Vincent Tan tells Malky Mackay " No Money in January "

Bombshell!! Guys we gotta get real here!

You might have noticed there's been a few posts on here (and I put a few in) which were trying to analyse the odd behaviour of Malky re. team selection, the weird recent comments from Malky re. Cornelius and his refusal to play him, and also, Mehemet Dalman' s media release last week about no money for January contrasted with Malky's sudden press release yesterday that he wants no less than 3 new players in January!!!

Think about this for a moment:

1. We are led to believe Mehmet Dalman is Malky's mate on the board and the go between and peacemaker.
2. Whenever has Malky, the most conservative manager you'll ever see, used the media to circulate progressive news?
3. At the very least, Malky has instantly distanced himself from Dalman!
4. Tan has kept a low profile since the Moody sacking but suddenly erupted in the press through mouthpiece Simon Lim.

I'm not ITK in any shape or form but over the last week nothing added up; I thought everything eminating from the club was bizarre. I now believe we are in the grips of a '' no holds barred'' PR battle and I'm sorry to say, I know I won't win many Malky admirers over with this, but I think he is attempting to bolster his long term football reputation by resorting to open political warfare with Tan! I have no alliegence to either: my concern is the long term interest of Cardiff City, but I fear we are merely pawns in the middle of a bloody war. Tan has taken the soul out of the club and he's reduced a promising but inexperienced young manager to fight for his long term football reputation by naively entering a highly charged media war which he can never hope to win. Tan and his millions behind him will annihalate him ....... and my worry is, our club too!

What should be our finest ever season and the beginning of a Golden Dawn could spark Apocalypse and another Portsmouth in the making!!!

Sorry if some might think this post OTT but I'm close to tears tonight!!!

Tears!
Next thing you'll be admitting to being that roath jerky weirdo!

http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/news/1176484/?

We've had some good games at home to big sides enjoy it and move on. expect to get relegated and if we dont enjoy another season.

nothing wrong with the championship apart from Ego tripping forest and leicester fans thinking they are better than us again

Guys, a little street cred here please!

Believe me there are no good guys/bad guys in this scenario no matter what our gut feelings about Tan or Malky or whoever! Football is HUGE MEGA business now offering the conduit for maglomaniacs like Tan with more money than sense to advance their personal personas by dining at the top table in the social world! Quite apart from adding to their already busting coffers! At the same time it gives young aspiring football managers and players to get a leg up as celebs, make obscene money and make themselves household names. The poor fall guys in the middle are you and me. Just honest, hardworking Joes trying to provide a few crumbs for our families while living off humble wages and because of our love and obsession for our club, enjoying the highs and lows throughout the season without craving personal gain!

You can be a Malky lover or a craven (Plastic, I will fall in line) Tan red apologist but I tell you noone in this scenario deserves any credit. As usual hey are all looking after their own slimy backsides and using our passion as the means to their selfish ends!!!

Bombshell!! Guys we gotta get real here!

You might have noticed there's been a few posts on here (and I put a few in) which were trying to analyse the odd behaviour of Malky re. team selection, the weird recent comments from Malky re. Cornelius and his refusal to play him, and also, Mehemet Dalman' s media release last week about no money for January contrasted with Malky's sudden press release yesterday that he wants no less than 3 new players in January!!!

Think about this for a moment:

1. We are led to believe Mehmet Dalman is Malky's mate on the board and the go between and peacemaker.
2. Whenever has Malky, the most conservative manager you'll ever see, used the media to circulate progressive news?
3. At the very least, Malky has instantly distanced himself from Dalman!
4. Tan has kept a low profile since the Moody sacking but suddenly erupted in the press through mouthpiece Simon Lim.

I'm not ITK in any shape or form but over the last week nothing added up; I thought everything eminating from the club was bizarre. I now believe we are in the grips of a '' no holds barred'' PR battle and I'm sorry to say, I know I won't win many Malky admirers over with this, but I think he is attempting to bolster his long term football reputation by resorting to open political warfare with Tan! I have no alliegence to either: my concern is the long term interest of Cardiff City, but I fear we are merely pawns in the middle of a bloody war. Tan has taken the soul out of the club and he's reduced a promising but inexperienced young manager to fight for his long term football reputation by naively entering a highly charged media war which he can never hope to win. Tan and his millions behind him will annihalate him ....... and my worry is, our club too!

What should be our finest ever season and the beginning of a Golden Dawn could spark Apocalypse and another Portsmouth in the making!!!

Sorry if some might think this post OTT but I'm close to tears tonight!!!

Tears!
Next thing you'll be admitting to being that roath jerky weirdo!

Never lived in Roath in my life mate!

Guys, a little street cred here please!

