MAYBE HE WAS NOT AS MAD AS MANY THOUGHT

But where are these so called tens of thousands of fans these days is it really prem football that will get them to support there local side , when we can not sell out weekly as it is now.

sadly mate you have hit nail on head and if we are lucky enough to go up and subsequently get relegated of course all these new fans will drop us like a stone

In their thousands they would disappear.

They deserted at Boro,Hull,Burnley,Leeds,Blackburn etc etc In my opinion they are not real football fans, REAL GLORY HUNTERS WHO I CANT STAND.

Clubs dont really need them in the Premier league, as gate money is a drop in the ocean compared to the Sky money we would receive.

and the exclusive tv/streaming deals in the far east

If we do go up then stay up then 35,000 is the most ideal number for us.

There is not a cat in hells chance that West Ham would bring 5,000 to Cardiff for a run of the mill Premier League game.

If it costs £15m to increase capacity by 8,000 then at £300 per seat on average it would take 6 years to repay the investment. Is it worth it? Lower capacity with high demand means they can push prices up and don't need to invest. I can't see the point in increasing capacity unless they can vastly increase corporate and high value premier club type seats where they can get a better return. That's not what the fans need, judging by current demand it is family stand priced seating that is where the demand is.

If it costs £15m to increase capacity by 8,000 then at £300 per seat on average it would take 6 years to repay the investment. Is it worth it? Lower capacity with high demand means they can push prices up and don't need to invest. I can't see the point in increasing capacity unless they can vastly increase corporate and high value premier club type seats where they can get a better return. That's not what the fans need, judging by current demand it is family stand priced seating that is where the demand is.

thought it was about 6mil to take us to 35k!

If it costs £15m to increase capacity by 8,000 then at £300 per seat on average it would take 6 years to repay the investment. Is it worth it? Lower capacity with high demand means they can push prices up and don't need to invest. I can't see the point in increasing capacity unless they can vastly increase corporate and high value premier club type seats where they can get a better return. That's not what the fans need, judging by current demand it is family stand priced seating that is where the demand is.

thought it was about 6mil to take us to 35k!

I thought it was more than that put aside in Tan's investment plan but I can't find the figure. I also thought that Carl had done an update where he said the cost estimates had increased but I can't find that figure either.

But where are these so called tens of thousands of fans these days is it really prem football that will get them to support there local side , when we can not sell out weekly as it is now.

sadly mate you have hit nail on head and if we are lucky enough to go up and subsequently get relegated of course all these new fans will drop us like a stone

In their thousands they would disappear.

They deserted at Boro,Hull,Burnley,Leeds,Blackburn etc etc In my opinion they are not real football fans, REAL GLORY HUNTERS WHO I CANT STAND.

Clubs dont really need them in the Premier league, as gate money is a drop in the ocean compared to the Sky money we would receive.

Seriously, do you think we would be dropped in the same way?

Easy get 40,000+ for games against the likes of Man U, Liverpool, Chelsea etc if the ground was big enough but
would be back to 25-28,000 for the likes of Fulham, Wigan etc, maybe even less.

Not if as club officials believe, we could sell 35,000 season tickets.

Which begs the question "why don't they add the extra 8,000 seats this summer rather than wait until we've survived our first season in the Prem?? Plans could be drawn up now in readiness for promotion this season. With a bit of luck it could be confirmed mid April giving almost 4 months to get the work done.

If it costs £15m to increase capacity by 8,000 then at £300 per seat on average it would take 6 years to repay the investment. Is it worth it? Lower capacity with high demand means they can push prices up and don't need to invest. I can't see the point in increasing capacity unless they can vastly increase corporate and high value premier club type seats where they can get a better return. That's not what the fans need, judging by current demand it is family stand priced seating that is where the demand is.

thought it was about 6mil to take us to 35k!

£12m originally put aside in Tan's plan, taken from here

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/footballna ... 1185062/3/

If it costs £15m to increase capacity by 8,000 then at £300 per seat on average it would take 6 years to repay the investment. Is it worth it? Lower capacity with high demand means they can push prices up and don't need to invest. I can't see the point in increasing capacity unless they can vastly increase corporate and high value premier club type seats where they can get a better return. That's not what the fans need, judging by current demand it is family stand priced seating that is where the demand is.

thought it was about 6mil to take us to 35k!

I thought it was more than that put aside in Tan's investment plan but I can't find the figure. I also thought that Carl had done an update where he said the cost estimates had increased but I can't find that figure either.

don't think it was said how much for stadium just other bits! ]#

just took look at link if my maths is right it would be over 100mil so something wrong with what they said!

If it costs £15m to increase capacity by 8,000 then at £300 per seat on average it would take 6 years to repay the investment. Is it worth it? Lower capacity with high demand means they can push prices up and don't need to invest. I can't see the point in increasing capacity unless they can vastly increase corporate and high value premier club type seats where they can get a better return. That's not what the fans need, judging by current demand it is family stand priced seating that is where the demand is.

thought it was about 6mil to take us to 35k!

