RELIGION?

This is a great watch for anyone who has any doubts......




Part 1 - http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Kla-BcN8u8Q

Part 2 - http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-KVoYJ5YSzM&feature=relmfu

Part 3 - http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=relmfu&v=oUX5ovRuWNs

yes seen it before fascinating

are you religious?

if not why do you care what other people do what makes you think you have a right to tell people what they believe is wrong or flawed? its not your life, I dont interfere with your life why do you feel you have to interfere with mine?

I assume your an atheist or non-believer I dont have a go at you for that. I dont think your stupid or weak willed.

Roath if you want to wind people up about Cardiff go for it it doesnt bother me, though leave this stuff alone.

No I'm not religious.

This is a discussion on religion and our opinions on it is it not? What have I said that would wind anyone up? The OP invited questions on and I asked some very fair ones, I then went on to give my opinion on religion and did it fairly and with factual evidence ever since I've been fielding questions on the validity of science which is incredible in itself.... However not offensive.

Why you think you can tell me what subjects to post on is incredible. If you don't like my opinion then ignore me.

im not saying you cant have an opinion im saying take it seriously unlike 99% of your posts through many different pseudonyms.

Show me one thread I've not taken seriously. Every single post is deadly serious. People only don't think it is when they wish to not take on board my opinion. That is fine and their right, but to disregard it as me winding someone up is foolish on the extreme.

This is a great watch for anyone who has any doubts......




Part 1 - http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Kla-BcN8u8Q

Part 2 - http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-KVoYJ5YSzM&feature=relmfu

Part 3 - http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=relmfu&v=oUX5ovRuWNs

yes seen it before fascinating

are you religious?

if not why do you care what other people do what makes you think you have a right to tell people what they believe is wrong or flawed? its not your life, I dont interfere with your life why do you feel you have to interfere with mine?

I assume your an atheist or non-believer I dont have a go at you for that. I dont think your stupid or weak willed.

Roath if you want to wind people up about Cardiff go for it it doesnt bother me, though leave this stuff alone.

No I'm not religious.

This is a discussion on religion and our opinions on it is it not? What have I said that would wind anyone up? The OP invited questions on and I asked some very fair ones, I then went on to give my opinion on religion and did it fairly and with factual evidence ever since I've been fielding questions on the validity of science which is incredible in itself.... However not offensive.

Why you think you can tell me what subjects to post on is incredible. If you don't like my opinion then ignore me.

im not saying you cant have an opinion im saying take it seriously unlike 99% of your posts through many different pseudonyms.

Show me one thread I've not taken seriously. Every single post is deadly serious. People only don't think it is when they wish to not take on board my opinion. That is fine and their right, but to disregard it as me winding someone up is foolish on the extreme.

in this matter there is a requirement to be serious thats all im saying, if you are what people accuse you of being walk away if you want a serious conversation im happy to oblige.

why baffling, God created this world everything on this world, in the universe and beyond is all created by God. God created us intelligent beings with the ability to explore and ask questions which creates science.

what people like you who raise this issue forgets is that the bible wasnt written yesterday and was written without the current scientific knowledge, is it really surprising that its not wholly accurate?

youre not regarding the concept of faith instrumental to any religion, for some reason you have made it irrelevant like most scientists, probably because it cannot be measured.

In reference to your last message, I couldn't give a damn what people accuse me of, they accuse me of being disingenuous because they can't fathom why a Cardiff fan would be honest when they can lie and make everyone feel nice and safe. Sorry not how I work and I can assure you, I'm always serious.

Now onto the quoted text..... Hold your horses regearding "god created the world" etc.

As you have acknowledged the bible wasn't written by a supernatural being, it was written by man. So at the start who was there to witness this creation in said amount of days etc? Or did he create an author type to scribe everything down as it unfolded?

The bible says the earth is 6000 years old and that Adam, eve and a talking snake (yeah a talking snake) were the first living beings created... So what about dinosaurs then? They were on the earth 200 million years before the alleged Adam and Eve creation. Do you not believe in dinosaurs then? I once asked a Christian pal of mine about this and he stuttered and mumbled scratching his head before saying "the devil put the bones and fossils there". (For anyone that doesn't know the devil is a winged, horned beast that lives In a fiery pit).

