Right behind gay footballers

[quote="Bluebird82"
Straight people make choices on the morality of being with a certain partner, why must bisexuals not do the same?

your going to have to explain that

whats morals got to do with this?

It's a proven fact that the gay lifestyle leads to mental illness. The rise of bisexuality correlates with marital breadown, which is proven to be bad for child outcomes entering adulthood.

no a gay lifestyle does not lead to mental illness (no more than any other kind of lifestyle anyway) the stress you have to bear from society for being homosexual on top of the normal stresses yu have to deal with leads to mental illness. Also increased levels of alcohol and drug use, I think you will find if you carried out the same study on football supporters you would probably find the same conclusion or are we all gay? I love it how people like you dont read studies properly

as for marital breakdown involving bisexuals. Considering 60% of marriages end up in divorce in modern society you can find correlations for all types of sexual orientations

Nobody knows what causes the higher incidence of mental illness in homosexuality, You claim they born with an abnormal brain, which i believe is true for a lot of gays, but how abnormal? Is this abnormality causing greater drug use? Is it causing the mental illness? Nobody knows, so with this in mind should we be nudging the bisexuals into a traditional happier life.

Marital breakdown correlates with the permisive society from the 1960s onwards, if you encourage or celebrate promiscurity cultures, is it any wonder that families breakdown and kids suffer?

yes we do know what causes the higher incidence of mental illness the same thing that causes most cases of mental illness

ABNORMAL STRESS from people like you who discriminate against the gay community

Gay people are not born with abnormal brains neither would that abnormality cause an increase in drug use

what causes an increase in drug or alcohol abuse is that thing you keep missing ABNORMAL STRESS created by people like you

If you want a solution to this problem you could start treating people like human beings instead of insisting they are abnormal without any proof

Marital breakdown does correlate with a more promiscuous attitude since the 60s I will agree with you on that, however thats a societal issue rather than a gay issue.

Johnny there is no evidence to back the claim you make around homosexual mental illness. we do not know it's causes, do you agree with me there>?

there is no such thing as homosexual mental illness, there is mental illness that effects everybody

you talk rubbish

Johnny nobody knows what causes mental illness in homosexuals. that is a fact.

yes they do funnily enough the same stuff that causes mental illness in straight people

I dont know where you come up with this stuff but its laughable

The first rule of science, " correlation is not causation" If you are defending a strongly held belief, in ignorance of this premiss then your belief has soft foundations.

Well then if thats the case it also renders your correlation with gay people and mental health issues futile.

You can be obtuce as you like however you are clearly in the wrong here. It is well known the causes for mental health issues and these causes are put upon these homosexuals by societies view of them and not the fact they are indeed homosexuals. Its societies problem not theirs.

[quote="Bluebird82"
Straight people make choices on the morality of being with a certain partner, why must bisexuals not do the same?

your going to have to explain that

whats morals got to do with this?

It's a proven fact that the gay lifestyle leads to mental illness. The rise of bisexuality correlates with marital breadown, which is proven to be bad for child outcomes entering adulthood.

no a gay lifestyle does not lead to mental illness (no more than any other kind of lifestyle anyway) the stress you have to bear from society for being homosexual on top of the normal stresses yu have to deal with leads to mental illness. Also increased levels of alcohol and drug use, I think you will find if you carried out the same study on football supporters you would probably find the same conclusion or are we all gay? I love it how people like you dont read studies properly

as for marital breakdown involving bisexuals. Considering 60% of marriages end up in divorce in modern society you can find correlations for all types of sexual orientations

Nobody knows what causes the higher incidence of mental illness in homosexuality, You claim they born with an abnormal brain, which i believe is true for a lot of gays, but how abnormal? Is this abnormality causing greater drug use? Is it causing the mental illness? Nobody knows, so with this in mind should we be nudging the bisexuals into a traditional happier life.

Marital breakdown correlates with the permisive society from the 1960s onwards, if you encourage or celebrate promiscurity cultures, is it any wonder that families breakdown and kids suffer?

yes we do know what causes the higher incidence of mental illness the same thing that causes most cases of mental illness

ABNORMAL STRESS from people like you who discriminate against the gay community

Gay people are not born with abnormal brains neither would that abnormality cause an increase in drug use

what causes an increase in drug or alcohol abuse is that thing you keep missing ABNORMAL STRESS created by people like you

If you want a solution to this problem you could start treating people like human beings instead of insisting they are abnormal without any proof

Marital breakdown does correlate with a more promiscuous attitude since the 60s I will agree with you on that, however thats a societal issue rather than a gay issue.

