27,000 +

this is crazy. Scraping into the top ten and winning the secondary cup competition is apparently the springboard to mass fans jumping on board, yet I've not seen anything to suggest that this is the case.

Yet, when I give facts about current attendances, this is blown out of the water apparently.

I thought you were a man who liked dealing in facts Roath? Facts show that Cardiff have a bigger fan base. All you are doing is making guesses. Until you can back up that winning the secondary cup competition will gain you more fans, that's all you're doing.

:laughing6: this is crazy. Scraping into the top ten and winning the secondary cup competition is apparently the springboard to mass fans jumping on board, yet I've not seen anything to suggest that this is the case.

You can call it what you want. The facts are we won a major trophy, qualified for european competition and finished 9th. This will have a possitive effect on our popularity. Its nonsense to suggest otherwise, it really is idiocy. This is common sense whether you like it or not.


Yet, when I give facts about current attendances, this is blown out of the water apparently.

im truly astounded you still have no grasped this. Truly.

We are at capacity. For example. If we had a fanbase of 500,000 we would still get an attendance of 20,000 because thats all the stadium can hold.. If at the same time you had a fanbase some 400,000 less at a figure of 100,000 you would get 27,000 at capacity. 7,000 more on the gate but 400,000 less in fanbase. Attendances are irrelevant when at capacity. If you cant grasp this then we are in for a long long day. It is the cornerstone of the whole debate.

I thought you were a man who liked dealing in facts Roath? Facts show that Cardiff have a bigger fan base. All you are doing is making guesses. Until you can back up that winning the secondary cup competition will gain you more fans, that's all you're doing.

i love facts however you have an odd grasp on them.

There is not one stat in circulation today that Cardiff have a bigger fanbase now - now that is a fact and i will bring you back to the facts in paragraph 1 which will explain why.

I love how you rely on Swansea being at capacity to say that you can't judge Swansea's fan base with that, yet are quite happy to judge Cardiff's fan base despite them being at capacity too.

Contradicting yourself there.

Back up your claims of winning the secondary cup competition = more fans with evidence & we can discuss that.

Until then, you're guessing.

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Cardiffs bigger full stop. Only a madman would say otherwise.

:laughing6: this is crazy. Scraping into the top ten and winning the secondary cup competition is apparently the springboard to mass fans jumping on board, yet I've not seen anything to suggest that this is the case.

You can call it what you want. The facts are we won a major trophy, qualified for european competition and finished 9th. This will have a possitive effect on our popularity. Its nonsense to suggest otherwise, it really is idiocy. This is common sense whether you like it or not.


Yet, when I give facts about current attendances, this is blown out of the water apparently.

im truly astounded you still have no grasped this. Truly.

We are at capacity. For example. If we had a fanbase of 500,000 we would still get an attendance of 20,000 because thats all the stadium can hold.. If at the same time you had a fanbase some 400,000 less at a figure of 100,000 you would get 27,000 at capacity. 7,000 more on the gate but 400,000 less in fanbase. Attendances are irrelevant when at capacity. If you cant grasp this then we are in for a long long day. It is the cornerstone of the whole debate.

I thought you were a man who liked dealing in facts Roath? Facts show that Cardiff have a bigger fan base. All you are doing is making guesses. Until you can back up that winning the secondary cup competition will gain you more fans, that's all you're doing.

i love facts however you have an odd grasp on them.

There is not one stat in circulation today that Cardiff have a bigger fanbase now - now that is a fact and i will bring you back to the facts in paragraph 1 which will explain why.

When you provide clear facts that Swansea's fan base is bigger then you will win the argument. The fact is we have bigger crowds and a bigger supporter database. Our historical data is vastly superior as well. Continuing to post garbage is making you look more ridiculous than ever. Even the jack fans on here think you are a joke.

I strongly advise you to speak to your carer/counsellor/GP and get serious help for your ailment that can probably be diagnosed along the lines of second city syndrome.

I love how you rely on Swansea being at capacity to say that you can't judge Swansea's fan base with that, yet are quite happy to judge Cardiff's fan base despite them being at capacity too.

Contradicting yourself. Back up your claims of winning the secondary cup competition = more fans with evidence & we can discuss that.

Until then, you're guessing.

Oh my word. ive come to the conclusion you are just thick, ive tried i really have. i cannot believe you still havent grasped this. You cant be doing this on purpose.

IT IS IRRELEVANT THAT SWANSEA OR CARDIFF ARE AT CAPACITY, THE FACT THAT THEY ARE MEANS WE CAN NO LONGER ACCURATELY GAGUE THEIR FANBASE. Please tell me you understand this point. Please.

We got promoted, stayed uo that season, then the next won a major trophy, qualified for european competition and then finished in top 10. This will always have a positive impact in fanbase, that much is obvious.

I am not aware of any club that harbours all these traits at the same time in order to compare. Your examples have been of clubs doing one if these in isolation and getting relegated the same season so it makes the example a bit pointless as that is not our situation.

But what we do know is success DOES increase the fanbase. And in the last 3 seasons have become the most successful welsh side in living memory.

Cardiff are a better supported club, theres no debate to even be had about that. Only a fool would argue otherwise.

7 pages of arguing would suggest Roathie is clinically insane!

There is every debate to be had about that.

You are basing that on historical data collated BEFORE Swansea became the most successful welsh side in living memory, hence its irrelevance.

Cardiff HAD the bigger fanbase, that much is clear. But im afraid only a fool could claim this to definately be the case today.

"living memory" always tailoring the argument to suit your agenda.

Fact is you are nowhere near as successful in history are you.