That is where science and religion are completely at odds, and this is why I couldn't fathom why you wouldn't think that they belong in the same discussion..

God is supposed to be a loving god that is the creator of everything... Well then why do babies contract AIDS and why did he create paedophiles?

If god created everything and created them perfectly then why did things have to evolve in order to survive? Why do some creatures now find themselves extinct due to them not having the genetic sustainability to survive in their own environment?

There's enough questions there to start you off...

God is supposed to be a loving god that is the creator of everything... Well then why do babies contract AIDS and why did he create paedophiles?

This has been explained in this thread and this is a prime example about you not listening to others.

God is supposed to be a loving god that is the creator of everything... Well then why do babies contract AIDS and why did he create paedophiles?

This has been explained in this thread and this is a prime example about you not listening to others.

Nothing to do with not listening to others. This thread is 9 pages long I'm not reading it all.

I was responding the the OP and nobody else. Although you are more than welcome to provide the answer.

Nice selective quoting though, feel free to answer the many other questions. Thanks in advance.

It has often dawned on me that should I go to "heaven" there are going to be some angry ranting people there full of hate for non believers, not exactly what their Lord had in mind during his selfless mission to help us....ahem.
It has also become apparent that should I go to "hell" there will be some quite astute and interesting people to hang with.

Allow me to generalise a little to argue my point. Of the people I know and mix with day to day about half have religious beliefs. I detect no difference between the two groups in their relations with their fellow man. Both groups show kindness, pity and love. Both groups also demonstrate anger, greed, hate, spite, and general mean spirit. It is striking that no amount of religious education has changed the basic tenets of human behaviour. Generally you have to conclude that people can only be fans of religion but never followers. It is easy to go to church and claim a moral high ground it is much harder to follow the teachings of a messiah and embrace the true message of unconditional love for man. That is an issue that religious people will always struggle with internally, it is impossible to resolve.

Oh no, the mark twain argument, like I couldn't possibly have heard that before. I'm not your standard Christian, I believe that the actual number of true Christians is a very small percentage of the worldly church. I don't believe that a little bit of water will get you to heaven, neither will praying a little prayer, I believe the only way to tell if someone is regenerate or not is to look for 'fruit of the spirit' which is an automatic function to seek to improve and carry out the virtues you state and gradually reduce the wrongs that you do in an ongoing act of sanctification and trust me, once you meet one of these people, you will see a large difference although I do admit that there are 'good' non-believers when questioned about god they always shw their rebellious nature and it is because of this that they deserve hell. Most of all I do not believe that your pass to heaven relies upon your theology or denomination, it relies solely on the heart of the believer and gods work within them. To show you what I mean I'll tell you that I've never got drunk, never smoked, haven't sworn aloud since my conversion nearly two years ago, I'm still a teenager and I intend not to have sex before I'm married, since my conversion I have never hit anyone or carried anger with them for an extended period of time, however I will admit that I still suffer from some sexually immoral thoughts but with time and strength I can get rid of them also. Despite what you think heaven is not about the people you're with, it's not some materialistic paradise the like of which it would take a hundred years to grow tired of, it is an infinite amount of time to attempt to understand the infinite depths of the creator and give him more glory for it. I believe the bible says the path to heaven is narrow for the reason that few people ever make the journey.

It has often dawned on me that should I go to "heaven" there are going to be some angry ranting people there full of hate for non believers, not exactly what their Lord had in mind during his selfless mission to help us....ahem.
It has also become apparent that should I go to "hell" there will be some quite astute and interesting people to hang with.

Allow me to generalise a little to argue my point. Of the people I know and mix with day to day about half have religious beliefs. I detect no difference between the two groups in their relations with their fellow man. Both groups show kindness, pity and love. Both groups also demonstrate anger, greed, hate, spite, and general mean spirit. It is striking that no amount of religious education has changed the basic tenets of human behaviour. Generally you have to conclude that people can only be fans of religion but never followers. It is easy to go to church and claim a moral high ground it is much harder to follow the teachings of a messiah and embrace the true message of unconditional love for man. That is an issue that religious people will always struggle with internally, it is impossible to resolve.