Johnny there is no evidence to back the claim you make around homosexual mental illness. we do not know it's causes, do you agree with me there>?

there is no such thing as homosexual mental illness, there is mental illness that effects everybody

you talk rubbish

Johnny nobody knows what causes mental illness in homosexuals. that is a fact.

yes they do funnily enough the same stuff that causes mental illness in straight people

I dont know where you come up with this stuff but its laughable

Johnny, we are talking about higher levels of mental illness in homosexuals.you claim it's due to higher stress but there is no hard science backing this up. The more science demystifies the human brain, the more we recognise a genetic predetermined quality to mentall illness, take homosexuiality. 4o years ago few people would accept that homosexuality was genetic. Today it's a different story.

My original point was something that we both agree on. Homosexuality equals higher mental ilnness.........so should we encourage it amongst those bisexuals who can be equally happy with a woman?

The first rule of science, " correlation is not causation" If you are defending a strongly held belief, in ignorance of this premiss then your belief has soft foundations.

Well then if thats the case it also renders your correlation with gay people and mental health issues futile.

You can be obtuce as you like however you are clearly in the wrong here. It is well known the causes for mental health issues and these causes are put upon these homosexuals by societies view of them and not the fact they are indeed homosexuals. Its societies problem not theirs.

I made the correlation but also added that we didn't know for sure, therefore while doubt exists, we owe it to the bisexual man and society to discourage homosexuality.

The first rule of science, " correlation is not causation" If you are defending a strongly held belief, in ignorance of this premiss then your belief has soft foundations.

Well then if thats the case it also renders your correlation with gay people and mental health issues futile.

You can be obtuce as you like however you are clearly in the wrong here. It is well known the causes for mental health issues and these causes are put upon these homosexuals by societies view of them and not the fact they are indeed homosexuals. Its societies problem not theirs.

I made the correlation but also added that we didn't know for sure, therefore while doubt exists, we owe it to the bisexual man and society to discourage homosexuality.

what?

If a man is bisexual then he is bisexual, whether he then chooses to put his penis in a female vagina or a male anus is of no consequence to someones mental state. There is no connection between a gamete and mental health. To assume so is nothing short of lunacy.

Someone should never be encouraged to be something they are not when there is no evidence of it causing any harm what so ever. If you believe that it is due to something in the brain then that would be there whether they choose a man or a woman meaning the only other thing that could cause the higher statistics is external factors - which is the societal view.

So if its a physical issue then its there anyway, if its external issues then lets sort them out and the most obvious is the stress put on these individuals by a bigoted nation.

The first rule of science, " correlation is not causation" If you are defending a strongly held belief, in ignorance of this premiss then your belief has soft foundations.

Well then if thats the case it also renders your correlation with gay people and mental health issues futile.

You can be obtuce as you like however you are clearly in the wrong here. It is well known the causes for mental health issues and these causes are put upon these homosexuals by societies view of them and not the fact they are indeed homosexuals. Its societies problem not theirs.

I made the correlation but also added that we didn't know for sure, therefore while doubt exists, we owe it to the bisexual man and society to discourage homosexuality.

what?

If a man is bisexual then he is bisexual, whether he then chooses to put his penis in a female vagina or a male anus is of no consequence to someones mental state. There is no connection between a gamete and mental health. To assume so is nothing short of lunacy.

Someone should never be encouraged to be something they are not when there is no evidence of it causing any harm what so ever. If you believe that it is due to something in the brain then that would be there whether they choose a man or a woman meaning the only other thing that could cause the higher statistics is external factors - which is the societal view.

So if its a physical issue then its there anyway, if its external issues then lets sort them out and the most obvious is the stress put on these individuals by a bigoted nation.

A bisexual man entering queerdom is automatically entering a statistical group that suffers highermental illness along with higher marital breakdown. should we be celebrating that or nudging him into heterosexuality? My view is that it shouldn't be celebrated at all. instead quietly dismissed, brushed under the rug.

The first rule of science, " correlation is not causation" If you are defending a strongly held belief, in ignorance of this premiss then your belief has soft foundations.

Well then if thats the case it also renders your correlation with gay people and mental health issues futile.

You can be obtuce as you like however you are clearly in the wrong here. It is well known the causes for mental health issues and these causes are put upon these homosexuals by societies view of them and not the fact they are indeed homosexuals. Its societies problem not theirs.

I made the correlation but also added that we didn't know for sure, therefore while doubt exists, we owe it to the bisexual man and society to discourage homosexuality.

what?

If a man is bisexual then he is bisexual, whether he then chooses to put his penis in a female vagina or a male anus is of no consequence to someones mental state. There is no connection between a gamete and mental health. To assume so is nothing short of lunacy.

