Gwyn jumping the fence is almost here

ANGRY MAN..... WILL YOU ANSWER MY QUESTION FOR ME????

I keep asking a straight forward question but you seem to miss it or ignore it. Why thuogh I don't know.

Anyway here is my question again!!!

With you being more right wing than Thatcher was and Merthyr being more left wing than Cuba. How did you get elected up there? Who did you stand for and how did an extreme right wing person manage to get voted in up there?

The Gurnos is right wing, no immigrants up there.
He got in because when he was shouting Vote for Brown the people of the gurnos thought they were voting for Heroin.

Vote for brown, brown will make the gurnos a better place.... comming across the tannoy while on a horse and cart

He didnt get a second term because he didnt listen to me.
His campaign needed a new gimmick. I told him to change his name to Charlie.
Vote Charlie Brown would have been a landslde for him.

ANGRY MAN..... WILL YOU ANSWER MY QUESTION FOR ME????

I keep asking a straight forward question but you seem to miss it or ignore it. Why thuogh I don't know.

Anyway here is my question again!!!

With you being more right wing than Thatcher was and Merthyr being more left wing than Cuba. How did you get elected up there? Who did you stand for and how did an extreme right wing person manage to get voted in up there?

The Gurnos is right wing, no immigrants up there.
He got in because when he was shouting Vote for Brown the people of the gurnos thought they were voting for Heroin.

Vote for brown, brown will make the gurnos a better place.... comming across the tannoy while on a horse and cart

He didnt get a second term because he didnt listen to me.
His campaign needed a new gimmick. I told him to change his name to Charlie.
Vote Charlie Brown would have been a landslde for him.

ffs

For the record Daya is banned so shame on the mods for doing it.

However I will not apoligise because I know what Gwyn said during that meeting as well as many others. 'If' and its a big 'If' he didn't mean to say that during the meeting then the easy thing would have be to correct himself at the time and in front of everyone but unfortunately he failed to do so. This has meant many on both boards counting down the days until January.

But you don't know Adam, do you? you just act on gossip and here-say, you can solve it or prove it easily, get someone who was actually there to repeat what was said,, not what they were told, not what they assumed I meant, but what was actually said, and then you can put it all to bed. And why correct myself, what I said I stand by, there was no need to correct myself, I have said on here what was said and it still stands, no mention of debt to equity, because it don't interest or bother me in the slightest.

Abuse went both ways last night and for the record I took more than what I personally give out yet you never see Gwyn being banned do you..? I wonder why..?

Abuse, what did I call you Adam, you tell someone you hope they die from cancer, you called my a lying c**t, what were you called Adam.

And as for people logging on this morning and have only seen the threads which are left on then let me tell you there was far more said but the pro-Gwyn mods starting making the messageboard look very one sided.

The pro -Gwyn mods, and who are they Adam? the world is only against you because you are so different and don't fit in, the problem is you just don't realise how detached you really are, I admire the way you get destroyed and ripped up apart but keep setting yourself up for more, that is why I think there is a case of Aspergers here, and you really don't know how to interact, I remember a psychologist comparing it to a dog being ignored, the dog would rather get a slap, that way he at least feels he's part of things, and that just about sums you up, unable to interact and communicate properly, so simply saying stupid things and getting shot down lets you feel at least acknowledged in a sad sort of way, it may be due to something from early life and on a serious and not piss take mode, it may be linked to being adopted and searching for a sense of belonging, you should seek help.

The 'other' alegation from Gwyn is that I never watched the club in the first place but after asking him a number of times ever since this allegation was first mentioned to 'look at the Valley Ram membership' then he diverts the conversation.

Where do you get this from, I don't question you have seen some games over your life time, but all this making a sacrifice and protest by staying a way cracks me up as it is common knowledge that the last season you seen two home games, so I don't think the club will miss your business, the people that know you like Polo for instance have confirmed you came to some games, but also confirmed that Merthyr was your team and you latched onto Cardiff as a bit part player, these are people that know you, I don't know you but why would I not believe these others, what are they gaining by saying this otherwise.

I'm sorry but there are many on here who thinks the sun shines out of his arse and they need to take a better look at the type of individual he actually is. Rememebr it wasn't long ago he threatened Owain that he would 'take down the messageboard if he wasn't a Mod anymore', then recently he spies on the posters at the ground. Is this really a man which we all can trust..? I dont think so!!!

Wron again, that accusation was thrown at me, and I put up the pm's as proof of what was sent, ask Owain too deny or confirm this, you act on snippets of info, and don't take the whole story in do you?
And as for spying on posters at the ground, I can't believe you are that gullible to fall for that, a few people know I have a sight problem and losing vision in my right eye, I am waiting an operation to help, I do use a small pair of Bins to help, but do you really think I am going to spend the match scouting through a crowd of 26,000 people looking for a man who I don't know what he looks like anyway, so how would I recognise him even if I spotted him, MAD!!!!!!!!!!!
You do set yourself up Adam, surely even you can see how silly this looks, it's like an act of desperation to try and discredit me, just ask, I'll show you some of the skeletons in my closet, been far from perfect, never pretend to be perfect or a super fan, I am what I am and to be honest, I'm quite happy with it.

ANGRY MAN..... WILL YOU ANSWER MY QUESTION FOR ME????

I keep asking a straight forward question but you seem to miss it or ignore it. Why thuogh I don't know.

Anyway here is my question again!!!

With you being more right wing than Thatcher was and Merthyr being more left wing than Cuba. How did you get elected up there? Who did you stand for and how did an extreme right wing person manage to get voted in up there?

People vote for people mainly and not for parties on local elections. However the previous one was campaigned very well on the 'send Cameron a message' issue. Yet what people didn't realise was that Cameron wouldn't give a shit about Labour MP heartlands like Merthyr.

ANGRY MAN..... WILL YOU ANSWER MY QUESTION FOR ME????

I keep asking a straight forward question but you seem to miss it or ignore it. Why thuogh I don't know.

Anyway here is my question again!!!