Oh no, the mark twain argument, like I couldn't possibly have heard that before. I'm not your standard Christian, I believe that the actual number of true Christians is a very small percentage of the worldly church. I don't believe that a little bit of water will get you to heaven, neither will praying a little prayer, I believe the only way to tell if someone is regenerate or not is to look for 'fruit of the spirit' which is an automatic function to seek to improve and carry out the virtues you state and gradually reduce the wrongs that you do in an ongoing act of sanctification and trust me, once you meet one of these people, you will see a large difference although I do admit that there are 'good' non-believers when questioned about god they always shw their rebellious nature and it is because of this that they deserve hell. Most of all I do not believe that your pass to heaven relies upon your theology or denomination, it relies solely on the heart of the believer and gods work within them. To show you what I mean I'll tell you that I've never got drunk, never smoked, haven't sworn aloud since my conversion nearly two years ago, I'm still a teenager and I intend not to have sex before I'm married, since my conversion I have never hit anyone or carried anger with them for an extended period of time, however I will admit that I still suffer from some sexually immoral thoughts but with time and strength I can get rid of them also. Despite what you think heaven is not about the people you're with, it's not some materialistic paradise the like of which it would take a hundred years to grow tired of, it is an infinite amount of time to attempt to understand the infinite depths of the creator and give him more glory for it. I believe the bible says the path to heaven is narrow for the reason that few people ever make the journey.

So if someone is a good person but has a rebellious nature then they 'deserve' hell? that's shocking and not the all loving tolerant God depicted.

If God doesn't like rebellion, why create it? If God wanted everyone to believe then why doesn't he appear and show everyone so there are no doubters.

If he created everything, then he created people's minds. Why did he create doubt? Why didnt he make everyone a believer, why a re there Muslims? Why didnt he make them Christian?

Another thing.

If I was born in a remote place where there were no inhabitants apart from me and my mother. If my mother died when I was 4 or 5 and I lived the rest of my life alone in the wilderness then how would I know about God and Jesus? I wouldn't. You can't believe in what you don't know. So would I go to hell?

People only chose to become Christians because of what others say. The fact you aren't born a believer tells you all you need to know.

The time some people spend on here i think they do live at home alone with their mother.

The time some people spend on here i think they do live at home alone with their mother.

Stop trolling, if you want to conduct personal attacks then do it by PM, stop wrecking threads.

I'm not making a personal attack? If i've hit a nerve sweetie, then i apologize?

The time some people spend on here i think they do live at home alone with their mother.

Stop trolling, if you want to conduct personal attacks then do it by PM, stop wrecking threads.

Cliché after Cliché, 'paxman', have you sat down and thought about the world and why you're here? It doesn't appear so.....

I'm not making a personal attack? If i've hit a nerve sweetie, then i apologize?

Apology accepted. Stick to the threads in future.

The time some people spend on here i think they do live at home alone with their mother.

Stop trolling, if you want to conduct personal attacks then do it by PM, stop wrecking threads.

Cliché after Cliché, 'paxman', have you sat down and thought about the world and why you're here? It doesn't appear so.....

Where have I used a cliche?

Why does it appear I haven't thought about why I'm here? Because if I did then I'd automatically realise I've been out here by a guy to tell everyone how great he is so that when I die I can live forever in another realm?

Yeah ok.

The time some people spend on here i think they do live at home alone with their mother.

Stop trolling, if you want to conduct personal attacks then do it by PM, stop wrecking threads.

Cliché after Cliché, 'paxman', have you sat down and thought about the world and why you're here? It doesn't appear so.....

Where have I used a cliche?

Why does it appear I haven't thought about why I'm here? Because if I did then I'd automatically realise I've been out here by a guy to tell everyone how great he is so that when I die I can live forever in another realm?

Yeah ok.

Why? Where do i start? .....In a nutshell you're drawing adversarial lines between religion and science. It's very poor and old hat. But you almost make up for it with huff n puff. Which is quite entertaining in itself

The time some people spend on here i think they do live at home alone with their mother.

Stop trolling, if you want to conduct personal attacks then do it by PM, stop wrecking threads.

Cliché after Cliché, 'paxman', have you sat down and thought about the world and why you're here? It doesn't appear so.....

Where have I used a cliche?

Why does it appear I haven't thought about why I'm here? Because if I did then I'd automatically realise I've been out here by a guy to tell everyone how great he is so that when I die I can live forever in another realm?

Yeah ok.