Someone should never be encouraged to be something they are not when there is no evidence of it causing any harm what so ever. If you believe that it is due to something in the brain then that would be there whether they choose a man or a woman meaning the only other thing that could cause the higher statistics is external factors - which is the societal view.

So if its a physical issue then its there anyway, if its external issues then lets sort them out and the most obvious is the stress put on these individuals by a bigoted nation.

A bisexual man entering queerdom is automatically entering a statistical group that suffers highermental illness along with higher marital breakdown. should we be celebrating that or nudging him into heterosexuality? My view is that it shouldn't be celebrated at all. instead quietly dismissed, brushed under the rug.

again.... A bisexual man is a bisexual man. If he gets with a woman he doesnt automatically become straight, he still likes men too.

If you are suggesting that it is already a physiological thing inside him then it will be there no matter of he chooses the man or the woman. If you dont think it is then you mist accept it is external factors. When we use intelligent cognitive thought processes we know that the external factors a gay male faces over a straight male is the societies view of them causing them to bottle it up and often self torment.

These are simple, simple things to understand. Manipulating facts to justify bigotry is cowardice personified.

It's a proven fact that the gay lifestyle leads to mental illness. The rise of bisexuality correlates with marital breadown, which is proven to be bad for child outcomes entering adulthood.

no a gay lifestyle does not lead to mental illness (no more than any other kind of lifestyle anyway) the stress you have to bear from society for being homosexual on top of the normal stresses yu have to deal with leads to mental illness. Also increased levels of alcohol and drug use, I think you will find if you carried out the same study on football supporters you would probably find the same conclusion or are we all gay? I love it how people like you dont read studies properly

as for marital breakdown involving bisexuals. Considering 60% of marriages end up in divorce in modern society you can find correlations for all types of sexual orientations

Nobody knows what causes the higher incidence of mental illness in homosexuality, You claim they born with an abnormal brain, which i believe is true for a lot of gays, but how abnormal? Is this abnormality causing greater drug use? Is it causing the mental illness? Nobody knows, so with this in mind should we be nudging the bisexuals into a traditional happier life.

Marital breakdown correlates with the permisive society from the 1960s onwards, if you encourage or celebrate promiscurity cultures, is it any wonder that families breakdown and kids suffer?

yes we do know what causes the higher incidence of mental illness the same thing that causes most cases of mental illness

ABNORMAL STRESS from people like you who discriminate against the gay community

Gay people are not born with abnormal brains neither would that abnormality cause an increase in drug use

what causes an increase in drug or alcohol abuse is that thing you keep missing ABNORMAL STRESS created by people like you

If you want a solution to this problem you could start treating people like human beings instead of insisting they are abnormal without any proof

Marital breakdown does correlate with a more promiscuous attitude since the 60s I will agree with you on that, however thats a societal issue rather than a gay issue.

Johnny there is no evidence to back the claim you make around homosexual mental illness. we do not know it's causes, do you agree with me there>?

there is no such thing as homosexual mental illness, there is mental illness that effects everybody

you talk rubbish

Johnny nobody knows what causes mental illness in homosexuals. that is a fact.

yes they do funnily enough the same stuff that causes mental illness in straight people

I dont know where you come up with this stuff but its laughable

Johnny, we are talking about higher levels of mental illness in homosexuals.you claim it's due to higher stress but there is no hard science backing this up. The more science demystifies the human brain, the more we recognise a genetic predetermined quality to mentall illness, take homosexuiality. 4o years ago few people would accept that homosexuality was genetic. Today it's a different story.

My original point was something that we both agree on. Homosexuality equals higher mental ilnness.........so should we encourage it amongst those bisexuals who can be equally happy with a woman?

what higher levels of mental illness, endogenous depression, bipolar disorder, psychopathy, sociopathy. Is being gay a psychological disorder in itself?

Now 40 years ago being gay was considered as a mental health disorder because in sciences view it went against the natural order of things and being gay was abnormal, this has subsequently been proven to be incorrect. Your quote that few people would accept that homosexuality was genetic is wrong because people considered it to be a genetic psychological disorder.

I do not agree with your original point. Though I recognise the positive correlation between homosexuals and mental health. Your reasoning on why that correlation exists is flawed. It is not because they are homosexual that they are more prone to mental health issues, its how society treats them for being homosexual is why there is an increase in poor mental health

also your idea to cure this problem is to encourage gay or bisexual people into straight relationships is flawed

it will no doubt increase mental health issues because they are being forced to do something they dont want to do

if you want to solve this problem change society and stop treating gay and bi people as problematic and abnormal

Just another daft idea by some do gooder. What next.? The other month Nick Clegg had the rainbow flag flying from Downing Street to show his support for the Gays. It seemed to be at the top of his agenda. Nothing else to worry about then hey.

