OT: Henry Nowak handcuffing?

"producing equality of policing outcomes... does not mean treating everyone 'the same' or being 'colour blind'...". That's from the police action plan in Hampshire. It speaks for itself yet some think two tier policing isn't a thing

Yet more non white British people are arrested than white British.

But don't let the facts get in the way.

79% of those arrested are white
7% are black
Where do you get your facts from?

Going by what I heard a police chief say on the radio the other day while I was on the way up to Makerfield, to be fair I may have misheard him going by that.

Jock is correct with his numbers. How ever it’s no like for like as the population is mainly white now if we break it down
.94% of white people get arrested against 2.04% of black people strange how that got omitted almost as if those figures don’t back up the agenda.

I may be being cynical.

If the general public are so supportive of Farage's view on this horrible case, then why is the Reform candidate trailing in the polls in Makerfield (especially as Labour are so unpopular right now)? Why are they not expected to win the two by-elections in Scotland either?

Because thankfully, the majority of UK citizens were appalled by Farage's response.

"producing equality of policing outcomes... does not mean treating everyone 'the same' or being 'colour blind'...". That's from the police action plan in Hampshire. It speaks for itself yet some think two tier policing isn't a thing

Yet more non white British people are arrested than white British.

But don't let the facts get in the way.

79% of those arrested are white
7% are black
Where do you get your facts from?

Going by what I heard a police chief say on the radio the other day while I was on the way up to Makerfield, to be fair I may have misheard him going by that.

Jock is correct with his numbers. How ever it’s no like for like as the population is mainly white now if we break it down
.94% of white people get arrested against 2.04% of black people strange how that got omitted almost as if those figures don’t back up the agenda.

I may be being cynical.

If the general public are so supportive of Farage's view on this horrible case, then why is the Reform candidate trailing in the polls in Makerfield (especially as Labour are so unpopular right now)? Why are they not expected to win the two by-elections in Scotland either?

Because thankfully, the majority of UK citizens were appalled by Farage's response.

I think you are fully aware that Manchester is about as far left as you can get in this country. I'm hopeful Burnham gets in, kicks two tier Keir out and we can get the snap election this country desperately needs

If the general public are so supportive of Farage's view on this horrible case, then why is the Reform candidate trailing in the polls in Makerfield (especially as Labour are so unpopular right now)? Why are they not expected to win the two by-elections in Scotland either?

Because thankfully, the majority of UK citizens were appalled by Farage's response.

I think you are fully aware that Manchester is about as far left as you can get in this country. I'm hopeful Burnham gets in, kicks two tier Keir out and we can get the snap election this country desperately needs

Then why did Reform win in the local elections in Makerfield? How can they have won that but as quick as this is after that, they're not leading in the polls in the by election?

Because people aren't happy with how Farage exploited a horrific case like this.

"producing equality of policing outcomes... does not mean treating everyone 'the same' or being 'colour blind'...". That's from the police action plan in Hampshire. It speaks for itself yet some think two tier policing isn't a thing

Yet more non white British people are arrested than white British.

But don't let the facts get in the way.

79% of those arrested are white
7% are black
Where do you get your facts from?

Going by what I heard a police chief say on the radio the other day while I was on the way up to Makerfield, to be fair I may have misheard him going by that.

Jock is correct with his numbers. How ever it’s no like for like as the population is mainly white now if we break it down
.94% of white people get arrested against 2.04% of black people strange how that got omitted almost as if those figures don’t back up the agenda.

I may be being cynical.

I just told you bare stats don’t paint the full picture. What’s the stats on working class white kids and working class black kids

If the general public are so supportive of Farage's view on this horrible case, then why is the Reform candidate trailing in the polls in Makerfield (especially as Labour are so unpopular right now)? Why are they not expected to win the two by-elections in Scotland either?

Because thankfully, the majority of UK citizens were appalled by Farage's response.

