UPDATED DAILY : UK CORONAVIRUS - UPDATED 29/10/22

Nine out of ten patients in ICU with covid are unvaccinated according to Professor Rupert Pearce, an intensive care physician in London.
IF THIS IS CORRECT, then the scale of future restrictions and the period they will be imposed will no longer just be in the hands of our politicians, but also in the hands of the 'needle dodgers'
It's my understanding that additional restrictions will be placed to protect the NHS becoming even more overwhelmed.

While I wouldn't question Professor Pearce's estimation based on his own personal anecdotal experience in St Mary's the latest governmental data is very different.

When we look at the latest vaccine surveillance report and look at the data for COVID-19 cases presenting to emergency care (within 28 days of a positive specimen) resulting in an overnight inpatient admission by vaccination status between week 45 and week 48 2021 the data is as follows:

• Total hospitalisations: 8,156
• Unvaccinated: 3,060 (37%)
• Vaccinated one dose: 330 (4%)
• Vaccinated two doses 4,634 (57%)

There were also 88 cases within the data whose vaccine status was unknown.

Source: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... eek_49.pdf

Now, there is a perfectly valid discussion to be had if we factor in that within the total population a large percentage have had double vaccination so that will skew the data in that direction. Similarly, there are also valid questions about vaccine efficiency that could be raised as well.

However, neither of these are relevant to the point at hand in terms of the implications of Prof. Pearce's statement - which infers that the overwhelming majority of those submitted to ICU with COVID are unvaccinated - that is demonstrably false according to the UK Government data.

So for me, the questions that should have been asked of Prof. Pearce in that interview (I think it was originally Radio 4?) should have included:

• Are you talking about people admitted with COVID or all ICU patients admitted who are tested once in hospital?
• What proportion of patients within the 90% you are seeing with COVID have severe COVID symptoms and what proportion are asymptomatic/have mild symptoms.
• Why do you think that St Mary's ICU differs so wildly compared to the national data?

Sadly, the journalists don't ask meaningful questions anymore and when a soundbite like 9 out of 10 in ICU are unvaccinated their Christmas has just come early.

Thanks one again Sir Ealing for updating us with actual FACTS, not some medicine man plucking figures out of the air for a soundbite.

The problem is that people hear this garbage from a supposed "expert" and believe it hands down. This is causing a massive problem for the population who now just either do not believe a word on either side, or worse, hear something that fits with their agenda and purports it as fact.

Thanks one again Sir Ealing for updating us with actual FACTS, not some medicine man plucking figures out of the air for a soundbite.

The problem is that people hear this garbage from a supposed "expert" and believe it hands down. This is causing a massive problem for the population who now just either do not believe a word on either side, or worse, hear something that fits with their agenda and purports it as fact.

Cheers buddy - appreciate the kind words as always.

One thing I will say is that I don't necessarily deny what Prof. Pearce has said with regards to his experience in his ICU ward. It could well be the case that in his experience this is what he is seeing.

I'm not sure of the local demographics of Paddington but if it were here in Ealing then we have a very broad ethnic population in the borough and statistically certain demographic groups are more reluctant to take the vaccine than others which again could skew the data of that specific ICU versus the rest of the country. However, the headlines from his interview were irresponsible as they inferred something greater than what had been said.

For me, it is more the 'journalists' at blame for not asking the right questions that, in fairness Prof. Pearce may have clarified if prompted and also it is the journalists to blame for packaging the whole story up in a sensationalist rather than balanced manner.

To be honest, I'm just more prepared to give the doctor working on the frontlines in an ICU ward the benefit of the doubt than the lazy journalists looking for their next soundbite to spread more doom porn. That said Prof. Pearce could just be seeking his 15 minutes of fame - I don't know either way so I'll go with an assumption of the former and take him in good faith.

Journalism has been shown to have been well and truly dead the last two years - which is why I tend to look at the statistics and medical journals where possible rather than the 'news'.

Sadly, the vast majority of the world hasn't realised this yet and an ever more sensationalist press is still given the same credence as it was some 30 years ago when journalism actively tried to hold an objective truth that took a balanced view of both sides of a discussion.

I agree with your latter point as well.

We are increasingly becoming polarised as a society, with each side having little trust in the other. Again, I think the media has played a big role in that. Again, it is why we have to look at the data, not the headlines and try and put arguments forward grounded in fact and evidence rather than fear and anger.

Omicron: Mark Drakeford to announce Wales post-Christmas Covid rules -

Plans for Covid rules after Christmas in Wales will be announced by First Minister Mark Drakeford on Wednesday.