I thought it was more than that put aside in Tan's investment plan but I can't find the figure. I also thought that Carl had done an update where he said the cost estimates had increased but I can't find that figure either.

don't think it was said how much for stadium just other bits! ]#

just took look at link if my maths is right it would be over 100mil so something wrong with what they said!

Halfway down the walesonline link it says

In addition to this, we have budgeted £10 million for the new Premier League standard training facilities and £12 million to increase the stadium capacity by an additional 8,000 seats to 35,000 seats.

Read more: Wales Online http://www.walesonline.co.uk/footballna ... z2H35xvs9j

If it costs £15m to increase capacity by 8,000 then at £300 per seat on average it would take 6 years to repay the investment. Is it worth it? Lower capacity with high demand means they can push prices up and don't need to invest. I can't see the point in increasing capacity unless they can vastly increase corporate and high value premier club type seats where they can get a better return. That's not what the fans need, judging by current demand it is family stand priced seating that is where the demand is.

thought it was about 6mil to take us to 35k!

I thought it was more than that put aside in Tan's investment plan but I can't find the figure. I also thought that Carl had done an update where he said the cost estimates had increased but I can't find that figure either.

don't think it was said how much for stadium just other bits! ]#

just took look at link if my maths is right it would be over 100mil so something wrong with what they said!

Halfway down the walesonline link it says

In addition to this, we have budgeted £10 million for the new Premier League standard training facilities and £12 million to increase the stadium capacity by an additional 8,000 seats to 35,000 seats.

Read more: Wales Online http://www.walesonline.co.uk/footballna ... z2H35xvs9j

yes read that but if you add up amounts put in article it comes to about 120mil not 100 mil, its the 22 mil at end that takes it over, but maybe its way I read it?

If it costs £15m to increase capacity by 8,000 then at £300 per seat on average it would take 6 years to repay the investment. Is it worth it? Lower capacity with high demand means they can push prices up and don't need to invest. I can't see the point in increasing capacity unless they can vastly increase corporate and high value premier club type seats where they can get a better return. That's not what the fans need, judging by current demand it is family stand priced seating that is where the demand is.

thought it was about 6mil to take us to 35k!

I thought it was more than that put aside in Tan's investment plan but I can't find the figure. I also thought that Carl had done an update where he said the cost estimates had increased but I can't find that figure either.

don't think it was said how much for stadium just other bits! ]#

just took look at link if my maths is right it would be over 100mil so something wrong with what they said!

Halfway down the walesonline link it says

In addition to this, we have budgeted £10 million for the new Premier League standard training facilities and £12 million to increase the stadium capacity by an additional 8,000 seats to 35,000 seats.

Read more: Wales Online http://www.walesonline.co.uk/footballna ... z2H35xvs9j

yes read that but if you add up amounts put in article it comes to about 120mil not 100 mil, its the 22 mil at end that takes it over, but maybe its way I read it?

It's £40.8m invested prior to the start of this season, £25m for this season, £10m for Langston, £10m for training facility, £12m for stadium expansion and £2.2m contingency to take it to £100m. Personally I think Tan will be pretty happy if he can get Cardiff into the premiership for £65.8m. Will still have Langston to deal with and not what he was hoping to have to spend when we were playing Blackpool in May 2010 but I still think he would be happy with that. Let's keep hoping

Carl, not sure if you've seen the market research report but yeah, 40,000 is the conservative estimate for Prem games.

But where are these so called tens of thousands of fans these days is it really prem football that will get them to support there local side , when we can not sell out weekly as it is now.

sadly mate you have hit nail on head and if we are lucky enough to go up and subsequently get relegated of course all these new fans will drop us like a stone

In their thousands they would disappear.

They deserted at Boro,Hull,Burnley,Leeds,Blackburn etc etc In my opinion they are not real football fans, REAL GLORY HUNTERS WHO I CANT STAND.

Clubs dont really need them in the Premier league, as gate money is a drop in the ocean compared to the Sky money we would receive.

Not being funny Annis but not everyone can afford to make all the games. I think that's very unfair saying that.

Of course, they may also look at another, larger stadium.

Easy get 40,000+ for games against the likes of Man U, Liverpool, Chelsea etc if the ground was big enough but
would be back to 25-28,000 for the likes of Fulham, Wigan etc, maybe even less.

Not if as club officials believe, we could sell 35,000 season tickets.

Which begs the question "why don't they add the extra 8,000 seats this summer rather than wait until we've survived our first season in the Prem?? Plans could be drawn up now in readiness for promotion this season. With a bit of luck it could be confirmed mid April giving almost 4 months to get the work done.