Why? Where do i start? .....In a nutshell you're drawing adversarial lines between religion and science. It's very poor and old hat. But you almost make up for it with huff n puff. Which is quite entertaining in itself

You have asked where to start and then decided not to start at all it seems. So I ask again, where have I used cliches and why do you believe I should think about the meaning of life.

"Old hat"

That's like saying, you can't say it's impossible for me to fly using science, that's old hat I'm afraid. It's an adversary of religion for a reason, it has no time limit on how long it can be used for.

You have read my questions but answered none of them.

Were the dinosaurs put here by the devil to test the faith of Christians? If Adam and Eve plus the talking snake were the first beings created 6,000 years ago 6 days into the life of the planet, then how come these things have been found that are 200 million years old.

To say that question is old hat while not offering an answer is as ridiculous as the claim itself.

As George Michael said "You've got to have faith"

The time some people spend on here i think they do live at home alone with their mother.

Stop trolling, if you want to conduct personal attacks then do it by PM, stop wrecking threads.

Cliché after Cliché, 'paxman', have you sat down and thought about the world and why you're here? It doesn't appear so.....

Where have I used a cliche?

Why does it appear I haven't thought about why I'm here? Because if I did then I'd automatically realise I've been out here by a guy to tell everyone how great he is so that when I die I can live forever in another realm?

Yeah ok.

Why? Where do i start? .....In a nutshell you're drawing adversarial lines between religion and science. It's very poor and old hat. But you almost make up for it with huff n puff. Which is quite entertaining in itself

You have asked where to start and then decided not to start at all it seems. So I ask again, where have I used cliches and why do you believe I should think about the meaning of life.

"Old hat"

That's like saying, you can't say it's impossible for me to fly using science, that's old hat I'm afraid. It's an adversary of religion for a reason, it has no time limit on how long it can be used for.

You have read my questions but answered none of them.

Were the dinosaurs put here by the devil to test the faith of Christians? If Adam and Eve plus the talking snake were the first beings created 6,000 years ago 6 days into the life of the planet, then how come these things have been found that are 200 million years old.

To say that question is old hat while not offering an answer is as ridiculous as the claim itself.

Science is not an adversary of religion, your view is old hat i'm afraid. 'Old hat' in that it's a bit passé and considered irrelevant by atheists and believers, As i have suggested previous, have think about your OWN place in the world, reaching your OWN truth, then things won't appear so black n white, anyway you are clearly quite an anxious & worried chap so i see no point in stoking your anxiety further. All the best.

Paxman is right. Totally spot on.

I notice some of you argue his claims, yet cannot answer any of his simple questions.

Says a lot.

What about animals? Do they have to believe in Jesus in order to go to heaven? I saw an ant kill a greenfly before, didnt eat it, just killed it and walked off.

Does that mean as he has committed murder his soul will be committed to hell? Or is it only humans who have souls? What happened to the people that died before Christ allegedly was crucified?

If nobody ever told me about god would I go to hell? Even though I would have no way of knowing he existed?

There's a couple more ive got too although I true religious style - we currently have a back log as not one question I have asked has been answered yet.

Paxman is right. Totally spot on.

I notice some of you argue his claims, yet cannot answer any of his simple questions.

Says a lot.

His whole approach is wrong, he's not thought it through. Are you one of his psuedonyms? BTW

Science is not an adversary of religion, your view is old hat i'm afraid. 'Old hat' in that it's a bit passé and considered irrelevant by atheists and believers, As i have suggested previous, have think about your OWN place in the world, reaching your OWN truth, then things won't appear so black n white, anyway you are clearly quite an anxious & worried chap so i see no point in stoking your anxiety further. All the best.

So when science proves that the world isn't 6000 years old it is not an adversary to a religion that preaches it is? How do you work that one out.

I've never once listened to an atheist or a Christian enough for either to make an impression. All my questions are my own and all my views are my own. My own place in the world is the safety in the knowledge I'm alive and I live it the best I possibly can to MY standards, not the standards someone else sets for me.

I don't need to feel I belong to a higher being in order to have purpose to my life. I am quite happy with the fact I'm one of billions upon billions of organisms who simply flourish because of the correct variables in my climate. The human mind has developed too much for some that they now think too much. Do you think a gazelle or a fish worry about why they are there and what is the meaning of their life? No. They live the life they have been given, then they die, simple as that.