This sums it up for me . Yet another attempt by the PC brigade to get involved in football . I also think the bbc is constantly trying to drive a PC agenda .

Do you think racism and trying to stamp it out of society is just folly by the "PC brigade" too?

If not then please explain how this discrimination is any different.

Don't consider racism an issue in uk football . Suarez and terry incidents were not reflective of general fans behaviour. Been watching city for 15 years and could count the number of racist things I have heard shouted on one hand .

Just another daft idea by some do gooder. What next.? The other month Nick Clegg had the rainbow flag flying from Downing Street to show his support for the Gays. It seemed to be at the top of his agenda. Nothing else to worry about then hey.

This sums it up for me . Yet another attempt by the PC brigade to get involved in football . I also think the bbc is constantly trying to drive a PC agenda .

Do you think racism and trying to stamp it out of society is just folly by the "PC brigade" too?

If not then please explain how this discrimination is any different.

Don't consider racism an issue in uk football . Suarez and terry incidents were not reflective of general fans behaviour. Been watching city for 15 years and could count the number of racist things I have heard shouted on one hand .

The point being of course to label homophobia as "PC folly" is just as dangerous as labelling racism that. Discrimination of this kind must stop.

I wonder if when a wide gap appears in their defence, they shout, 'Shut That Door' and then when wanting to receive the ball & in space, they then yell, 'I'm Free'?

Nobody knows what causes the higher incidence of mental illness in homosexuality, You claim they born with an abnormal brain, which i believe is true for a lot of gays, but how abnormal? Is this abnormality causing greater drug use? Is it causing the mental illness? Nobody knows, so with this in mind should we be nudging the bisexuals into a traditional happier life.

Marital breakdown correlates with the permisive society from the 1960s onwards, if you encourage or celebrate promiscurity cultures, is it any wonder that families breakdown and kids suffer?

:lol: an abnormal brain? They have an imbalance of chromosomes, nothing to do with the brain what so ever. It is widely acceoted that the increased in mental health issues is due to the fact they cannot be themselves for fear of being castigated by society. Im not entirely sure what you are suggesting though, that they should just "not be gay"?

Why is being gay promiscuous?

WRONG. It's not chromosomes. the bio markers for homosexuality are unproven, leading many to insist that homosexuality is largely a social construct. I believe homosexuality is genetic for the majority but you can not dismiss the role social learning has in shaping many homosexual choices.
If it were chromosones this would still affect the brain abnormallly. Hence abnormal brains of homosexuals.

The first rule of science, " correlation is not causation" If you are defending a strongly held belief, in ignorance of this premiss then your belief has soft foundations.

Well then if thats the case it also renders your correlation with gay people and mental health issues futile.

You can be obtuce as you like however you are clearly in the wrong here. It is well known the causes for mental health issues and these causes are put upon these homosexuals by societies view of them and not the fact they are indeed homosexuals. Its societies problem not theirs.

I made the correlation but also added that we didn't know for sure, therefore while doubt exists, we owe it to the bisexual man and society to discourage homosexuality.

what?

If a man is bisexual then he is bisexual, whether he then chooses to put his penis in a female vagina or a male anus is of no consequence to someones mental state. There is no connection between a gamete and mental health. To assume so is nothing short of lunacy.

Someone should never be encouraged to be something they are not when there is no evidence of it causing any harm what so ever. If you believe that it is due to something in the brain then that would be there whether they choose a man or a woman meaning the only other thing that could cause the higher statistics is external factors - which is the societal view.

So if its a physical issue then its there anyway, if its external issues then lets sort them out and the most obvious is the stress put on these individuals by a bigoted nation.

A bisexual man entering queerdom is automatically entering a statistical group that suffers highermental illness along with higher marital breakdown. should we be celebrating that or nudging him into heterosexuality? My view is that it shouldn't be celebrated at all. instead quietly dismissed, brushed under the rug.

again.... A bisexual man is a bisexual man. If he gets with a woman he doesnt automatically become straight, he still likes men too.

If you are suggesting that it is already a physiological thing inside him then it will be there no matter of he chooses the man or the woman. If you dont think it is then you mist accept it is external factors. When we use intelligent cognitive thought processes we know that the external factors a gay male faces over a straight male is the societies view of them causing them to bottle it up and often self torment.

These are simple, simple things to understand. Manipulating facts to justify bigotry is cowardice personified.

You seem to think everything in life is predetermined by our genes, therefore nobody is held accountable for personal choices, because personal choice and judgement doesn't exist?

you do agree on the point and you didn't answer my questions johnny .