With you being more right wing than Thatcher was and Merthyr being more left wing than Cuba. How did you get elected up there? Who did you stand for and how did an extreme right wing person manage to get voted in up there?

The Gurnos is right wing, no immigrants up there.

He got in because when he was shouting Vote for Brown the people of the gurnos thought they were voting for Heroin.

it was a good four years but for minimum wage it was a bollox really. However new shopping area, new elderly home, Post Office returned and other issues have improved people lives during my time there.

ANGRY MAN..... WILL YOU ANSWER MY QUESTION FOR ME????

I keep asking a straight forward question but you seem to miss it or ignore it. Why thuogh I don't know.

Anyway here is my question again!!!

With you being more right wing than Thatcher was and Merthyr being more left wing than Cuba. How did you get elected up there? Who did you stand for and how did an extreme right wing person manage to get voted in up there?

People vote for people mainly and not for parties on local elections. However the previous one was campaigned very well on the 'send Cameron a message' issue. Yet what people didn't realise was that Cameron wouldn't give a shit about Labour MP heartlands like Merthyr.

There's a saying in the valley's that goes along the lines of "if it's got a red flag in it then I'll vote for it". No offence but people don't vote clever, they just vote Labour. Not always great but true none the less.

When you were campaigning, did you tell the people about your extremist right wing views on things like benefits and the disabled? It's just I would have thought the people of Merthyr would have expected you to have a more sympathetic stance on these issues. What with Merthyr being the benefit capital of the UK.

It used to be the working capital of the UK until someone sent all the jobs to China and put them all on the dole, then people like you had the cheek to blame the people of Merthyr for being unemployed or on sickness benefits. Did you tell them this was the way you felt about them when you were out looking for their vote or did you hide your views and lie to them?

ANGRY MAN..... WILL YOU ANSWER MY QUESTION FOR ME????

I keep asking a straight forward question but you seem to miss it or ignore it. Why thuogh I don't know.

Anyway here is my question again!!!

With you being more right wing than Thatcher was and Merthyr being more left wing than Cuba. How did you get elected up there? Who did you stand for and how did an extreme right wing person manage to get voted in up there?

People vote for people mainly and not for parties on local elections. However the previous one was campaigned very well on the 'send Cameron a message' issue. Yet what people didn't realise was that Cameron wouldn't give a shit about Labour MP heartlands like Merthyr.

There's a saying in the valley's that goes along the lines of "if it's got a red flag in it then I'll vote for it". No offence but people don't vote clever, they just vote Labour. Not always great but true none the less.

When you were campaigning, did you tell the people about your extremist right wing views on things like benefits and the disabled? It's just I would have thought the people of Merthyr would have expected you to have a more sympathetic stance on these issues. What with Merthyr being the benefit capital of the UK.

It used to be the working capital of the UK until someone sent all the jobs to China and put them all on the dole, then people like you had the cheek to blame the people of Merthyr for being unemployed or on sickness benefits. Did you tell them this was the way you felt about them when you were out looking for their vote or did you hide your views and lie to them?

Excatly but thats mainly for general elections these days.

what are my extremist views on benefits and the disabled then..? Also its a fact that most people in the Gurnos actually work and most people Nationally actually support a clampdown on benefits. People knew my background in recruitment and during my time I brought jobs to the area through development projects such as the ones I mentioned previously.

People who haven't campaigned before will probably think that everything is black and white when talking to people on the doorstep but its not as there can be a whole range of issues especially in local elections. Hense why unemployment or benefit issues would hardly come up because they know the council cant do anything about that. But after a while that range of issues can then be put into areas for you to work and campaign on. Believe me theres alot of homework and expense for an election if you really want to get in but if you want to go for it in 4 years time then you need to start working at it now

ANGRY MAN..... WILL YOU ANSWER MY QUESTION FOR ME????

I keep asking a straight forward question but you seem to miss it or ignore it. Why thuogh I don't know.

Anyway here is my question again!!!

With you being more right wing than Thatcher was and Merthyr being more left wing than Cuba. How did you get elected up there? Who did you stand for and how did an extreme right wing person manage to get voted in up there?

People vote for people mainly and not for parties on local elections. However the previous one was campaigned very well on the 'send Cameron a message' issue. Yet what people didn't realise was that Cameron wouldn't give a shit about Labour MP heartlands like Merthyr.

There's a saying in the valley's that goes along the lines of "if it's got a red flag in it then I'll vote for it". No offence but people don't vote clever, they just vote Labour. Not always great but true none the less.

When you were campaigning, did you tell the people about your extremist right wing views on things like benefits and the disabled? It's just I would have thought the people of Merthyr would have expected you to have a more sympathetic stance on these issues. What with Merthyr being the benefit capital of the UK.

It used to be the working capital of the UK until someone sent all the jobs to China and put them all on the dole, then people like you had the cheek to blame the people of Merthyr for being unemployed or on sickness benefits. Did you tell them this was the way you felt about them when you were out looking for their vote or did you hide your views and lie to them?

I have you know that for many years when I was living upin Merthyr I couldn't get a job locally so travelled back and fourth to Cardiff every single day because of work. The latest figures suggest around 20,000 people travel from the valleys the Cardiff area for work so my question has always been why can't others do it..? The public transport is better now than it ever has been so that can't be a problem. The problem is that the benefits are too much,plain and simple. During the Labour years then benefit cost ballooned to levels which were never going to continue so sooner rathetr than later thosecosts were going to come back down. Even Labours cuts weren'tmuch less than what this government is already doing and if you listen to them they haven't got an alternative plan

ANGRY MAN..... WILL YOU ANSWER MY QUESTION FOR ME????

I keep asking a straight forward question but you seem to miss it or ignore it. Why thuogh I don't know.

Anyway here is my question again!!!

With you being more right wing than Thatcher was and Merthyr being more left wing than Cuba. How did you get elected up there? Who did you stand for and how did an extreme right wing person manage to get voted in up there?

People vote for people mainly and not for parties on local elections. However the previous one was campaigned very well on the 'send Cameron a message' issue. Yet what people didn't realise was that Cameron wouldn't give a shit about Labour MP heartlands like Merthyr.