I think you are fully aware that Manchester is about as far left as you can get in this country. I'm hopeful Burnham gets in, kicks two tier Keir out and we can get the snap election this country desperately needs

Then why did Reform win in the local elections in Makerfield? How can they have won that but as quick as this is after that, they're not leading in the polls in the by election?

Because people aren't happy with how Farage exploited a horrific case like this.

Burnham is a very well known and liked politician in the area and nationally. If you think Farage's statement about what happened did anything but increase his standing your off your head. Whipping up division is the most blatant spin you will ever see and people are wise to it. Labour where all over BLM nationwide rioting and destruction how was that not divisive behaviour?

If the general public are so supportive of Farage's view on this horrible case, then why is the Reform candidate trailing in the polls in Makerfield (especially as Labour are so unpopular right now)? Why are they not expected to win the two by-elections in Scotland either?

Because thankfully, the majority of UK citizens were appalled by Farage's response.

I think you are fully aware that Manchester is about as far left as you can get in this country. I'm hopeful Burnham gets in, kicks two tier Keir out and we can get the snap election this country desperately needs

Then why did Reform win in the local elections in Makerfield? How can they have won that but as quick as this is after that, they're not leading in the polls in the by election?

Because people aren't happy with how Farage exploited a horrific case like this.

Burnham is a very well known and liked politician in the area and nationally. If you think Farage's statement about what happened did anything but increase his standing your off your head. Whipping up division is the most blatant spin you will ever see and people are wise to it. Labour where all over BLM nationwide rioting and destruction how was that not divisive behaviour?

The whole thing with Labour and BLM was divisive behaviour, I agree. I said earlier in this thread I didn't like it. Just as I don't like this from Farage.

It irritates me that some people think they have to back everything their side do.

That's why I call them braindead. They've lost the ability to think for themselves.

No two tier policing, my arse

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article- ... fters.html

No two tier policing, my arse

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article- ... fters.html

Doesn’t matter how obvious it is, the faux left won’t have it. I hope the shop worker gets a good barrister and sues the keystone cop clowns, who arrested him/her.

If the general public are so supportive of Farage's view on this horrible case, then why is the Reform candidate trailing in the polls in Makerfield (especially as Labour are so unpopular right now)? Why are they not expected to win the two by-elections in Scotland either?

Because thankfully, the majority of UK citizens were appalled by Farage's response.

I think you are fully aware that Manchester is about as far left as you can get in this country. I'm hopeful Burnham gets in, kicks two tier Keir out and we can get the snap election this country desperately needs

Then why did Reform win in the local elections in Makerfield? How can they have won that but as quick as this is after that, they're not leading in the polls in the by election?

Because people aren't happy with how Farage exploited a horrific case like this.

Burnham is a very well known and liked politician in the area and nationally. If you think Farage's statement about what happened did anything but increase his standing your off your head. Whipping up division is the most blatant spin you will ever see and people are wise to it. Labour where all over BLM nationwide rioting and destruction how was that not divisive behaviour?

The whole thing with Labour and BLM was divisive behaviour, I agree. I said earlier in this thread I didn't like it. Just as I don't like this from Farage.

It irritates me that some people think they have to back everything their side do.

That's why I call them braindead. They've lost the ability to think for themselves.

I see nothing wrong with any of it to be honest, nothing much has really happened a few skirmishes outside police stations so what? Same for people on the left with protests over Palestine, more power to them. BLM was ridiculous and their behaviour was not just excused but encouraged,this is the environment the media and the current government has encouraged. You reap what you sow. Calling Farage out for anything at this point is ludicrous, it's the pot calling the kettle black

MSM at its best again pushing its agenda. So should police ignore reports crimes by members of the public or should they investigate, like on this occasion and the guy was out in two to three hours so I’d say he been arrested taken to the station processed and released within 2-3 hours. I’d say that’s the opposite of two tier policing they let him go when they established there was nothing to answer. But hey let’s not look at it like that we feel much more comfortable being victims (snowflakes). Shows to be the system is working. If he been taken to custody held there 36hrs taken to court remanded then I’d say there’s a case for two tier policing. This is just the system working. Nothing to see here.