As per usual a quick in and out avoiding any questions

Paxman is right. Totally spot on.

I notice some of you argue his claims, yet cannot answer any of his simple questions.

Says a lot.

His whole approach is wrong, he's not thought it through. Are you one of his psuedonyms? BTW

No it isn't. Can you answer his straightforward questions?

No, I'm not.

Paxman is right. Totally spot on.

I notice some of you argue his claims, yet cannot answer any of his simple questions.

Says a lot.

His whole approach is wrong, he's not thought it through. Are you one of his psuedonyms? BTW

Yet you won't tell me otherwise. Not very Christian like of you is it.

I'm all ears.....

Paxman is right. Totally spot on.

I notice some of you argue his claims, yet cannot answer any of his simple questions.

Says a lot.

His whole approach is wrong, he's not thought it through. Are you one of his psuedonyms? BTW

Yet you won't tell me otherwise. Not very Christian like of you is it.

I'm all ears.....

Who said i am Christian? yet another poorly thought out assumption? And no i won't be telling you, You can keep copying and pasting atheism 101 all day. It's completely missing the point, Although i would question your motives for doing so, To me you seem one of least sure of yourself & your own existence on this forum, the current 'paqxman' psuedonym, the almost pathological need to prove yourself via arguement, often with yourself using alter-ego. It's like you are so desperate for certainty, any hackneyed world view will do for you, just providing it offers a certainty. You're an Interesting subject and i love you for that.

Why are you going on about aler-egos? I'm not Paxman, as I'm sure many of the members here will testify, seeing as they've met me in person.

Not worth getting into a discussion on this as nobody can conclusively prove it one way or the other. Everybody has their own beliefs. Some are religious and so have blind faith, some believe science provides all the answers, some believe we are reincarnated and some like Spiritualists believe you can actually speak to the dead.
Others on the other hand are sad enough to believe that if you stay on a forum for three quarters of your life you can win any arguement just by having the last word.

Not worth getting into a discussion on this as nobody can conclusively prove it one way or the other. Everybody has their own beliefs. Some are religious and so have blind faith, some believe science provides all the answers, some believe we are reincarnated and some like Spiritualists believe you can actually speak to the dead.
Others on the other hand are sad enough to believe that if you stay on a forum for three quarters of your life you can win any arguement just by having the last word.

Was that an attempt to have the last word El Tel? Certainly had more than a whiff of the jerry springer 'final thought' about it, sorry if it was and i've subverted

A point of order, no scientist of any note would claim to have all the answers, or even 1 percent of the truth. Infact any serious scientist will tell there is no such thing as something being 100 percent predictable.

Paxman is right. Totally spot on.

I notice some of you argue his claims, yet cannot answer any of his simple questions.

Says a lot.

His whole approach is wrong, he's not thought it through. Are you one of his psuedonyms? BTW

Yet you won't tell me otherwise. Not very Christian like of you is it.

I'm all ears.....

Who said i am Christian? yet another poorly thought out assumption? And no i won't be telling you, You can keep copying and pasting atheism 101 all day. It's completely missing the point, Although i would question your motives for doing so, To me you seem one of least sure of yourself & your own existence on this forum, the current 'paqxman' psuedonym, the almost pathological need to prove yourself via arguement, often with yourself using alter-ego. It's like you are so desperate for certainty, any hackneyed world view will do for you, just providing it offers a certainty. You're an Interesting subject and i love you for that.

I didnt assume you are a Christian I said its not very Christian like of you didnt I?

I haven't copy and pasted one thing (other than a youtube link) it should be easy to prove otherwise, ill await with baited breath. Although I assume you are lying once more. The rest of your text is nonsense really filled with assumption based on nothing.

I have given my opinion, notice the bold... MY opinion and based it with MY questions (notice the bold again) and based it on fact. You have held no opinion, decided you disagree with mine while providing no evidence at all.

Who is approaching this incorrectly again?

Still all ears...

Why are you going on about aler-egos? I'm not Paxman, as I'm sure many of the members here will testify, seeing as they've met me in person.

Because he has no conviction in his opinion. The only way to combat it is to say everyone who disagrees with him is the same person.

A similar sort of way to what Christians do when met with an awkward question "all the work of the devil".