His government expects several thousand Omicron cases by 26 December, and says more restrictions are needed to prevent the NHS from being overwhelmed.

Measures could include table service, social distancing and a rule of six in pubs and restaurants.

Limits on indoor mixing, including a return to household bubbles, could also be on the cards.

But it is not clear whether households will simply be advised to limit socialising, or told to through new laws.

Although the changes would be implemented after Christmas, it is not clear precisely when.

But ministers are not expected to announce the kind of stay-at-home lockdown restrictions seen last Christmas.

Omicron up to 70% less likely to need hospital care -


People catching Omicron are 50% to 70% less likely to need hospital care compared with previous variants, a major analysis says.

The UK Health Security Agency says its early findings are "encouraging" but the variant could still lead to large numbers of people in hospital.

The health secretary said it was "too early" to determine "next steps".

The study also shows the jab's ability to stop people catching Omicron starts to wane 10 weeks after a booster dose.

Protection against severe disease is likely to be far more robust.

The report comes hot on the heels of data from South Africa, Denmark, England and Scotland which all pointed to reduced severity.

The latest analysis is based on all cases of Omicron and Delta in the UK since the beginning of November, including 132 people admitted to hospital with the variant. There have also been 14 deaths in people within 28 days of catching Omicron.

The report shows people catching Omicron are:

31% to 45% less likely to go to A&E

50% to 70% less likely to be admitted to hospital for treatment

However, a milder virus could still put pressure on hospitals because it spreads so fast.

Covid in Wales: Boosters paused Christmas Day and Boxing Day -

Covid booster jabs and vaccinations will be not be available in Wales on Christmas Day or 26 December, the Welsh government confirmed.

The service will resume on Monday, but in England the roll-out continues over both days.

By then, Wales will be under tougher restrictions, as part of the plan to tackle the new Omicron variant.

The rules will be introduced despite the UK Health Security Agency saying the variant is less likely to lead to hospital care.

The Welsh government said the restrictions, due to come in on Boxing Day, 26 December, were still needed because Omicron was spreading so fast it could lead to more people needing hospital treatment.

A spokesperson for Welsh Government said health boards were anticipating take-up of vaccination appointments would be very low on Christmas Day and 26 December, which is why vaccination centres will close for that short period.

The cognitive dissonance on this topic reminds me of those who Stalin had condemned to death on one of his long lists but who could not believe that he could do such a thing. Read Solzhenitsyn and others on this.

Here’s a thread extract from a blog I follow (Educated, successful people experienced in the ways of the World) in response to someone defending the jabs:

Why do you think the spike proteins are toxic ? They will only survive for a few days at most, anyway"
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Oh dear, D. It's the spike proteins that make Covid is so horrible for the sick. They bind to various organs and enable the virus to enter them. They are a weapon specifically designed to make you sick.

"They will only survive for a few days at most" They survive as long as they need to to damage you.
For Heaven's sake.

Hence the widespread clotting that is being reported as a result of the "vaccines" mimicking this. And remember, they are entirely synthetic. The Covid virus itself is yet to be isolated - the only thing we do know for sure is that humans have been fiddling with it for 20 or so years. And then we opened Pandora's box. (Fauci and the USA who paid the Chinese for the ‘gain of function ‘research in Wuhan –proven).
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And yes, we are the control group. I even have the t-shirt

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02039-y

"How the coronavirus infects cells — and why Delta is so dangerous"

What is fascinating is how quickly those of us who have made a reasoned decision not to take an experimental and very novel medical treatment have been stigmatised and demonised. Even in these fine halls, the scapegoaters assemble. You must be very proud of yourselves, I guess?
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X said...
For Don, who thinks the spike proteins harmless... (btw, there's any number of similar reports from all over the world. None in the MSM. Indeed, were you to get all your news from the BBC, you would have NO ideas of the tsunami (for that's what we say now, innit?) of deaths and adverse reactions from the clot shots)

https://conejoguardian.org/2021/12/14/m ... g-strokes/

Nurse has witnessed a surge in numbers of young people experiencing severe health problems after receiving Covid shots.

“We’ve been having a lot of younger people come in,” Sam says. “We’re seeing a lot of strokes, a lot of heart attacks.”

One 38-year-old-woman came in with occlusions (blockages of blood flow) in her brain.

“They [doctors] were searching for everything under the sun and documenting this in the chart, but nowhere do you see if she was vaccinated or not,” Sam says. “One thing the vaccine causes is thrombosis, clotting. Here you have a 38-year-old woman who was double-vaccinated and she’s having strokes they can’t explain. None of the doctors relates it to the vaccine. It’s garbage. It’s absolute garbage.”