Believe me there are no good guys/bad guys in this scenario no matter what our gut feelings about Tan or Malky or whoever! Football is HUGE MEGA business now offering the conduit for maglomaniacs like Tan with more money than sense to advance their personal personas by dining at the top table in the social world! Quite apart from adding to their already busting coffers! At the same time it gives young aspiring football managers and players to get a leg up as celebs, make obscene money and make themselves household names. The poor fall guys in the middle are you and me. Just honest, hardworking Joes trying to provide a few crumbs for our families while living off humble wages and because of our love and obsession for our club, enjoying the highs and lows throughout the season without craving personal gain!

You can be a Malky lover or a craven (Plastic, I will fall in line) Tan red apologist but I tell you noone in this scenario deserves any credit. As usual hey are all looking after their own slimy backsides and using our passion as the means to their selfish ends!!!

Wow! I usually refrain from commenting on Cardiff related posts. Especially one as sensitive as this. But that's one hell of a post, and should be read by every single football fan up and down the country! There it is a chaps, the winning post. Not just from a Cardiff City point of view, but from every single fan of every single club!

I dont get it.

hes had £35m already and now there is uproar he isnt getting MORE! 'Kin ell.

I dont get it.

hes had £35m already and now there is uproar he isnt getting MORE! 'Kin ell.

Crazy isn't is roathy. And look at how he's spent that £35m and the football on display. Value for money?....

Some city fans just want everything. Same fans will be complaining about the level of debt when the latest accounts are announced.

Cornelius is not wasted money, he was top scorer in his first season in Superliga and i have no doubt he has a very bright future, MM said he is not quite ready yet, we had to wait a while before MM was ready to play Kimbo and people on here said back then that it looks like Kimbo was a waste of money, well that certainly is not the case now!

Well said gav

I dont get it.

hes had £35m already and now there is uproar he isnt getting MORE! 'Kin ell.

Crazy isn't is roathy. And look at how he's spent that £35m and the football on display. Value for money?....

Some city fans just want everything. Same fans will be complaining about the level of debt when the latest accounts are announced.

Certainly is.

You know my feelings on value for money, i got banned for saying it. Medel for £11m when you needed wingers is insane when he does a job many others can do for a quarter of that fee. Buying Cornelius for £8m for the future when you need players now is insane when he is sat on the bench and you still didnt buy any wingers.

He has spent terribly and an incredible amount at that - if you were Tan, would you give him any more millions? I wouldnt.

Then you have those who say they only accepted the rebrand for financial security (yeah right) - yet those same people are annoyed he isnt getting over £50m to spend on players - its incredible, really is.

The sooner people start reading what i say and stop assuming im winding others up the better, i said this months ago.

http://talksport.com/football/mackay-wo ... 3121672124?

Simon Lim, Vincent Tans right hand man( our CEO), signed every paper,all the players off and all the Cheques. No one forced him, did Malky hold a gun to his head ?

Simon Lim, Vincent Tans right hand man( our CEO), signed every paper,all the players off and all the Cheques. No one forced him, did Malky hold a gun to his head ?

We keep being told he and the rest of thr board aren't football men. Malky recommended those players/deals. He is as much to blame for the failures.

The Cornelius deal has become beyond a joke.

Simon Lim, Vincent Tans right hand man( our CEO), signed every paper,all the players off and all the Cheques. No one forced him, did Malky hold a gun to his head ?

We keep being told he and the rest of thr board aren't football men. Malky recommended those players/deals. He is as much to blame for the failures.

The Cornelius deal has become beyond a joke.

I agree about Cornelius, but dont all managers make mistakes? did Sir Alex Ferguson not make some?
Are 6 out of 8 players that Malky signed not playing regular Prem football?

Simon Lim, Vincent Tans right hand man( our CEO), signed every paper,all the players off and all the Cheques. No one forced him, did Malky hold a gun to his head ?

We keep being told he and the rest of thr board aren't football men. Malky recommended those players/deals. He is as much to blame for the failures.

The Cornelius deal has become beyond a joke.

I agree about Cornelius, but dont all managers make mistakes? did Sir Alex Ferguson not make some?
Are 6 out of 8 players that Malky signed not playing regular Prem football?

How many managers of newly promoted sides blow the best part of £10m on a striker that's not up to it and survive in their job?

Simon Lim, Vincent Tans right hand man( our CEO), signed every paper,all the players off and all the Cheques. No one forced him, did Malky hold a gun to his head ?

We keep being told he and the rest of thr board aren't football men. Malky recommended those players/deals. He is as much to blame for the failures.

The Cornelius deal has become beyond a joke.

I agree about Cornelius, but dont all managers make mistakes? did Sir Alex Ferguson not make some?
Are 6 out of 8 players that Malky signed not playing regular Prem football?

How many managers of newly promoted sides blow the best part of £10m on a striker that's not up to it and survive in their job?

NJ are we bottom? NJ are we bottom 3? Dont u see Tan wants Malky out even if we were 8th in the Prem.

