doverblue can go do one, simple

Which was the case WELL before the rebrand. As demonstrated when we won FAMILY CLUB OF THE YEAR. We were still in blue then! (Shock, horror!)

The reason more families are down there is due to the ground set up. Modern facilities - have you taken a look around the family stand? It's incredible for kids etc.

Naff all to do with the red.

Nonsense. There are loads of kids in red in town, in the suburbs of Cardiff etc. Much more people wearing the red kit with pride than the blue kit.

Stop talking nonsense

I have seen a few about, but if anyone wants to get a clipboard out and drive around Cardiff counting, then fill ya boots!

I've seen loads near where I live and there are loads in Aberystwyth as well wearing the red kit with pride every time City play.

How fickle.

Which is the point. Thats fans for you in the modern era. Get used to it.

You also claim we haven't got rid of any tradition.

Apart from the fact we've always worn blue shirts since Cardiff City FC was formed?

You enjoy wearing your red shirt.

You also claim we haven't got rid of any tradition.

Apart from the fact we've always worn blue shirts since Cardiff City FC was formed?

You enjoy wearing your red shirt.

I will enjoy wearing it. I am proud to wear it, it represents my City, my hometown and birthplace and the club I support.

Which was the case WELL before the rebrand. As demonstrated when we won FAMILY CLUB OF THE YEAR. We were still in blue then! (Shock, horror!)

The reason more families are down there is due to the ground set up. Modern facilities - have you taken a look around the family stand? It's incredible for kids etc.

Naff all to do with the red.

Which is another point he made....get the product right.

Tans idea's in the first place.

No, he's making the point that it's all down to the red, whereas I'm saying its not.

My example being of winning that award whilst still wearing that dreadful blue.

Lol, fair point. I hate the red, but as much as I hate it, the OP has some points about how we will be changed.
I think most of us know he's right about a lot of what he posted, but don't want to admit it.
IF we go up, Tan will be loved by most. If we gain promotion at home, he will be on the pitch taking all the plaudits and everyone clapping him.
Would love to go back to blue (and I think we will one day) but it's not going to be for a while yet.

How fickle.

But that's the point the OP is making. Fickle and short memories.

Not really. He's kinda promoting the "good" of this rebrand in giving us a new image. Which is a load of rubbish.

barry he does have a point about reasons for tan changing colours! may not be to everyones tastes but fact is lots of businesses (yes we are a business) change image some succeed some fail plenty exsamples of that fact! its not to everyones tastes but you cant hide fact that as a club our image as improved no end.

You also claim we haven't got rid of any tradition.

Apart from the fact we've always worn blue shirts since Cardiff City FC was formed?

You enjoy wearing your red shirt.

I will enjoy wearing it. I am proud to wear it, it represents my City, my hometown and birthplace and the club I support.

It represents Malaysia pal, but fill your boots.

You also claim we haven't got rid of any tradition.

Apart from the fact we've always worn blue shirts since Cardiff City FC was formed?

You enjoy wearing your red shirt.

I will enjoy wearing it. I am proud to wear it, it represents my City, my hometown and birthplace and the club I support.

It represents Malaysia pal, but fill your boots.

I won't wear it, but it is Cardiff City's shirt.
Cardiff City is being kept afloat and thriving on Malaysian money. Fact.

Which was the case WELL before the rebrand. As demonstrated when we won FAMILY CLUB OF THE YEAR. We were still in blue then! (Shock, horror!)

The reason more families are down there is due to the ground set up. Modern facilities - have you taken a look around the family stand? It's incredible for kids etc.

Naff all to do with the red.

Which is another point he made....get the product right.

Tans idea's in the first place.

No, he's making the point that it's all down to the red, whereas I'm saying its not.

My example being of winning that award whilst still wearing that dreadful blue.

Lol, fair point. I hate the red, but as much as I hate it, the OP has some points about how we will be changed.
I think most of us know he's right about a lot of what he posted, but don't want to admit it.
IF we go up, Tan will be loved by most. If we gain promotion at home, he will be on the pitch taking all the plaudits and everyone clapping him.
Would love to go back to blue (and I think we will one day) but it's not going to be for a while yet.

I have just come to the point where I have accepted its our fate. We can scream, kick up a fuss but deep down we know from a business sense it had to be done. I still know of people who wont take their children as pathetic as it sounds. Even after saying its different down there these days and some parents just won't take their kids because of the past. Only the future can fix that and we need to make sure our image in the future is the right one that appeals to those who want to watch football in a safe environment and know its going to be safe.

You also claim we haven't got rid of any tradition.

Apart from the fact we've always worn blue shirts since Cardiff City FC was formed?

You enjoy wearing your red shirt.

I will enjoy wearing it. I am proud to wear it, it represents my City, my hometown and birthplace and the club I support.

It represents Malaysia pal, but fill your boots.

I won't wear it, but it is Cardiff City's shirt.
Cardiff City is being kept afloat and thriving on Malaysian money. Fact.

That shirt represents Malaysia more than The City of Cardiff.

You also claim we haven't got rid of any tradition.