Another woman, age 63, came in the day she took the Moderna Covid shot. With no previous cardiac history, she suffered a heart attack. Tests revealed her coronary arteries were clean.

“One doctor actually questioned the vaccine, but they didn’t mention it in the chart because you can’t prove it,” Sam says.

While hospitals are seeing more myocarditis, an associated side effect of the Covid shots, “Everyone wants to downplay it — ’It’s rare, it’s rare,’” Sam says. “Doctors don’t want to question it. We have these mass vaccinations happening and we’re seeing myocarditis more frequently and nobody wants to raise the red flag. When we discuss the case, they don’t even discuss it. They don’t mention it. They act like they don’t have a reason, that it’s spontaneous.”

EK said...
Indeed. I see no point in vaccinating the young, much less children.

Vaccination does not prevent the contagion - it simply mitigates the illness.

My wife was very sick with the jab the other week. Are we supposed to endure this every two or three months for the sake of something as weak as the common cold (which kills vulnerable people too.)
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EB said...
"On COVID vaccines: why they cannot work, and irrefutable
evidence of their causative role in deaths after vaccination"

For those who think the jabs are harmless. A lay person unread in matters medical should still be able to glean from this document why so many are being harmed by the jabs. It also explains why spike proteins are the
reason for the widespread reporting of adverse reactions*

Getting fed up with having to do research for those who a) can't be bothered & b( believe everything "authorities" tell them.

https://thewhiterose.uk/on-covid-vaccin ... ccination/

*Which the PTB knew was going to happen, witness this tender... "...expected high volume of Covid-19 vaccine Adverse Drug Reaction (ADRs..."

https://ted.europa.eu/udl?uri=TED:NOTIC ... HTML&src=0
Section II: Object

II.1)
Scope of the procurement
II.1.1)
Title:
SafetyConnect — AI

II.1.2)
Main CPV code
48000000 Software package and information systems
II.1.3)
Type of contract
Supplies

II.1.4)
Short description:
The MHRA urgently seeks an Artificial Intelligence (AI) software tool to process the expected high volume of Covid-19 vaccine Adverse Drug Reaction (ADRs) and ensure that no details from the ADRs’ reaction text are missed.

II.1.6)
Information about lots
This contract is divided into lots: no
II.1.7)
Total value of the procurement (excluding VAT)
Value excluding VAT: 1 500 000.00 GBP
II.2)
Description
II.2.2)
Additional CPV code(s)
48000000 Software package and information systems
II.2.3)

Place of performance
NUTS code: UK UNITED KINGDOM

II.2.4)
Description of the procurement:
The MHRA urgently seeks an Artificial Intelligence (AI) software tool to process the expected high volume of Covid-19 vaccine Adverse Drug Reaction (ADRs) and ensure that no details from the ADRs’ reaction text are missed.
12:24 pm
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S said...
The odd thing is that all the data to show the vaccines are a bust (ie do nothing to prevent its spread, that the protective effects wane very quickly and that they cause all manner of nasty side effects, up to and including instant death) is out in the open. You don't even have to accuse the authorities of operating a cover up, they have been meticulous (particularly in the UK) in documenting and publishing the statistics. All you have to do is look at it. But of course the MSM never do, they just print ludicrous made up scenarios dreamt up by Professor Doom and Gloom and his ilk.

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Of course all the above and most of the pro comments on this board do not cover the increased deaths and illness caused by the NHS shutting its doors and the economic damage caused by the lockdowns etc. Ignoring what comes next with the Control Agenda.

Maybe the report by Dr Peter Hampshire, director of critical care at Liverpool Royal Hospital just prior to Christmas is also 'bending the truth' when he stated that four out of every five covid patients in critical care at that hospital were unvaccinated.

Obviously this varies in different hospitals and regions.

Certainly, the latest covid vaccine surveillance report to week 51 suggests that the number of unvaccinated covid cases in UK presenting to emergency care between weeks 47 to 50 of 2021 has now increased to 45%. (3693 out of 8190)

Still seems a big percentage of people in critical care that are unvaccinated considering nearly 90% of people in UK aged over 12 had at least one vaccination.

I suppose we all have our own interpretation!