No two tier policing, my arse

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article- ... fters.html

From the Mail

Yeah because that's really a impartial source

"producing equality of policing outcomes... does not mean treating everyone 'the same' or being 'colour blind'...". That's from the police action plan in Hampshire. It speaks for itself yet some think two tier policing isn't a thing

Yet more non white British people are arrested than white British.

But don't let the facts get in the way.

79% of those arrested are white
7% are black
Where do you get your facts from?

Going by what I heard a police chief say on the radio the other day while I was on the way up to Makerfield, to be fair I may have misheard him going by that.

So your entire argument, where you called people "brainless and stupid" for talking about two-tier policing, was based on a statistic you literally just made up because you half-heard something on the car radio? Unbelievable.

Next time you want to lecture people on "facts," make sure you actually have some.

The official data shows that the overwhelming majority of people arrested in this country are white British. But more importantly, as Marvin pointed out, quoting the Hampshire Police Action Plan, the system itself openly admits that it doesn't treat everyone the same or remain colour-blind. That is the literal definition of a two-tier mindset, operating right from the top.

Safe trip back from Makerfield, but leave the policing debates until you've actually read the data.

Yeah, you are brainless and stupid.

I have an opinion but unlike yours, my opinion that there is no two tier policing policy is right. I have yet to see any conclusive evidence that two tier policing is a government or national policy.

The action plan is not conclusive evidence.

There are also more white British people than other ethnicities you imbecile. So that's why the data looks that way.

Open your eyes and think for yourself, not just swallow whatever Farage sends your way. It's pathetic.

But maybe you're incapable of speaking for yourself, as a brainless and stupid person.

Good grief, talk about winding someone up like a clock. You’ve completely lost the plot here.

Who on earth mentioned Nigel Farage? Not me. You are literally hallucinating political bogeymen because your actual argument fell apart the second your made up radio statistics got called out.

You're shouting that your opinion is "right" just because you say so, while completely ignoring black-and-white text from an official police force stating they don't treat everyone the same.

Go have a brew and calm down. You’ve been absolutely rattled by this thread, and throwing a tantrum and calling people imbeciles isn’t going to piece your argument back together. Move on.

Polling suggests the British public were not impressed with Farage's response to this situation. I rest my case.

No two tier policing, my arse

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article- ... fters.html

From the Mail

Yeah because that's really a impartial source

So which paper or broadcaster is impartial. Tell me what’s false in this Mail article?

Polling suggests the British public were not impressed with Farage's response to this situation. I rest my case.

You haven’t got a case.

MSM at its best again pushing its agenda. So should police ignore reports crimes by members of the public or should they investigate, like on this occasion and the guy was out in two to three hours so I’d say he been arrested taken to the station processed and released within 2-3 hours. I’d say that’s the opposite of two tier policing they let him go when they established there was nothing to answer. But hey let’s not look at it like that we feel much more comfortable being victims (snowflakes). Shows to be the system is working. If he been taken to custody held there 36hrs taken to court remanded then I’d say there’s a case for two tier policing. This is just the system working. Nothing to see here.

Possibly the most stupid argument I’ve seen on here.

Polling suggests the British public were not impressed with Farage's response to this situation. I rest my case.

You haven’t got a case.

My whole argument is that Farage's response was wrong and it looks like the public agree with me.

No two tier policing, my arse

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article- ... fters.html

From the Mail

Yeah because that's really a impartial source

So which paper or broadcaster is impartial. Tell me what’s false in this Mail article?

It would be like me using an article from the Mirror to back up something I say.