Apart from the fact we've always worn blue shirts since Cardiff City FC was formed?

You enjoy wearing your red shirt.

I will enjoy wearing it. I am proud to wear it, it represents my City, my hometown and birthplace and the club I support.

It represents Malaysia pal, but fill your boots.

No it doesn't. It represents Cardiff City FC.

How fickle.

But that's the point the OP is making. Fickle and short memories.

Not really. He's kinda promoting the "good" of this rebrand in giving us a new image. Which is a load of rubbish.

barry he does have a point about reasons for tan changing colours! may not be to everyones tastes but fact is lots of businesses (yes we are a business) change image some succeed some fail plenty exsamples of that fact! its not to everyones tastes but you cant hide fact that as a club our image as improved no end.

Yes, but it's not because of the rebrand, it's because of hard work which went on BEFORE the rebrand & before Tan was involved!

Cardiff have been working on their image for years and to suddenly credit it to the rebrand is shockingly naive.

You also claim we haven't got rid of any tradition.

Apart from the fact we've always worn blue shirts since Cardiff City FC was formed?

You enjoy wearing your red shirt.

I will enjoy wearing it. I am proud to wear it, it represents my City, my hometown and birthplace and the club I support.

It represents Malaysia pal, but fill your boots.

No it doesn't. It represents Cardiff City FC.

It represents everything that's wrong with football.

Call me what the f**k you like the rebrand ,the badge and playing in red doesnt bother me one bit.
Would i rather us go back to blue? Yes.
Would i like us to be in the premiership? YES
Would i still go and support cardiff city if we went into admin and dropped a few leagues? YES
But to me its about going to games with my kids and enjoy the game the rebrand is not an important part of my life so it doesnt bother me..

Call me what the f**k you like the rebrand ,the badge and playing in red doesnt bother me one bit.
Would i rather us go back to blue? Yes.
Would i like us to be in the premiership? YES
Would i still go and support cardiff city if we went into admin and dropped a few leagues? YES
But to me its about going to games with my kids and enjoy the game the rebrand is not an important part of my life so it doesnt bother me..

And you Sir, represent most of our fans and I feel the same way.

How fickle.

But that's the point the OP is making. Fickle and short memories.

Not really. He's kinda promoting the "good" of this rebrand in giving us a new image. Which is a load of rubbish.

barry he does have a point about reasons for tan changing colours! may not be to everyones tastes but fact is lots of businesses (yes we are a business) change image some succeed some fail plenty exsamples of that fact! its not to everyones tastes but you cant hide fact that as a club our image as improved no end.

Yes, but it's not because of the rebrand, it's because of hard work which went on BEFORE the rebrand & before Tan was involved!

Cardiff have been working on their image for years and to suddenly credit it to the rebrand is shockingly naive.

And that in a nutshell is where the clever businessman Mr Tan has made it to look like it was he who changed it. Not Naive, just fallen for the workings of a clever businessman.

Call me what the f**k you like the rebrand ,the badge and playing in red doesnt bother me one bit.
Would i rather us go back to blue? Yes.
Would i like us to be in the premiership? YES
Would i still go and support cardiff city if we went into admin and dropped a few leagues? YES
But to me its about going to games with my kids and enjoy the game the rebrand is not an important part of my life so it doesnt bother me..

And you Sir, represent most of our fans and I feel the same way.

How fickle.

But that's the point the OP is making. Fickle and short memories.

Not really. He's kinda promoting the "good" of this rebrand in giving us a new image. Which is a load of rubbish.

barry he does have a point about reasons for tan changing colours! may not be to everyones tastes but fact is lots of businesses (yes we are a business) change image some succeed some fail plenty exsamples of that fact! its not to everyones tastes but you cant hide fact that as a club our image as improved no end.

Yes, but it's not because of the rebrand, it's because of hard work which went on BEFORE the rebrand & before Tan was involved!

Cardiff have been working on their image for years and to suddenly credit it to the rebrand is shockingly naive.

And that in a nutshell is where the clever businessman Mr Tan has made it to look like it was he who changed it. Not Naive, just fallen for the workings of a clever businessman.

Which itself, is naive.

But that's the point the OP is making. Fickle and short memories. [/quote]

Not really. He's kinda promoting the "good" of this rebrand in giving us a new image. Which is a load of rubbish.[/quote]

barry he does have a point about reasons for tan changing colours! may not be to everyones tastes but fact is lots of businesses (yes we are a business) change image some succeed some fail plenty exsamples of that fact! its not to everyones tastes but you cant hide fact that as a club our image as improved no end. [/quote]

Yes, but it's not because of the rebrand, it's because of hard work which went on BEFORE the rebrand & before Tan was involved!

Cardiff have been working on their image for years and to suddenly credit it to the rebrand is shockingly naive.[/quote]

And that in a nutshell is where the clever businessman Mr Tan has made it to look like it was he who changed it. Not Naive, just fallen for the workings of a clever businessman.[/quote]

Which itself, is naive.[/quote]

Yeah, okay then, but Tan still gets the credit.
That's whats being said here.
Tan will be the hero in most fans eyes. That's the very thing the OP is on about!