Coronavirus: Record 103 positive Covid-19 cases in Premier League -

A record 15,186 Covid-19 tests were administered between Monday December 20 and Sunday December 26, with testing increased to daily lateral flow and twice-weekly PCR tests last week as the league responded to rising Omicron levels

Shoppers shun Christmas sales as footfall drops amid Covid fears -

The number of people taking advantage of post-Christmas sales on Monday fell by 32% compared with 2019, new data shows, amid persistent Covid concerns.

Retail analyst Springboard said footfall figures were better than Boxing Day.

But popular shopping destinations such as central London saw a drop caused in part by disruption to rail services.

Shoppers chose to visit retail parks on Monday, but footfall there was still down 7.2% from pre-pandemic levels.

That contrasted with a sharp drop in footfall on High Streets, down 40.1% on 2019, and in shopping centres, which recorded a 38.8% decline.

"The greater attraction of retail parks is in part likely to be a result of shoppers restocking groceries following the weekend's festivities," said Diane Wehrle, insights director at Springboard.

It is a reversal of the trend seen on Boxing Day when more people shopped on High Streets than in retail parks. However, overall Boxing Day footfall figures were far lower than pre-Covid levels.

Prime Minister Boris Johnson stating "upto 90% of intensive care patients NOT vaccinated!"

Even if those figures are (at best) somewhat out of kilter, is this a coincidence or not?

From personal experience, I know what I think...

Prime Minister Boris Johnson stating "upto 90% of intensive care patients NOT vaccinated!"

Even if those figures are (at best) somewhat out of kilter, is this a coincidence or not?

From personal experience, I know what I think...

Don’t get the upto 90%. That could be anything. Plus he means booster doesn’t he?

Typical Boris doesn’t really make the message work.

He needs Cummings back so badly.

Prime Minister Boris Johnson stating "upto 90% of intensive care patients NOT vaccinated!"

Even if those figures are (at best) somewhat out of kilter, is this a coincidence or not?

From personal experience, I know what I think...

Wait Sven, you're not suggesting Boris is in fact MR BIRCHGROVE? Fairplay that was a twist I didn't see coming.

Maybe the report by Dr Peter Hampshire, director of critical care at Liverpool Royal Hospital just prior to Christmas is also 'bending the truth' when he stated that four out of every five covid patients in critical care at that hospital were unvaccinated.

Obviously this varies in different hospitals and regions.

Certainly, the latest covid vaccine surveillance report to week 51 suggests that the number of unvaccinated covid cases in UK presenting to emergency care between weeks 47 to 50 of 2021 has now increased to 45%. (3693 out of 8190)

Still seems a big percentage of people in critical care that are unvaccinated considering nearly 90% of people in UK aged over 12 had at least one vaccination.

I suppose we all have our own interpretation!

All these type of stats are skewed because 99% of the ancient and people close to death are vaccinated, there are always going to be mostly vaccinated in ICU and sadly dying.

We need stats on fit forty year olds, the hospitals are telling us that 9 out of 10 of those in ICU are unvaccinated, that's all they are trying to say.

Vaccinations are working but they are not a miracle cure and can't protect people who could just as easily die from lesser illnesses such as a water infection or catch pneumonia from a common cold.

Maybe the report by Dr Peter Hampshire, director of critical care at Liverpool Royal Hospital just prior to Christmas is also 'bending the truth' when he stated that four out of every five covid patients in critical care at that hospital were unvaccinated.

Obviously this varies in different hospitals and regions.

Certainly, the latest covid vaccine surveillance report to week 51 suggests that the number of unvaccinated covid cases in UK presenting to emergency care between weeks 47 to 50 of 2021 has now increased to 45%. (3693 out of 8190)

Still seems a big percentage of people in critical care that are unvaccinated considering nearly 90% of people in UK aged over 12 had at least one vaccination.

I suppose we all have our own interpretation!

All these type of stats are skewed because 99% of the ancient and people close to death are vaccinated, there are always going to be mostly vaccinated in ICU and sadly dying.

We need stats on fit forty year olds, the hospitals are telling us that 9 out of 10 of those in ICU are unvaccinated, that's all they are trying to say.

Vaccinations are working but they are not a miracle cure and can't protect people who could just as easily die from lesser illnesses such as a water infection or catch pneumonia from a common cold.

If we narrow down the stats from the same report to people aged 18 to 39; excluding the ancient people, (as you call them)
then out of the 1409 people in emergency care with covid, 827 were unvaccinated.
This represents nearly 59%.

These figures obviously change on a daily basis.

I'm am simply trying to highlight the high percentage of unvaccinated people in emergency care with covid considering the 90% on people over 12 have had at least one jab.
On this basis, it confirms without doubt how well the vaccines are working, if only minimally against the spread, but massively against hospitalisation and death.