New training ground/Debt in to equity/shares/pay off Langston/Bring our debt down/Stadium capacity increase Hmm

If tickets were £10-15 we'd fill the Millennium Stadium. The same pricing structure as Dortmund. They had 3 years in the bottom half of the Bundesliga and still sold out before someone tells me of how they are always successful. Fans will turn up if the price is right. More people used to go to the cinema when it was cheaper. Now its like £10 per ticket people are put off and most people I know torrent. Simple, get the pricing structure correct.

You realise this german football tickets are cheap is a myth now??

It used to be cheaper but its standard pricing now compared to a regular prem team.

Having been to dortmund a good few times, I can tell you that even though they have a select few tickets at under 20 euro, most are priced between 34-50 euro, around the ground. And against any half decent team they add on 20%.

You're very lucky to ever grab a standing ticket, and the standing season tickets at 225e are like rocking house sh#te. The average season ticket price is about 500e. So about 400£.

If we had a stadium big enough, let's say 50,000 for arguments sake and we had 35,000+ season ticket holders, I reckon there are 10 teams who would bring over 5,000 away fans if we allowed them that many tickets.

Man Utd, Chelsea, Everton, Tottenham, Arsenal, Man City, Swansea, Aston Villa, Liverpool, Newcastle and West Ham.

Some of those teams would probably bring more too.

If that's the case then our average would be over 40,000 and in those figures we have not taken into account a general sale/walk up crowd either, so potential is there to be well over 40,000.

Newcastle only took 1500 to swansea, villa a few days ago only took 1000 to swansea, only two would definitely take 5000 fans man utd, liverpool, forget swansea police would not let 5000 jacks travel.

But where are these so called tens of thousands of fans these days is it really prem football that will get them to support there local side , when we can not sell out weekly as it is now.

sadly mate you have hit nail on head and if we are lucky enough to go up and subsequently get relegated of course all these new fans will drop us like a stone

In their thousands they would disappear.

They deserted at Boro,Hull,Burnley,Leeds,Blackburn etc etc In my opinion they are not real football fans, REAL GLORY HUNTERS WHO I CANT STAND.

Clubs dont really need them in the Premier league, as gate money is a drop in the ocean compared to the Sky money we would receive.

Nail on the head there Annis! and that answers Barnett's theory of selling out a millenium stadium at the right price entrance fee! - the reason there won't be any cheaper price ammendments, is because in the premier league they won't need to!!!!

Easy get 40,000+ for games against the likes of Man U, Liverpool, Chelsea etc if the ground was big enough but
would be back to 25-28,000 for the likes of Fulham, Wigan etc, maybe even less.

Not if as club officials believe, we could sell 35,000 season tickets.

Which begs the question "why don't they add the extra 8,000 seats this summer rather than wait until we've survived our first season in the Prem?? Plans could be drawn up now in readiness for promotion this season. With a bit of luck it could be confirmed mid April giving almost 4 months to get the work done.

New training ground/Debt in to equity/shares/pay off Langston/Bring our debt down/Stadium capacity increase Hmm

If we get to the premiership does the necessity to do all these things become less and less. As a business man I am quite conservative so I wouldn't be quick to think now we've got good money come in I will invest in new training ground/stadium expansion etc. I'd be thinking that I have invested £65m and now I'll just take the 7% interest out of the company each year for myself (about £5m per year in the premiership) and Langston doesn't need paying off until 2016 so I'll worry about that then. Leaves me more money for wages and transfers which is what will help keep us in the premier league and making the club a profit each year which looks good on paper.

I hope VT would be slightly more ambitious than me. Also if we get promoted does the £5m bonus to Langston become payable immediately or in 2016 when the whole lot is meant to be paid off?

anyone who thinks SWP will let 5,000 swans fans go to cardiff away next season needs their head examined

anyone who thinks SWP will let 5,000 swans fans go to cardiff away next season needs their head examined

cannot do that many anyway, as capacity for away fans is far less than 5k!
unless use ms!

haha thats what i was getting at. 60 thousand cardiff fans and 5 thousand swans fans....not sure anyones got the policing budget for that badboy

haha thats what i was getting at. 60 thousand cardiff fans and 5 thousand swans fans....not sure anyones got the policing budget for that badboy

custers last stand comes to mind! or maybe the Alamo? or even anfield 78 Scotland, I was there!

If we had a stadium big enough, let's say 50,000 for arguments sake and we had 35,000+ season ticket holders, I reckon there are 10 teams who would bring over 5,000 away fans if we allowed them that many tickets.

Man Utd, Chelsea, Everton, Tottenham, Arsenal, Man City, Swansea, Aston Villa, Liverpool, Newcastle and West Ham.

Some of those teams would probably bring more too.

If that's the case then our average would be over 40,000 and in those figures we have not taken into account a general sale/walk up crowd either, so potential is there to be well over 40,000.

Newcastle only took 1500 to swansea, villa a few days ago only took 1000 to swansea, only two would definitely take 5000 fans man utd, liverpool, forget swansea police would not let 5000 jacks travel.

You lot wouldnt bring 5000 to the capital.