MSM at its best again pushing its agenda. So should police ignore reports crimes by members of the public or should they investigate, like on this occasion and the guy was out in two to three hours so I’d say he been arrested taken to the station processed and released within 2-3 hours. I’d say that’s the opposite of two tier policing they let him go when they established there was nothing to answer. But hey let’s not look at it like that we feel much more comfortable being victims (snowflakes). Shows to be the system is working. If he been taken to custody held there 36hrs taken to court remanded then I’d say there’s a case for two tier policing. This is just the system working. Nothing to see here.

Possibly the most stupid argument I’ve seen on here.

Just because it doesn’t meet the agenda you been spoon fed. If the people feeding you the narrative changed yours would to I’d imagine.

Anyway I’m not sure generally what you mean by two tier policing. Grabbing one or two stories hardly give an overall guide as you always get outliners with everything in life.

I would be interested to see you opinion on this subject as a general rule not picking using specific cases you believe that fall into you criteria.

Then I can benchmark it against other everyday events where’s there is two tier standards,

Right so they arrest a man on the word of a madman who goes into shops just to open milk bottles and your defending this as the system working. Perhaps they could have asked a few questions, looked at CCTV, talk to staff or customers? No drag the racist out first. Ohhh but they didn't hold him for 36 hours so well done nothing to see here

Right so they arrest a man on the word of a madman who goes into shops just to open milk bottles and your defending this as the system working. Perhaps they could have asked a few questions, looked at CCTV, talk to staff or customers? No drag the racist out first. Ohhh but they didn't hold him for 36 hours so well done nothing to see here

So what should they have done? What process should they follow when they receive a call from the member of the public?

Right so they arrest a man on the word of a madman who goes into shops just to open milk bottles and your defending this as the system working. Perhaps they could have asked a few questions, looked at CCTV, talk to staff or customers? No drag the racist out first. Ohhh but they didn't hold him for 36 hours so well done nothing to see here

Where do I say the arrest was correct?
What I’m saying is he was quickly released, which if there was two true policing they wouldn’t have done. It extinguishes you belief, you just take snippets and make them into a big deal, the reason you take snippets is because that’s all there is.

Polling? Polling by who? Polling of who? Polling of what question?

Certainly not me, nor anyone I know, so who were the targeted audience of ‘the British public’ engaged?

This thread was lost for me, once the individual poster started his ‘MO’ of abusing others who had the (perceived by him) audacity to disagree and/or have an alternate view. The terms used were, IMHO, disgraceful

I’m also deeply disappointed by many of the responses in this thread, particularly by the vitriol of that one certain poster, as it is clear the truth of this incident is far more complex than one individual, one action, one reason, and certainly one political reason

The equal truth is that the majority (clearly not all though) of said ‘British public’ are more than capable of separating individual issues from each other, as they are of making genuine ‘links’ between others regardless of the politics that are (as in this case) often played out

Ultimately, a young man was murdered for simply being in the wrong place at the wrong time, when a pretty unstable individual with a knife too big to be considered ‘acceptable’ (madness in itself) even within his faith

A huge error in their dynamic risk assessment by the attending Officers, one they will have to live with with or without further actions, and the consequences should be far reaching on that factor alone

#KeepItReal

Right so they arrest a man on the word of a madman who goes into shops just to open milk bottles and your defending this as the system working. Perhaps they could have asked a few questions, looked at CCTV, talk to staff or customers? No drag the racist out first. Ohhh but they didn't hold him for 36 hours so well done nothing to see here

So what should they have done? What process should they follow when they receive a call from the member of the public?

Reviewed the evidence at site and I assume come up with same result at the station.
Charged the accuser with theft as they had rendered the product unsaleable and if he refused the option to pay for the goods.
Investigated the accuser for making a malicious claim. Making a false claim of racism needs to carry the same penalty as being racist given the implications of being accused.
Charged with wasting police time

Polling? Polling by who? Polling of who? Polling of what question?

Certainly not me, nor anyone I know, so who were the targeted audience of ‘the British public’ engaged?