By the way; just to clear things up; I am not Boris Johnson in disguise, I am his love child!!
Seriously, I don't listen to him but do tend to listen to medical experts

I'm not sure why people keep on banging on about vaccinated or unvaccinated or anything else. We do not have a vaccine for this virus, please get real and understand the reality of the situation. Whatever is getting jabbed into peoples arms, it is obviously NOT a vaccine.

vaccine
/ˈvaksiːn,ˈvaksɪn/
Learn to pronounce
noun
a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease.

The so called vaccine does NOT give you immunity, equally it does NOT stop you passing on the virus.Why get petty about people who have been jabbed or have not when it is patently obvious that quite frankly we are all in the same boat......however much you try to divide us.

I'm not sure why people keep on banging on about vaccinated or unvaccinated or anything else. We do not have a vaccine for this virus, please get real and understand the reality of the situation. Whatever is getting jabbed into peoples arms, it is obviously NOT a vaccine.

vaccine
/ˈvaksiːn,ˈvaksɪn/
Learn to pronounce
noun
a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease.

The so called vaccine does NOT give you immunity, equally it does NOT stop you passing on the virus.Why get petty about people who have been jabbed or have not when it is patently obvious that quite frankly we are all in the same boat......however much you try to divide us.

I rarely talk about non-football posts on here but that is probably the best post I’ve read on here all year.
Completely spot on and shows up where all the ‘covid Kevin’s’ on here are going wrong.

Omicron viewpoint - High Cases , Low hospitalisation and deaths

https://twitter.com/gbnews/status/14762 ... 55876?s=21

Covid: Wales 'loans' England four million Covid tests -

The Welsh government has "loaned" four million lateral flow tests to the UK government for use in England.

It brings the total number of tests sent across the border to 10 million, according to the PA News agency.

Professional health bodies in England have called for NHS staff to be given priority amid "patchy supply".

Deals such as these are common between the Welsh and UK governments, and have been negotiated previously to address shortages of tests and PPE.

It is unclear how the loan will work and how it will be repaid.

First Minister Mark Drakeford said: "Wales has a significant stock of lateral flow tests, sufficient to meet our needs over the weeks ahead."

It comes as the Welsh government announced it was cutting the isolation period for people who have Covid in Wales, from 10 days to seven, to help ease pressure on the NHS and other services.

Covid: Workplaces told to plan for absences of up to 25% -

Ministers have been tasked with developing "robust contingency plans" for workplace absences, as the government warned rising cases could see up to a quarter of staff off work.

Public sector leaders have been asked to prepare for "worst case scenarios" of 10%, 20% and 25% absence rates, the Cabinet Office said.

The UK has seen record numbers of daily cases over the festive period.

Transport, the NHS and schools have already seen the effect of absences.

Rising case numbers have led to large numbers self-isolating and being unable to go to work. This has particularly affected industries where staff are unable to work from home.

By the way; just to clear things up; I am not Boris Johnson in disguise, I am his love child!!

Thanks for the clarification

I'm not sure why people keep on banging on about vaccinated or unvaccinated or anything else. We do not have a vaccine for this virus, please get real and understand the reality of the situation. Whatever is getting jabbed into peoples arms, it is obviously NOT a vaccine.

vaccine
/ˈvaksiːn,ˈvaksɪn/
Learn to pronounce
noun
a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease.

The so called vaccine does NOT give you immunity, equally it does NOT stop you passing on the virus.Why get petty about people who have been jabbed or have not when it is patently obvious that quite frankly we are all in the same boat......however much you try to divide us.

Only because with Omicron previously catching Covid 19 doesn't give you guaranteed immunity, both give some immunity the same as flu vaccines.

https://metatron.substack.com/p/hospita ... accination

First day back at work so not had a chance to read the article on the above link fully and the author is not someone I've read a huge amount from before so won't vouch for them but on the surface, this article seems like an exceptional piece of data analysis on the rates of vaccinated versus unvaccinated in terms of hospitalizations with a breakdown by age.

The data set is fairly limited as it is just one county (Gloucestershire) but the numbers are still big enough to provide at least a reasonable snapshot and is more accurate than anecdotal evidence from those working on one specific ICU ward like those being referenced previously so I thought i'd share.

Again just to be crystal clear I'm not denying that the anecdotal evidence of these specific Doctors (Prof Pearce and I think there are two others one from Carmarthen and one from Cheshire - don't have time to look it up sorry) may be correct relating to their specific ICU wards - just that such anecdotal evidence on small data sets are not robust enough to be able to extrapolate meaningful insight and so headlines like '9 out of 10 ICU patients in London are unvaccinated' are at best misleading sensationalism and at worst deliberate deception of the public.