There's a saying in the valley's that goes along the lines of "if it's got a red flag in it then I'll vote for it". No offence but people don't vote clever, they just vote Labour. Not always great but true none the less.

When you were campaigning, did you tell the people about your extremist right wing views on things like benefits and the disabled? It's just I would have thought the people of Merthyr would have expected you to have a more sympathetic stance on these issues. What with Merthyr being the benefit capital of the UK.

It used to be the working capital of the UK until someone sent all the jobs to China and put them all on the dole, then people like you had the cheek to blame the people of Merthyr for being unemployed or on sickness benefits. Did you tell them this was the way you felt about them when you were out looking for their vote or did you hide your views and lie to them?

Excatly but thats mainly for general elections these days.

what are my extremist views on benefits and the disabled then..? Also its a fact that most people in the Gurnos actually work and most people Nationally actually support a clampdown on benefits. People knew my background in recruitment and during my time I brought jobs to the area through development projects such as the ones I mentioned previously.

People who haven't campaigned before will probably think that everything is black and white when talking to people on the doorstep but its not as there can be a whole range of issues especially in local elections. Hense why unemployment or benefit issues would hardly come up because they know the council cant do anything about that. But after a while that range of issues can then be put into areas for you to work and campaign on. Believe me theres alot of homework and expense for an election if you really want to get in but if you want to go for it in 4 years time then you need to start working at it now

So are you saying you don't think your views expressed on here on a regular basis are extremist? You make the Daily Mail look like The Watch Tower.
You being voted in at Merthyr is like Enouch Powel being voted in at Brixton. Just an observation like!

Now the only way Enouch Powel could get voted in at a place like Brixton would be if he hid his true views and told another story. So is that what you did?

ANGRY MAN..... WILL YOU ANSWER MY QUESTION FOR ME????


With you being more right wing than Thatcher was and Merthyr being more left wing than Cuba. How did you get elected up there? Who did you stand for and how did an extreme right wing person manage to get voted in up there?

I keep asking a straight forward question but you seem to miss it or ignore it. Why thuogh I don't know.

Anyway here is my question again!!!
People vote for people mainly and not for parties on local elections. However the previous one was campaigned very well on the 'send Cameron a message' issue. Yet what people didn't realise was that Cameron wouldn't give a shit about Labour MP heartlands like Merthyr.

There's a saying in the valley's that goes along the lines of "if it's got a red flag in it then I'll vote for it". No offence but people don't vote clever, they just vote Labour. Not always great but true none the less.

When you were campaigning, did you tell the people about your extremist right wing views on things like benefits and the disabled? It's just I would have thought the people of Merthyr would have expected you to have a more sympathetic stance on these issues. What with Merthyr being the benefit capital of the UK.

It used to be the working capital of the UK until someone sent all the jobs to China and put them all on the dole, then people like you had the cheek to blame the people of Merthyr for being unemployed or on sickness benefits. Did you tell them this was the way you felt about them when you were out looking for their vote or did you hide your views and lie to them?

Excatly but thats mainly for general elections these days.

what are my extremist views on benefits and the disabled then..? Also its a fact that most people in the Gurnos actually work and most people Nationally actually support a clampdown on benefits. People knew my background in recruitment and during my time I brought jobs to the area through development projects such as the ones I mentioned previously.

People who haven't campaigned before will probably think that everything is black and white when talking to people on the doorstep but its not as there can be a whole range of issues especially in local elections. Hense why unemployment or benefit issues would hardly come up because they know the council cant do anything about that. But after a while that range of issues can then be put into areas for you to work and campaign on. Believe me theres alot of homework and expense for an election if you really want to get in but if you want to go for it in 4 years time then you need to start working at it now

So are you saying you don't think your views expressed on here on a regular basis are extremist? You make the Daily Mail look like The Watch Tower.
You being voted in at Merthyr is like Enouch Powel being voted in at Brixton. Just an observation like!

Now the only way Enouch Powel could get voted in at a place like Brixton would be if he hid his true views and told another story. So is that what you did?

Berwyn this is a rubbish attempt to try and get at me because you don't know about any of the campaigns or issues the area had at the time. I tellyou what, go and do some homework on the issue before grabbing at straws. Oh and for the record EVERY promise I made in my manifesto was achieved, I wonder how many others could say that,

ANGRY MAN..... WILL YOU ANSWER MY QUESTION FOR ME????

I keep asking a straight forward question but you seem to miss it or ignore it. Why thuogh I don't know.

Anyway here is my question again!!!

With you being more right wing than Thatcher was and Merthyr being more left wing than Cuba. How did you get elected up there? Who did you stand for and how did an extreme right wing person manage to get voted in up there?

People vote for people mainly and not for parties on local elections. However the previous one was campaigned very well on the 'send Cameron a message' issue. Yet what people didn't realise was that Cameron wouldn't give a shit about Labour MP heartlands like Merthyr.

There's a saying in the valley's that goes along the lines of "if it's got a red flag in it then I'll vote for it". No offence but people don't vote clever, they just vote Labour. Not always great but true none the less.

When you were campaigning, did you tell the people about your extremist right wing views on things like benefits and the disabled? It's just I would have thought the people of Merthyr would have expected you to have a more sympathetic stance on these issues. What with Merthyr being the benefit capital of the UK.

It used to be the working capital of the UK until someone sent all the jobs to China and put them all on the dole, then people like you had the cheek to blame the people of Merthyr for being unemployed or on sickness benefits. Did you tell them this was the way you felt about them when you were out looking for their vote or did you hide your views and lie to them?