Simon Lim, Vincent Tans right hand man( our CEO), signed every paper,all the players off and all the Cheques. No one forced him, did Malky hold a gun to his head ?

We keep being told he and the rest of thr board aren't football men. Malky recommended those players/deals. He is as much to blame for the failures.

The Cornelius deal has become beyond a joke.

I agree about Cornelius, but dont all managers make mistakes? did Sir Alex Ferguson not make some?
Are 6 out of 8 players that Malky signed not playing regular Prem football?

How many managers of newly promoted sides blow the best part of £10m on a striker that's not up to it and survive in their job?

NJ are we bottom? NJ are we bottom 3? Dont u see Tan wants Malky out even if we were 8th in the Prem.

You didn't answer my question.

You've spent £35-50m on the back of a Championship winning side and still want to spend more. Can't you see off the back of that why the owner would be unhappy?

How much more? Another £10m? £20m? Where does it stop?

As i posted 2 months ago -

Re: January Targets

Postby TopCat CCFC » Wed Oct 02, 2013 1:18 pm
Cardiff City 'Can't Afford' More Star players -

http://www.cardiff.vitalfootball.co.uk/ ... p?a=334326

Simon Lim, Vincent Tans right hand man( our CEO), signed every paper,all the players off and all the Cheques. No one forced him, did Malky hold a gun to his head ?

We keep being told he and the rest of thr board aren't football men. Malky recommended those players/deals. He is as much to blame for the failures.

The Cornelius deal has become beyond a joke.

I agree about Cornelius, but dont all managers make mistakes? did Sir Alex Ferguson not make some?
Are 6 out of 8 players that Malky signed not playing regular Prem football?

How many managers of newly promoted sides blow the best part of £10m on a striker that's not up to it and survive in their job?

NJ are we bottom? NJ are we bottom 3? Dont u see Tan wants Malky out even if we were 8th in the Prem.

Maybe, but I think he wants the publicity more, which is why he told the press how much we were to spend on transfers back when we first won promotion, so it could be used as a tool at a later date. It's all about publicity for the share flotation. If there was a genuine overspend it is down to Tan or Lim for not studying the contracts properly as they had the final say on transfers. If not Moody's contract need not have been paid up.

All of a sudden we've over spent? where was tan or lim in the summer to say something or to stop signing the cheque's?

The reality is tan thinks we should be top 3 with spending that kind of money

Agree with many who have said that Malky and VT are destined to go their seperate ways and have been for some time.

I can see both sides. IF Tan gave Malky and Moody a £35m budget and they overspent - well they are going to get it in the neck. Also suspect Tan wouldn't be too concerned about the overspend if Malky and Moody had not wasted a fair wack of that money - A Corn for example. Before people say how can he be a waste he hasn't played etc - IMO we should not be paying £7m - £8m on a player for the future in our first season in the Premiership. We needed players who could come in and hit the ground running (Caulker and Medel).

Wonder if what we'll end up with is Malky walking and pushing for a case of constructive dismissal. That'll be dragged through an employment tribunal if Tan digs his heels in and it'll all come out in the wash then.

What will happen when he does leave? I can't see quality managers lining up around the block to take the job.

All this after a good performance and good three points on Saturday - shooting ourselves in the foot again

Agree. People saying how can he be a waste of money when he hasn't played? Because he HASN'T played, and yes he's been injured, but he's not playing now he's fit either. So, for right now, a waste of money.

Agree with many who have said that Malky and VT are destined to go their seperate ways and have been for some time.

I can see both sides. IF Tan gave Malky and Moody a £35m budget and they overspent - well they are going to get it in the neck. Also suspect Tan wouldn't be too concerned about the overspend if Malky and Moody had not wasted a fair wack of that money - A Corn for example. Before people say how can he be a waste he hasn't played etc - IMO we should not be paying £7m - £8m on a player for the future in our first season in the Premiership. We needed players who could come in and hit the ground running (Caulker and Medel).

Wonder if what we'll end up with is Malky walking and pushing for a case of constructive dismissal. That'll be dragged through an employment tribunal if Tan digs his heels in and it'll all come out in the wash then.

What will happen when he does leave? I can't see quality managers lining up around the block to take the job.

All this after a good performance and good three points on Saturday - shooting ourselves in the foot again

Agree. People saying how can he be a waste of money when he hasn't played? Because he HASN'T played, and yes he's been injured, but he's not playing now he's fit either. So, for right now, a waste of money.

what if he scores in the next 20 league games will he still be a waste of money? judge him when hes had at-least 5 full games

Wales online stirring shit up as usual?

Simon Lim, Vincent Tans right hand man( our CEO), signed every paper,all the players off and all the Cheques. No one forced him, did Malky hold a gun to his head ?

We keep being told he and the rest of thr board aren't football men. Malky recommended those players/deals. He is as much to blame for the failures.