While there is a clear anti-vaccination bias evident in the author, they acknowledge this in their writing and from what I can see have tried to analyse the data as impartially as they can and test two competing hypotheses (one pro-vaccination the other against).

Whether or not you agree with the author's conclusions, the arguments are well laid out, objective, and supported by data. This is what the mainstream media should be doing rather than the shameful doom porn they peddle.

It's a fairly long read (why I've only skimmed it so far) but looks like a good report for those that are interested.

I'm not sure why people keep on banging on about vaccinated or unvaccinated or anything else. We do not have a vaccine for this virus, please get real and understand the reality of the situation. Whatever is getting jabbed into peoples arms, it is obviously NOT a vaccine.

vaccine
/ˈvaksiːn,ˈvaksɪn/
Learn to pronounce
noun
a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease.

The so called vaccine does NOT give you immunity, equally it does NOT stop you passing on the virus.Why get petty about people who have been jabbed or have not when it is patently obvious that quite frankly we are all in the same boat......however much you try to divide us.

Only because with Omicron previously catching Covid 19 doesn't give you guaranteed immunity, both give some immunity the same as flu vaccines.

So the 'vaccines':

• don't stop transmission
• don't provide immunity (you can't have some immunity you are either immune or not - protection is the word you're looking for)
• are a newly developed form of treatment using hitherto untested technology that was developed in record time
• which all manufacturers have been granted complete indemnity in the event that there happen to be severe side effects (like say I dunno myocarditis)

All while the data is now overwhelmingly clear that for anyone under 70 COVID has the same Infection Mortality Rate as influenza

So remind me of the argument in favor of taking them again?

I'm not sure why people keep on banging on about vaccinated or unvaccinated or anything else. We do not have a vaccine for this virus, please get real and understand the reality of the situation. Whatever is getting jabbed into peoples arms, it is obviously NOT a vaccine.

vaccine
/ˈvaksiːn,ˈvaksɪn/
Learn to pronounce
noun
a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease.

The so called vaccine does NOT give you immunity, equally it does NOT stop you passing on the virus.Why get petty about people who have been jabbed or have not when it is patently obvious that quite frankly we are all in the same boat......however much you try to divide us.

Only because with Omicron previously catching Covid 19 doesn't give you guaranteed immunity, both give some immunity the same as flu vaccines.

So the 'vaccines':

• don't stop transmission
• don't provide immunity (you can't have some immunity you are either immune or not - protection is the word you're looking for)
• are a newly developed form of treatment using hitherto untested technology that was developed in record time
• which all manufacturers have been granted complete indemnity in the event that there happen to be severe side effects (like say I dunno myocarditis)

All while the data is now overwhelmingly clear that for anyone under 70 COVID has the same Infection Mortality Rate as influenza

So remind me of the argument in favor of taking them again?

The fact that you were lockdown free thanks to most people having the vaccines is the main one, people have short memories

Happy New Year

I'm not sure why people keep on banging on about vaccinated or unvaccinated or anything else. We do not have a vaccine for this virus, please get real and understand the reality of the situation. Whatever is getting jabbed into peoples arms, it is obviously NOT a vaccine.

vaccine
/ˈvaksiːn,ˈvaksɪn/
Learn to pronounce
noun
a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease.

The so called vaccine does NOT give you immunity, equally it does NOT stop you passing on the virus.Why get petty about people who have been jabbed or have not when it is patently obvious that quite frankly we are all in the same boat......however much you try to divide us.

Only because with Omicron previously catching Covid 19 doesn't give you guaranteed immunity, both give some immunity the same as flu vaccines.

So deliberately catching covid 19 last year doesn't;

don't stop transmission
don't provide immunity (you can't have some immunity you are either immune or not - protection is the word you're looking for)
are a newly developed form of virus from fecking about with bats
which can cause death, long covid and many other conditions (like myocarditis) and more serious long term lung damage.

I'm not sure why people keep on banging on about vaccinated or unvaccinated or anything else. We do not have a vaccine for this virus, please get real and understand the reality of the situation. Whatever is getting jabbed into peoples arms, it is obviously NOT a vaccine.

vaccine
/ˈvaksiːn,ˈvaksɪn/
Learn to pronounce
noun
a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease.