I have you know that for many years when I was living upin Merthyr I couldn't get a job locally so travelled back and fourth to Cardiff every single day because of work. The latest figures suggest around 20,000 people travel from the valleys the Cardiff area for work so my question has always been why can't others do it..? The public transport is better now than it ever has been so that can't be a problem. The problem is that the benefits are too much,plain and simple. During the Labour years then benefit cost ballooned to levels which were never going to continue so sooner rathetr than later thosecosts were going to come back down. Even Labours cuts weren'tmuch less than what this government is already doing and if you listen to them they haven't got an alternative plan

Yes people do travel in to Cardiff. But there are also people from Cardiff who are unemployed and struggling to find work. There are also people who live a stone throw away from Cardiff, such as Caerphilly etc, who are struggling to find work. Are you saying there are enough jobs going in Cardiff to take every single person on the dole within a 25 mile radius of the City center?

Someone who has just lost his job will get £60 quid a week off the dole. Are you saying that is too much, baring in mind whilst they were working they were paying around £900 quid a month in to the tax pot?

ANGRY MAN..... WILL YOU ANSWER MY QUESTION FOR ME????


With you being more right wing than Thatcher was and Merthyr being more left wing than Cuba. How did you get elected up there? Who did you stand for and how did an extreme right wing person manage to get voted in up there?

I keep asking a straight forward question but you seem to miss it or ignore it. Why thuogh I don't know.

Anyway here is my question again!!!
People vote for people mainly and not for parties on local elections. However the previous one was campaigned very well on the 'send Cameron a message' issue. Yet what people didn't realise was that Cameron wouldn't give a shit about Labour MP heartlands like Merthyr.

There's a saying in the valley's that goes along the lines of "if it's got a red flag in it then I'll vote for it". No offence but people don't vote clever, they just vote Labour. Not always great but true none the less.

When you were campaigning, did you tell the people about your extremist right wing views on things like benefits and the disabled? It's just I would have thought the people of Merthyr would have expected you to have a more sympathetic stance on these issues. What with Merthyr being the benefit capital of the UK.

It used to be the working capital of the UK until someone sent all the jobs to China and put them all on the dole, then people like you had the cheek to blame the people of Merthyr for being unemployed or on sickness benefits. Did you tell them this was the way you felt about them when you were out looking for their vote or did you hide your views and lie to them?

Excatly but thats mainly for general elections these days.

what are my extremist views on benefits and the disabled then..? Also its a fact that most people in the Gurnos actually work and most people Nationally actually support a clampdown on benefits. People knew my background in recruitment and during my time I brought jobs to the area through development projects such as the ones I mentioned previously.

People who haven't campaigned before will probably think that everything is black and white when talking to people on the doorstep but its not as there can be a whole range of issues especially in local elections. Hense why unemployment or benefit issues would hardly come up because they know the council cant do anything about that. But after a while that range of issues can then be put into areas for you to work and campaign on. Believe me theres alot of homework and expense for an election if you really want to get in but if you want to go for it in 4 years time then you need to start working at it now

So are you saying you don't think your views expressed on here on a regular basis are extremist? You make the Daily Mail look like The Watch Tower.
You being voted in at Merthyr is like Enouch Powel being voted in at Brixton. Just an observation like!

Now the only way Enouch Powel could get voted in at a place like Brixton would be if he hid his true views and told another story. So is that what you did?

Berwyn this is a rubbish attempt to try and get at me because you don't know about any of the campaigns or issues the area had at the time. I tellyou what, go and do some homework on the issue before grabbing at straws. Oh and for the record EVERY promise I made in my manifesto was achieved, I wonder how many others could say that,

But did you tell them they were votinng for a facist?

ANGRY MAN..... WILL YOU ANSWER MY QUESTION FOR ME????

I keep asking a straight forward question but you seem to miss it or ignore it. Why thuogh I don't know.

Anyway here is my question again!!!

With you being more right wing than Thatcher was and Merthyr being more left wing than Cuba. How did you get elected up there? Who did you stand for and how did an extreme right wing person manage to get voted in up there?

People vote for people mainly and not for parties on local elections. However the previous one was campaigned very well on the 'send Cameron a message' issue. Yet what people didn't realise was that Cameron wouldn't give a shit about Labour MP heartlands like Merthyr.

There's a saying in the valley's that goes along the lines of "if it's got a red flag in it then I'll vote for it". No offence but people don't vote clever, they just vote Labour. Not always great but true none the less.

When you were campaigning, did you tell the people about your extremist right wing views on things like benefits and the disabled? It's just I would have thought the people of Merthyr would have expected you to have a more sympathetic stance on these issues. What with Merthyr being the benefit capital of the UK.

It used to be the working capital of the UK until someone sent all the jobs to China and put them all on the dole, then people like you had the cheek to blame the people of Merthyr for being unemployed or on sickness benefits. Did you tell them this was the way you felt about them when you were out looking for their vote or did you hide your views and lie to them?

I have you know that for many years when I was living upin Merthyr I couldn't get a job locally so travelled back and fourth to Cardiff every single day because of work. The latest figures suggest around 20,000 people travel from the valleys the Cardiff area for work so my question has always been why can't others do it..? The public transport is better now than it ever has been so that can't be a problem. The problem is that the benefits are too much,plain and simple. During the Labour years then benefit cost ballooned to levels which were never going to continue so sooner rathetr than later thosecosts were going to come back down. Even Labours cuts weren'tmuch less than what this government is already doing and if you listen to them they haven't got an alternative plan

Yes people do travel in to Cardiff. But there are also people from Cardiff who are unemployed and struggling to find work. There are also people who live a stone throw away from Cardiff, such as Caerphilly etc, who are struggling to find work. Are you saying there are enough jobs going in Cardiff to take every single person on the dole within a 25 mile radius of the City center?

Someone who has just lost his job will get £60 quid a week off the dole. Are you saying that is too much, baring in mind whilst they were working they were paying around £900 quid a month in to the tax pot?

theres winners and lossers in this world even in the good times the unemployment levels weren't 0!!!

But its not just £60 quid is it, its the added benefits on top like free council tax and so on. Like it or not it all costs money.

People like yourself may not believe this that there is alot of work out there. I have never been so busy in recruitment as I have right now and bearing in mind I started in the area over 12 years ago. Theres a few problems, people who think they are entilied to a £50k job when they leave Uni (believe me theres alot with that mindset) and people who think jobs are too beneath them. When I was cash-strapped a coupleof yearsd ago I work 3 yes 3 full times jobs to make ends make and it was the hardest time of my life. But it was my fault why I got into the mess and it was up to me to get out of it. Its called personal responsibility.