He's not the hero though, is he? He never will be because of what he's done.

Had he done it without the colour change, he would be.

Fans don't sing his name - or request the ayatollah. More of a polite applause when he's mentioned.

He's not the hero though, is he? He never will be because of what he's done.

Had he done it without the colour change, he would be.

Fans don't sing his name - or request the ayatollah. More of a polite applause when he's mentioned.

What the OP is saying is that the re-brand will be the hero (but Tans idea).

You don't see what he is saying do you...lol.
Never mind, forget it...

He's not the hero though, is he? He never will be because of what he's done.

Had he done it without the colour change, he would be.

Fans don't sing his name - or request the ayatollah. More of a polite applause when he's mentioned.

What the OP is saying is that the re-brand will be the hero (but Tans idea).

You don't see what he is saying do you...lol.
Never mind, forget it...

You don't see what I'm saying do you?

Big game today!!!!

maybe it was started before tan! but not that long before he came, and no one will remember who started improvements as there was no one in particular you could name is there? so tan will get plaudits right or wrong that is life. remember rick wright and junior bluebirds! forgotten now as in past, its the present that counts for majority of fans and don't forget tan as put the money in to improve things (I know loans ) but at the moment its his own money, and besides as stated before leeds changed things to boost there image and it worked for them! personally I think this subject as run its course as have been here worn red/blue shirt many times before! so no one is right or wrong!!

Big game today!!!!

Exactly.

maybe it was started before tan! but not that long before he came, and no one will remember who started improvements as there was no one in particular you could name is there? so tan will get plaudits right or wrong that is life. remember rick wright and junior bluebirds! forgotten now as in past, its the present that counts for majority of fans and don't forget tan as put the money in to improve things (I know loans ) but at the moment its his own money, and besides as stated before leeds changed things to boost there image and it worked for them! personally I think this subject as run its course as have been here worn red/blue shirt many times before! so no one is right or wrong!!

Tan getting the plaudits would be wrong, but you're right the majority will see it as him. Just shows their naivety really.

He's not the hero though, is he? He never will be because of what he's done.

Had he done it without the colour change, he would be.

Fans don't sing his name - or request the ayatollah. More of a polite applause when he's mentioned.

What the OP is saying is that the re-brand will be the hero (but Tans idea).

You don't see what he is saying do you...lol.
Never mind, forget it...

You don't see what I'm saying do you?

I do, but you're in the minority. Proof is in the gates of late.
IF we get promoted, VT/TG/Malaysians/re-brand will get the plaudits.
Stadium will be full. It pains me to see the red, but it will happen.

15.00 Kick off.

maybe it was started before tan! but not that long before he came, and no one will remember who started improvements as there was no one in particular you could name is there? so tan will get plaudits right or wrong that is life. remember rick wright and junior bluebirds! forgotten now as in past, its the present that counts for majority of fans and don't forget tan as put the money in to improve things (I know loans ) but at the moment its his own money, and besides as stated before leeds changed things to boost there image and it worked for them! personally I think this subject as run its course as have been here worn red/blue shirt many times before! so no one is right or wrong!!

Tan getting the plaudits would be wrong, but you're right the majority will see it as him. Just shows their naivety really.

don't think its naivety just perceptions, basically every city fan wants success not sure it matters to them how we achieve it, (other than name change) it will be ok for vast majority, that is football today like it or not nothing is going to change it

He's not the hero though, is he? He never will be because of what he's done.

Had he done it without the colour change, he would be.

Fans don't sing his name - or request the ayatollah. More of a polite applause when he's mentioned.

What the OP is saying is that the re-brand will be the hero (but Tans idea).

You don't see what he is saying do you...lol.
Never mind, forget it...

You don't see what I'm saying do you?

I do, but you're in the minority. Proof is in the gates of late.
IF we get promoted, VT/TG/Malaysians/re-brand will get the plaudits.
Stadium will be full. It pains me to see the red, but it will happen.

15.00 Kick off.

Our average so far is actually down on averages from a few seasons ago, when we were still in that ghastly violent blue!

Promotion won't be because of the rebrand, it will be because of the investment (the rebrand was guilt tripped into being accepted along with it)

Anyway. 15:00

maybe it was started before tan! but not that long before he came, and no one will remember who started improvements as there was no one in particular you could name is there? so tan will get plaudits right or wrong that is life. remember rick wright and junior bluebirds! forgotten now as in past, its the present that counts for majority of fans and don't forget tan as put the money in to improve things (I know loans ) but at the moment its his own money, and besides as stated before leeds changed things to boost there image and it worked for them! personally I think this subject as run its course as have been here worn red/blue shirt many times before! so no one is right or wrong!!

Tan getting the plaudits would be wrong, but you're right the majority will see it as him. Just shows their naivety really.

don't think its naivety just perceptions, basically every city fan wants success not sure it matters to them how we achieve it, (other than name change) it will be ok for vast majority, that is football today like it or not nothing is going to change it

Please don't say every city fan wants success no matter at what cost, because that's wrong.

The majority may not care how it's achieved, but not EVERY fan.