The so called vaccine does NOT give you immunity, equally it does NOT stop you passing on the virus.Why get petty about people who have been jabbed or have not when it is patently obvious that quite frankly we are all in the same boat......however much you try to divide us.

Only because with Omicron previously catching Covid 19 doesn't give you guaranteed immunity, both give some immunity the same as flu vaccines.

So the 'vaccines':

• don't stop transmission
• don't provide immunity (you can't have some immunity you are either immune or not - protection is the word you're looking for)
• are a newly developed form of treatment using hitherto untested technology that was developed in record time
• which all manufacturers have been granted complete indemnity in the event that there happen to be severe side effects (like say I dunno myocarditis)

All while the data is now overwhelmingly clear that for anyone under 70 COVID has the same Infection Mortality Rate as influenza

So remind me of the argument in favor of taking them again?

The fact that you were lockdown free thanks to most people having the vaccines is the main one, people have short memories

Happy New Year

If I were being particularly cantankerous I'd argue the government's misplaced faith/hope in the vaccines being more effective than they actually are was the reason why there were fewer lockdowns.

Either that or the fact that the US effectively became the perfect petri-dish to analyze with the different approaches to lockdowns from different states showing that lockdowns were effectively a massive net-negative in terms of their limited impact on slowing the spread of the virus while creating huge broader societal health and economic issues and therefore there was little scientific basis for re-introducing them.

Either way, the government(s) knew they could keep lockdowns like a sword of Damocles always hanging over our heads and then be the false heroes that were protecting us from such severe restrictions - which they themselves created. I mean let's face it Boris and Drippy Drakeford are many things but they are very good politicians in terms of they know how to manipulate the masses to hold onto power - credit where it is due.

However, I'm never ever cantankerous me, so in the name of friendship and the dawning of a new year that will finally see the end of all this madness, sure let's chalk it up to the vaccines (great band by the way).

Happy New Year to you to dear 'Bina.

(P.S. I'll once again remind you politely, that you can check my posting history throughout the entirety of the pandemic and I have been remarkably consistent in my views. I have many, many flaws, but a short memory is not one of them)

I'm not sure why people keep on banging on about vaccinated or unvaccinated or anything else. We do not have a vaccine for this virus, please get real and understand the reality of the situation. Whatever is getting jabbed into peoples arms, it is obviously NOT a vaccine.

vaccine
/ˈvaksiːn,ˈvaksɪn/
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noun
a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease.

The so called vaccine does NOT give you immunity, equally it does NOT stop you passing on the virus.Why get petty about people who have been jabbed or have not when it is patently obvious that quite frankly we are all in the same boat......however much you try to divide us.

Only because with Omicron previously catching Covid 19 doesn't give you guaranteed immunity, both give some immunity the same as flu vaccines.

So deliberately catching covid 19 last year doesn't;

don't stop transmission
don't provide immunity (you can't have some immunity you are either immune or not - protection is the word you're looking for)
are a newly developed form of virus from fecking about with bats
which can cause death, long covid and many other conditions (like myocarditis) and more serious long term lung damage.

Sorry mate this might have just gone a bit over my head and I don't actually understand the point being made here?

Were people deliberately catching COVID last year? Bit dumb regardless of your position on the whole palaver. Even if you just got the flu-like symptoms that most got still not very nice.

Still, it takes all sorts I suppose.

I'm not sure why people keep on banging on about vaccinated or unvaccinated or anything else. We do not have a vaccine for this virus, please get real and understand the reality of the situation. Whatever is getting jabbed into peoples arms, it is obviously NOT a vaccine.

vaccine
/ˈvaksiːn,ˈvaksɪn/
Learn to pronounce
noun
a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease.

The so called vaccine does NOT give you immunity, equally it does NOT stop you passing on the virus.Why get petty about people who have been jabbed or have not when it is patently obvious that quite frankly we are all in the same boat......however much you try to divide us.

You’re just being pedantic now. By this logic we don’t have a vaccine for:
Mumps
Measles
Rubella
Typhoid
Rabies
Influenza
Hepatitis A
Hepatitis B
HPV
Meningitis
And many more as none of those are 100% effective.

Do you also think construction workers should stop wearing hard hats and goggles since they’re not 100% effective? Or should drivers stop wearing seatbelts since they don’t stop 100% of fatalities in car crashes?

I'm not sure why people keep on banging on about vaccinated or unvaccinated or anything else. We do not have a vaccine for this virus, please get real and understand the reality of the situation. Whatever is getting jabbed into peoples arms, it is obviously NOT a vaccine.

vaccine
/ˈvaksiːn,ˈvaksɪn/
Learn to pronounce
noun
a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease.