ANGRY MAN..... WILL YOU ANSWER MY QUESTION FOR ME????

I keep asking a straight forward question but you seem to miss it or ignore it. Why thuogh I don't know.

Anyway here is my question again!!!

With you being more right wing than Thatcher was and Merthyr being more left wing than Cuba. How did you get elected up there? Who did you stand for and how did an extreme right wing person manage to get voted in up there?

People vote for people mainly and not for parties on local elections. However the previous one was campaigned very well on the 'send Cameron a message' issue. Yet what people didn't realise was that Cameron wouldn't give a shit about Labour MP heartlands like Merthyr.

There's a saying in the valley's that goes along the lines of "if it's got a red flag in it then I'll vote for it". No offence but people don't vote clever, they just vote Labour. Not always great but true none the less.

When you were campaigning, did you tell the people about your extremist right wing views on things like benefits and the disabled? It's just I would have thought the people of Merthyr would have expected you to have a more sympathetic stance on these issues. What with Merthyr being the benefit capital of the UK.

It used to be the working capital of the UK until someone sent all the jobs to China and put them all on the dole, then people like you had the cheek to blame the people of Merthyr for being unemployed or on sickness benefits. Did you tell them this was the way you felt about them when you were out looking for their vote or did you hide your views and lie to them?

I have you know that for many years when I was living upin Merthyr I couldn't get a job locally so travelled back and fourth to Cardiff every single day because of work. The latest figures suggest around 20,000 people travel from the valleys the Cardiff area for work so my question has always been why can't others do it..? The public transport is better now than it ever has been so that can't be a problem. The problem is that the benefits are too much,plain and simple. During the Labour years then benefit cost ballooned to levels which were never going to continue so sooner rathetr than later thosecosts were going to come back down. Even Labours cuts weren'tmuch less than what this government is already doing and if you listen to them they haven't got an alternative plan

Yes people do travel in to Cardiff. But there are also people from Cardiff who are unemployed and struggling to find work. There are also people who live a stone throw away from Cardiff, such as Caerphilly etc, who are struggling to find work. Are you saying there are enough jobs going in Cardiff to take every single person on the dole within a 25 mile radius of the City center?

Someone who has just lost his job will get £60 quid a week off the dole. Are you saying that is too much, baring in mind whilst they were working they were paying around £900 quid a month in to the tax pot?

theres winners and lossers in this world even in the good times the unemployment levels weren't 0!!!

But its not just £60 quid is it, its the added benefits on top like free council tax and so on. Like it or not it all costs money.

People like yourself may not believe this that there is alot of work out there. I have never been so busy in recruitment as I have right now and bearing in mind I started in the area over 12 years ago. Theres a few problems, people who think they are entilied to a £50k job when they leave Uni (believe me theres alot with that mindset) and people who think jobs are too beneath them. When I was cash-strapped a coupleof yearsd ago I work 3 yes 3 full times jobs to make ends make and it was the hardest time of my life. But it was my fault why I got into the mess and it was up to me to get out of it. Its called personal responsibility.

Well a while back I lost my job and that's all I got was 60 quid a week. I had some council tax help but not much, it certainly wasn't free as you say. Whilst desperately searching for work and having around two or three interviews a week, I had to pay the bills including mortgage out of that 60 quid. And no I didn't get any help with my mortgage.

Now I look at my pay slip and I see the £900 quid a month the government rapes off me and I think why should I give them anything? Why can't I now just give them back the 60 quid a week they gave me?

So when people take from the system it's because they've paid in. There's a lot of people asking for help now who have paid in to the system far more than they are getting out of it now they are on their downers. Being a facist though you won't understand that. I am a big beleiver in karma though and one day I am sure you'll find yourself in need of a bit of help, a bit of pay back for the years you paid in to the system. Lets see how you crack on with that 60 quid.

Anyway this is getting away from the point. Did you knock the door of a voter in Merthyr and say "I notice you are on the dole. Why are you scrounging of the state when you could catch a bus to Cardiff?".

Or did you just lie to them about your views on them?

The problem is that the benefits are too much,plain and simple.

f**k me adam it was only a few months back on here in a thread you thought familys was getting £50 a week to live off on the benefits system untill you was corrected, now thats to much you say, your so far out of touch with whats going on out there lets face it, how laughable you are so please make your mind up. Berwyn you got more chance of getting sence out of a brick wall than trying to talk to that clown brown as they guys on a diffrent planet.

With you being more right wing than Thatcher was and Merthyr being more left wing than Cuba. How did you get elected up there? Who did you stand for and how did an extreme right wing person manage to get voted in up there?

People vote for people mainly and not for parties on local elections. However the previous one was campaigned very well on the 'send Cameron a message' issue. Yet what people didn't realise was that Cameron wouldn't give a shit about Labour MP heartlands like Merthyr.[/quote]

There's a saying in the valley's that goes along the lines of "if it's got a red flag in it then I'll vote for it". No offence but people don't vote clever, they just vote Labour. Not always great but true none the less.

When you were campaigning, did you tell the people about your extremist right wing views on things like benefits and the disabled? It's just I would have thought the people of Merthyr would have expected you to have a more sympathetic stance on these issues. What with Merthyr being the benefit capital of the UK.

It used to be the working capital of the UK until someone sent all the jobs to China and put them all on the dole, then people like you had the cheek to blame the people of Merthyr for being unemployed or on sickness benefits. Did you tell them this was the way you felt about them when you were out looking for their vote or did you hide your views and lie to them?[/quote]

I have you know that for many years when I was living upin Merthyr I couldn't get a job locally so travelled back and fourth to Cardiff every single day because of work. The latest figures suggest around 20,000 people travel from the valleys the Cardiff area for work so my question has always been why can't others do it..? The public transport is better now than it ever has been so that can't be a problem. The problem is that the benefits are too much,plain and simple. During the Labour years then benefit cost ballooned to levels which were never going to continue so sooner rathetr than later thosecosts were going to come back down. Even Labours cuts weren'tmuch less than what this government is already doing and if you listen to them they haven't got an alternative plan[/quote]

Yes people do travel in to Cardiff. But there are also people from Cardiff who are unemployed and struggling to find work. There are also people who live a stone throw away from Cardiff, such as Caerphilly etc, who are struggling to find work. Are you saying there are enough jobs going in Cardiff to take every single person on the dole within a 25 mile radius of the City center?