This thread was lost for me, once the individual poster started his ‘MO’ of abusing others who had the (perceived by him) audacity to disagree and/or have an alternate view. The terms used were, IMHO, disgraceful

I’m also deeply disappointed by many of the responses in this thread, particularly by the vitriol of that one certain poster, as it is clear the truth of this incident is far more complex than one individual, one action, one reason, and certainly one political reason

The equal truth is that the majority (clearly not all though) of said ‘British public’ are more than capable of separating individual issues from each other, as they are of making genuine ‘links’ between others regardless of the politics that are (as in this case) often played out

Ultimately, a young man was murdered for simply being in the wrong place at the wrong time, when a pretty unstable individual with a knife too big to be considered ‘acceptable’ (madness in itself) even within his faith

A huge error in their dynamic risk assessment by the attending Officers, one they will have to live with with or without further actions, and the consequences should be far reaching on that factor alone

#KeepItReal

I wasn't asked in the poll earlier but I agree with the result of the polling.

Just because you weren't asked in the poll, it doesn't make it illegitimate.

Polling these days is very close to the full picture in the country, anyone who has half a brain can see that.

I do wonder if Sludge being treated as he was, was because of his views and not his language. Would someone on the right be treated as he was for using language like that? I'm not sure.

If people don't like others having a different opinion, then just post your views on a far right forum. Then you'll just hear back what you want to hear.

Where I agree with you is this was a mistake by the attending officers and they should face professional sanctions, and even criminal sanctions if possible.

As for me, I stand by what I've said in this thread. There are far too many brainless and stupid people who swallow whatever Farage gives them and unfortunately I include some who have posted on this thread in that.

Right so they arrest a man on the word of a madman who goes into shops just to open milk bottles and your defending this as the system working. Perhaps they could have asked a few questions, looked at CCTV, talk to staff or customers? No drag the racist out first. Ohhh but they didn't hold him for 36 hours so well done nothing to see here

So what should they have done? What process should they follow when they receive a call from the member of the public?

Reviewed the evidence at site and I assume come up with same result at the station.
Charged the accuser with theft as they had rendered the product unsaleable and if he refused the option to pay for the goods.
Investigated the accuser for making a malicious claim. Making a false claim of racism needs to carry the same penalty as being racist given the implications of being accused.
Charged with wasting police time

Which is what happened isn’t it?

Right so they arrest a man on the word of a madman who goes into shops just to open milk bottles and your defending this as the system working. Perhaps they could have asked a few questions, looked at CCTV, talk to staff or customers? No drag the racist out first. Ohhh but they didn't hold him for 36 hours so well done nothing to see here

So what should they have done? What process should they follow when they receive a call from the member of the public?

Reviewed the evidence at site and I assume come up with same result at the station.
Charged the accuser with theft as they had rendered the product unsaleable and if he refused the option to pay for the goods.
Investigated the accuser for making a malicious claim. Making a false claim of racism needs to carry the same penalty as being racist given the implications of being accused.
Charged with wasting police time

Which is what happened isn’t it?

It doesn't say any of that happened. It refers at the end to someone being arrested for a public order offence but that's it.

Right so they arrest a man on the word of a madman who goes into shops just to open milk bottles and your defending this as the system working. Perhaps they could have asked a few questions, looked at CCTV, talk to staff or customers? No drag the racist out first. Ohhh but they didn't hold him for 36 hours so well done nothing to see here

So what should they have done? What process should they follow when they receive a call from the member of the public?

Reviewed the evidence at site and I assume come up with same result at the station.
Charged the accuser with theft as they had rendered the product unsaleable and if he refused the option to pay for the goods.
Investigated the accuser for making a malicious claim. Making a false claim of racism needs to carry the same penalty as being racist given the implications of being accused.
Charged with wasting police time

Which is what happened isn’t it?

It doesn't say any of that happened. It refers at the end to someone being arrested for a public order offence but that's it.

Ah so your not in full possession of the facts, you don’t know what did or didn’t happen you just going off when you been spoon fed by an agenda.

That the problem with a lot of things nowadays.