The so called vaccine does NOT give you immunity, equally it does NOT stop you passing on the virus.Why get petty about people who have been jabbed or have not when it is patently obvious that quite frankly we are all in the same boat......however much you try to divide us.

Only because with Omicron previously catching Covid 19 doesn't give you guaranteed immunity, both give some immunity the same as flu vaccines.

So the 'vaccines':

• don't stop transmission
• don't provide immunity (you can't have some immunity you are either immune or not - protection is the word you're looking for)
• are a newly developed form of treatment using hitherto untested technology that was developed in record time
• which all manufacturers have been granted complete indemnity in the event that there happen to be severe side effects (like say I dunno myocarditis)

All while the data is now overwhelmingly clear that for anyone under 70 COVID has the same Infection Mortality Rate as influenza

So remind me of the argument in favor of taking them again?

The fact that you were lockdown free thanks to most people having the vaccines is the main one, people have short memories

Happy New Year

If I were being particularly cantankerous I'd argue the government's misplaced faith/hope in the vaccines being more effective than they actually are was the reason why there were fewer lockdowns.

Either that or the fact that the US effectively became the perfect petri-dish to analyze with the different approaches to lockdowns from different states showing that lockdowns were effectively a massive net-negative in terms of their limited impact on slowing the spread of the virus while creating huge broader societal health and economic issues and therefore there was little scientific basis for re-introducing them.

Either way, the government(s) knew they could keep lockdowns like a sword of Damocles always hanging over our heads and then be the false heroes that were protecting us from such severe restrictions - which they themselves created. I mean let's face it Boris and Drippy Drakeford are many things but they are very good politicians in terms of they know how to manipulate the masses to hold onto power - credit where it is due.

However, I'm never ever cantankerous me, so in the name of friendship and the dawning of a new year that will finally see the end of all this madness, sure let's chalk it up to the vaccines (great band by the way).

Happy New Year to you to dear 'Bina.

(P.S. I'll once again remind you politely, that you can check my posting history throughout the entirety of the pandemic and I have been remarkably consistent in my views. I have many, many flaws, but a short memory is not one of them)

Nice one, we can agree the vaccines have been effective at reducing the effects of the virus resulting in less hospitalisations and less ICU requirements and ultimately less deaths, meaning the NHS didn't get overrun and we were able to have a reasonable life


We always knew this virus would drift to different forms to infect people who have previously caught the vaccine, and as a consequence people who have had a vaccine based on the original spike protein, in ether event immunity is still present and will reduce the chances of catching the latest variant omicron. Hopefully it continues to drift in the right direction and continue with milder symptoms as it seems to attach more to the throat than the lungs!

This could be the beginning of the end, they are working on a vaccine for Omicron but it may not be needed for everyone especially younger people, lets see what happens and hope future variants don't drift the other way and become more dangerous ?

I'm not sure why people keep on banging on about vaccinated or unvaccinated or anything else. We do not have a vaccine for this virus, please get real and understand the reality of the situation. Whatever is getting jabbed into peoples arms, it is obviously NOT a vaccine.

vaccine
/ˈvaksiːn,ˈvaksɪn/
Learn to pronounce
noun
a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease.

The so called vaccine does NOT give you immunity, equally it does NOT stop you passing on the virus.Why get petty about people who have been jabbed or have not when it is patently obvious that quite frankly we are all in the same boat......however much you try to divide us.

Only because with Omicron previously catching Covid 19 doesn't give you guaranteed immunity, both give some immunity the same as flu vaccines.

So deliberately catching covid 19 last year doesn't;

don't stop transmission
don't provide immunity (you can't have some immunity you are either immune or not - protection is the word you're looking for)
are a newly developed form of virus from fecking about with bats
which can cause death, long covid and many other conditions (like myocarditis) and more serious long term lung damage.

Sorry mate this might have just gone a bit over my head and I don't actually understand the point being made here?

Were people deliberately catching COVID last year? Bit dumb regardless of your position on the whole palaver. Even if you just got the flu-like symptoms that most got still not very nice.

Still, it takes all sorts I suppose.

The point I was making was that the points you raised about vaccines not being as effective against the Omicron variant, also apply to catching the vaccine, but that of the two catching the vaccine is more dangerous, plus would have overrun the NHS

See above it has drifted to a milder illness and as we can see massive numbers of people catching the virus it is currently not overstretching the NHS. The increased natural immunity and high vaccine take up is also having a massive effect on the reduction in hospitalisations, ICU requirements and deaths.