Someone who has just lost his job will get £60 quid a week off the dole. Are you saying that is too much, baring in mind whilst they were working they were paying around £900 quid a month in to the tax pot?[/quote]

theres winners and lossers in this world even in the good times the unemployment levels weren't 0!!!

But its not just £60 quid is it, its the added benefits on top like free council tax and so on. Like it or not it all costs money.

People like yourself may not believe this that there is alot of work out there. I have never been so busy in recruitment as I have right now and bearing in mind I started in the area over 12 years ago. Theres a few problems, people who think they are entilied to a £50k job when they leave Uni (believe me theres alot with that mindset) and people who think jobs are too beneath them. When I was cash-strapped a coupleof yearsd ago I work 3 yes 3 full times jobs to make ends make and it was the hardest time of my life. But it was my fault why I got into the mess and it was up to me to get out of it. Its called personal responsibility.[/quote]

Well a while back I lost my job and that's all I got was 60 quid a week. I had some council tax help but not much, it certainly wasn't free as you say. Whilst desperately searching for work and having around two or three interviews a week, I had to pay the bills including mortgage out of that 60 quid. And no I didn't get any help with my mortgage.

Now I look at my pay slip and I see the £900 quid a month the government rapes off me and I think why should I give them anything? Why can't I now just give them back the 60 quid a week they gave me?

So when people take from the system it's because they've paid in. There's a lot of people asking for help now who have paid in to the system far more than they are getting out of it now they are on their downers. Being a facist though you won't understand that. I am a big beleiver in karma though and one day I am sure you'll find yourself in need of a bit of help, a bit of pay back for the years you paid in to the system. Lets see how you crack on with that 60 quid.

Anyway this is getting away from the point. Did you knock the door of a voter in Merthyr and say "I notice you are on the dole. Why are you scrounging of the state when you could catch a bus to Cardiff?".

Or did you just lie to them about your views on them?[/quote]

You are completely mixing up local politics with national politics. It is two completely different things. Did I or did I not tell you eariler that it wasn't long backthat I had to work 3 full time jobs!!! Thats one in the day,one in the night and one in between!!!! and why..? because I had too and you know what.I've never been so proud of myself that I work three shit paying jobs for two years, hardly seeing my family yet alone go out with the lads because I took on the risk of a large mortgage and other bills so because I firmly believe in personal responsibility then I did it!!! One of the jobs was to get my taxi licence. Not the best job by far but it brings in much needed extra money so there's absolutely nothing stoping a person with a licence to drive a car to get their taxi licence if they are so hard up.

If it meant doing the shitest job inthe world to ensure the bills get paid then I would do it. Unfortunately that mindset has changed with many because the benefits are far too much these days.

The problem is that the benefits are too much,plain and simple.

f**k me adam it was only a few months back on here in a thread you thought familys was getting £50 a week to live off on the benefits system untill you was corrected, now thats to much you say, your so far out of touch with whats going on out there lets face it, how laughable you are so please make your mind up. Berwyn you got more chance of getting sence out of a brick wall than trying to talk to that clown brown as they guys on a diffrent planet.

As I mentioned before its more than just the single benefit as there are other benefits which also come into place.

I would say around 25 people per day turn down work with me for whatever reason. Yet 'appranetly' there's no workout there!!!

People have a pop at agencies but Im afirm believer that something is better than nothing especially when paying of bills relays on it.

I've been struggling to get guys so much that I end up putting a post up on this forum FFS!!!!

The problem is that the benefits are too much,plain and simple.

f**k me adam it was only a few months back on here in a thread you thought familys was getting £50 a week to live off on the benefits system untill you was corrected, now thats to much you say, your so far out of touch with whats going on out there lets face it, how laughable you are so please make your mind up. Berwyn you got more chance of getting sence out of a brick wall than trying to talk to that clown brown as they guys on a diffrent planet.

As I mentioned before its more than just the single benefit as there are other benefits which also come into place.

What like housing, council tax thats all people get payed for so how is it in there pocket, like i said it wasnt so long back you said familys was getting about £50 a week now to berwyn you say benefits are to much how does a family feed, clothe, gas, electric on £50quid a week then or is that to much to live on now. How they do i have no idea it must be hard as f**k but people do it somehow, what i find most amazing is merthyr is a dump jobs wise my missis oldman who got layed off from remploy went there to the jobcenter and found 12 jobs on the jobcenter machine there believe it or not yet seven of them are for translators in the area which he does not speak polish or uzbekistan the others was £6 and hour eight hours a week cleaning jobs wtf is that all about yet whats more important in your eyes for people up that area was was a poxy post office being kept open, your so far out of touch with people in the real world adam, theres still hundreds of locals layed off from hoovers years ago looking for jobs and who would emply a load of 50 something who worked there all there working lives when he can get a 17year old on little wages, wake up will you.

The problem is that the benefits are too much,plain and simple.

f**k me adam it was only a few months back on here in a thread you thought familys was getting £50 a week to live off on the benefits system untill you was corrected, now thats to much you say, your so far out of touch with whats going on out there lets face it, how laughable you are so please make your mind up. Berwyn you got more chance of getting sence out of a brick wall than trying to talk to that clown brown as they guys on a diffrent planet.

As I mentioned before its more than just the single benefit as there are other benefits which also come into place.