The Cornelius deal has become beyond a joke.

the buck falls with CEO who is supposed to be responsible for the day to day running of the club, the same person that sanctioned the transfer dealings in the summer.

Malky has done fantastic things for the football club, but for the sake of both Malky and the club its time he moves on.

You cannot run a successful Premier League club where the manager and owner don't talk to each other, and play out their vicious spat in the media.

Tan is playing games, Malky is playing games. Tan has behaved disgracefully, Malky is responsible for some seriously below average buys.

Tan and Malky need to thrash out a settlement immediately, and both parties need to go their separate ways. Otherwise both are doomed.

Good bye Tan end off, he has stripped our club of its identity,pride and divided our club.

Hes also put the club on the global map

Polo he certainly did that, we were laughing stock all over the world.

We were on the global map when we reached the FA CUP final in 2008, A game beamed all over the world

United spent around 28 million on that Donkey Fellaini and no one hardly bats an eyelid , yes an experienced manager with years of premier league experience made a mistake with a transfer, it happens!!

Granted, the style of football we are playing is not great, but we have 17 points , with 3 games to go before we reach the half way stage of season and in my opinion are well on track to stay up .

Personally I believe malky is doing a great Job under the circumstances, it can't be easy for him with all this shit going on in the background and working for a dictator who thinks because he's spent 30 million that we should now be in the top 6 !!

They say it's a results business and I fail to see how anyone can criticise or expect better than our current position for our first season in what is described by many as the best league in the world !

Lets be honest (and perhaps even sensible) and admit some of the Malky / Moody signings have been a waste of money.
Cornelieus and Medel massively overpriced, mixed in with some very average signings like Odemwingie & Brayford. If I had spent that sort of cash (& add ons) I'd very miffed with Malky...especially as he wants 3 more and if these are going to have an impact on results then they will have big price tags.
On top of that he openly makes this statement without consulting Tan, for such an astute man this was professional suicide or knowing he's on borrowed time it's a good way of adding the final touch of paint to Tan as the pantomime villian.
He knows he's on borrowed time and with his stock at its highest with the fans it's all pointing to the inevitable:-
1 No New Players
2 A bad sequence of results
3 Slip into bottom three
4 Dismissal & £3m payoff
5 Another job before season end

Big shame, he's an excellent manager but there's lots of them around being sacked by foreign owners.....Villian or not I still want Tan's money here, I've done Halifax Town on a cold Wednesday in front of 1,700 fans....not again please.

Lets be honest (and perhaps even sensible) and admit some of the Malky / Moody signings have been a waste of money.
Cornelieus and Medel massively overpriced, mixed in with some very average signings like Odemwingie & Brayford. If I had spent that sort of cash (& add ons) I'd very miffed with Malky...especially as he wants 3 more and if these are going to have an impact on results then they will have big price tags.
On top of that he openly makes this statement without consulting Tan, for such an astute man this was professional suicide or knowing he's on borrowed time it's a good way of adding the final touch of paint to Tan as the pantomime villian.
He knows he's on borrowed time and with his stock at its highest with the fans it's all pointing to the inevitable:-
1 No New Players
2 A bad sequence of results
3 Slip into bottom three
4 Dismissal & £3m payoff
5 Another job before season end

Big shame, he's an excellent manager but there's lots of them around being sacked by foreign owners.....Villian or not I still want Tan's money here, I've done Halifax Town on a cold Wednesday in front of 1,700 fans....not again please.

Having said all the above, regarding Malkys transfer dealings, can I ask where in the league would you expect us to be sitting at this stage of the season??

United spent around 28 million on that Donkey Fellaini and no one hardly bats an eyelid , yes an experienced manager with years of premier league experience made a mistake with a transfer, it happens!!

They make around £450m a year, so £28m wasted is only 6% of their annual income.

You make around £80m this year, so £35m wasted is 44% of your annual income.

Thats sort of the point. You are newly promoted and spending like you are european champions, signing players is a risky business as some may not settle or work out. Yet you decided to make that gamble and even more stupidly signing a handful of expensive ayers when you needed almost a whole team (point I made prior to the season to which i got told I was wrong and stirring.... Again)

This

you take in to account tonight's statement regards figures of £50 million (with add ons), plus the £15 million from last season, then Mackay has had £65 million to spend in 18 months, that's hardly Tan not backing his manager.

In return this season, we've seen tediously negative football, from a very limited manager. He grossly over spent on Caulker and Medel, decent, but not great players that they are. And appears to have wasted £10 million on Cornelius and Brayford, two players who have contributed next to nothing so far this season. What owner would want to give Mackay more money. Let's not forget, prior to Saturday this was a team who'd won one in nine, and haven't scored in their last four away games, and were comprehensively played off the park by a Palace team considered by many to be the worst in the division.