?

If you don't wanna get involved then fair enough, but it's up to other people to decide whether they want to or not.

I'd first like to clarify, although I am coming across a bit of a tw*t, I'm not looking for things to turn into a heated argument.

My problem? That despite word from club officials that the future of the badge is down to the fans next season, and no guarantee can be made about the Bluebird, or that the fact that the red kit has become permanent to us now and all the trouble between fans has settled, that there are still some deluded, some just still attached to a respectable love for the clubs old colour who are trying to push another change can although unintentionally cause more problems and disagreement among fans.

I'm in no way trying to stop others doing this, I'm giving fact on this idea

Things have changed, and the club is well aware of fans want for change or the distaste for red, or the distaste of the new badge. The badge and kit cannot change during the league season and it has been said that they will review at the beginning of next.

Leave it at that and support your club, not spend your days moaning about something that cannot yet be changed.

Support your club, not the colour!

Even though i disagree with you that it could cause any problems, i do see where youre coming from.

Do you not see though, that the fans that as you say "have a respectable love for the clubs colour" just can't get on with it, can't just accept these changes without a fight? I know I can't.

I still go to the games but it's ripped every bit of enjoyment and passion for the club i had away, i really wish it didnt but the fact is it has and i can't change that. I've tried saying a million times that i'd much rather be one of those who has been able to accept it.

So why shouldn't we do everything we can to change it back y'know? Even if the efforts are doomed to failure, there's no harm in trying.

Genuine question, whats your problem with this idea?

If you don't wanna get involved then fair enough, but it's up to other people to decide whether they want to or not.

I'd first like to clarify, although I am coming across a bit of a tw*t, I'm not looking for things to turn into a heated argument.

My problem? That despite word from club officials that the future of the badge is down to the fans next season, and no guarantee can be made about the Bluebird, or that the fact that the red kit has become permanent to us now and all the trouble between fans has settled, that there are still some deluded, some just still attached to a respectable love for the clubs old colour who are trying to push another change can although unintentionally cause more problems and disagreement among fans.

I'm in no way trying to stop others doing this, I'm giving fact on this idea

Things have changed, and the club is well aware of fans want for change or the distaste for red, or the distaste of the new badge. The badge and kit cannot change during the league season and it has been said that they will review at the beginning of next.

Leave it at that and support your club, not spend your days moaning about something that cannot yet be changed.

Support your club, not the colour!

Even though i disagree with you that it could cause any problems, i do see where youre coming from.

Do you not see though, that the fans that as you say "have a respectable love for the clubs colour" just can't get on with it, can't just accept these changes without a fight? I know I can't.

I still go to the games but it's ripped every bit of enjoyment and passion for the club i had away, i really wish it didnt but the fact is it has and i can't change that. I've tried saying a million times that i'd much rather be one of those who has been able to accept it.

So why shouldn't we do everything we can to change it back y'know? Even if the efforts are doomed to failure, there's no harm in trying.

Look at the trouble caused with the fans who accepted the red?

What happens if (I doubt it will) picks up into a huge majority and people who support the red say they'd rather vote to change following the investment it has brought in, and more arguments break out?

I understand that, and news has been announced that the club are looking into things. By all means e-mail Simon Lin, e-mail the club if in your heart that's what you want to do.

What I disagree with is Alex's rampant propaganda threads that a majority of Cardiff fans agree with him and trying to push people into something they don't want to. Simply state you're sending a letter, ask if others will do the same and move on. Not this "majority of fans" this "many fans" that, "we all feel" crap.

Why should people come on this board and have to read thread after thread, or see title after title (before some smartarse post about they don't have to read the thread) going on about the bloody change and supporters efforts to change back?

So you disagree with it. That's your prerogative - though I'd say you were exaggerating things by calling it "rampant propaganda". Incidentally, can you tell me that the majority are fans who prefer the club in red to blue?

I'm not pushing people to do anything. All I've done is post my letter as an example letter for others to cut and use as they wish. Should they wish to at all?

It would be pretty impressive if I could make people do what I wanted them to do through one letter on a computer screen.

Why should you read all the titles? Quite simple really, because someone has posted them. It's a topic of conversation, like it or not.

I read through people who have differing opinions to me, why shouldn't you?

It is right though, if you don't like the title of the thread, why go in and then complain about it?

I'm not one for the history of our soul crew, but there's many posts on the topic on this forum - just because I don't want to read it, why should they stop posting it?

So you disagree with it. That's your prerogative - though I'd say you were exaggerating things by calling it "rampant propaganda". Incidentally, can you tell me that the majority are fans who prefer the club in red to blue?

I'm not pushing people to do anything. All I've done is post my letter as an example letter for others to cut and use as they wish. Should they wish to at all?

It would be pretty impressive if I could make people do what I wanted them to do through one letter on a computer screen.

Why should you read all the titles? Quite simple really, because someone has posted them. It's a topic of conversation, like it or not.

I read through people who have differing opinions to me, why shouldn't you?

It is right though, if you don't like the title of the thread, why go in and then complain about it?

I'm not one for the history of our soul crew, but there's many posts on the topic on this forum - just because I don't want to read it, why should they stop posting it?

No I cannot tell, and neither can you.
The arrogant style retort really doesn't add much to yourself, might want to drop it before you look sillier than usual.

This is quite contradictory of yourself. I am airing my opinion.

And you really need to learn how to read. I'm not complaining about you wanting to change, I'm complaining about your method.