What like housing, council tax thats all people get payed for so how is it in there pocket, like i said it wasnt so long back you said familys was getting about £50 a week now to berwyn you say benefits are to much how does a family feed, clothe, gas, electric on £50quid a week then or is that to much to live on now. How they do i have no idea it must be hard as f**k but people do it somehow, what i find most amazing is merthyr is a dump jobs wise my missis oldman who got layed off from remploy went there to the jobcenter and found 12 jobs on the jobcenter machine there believe it or not yet seven of them are for translators in the area which he does not speak polish or uzbekistan the others was £6 and hour eight hours a week cleaning jobs wtf is that all about yet whats more important in your eyes for people up that area was was a poxy post office being kept open, your so far out of touch with people in the real world adam, theres still hundreds of locals layed off from hoovers years ago looking for jobs and who would emply a 509something when he can get a 17year old on little wages, wake up will you.

Unfortunately for many reasons the main bulk of jobs are around the M4 corridor. What can the local council do about that..? Pick the town up and plonk it alongside the M4!!!! The Heads of the Valleys improvement will help yet that wont be completed for years to come. Again the local council have nothing to do with that as that is owned by the Welsh Government.

You mention the Hoovers jobs. hmmmmm That shut down when Labour were in power, the UK labour government were financially helping the car industry and other companies and the Welsh Labour Government were also helping companies financially but nothing was offered to Hoovers. So who did let the workers down..?

The Hoover site is still owned by Hoovers themselves and are asking too much for the land which has turned away the council,the welsh government and morrisons who where all interested. So what can anyone do..?

Then if you go back to the 1970's Hoovers dicated to the local council (Labour run at the time) that if they approved plans for car manufactorers to base themselves there then they would pull out because of the fear of losing their workforce!!!

All a local council can do workwise is to explain local public sector and drop business rates. Everything else is down to national politicans. FACT!!!

small local developements also bring jobs on avery small scale but its a dropin the ocean compared to what you are talking about.

f**k me he's still going on

Crikey is this thread still going ?

I keep asking a straight forward question but you seem to miss it or ignore it. Why thuogh I don't know.

Anyway here is my question again!!!

With you being more right wing than Thatcher was and Merthyr being more left wing than Cuba. How did you get elected up there? Who did you stand for and how did an extreme right wing person manage to get voted in up there?[/quote]

People vote for people mainly and not for parties on local elections. However the previous one was campaigned very well on the 'send Cameron a message' issue. Yet what people didn't realise was that Cameron wouldn't give a shit about Labour MP heartlands like Merthyr.[/quote]

There's a saying in the valley's that goes along the lines of "if it's got a red flag in it then I'll vote for it". No offence but people don't vote clever, they just vote Labour. Not always great but true none the less.

When you were campaigning, did you tell the people about your extremist right wing views on things like benefits and the disabled? It's just I would have thought the people of Merthyr would have expected you to have a more sympathetic stance on these issues. What with Merthyr being the benefit capital of the UK.

It used to be the working capital of the UK until someone sent all the jobs to China and put them all on the dole, then people like you had the cheek to blame the people of Merthyr for being unemployed or on sickness benefits. Did you tell them this was the way you felt about them when you were out looking for their vote or did you hide your views and lie to them?[/quote]

I have you know that for many years when I was living upin Merthyr I couldn't get a job locally so travelled back and fourth to Cardiff every single day because of work. The latest figures suggest around 20,000 people travel from the valleys the Cardiff area for work so my question has always been why can't others do it..? The public transport is better now than it ever has been so that can't be a problem. The problem is that the benefits are too much,plain and simple. During the Labour years then benefit cost ballooned to levels which were never going to continue so sooner rathetr than later thosecosts were going to come back down. Even Labours cuts weren'tmuch less than what this government is already doing and if you listen to them they haven't got an alternative plan[/quote]

Yes people do travel in to Cardiff. But there are also people from Cardiff who are unemployed and struggling to find work. There are also people who live a stone throw away from Cardiff, such as Caerphilly etc, who are struggling to find work. Are you saying there are enough jobs going in Cardiff to take every single person on the dole within a 25 mile radius of the City center?

Someone who has just lost his job will get £60 quid a week off the dole. Are you saying that is too much, baring in mind whilst they were working they were paying around £900 quid a month in to the tax pot?[/quote]

theres winners and lossers in this world even in the good times the unemployment levels weren't 0!!!

But its not just £60 quid is it, its the added benefits on top like free council tax and so on. Like it or not it all costs money.

People like yourself may not believe this that there is alot of work out there. I have never been so busy in recruitment as I have right now and bearing in mind I started in the area over 12 years ago. Theres a few problems, people who think they are entilied to a £50k job when they leave Uni (believe me theres alot with that mindset) and people who think jobs are too beneath them. When I was cash-strapped a coupleof yearsd ago I work 3 yes 3 full times jobs to make ends make and it was the hardest time of my life. But it was my fault why I got into the mess and it was up to me to get out of it. Its called personal responsibility.[/quote]

Well a while back I lost my job and that's all I got was 60 quid a week. I had some council tax help but not much, it certainly wasn't free as you say. Whilst desperately searching for work and having around two or three interviews a week, I had to pay the bills including mortgage out of that 60 quid. And no I didn't get any help with my mortgage.

Now I look at my pay slip and I see the £900 quid a month the government rapes off me and I think why should I give them anything? Why can't I now just give them back the 60 quid a week they gave me?

So when people take from the system it's because they've paid in. There's a lot of people asking for help now who have paid in to the system far more than they are getting out of it now they are on their downers. Being a facist though you won't understand that. I am a big beleiver in karma though and one day I am sure you'll find yourself in need of a bit of help, a bit of pay back for the years you paid in to the system. Lets see how you crack on with that 60 quid.

Anyway this is getting away from the point. Did you knock the door of a voter in Merthyr and say "I notice you are on the dole. Why are you scrounging of the state when you could catch a bus to Cardiff?".

Or did you just lie to them about your views on them?[/quote]

I thought you were sacked for leaking information to the News of the World for cash payments ?

Berwyn you didnt lose your job you got sacked didnt you for leaking stories to the News of the World for cash payments?

Or am i mistaken.

I keep asking a straight forward question but you seem to miss it or ignore it. Why thuogh I don't know.