My original point was something that we both agree on. Homosexuality equals higher mental ilnness.........so should we encourage it amongst those bisexuals who can be equally happy with a woman?[/

I wonder if when a wide gap appears in their defence, they shout, 'Shut That Door' and then when wanting to receive the ball & in space, they then yell, 'I'm Free'?

I wonder if when a wide gap appears in their defence, they shout, 'Shut That Door' and then when wanting to receive the ball & in space, they then yell, 'I'm Free'?

you are showing your age my friend - "but I like you"

I wonder if when a wide gap appears in their defence, they shout, 'Shut That Door' and then when wanting to receive the ball & in space, they then yell, 'I'm Free'?

you are showing your age my friend - "but I like you"

I wonder if when a wide gap appears in their defence, they shout, 'Shut That Door' and then when wanting to receive the ball & in space, they then yell, 'I'm Free'?

you are showing your age my friend - "but I like you"

'You Are Awful".

I wonder if they have special names for football tricks? The 'Barton Bender' must surely now be a candidate. Will we now see a 'Match Of The Gay'? Where will it all end? Not up my arse for sure, Shirley.

They'll be doing interviews in the shower next to prove it's ok for gay men to mix in the shower. What ever next I ask

Joey Bartons campaign strap-line is 'They Do Like it 'Up 'Em'.

you do agree on the point and you didn't answer my questions johnny .

My original point was something that we both agree on. Homosexuality equals higher mental ilnness.........so should we encourage it amongst those bisexuals who can be equally happy with a woman?[/

no I dont agree with your point you can keep telling me that I do until your blue in the face doesnt change the fact that I dont agree with any of your points and I have answered this question

If you want to solve the social issue of homosexuals suffering from mental health issues society needs to change and accept the for who they are because there is nothing wrong with them. 'Encouraging' heterosexual relationships on homosexuals will only make matters worse.

you talk nonsense and dont for one second think I agree with anything you say

you do agree on the point and you didn't answer my questions johnny .

My original point was something that we both agree on. Homosexuality equals higher mental ilnness.........so should we encourage it amongst those bisexuals who can be equally happy with a woman?[/

no I dont agree with your point you can keep telling me that I do until your blue in the face doesnt change the fact that I dont agree with any of your points and I have answered this question

If you want to solve the social issue of homosexuals suffering from mental health issues society needs to change and accept the for who they are because there is nothing wrong with them. 'Encouraging' heterosexual relationships on homosexuals will only make matters worse.

you talk nonsense and dont for one second think I agree with anything you say

Make society change? you sound like a right dictator. What if you force all of society to change, using draconian orwellian methods and science then proves that homosexuals to be geneticly predisposed to mental illness? After all johnny nobody knows why they suffer mentally. do they? No johnny, science doesn't have the answer, yet you want to force society to change.
You do agree that homosexuality leads to greater mental illness

you do agree on the point and you didn't answer my questions johnny .

My original point was something that we both agree on. Homosexuality equals higher mental ilnness.........so should we encourage it amongst those bisexuals who can be equally happy with a woman?[/

no I dont agree with your point you can keep telling me that I do until your blue in the face doesnt change the fact that I dont agree with any of your points and I have answered this question

If you want to solve the social issue of homosexuals suffering from mental health issues society needs to change and accept the for who they are because there is nothing wrong with them. 'Encouraging' heterosexual relationships on homosexuals will only make matters worse.

you talk nonsense and dont for one second think I agree with anything you say

Make society change? you sound like a right dictator. What if you force all of society to change, using draconian orwellian methods and science then proves that homosexuals to be geneticly predisposed to mental illness? After all johnny nobody knows why they suffer mentally. do they? No johnny, science doesn't have the answer, yet you want to force society to change.
You do agree that homosexuality leads to greater mental illness

nah not bothering with any more mate your boring uneducated stupid pathetic and homophobic

you carry on justifying your homophobia to yourself I think you will find your about 40 years behind even the most idiotic person in modern society

This thread is definitely now Bottoming Out.

I wonder if when a wide gap appears in their defence, they shout, 'Shut That Door' and then when wanting to receive the ball & in space, they then yell, 'I'm Free'?

.making a pass will never be the same

all this bi sexual stuff.surely if someone is drawn to both sexes once he /she has tried the goods a preference will be made?i suppose i can see that a bloke may want to be with a bloke and a bloke may want to be with a women but surely it,s one or the other?in my eyes bi sexuals are just sex mad .

This thread is definitely now Bottoming Out.

on it,s arse mate

This thread is definitely now Bottoming Out.

on it,s arse mate