Anyway here is my question again!!!

With you being more right wing than Thatcher was and Merthyr being more left wing than Cuba. How did you get elected up there? Who did you stand for and how did an extreme right wing person manage to get voted in up there?[/quote]

People vote for people mainly and not for parties on local elections. However the previous one was campaigned very well on the 'send Cameron a message' issue. Yet what people didn't realise was that Cameron wouldn't give a shit about Labour MP heartlands like Merthyr.[/quote]

There's a saying in the valley's that goes along the lines of "if it's got a red flag in it then I'll vote for it". No offence but people don't vote clever, they just vote Labour. Not always great but true none the less.

When you were campaigning, did you tell the people about your extremist right wing views on things like benefits and the disabled? It's just I would have thought the people of Merthyr would have expected you to have a more sympathetic stance on these issues. What with Merthyr being the benefit capital of the UK.

It used to be the working capital of the UK until someone sent all the jobs to China and put them all on the dole, then people like you had the cheek to blame the people of Merthyr for being unemployed or on sickness benefits. Did you tell them this was the way you felt about them when you were out looking for their vote or did you hide your views and lie to them?[/quote]

I have you know that for many years when I was living upin Merthyr I couldn't get a job locally so travelled back and fourth to Cardiff every single day because of work. The latest figures suggest around 20,000 people travel from the valleys the Cardiff area for work so my question has always been why can't others do it..? The public transport is better now than it ever has been so that can't be a problem. The problem is that the benefits are too much,plain and simple. During the Labour years then benefit cost ballooned to levels which were never going to continue so sooner rathetr than later thosecosts were going to come back down. Even Labours cuts weren'tmuch less than what this government is already doing and if you listen to them they haven't got an alternative plan[/quote]

Yes people do travel in to Cardiff. But there are also people from Cardiff who are unemployed and struggling to find work. There are also people who live a stone throw away from Cardiff, such as Caerphilly etc, who are struggling to find work. Are you saying there are enough jobs going in Cardiff to take every single person on the dole within a 25 mile radius of the City center?

Someone who has just lost his job will get £60 quid a week off the dole. Are you saying that is too much, baring in mind whilst they were working they were paying around £900 quid a month in to the tax pot?[/quote]

theres winners and lossers in this world even in the good times the unemployment levels weren't 0!!!

But its not just £60 quid is it, its the added benefits on top like free council tax and so on. Like it or not it all costs money.

People like yourself may not believe this that there is alot of work out there. I have never been so busy in recruitment as I have right now and bearing in mind I started in the area over 12 years ago. Theres a few problems, people who think they are entilied to a £50k job when they leave Uni (believe me theres alot with that mindset) and people who think jobs are too beneath them. When I was cash-strapped a coupleof yearsd ago I work 3 yes 3 full times jobs to make ends make and it was the hardest time of my life. But it was my fault why I got into the mess and it was up to me to get out of it. Its called personal responsibility.[/quote]

Well a while back I lost my job and that's all I got was 60 quid a week. I had some council tax help but not much, it certainly wasn't free as you say. Whilst desperately searching for work and having around two or three interviews a week, I had to pay the bills including mortgage out of that 60 quid. And no I didn't get any help with my mortgage.

Now I look at my pay slip and I see the £900 quid a month the government rapes off me and I think why should I give them anything? Why can't I now just give them back the 60 quid a week they gave me?

So when people take from the system it's because they've paid in. There's a lot of people asking for help now who have paid in to the system far more than they are getting out of it now they are on their downers. Being a facist though you won't understand that. I am a big beleiver in karma though and one day I am sure you'll find yourself in need of a bit of help, a bit of pay back for the years you paid in to the system. Lets see how you crack on with that 60 quid.

Anyway this is getting away from the point. Did you knock the door of a voter in Merthyr and say "I notice you are on the dole. Why are you scrounging of the state when you could catch a bus to Cardiff?".

Or did you just lie to them about your views on them?[/quote]

If thats true - well done Adam !!! they should scrap the dole and make them work for it with community work - 3/4 of them would sign of tomorrow !!

it makes you laugh - heres berwyn moaning about the tax he pays

did you pay tax on your cash bungs berwyn

Adam, how the f**k can anyone have 3 full time jobs at the same time? Last time I checked a full time job was 8 hours plus the travel time. And you say you travelled from merthyr. In your mad cap world do get more than 24 hours in a day? Or are you telling even more lies?

As for people turning your work down, to be fair no one not even the dole would blame them. Agian just more madcap lies.

ANGRY MAN..... WILL YOU ANSWER MY QUESTION FOR ME????

I keep asking a straight forward question but you seem to miss it or ignore it. Why thuogh I don't know.

Anyway here is my question again!!!

With you being more right wing than Thatcher was and Merthyr being more left wing than Cuba. How did you get elected up there? Who did you stand for and how did an extreme right wing person manage to get voted in up there?

People vote for people mainly and not for parties on local elections. However the previous one was campaigned very well on the 'send Cameron a message' issue. Yet what people didn't realise was that Cameron wouldn't give a shit about Labour MP heartlands like Merthyr.

There's a saying in the valley's that goes along the lines of "if it's got a red flag in it then I'll vote for it". No offence but people don't vote clever, they just vote Labour. Not always great but true none the less.

When you were campaigning, did you tell the people about your extremist right wing views on things like benefits and the disabled? It's just I would have thought the people of Merthyr would have expected you to have a more sympathetic stance on these issues. What with Merthyr being the benefit capital of the UK.

It used to be the working capital of the UK until someone sent all the jobs to China and put them all on the dole, then people like you had the cheek to blame the people of Merthyr for being unemployed or on sickness benefits. Did you tell them this was the way you felt about them when you were out looking for their vote or did you hide your views and lie to them?

Nothing wrong with China ---- they work far harder , they lead by example.

it makes you laugh - heres berwyn moaning about the tax he pays

did you pay tax on your cash bungs berwyn

I did yes steve. Did you pay tax on that bung you had off the bbc? Or don't you have to when its cash in a brown paer bag?