Tell you what, ask the question to all football fans, let them vote and I guarantee the majority will say Cardiff are the bigger club AND bigger supported.

Cardiff are a better supported club, theres no debate to even be had about that. Only a fool would argue otherwise.

7 pages of arguing would suggest Roathie is clinically insane!

There is every debate to be had about that.

You are basing that on historical data collated BEFORE Swansea became the most successful welsh side in living memory, hence its irrelevance.

Cardiff HAD the bigger fanbase, that much is clear. But im afraid only a fool could claim this to definately be the case today.

"living memory" always tailoring the argument to suit your agenda.

Fact is you are nowhere near as successful in history are you.


Tell you what, ask the question to all football fans, let them vote and I guarantee the majority will say Cardiff are the bigger club AND bigger supported.

I think he needs to Talk to Frank. He really has serious mental health issues.

When you provide clear facts that Swansea's fan base is bigger then you will win the argument. The fact is we have bigger crowds and a bigger supporter database. Our historical data is vastly superior as well. Continuing to post garbage is making you look more ridiculous than ever. Even the jack fans on here think you are a joke.

I strongly advise you to speak to your carer/counsellor/GP and get serious help for your ailment that can probably be diagnosed along the lines of second city syndrome.

I can reverse that and say the same to you. Provide me facts as to Cardiffs fanbase being bigger than Swanseas TODAY. not years ago, today.

Attendances. As you say, the fact that both are at capacity is irrelevant.

Cardiff are a better supported club, theres no debate to even be had about that. Only a fool would argue otherwise.

7 pages of arguing would suggest Roathie is clinically insane!

There is every debate to be had about that.

You are basing that on historical data collated BEFORE Swansea became the most successful welsh side in living memory, hence its irrelevance.

Cardiff HAD the bigger fanbase, that much is clear. But im afraid only a fool could claim this to definately be the case today.

"living memory" always tailoring the argument to suit your agenda.

Fact is you are nowhere near as successful in history are you.


Tell you what, ask the question to all football fans, let them vote and I guarantee the majority will say Cardiff are the bigger club AND bigger supported.

Oh my word we have gone back in circles.

No. The living memory part is due to the fact that in order to contribute to a fanbase boom the fans have to be alive. Its sort if a key point.

Do you honestly think when you were getting 4,000 in league 2 you git an attendance boom due to a cup win in 1927? No. Any attendance booms were due to recent success ie promotion to league 1 and then to the championship etc.

Any success in 1927 would have had an effect AT THE TIME.

We are discussing fan base increases TODAY.

When you provide clear facts that Swansea's fan base is bigger then you will win the argument. The fact is we have bigger crowds and a bigger supporter database. Our historical data is vastly superior as well. Continuing to post garbage is making you look more ridiculous than ever. Even the jack fans on here think you are a joke.

I strongly advise you to speak to your carer/counsellor/GP and get serious help for your ailment that can probably be diagnosed along the lines of second city syndrome.

I can reverse that and say the same to you. Provide me facts as to Cardiffs fanbase being bigger than Swanseas TODAY. not years ago, today.

22,000 season tickets. How many at swansea?
Over 100,000 on database. How many at Swansea?

THE FACT THAT THEY ARE MEANS WE CAN NO LONGER ACCURATELY GAGUE THEIR FANBASE. Please tell me you understand this point. Please.

Yet you've spent 8 pages in this thread trying to do just that.

THE FACT THAT THEY ARE MEANS WE CAN NO LONGER ACCURATELY GAGUE THEIR FANBASE. Please tell me you understand this point. Please.

Yet you've spent 8 pages in this thread trying to do just that.

The fact that you think that means you havent got the first clue whats being discussed here at all.

It genuinely seems you have turned into swansealad in this thread.

22,000 season tickets. How many at swansea?

17,500 i think but 100% sold to capacity so its irrelevant

Over 100,000 on database. How many at Swansea?

No idea, and neither have you any idea. Not that id take any notice if a database anyway

You have spent the last 8 pages on this thread trying to tell us that Swansea have a bigger fan base than Cardiff & then you go and say

THE FACT THAT THEY ARE MEANS WE CAN NO LONGER ACCURATELY GAGUE THEIR FANBASE.

All you've done is estimate & guess, whilst trying to dress it up as fact.

Wigan won more than Newcastle last season, do they have a bigger fan base now? No...

Attendances. As you say, the fact that both are at capacity is irrelevant.

The fact we are at capacity renders attendances pointless Barry. Wtf is going on with you? This is seriously primary school level stuff.

If i have 1000 sweets but can only fit 4 in my pocket and you have 20 sweets but can fir twice as much in your pockets... I have more sweets, you just have bigger pockets.

Ill try and do it that way, hopefully it will sink in.

You have spent the last 8 pages on this thread trying to tell us that Swansea have a bigger fan base than Cardiff & then you go and say

THE FACT THAT THEY ARE MEANS WE CAN NO LONGER ACCURATELY GAGUE THEIR FANBASE.

All you've done is estimate & guess, whilst trying to dress it up as fact.

Wigan won more than Newcastle last season, do they have a bigger fan base now? No...

I havent been telling you anything of the sort. The only thing ive been telling you is that success breeds a fanbase growth, we have now become the most successful welsh side in living memory and as a result believe we have a bigger fanbase and then went on to state the fact that there is nothing to prove otherwise.

Wigan were relegated and Newcastle have been more successful in living memory. You arent very good at this are you?

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22,000 season tickets. How many at swansea?

17,500 i think but 100% sold to capacity so its irrelevant
we're sold to capacity as well
Over 100,000 on database. How many at Swansea?

No idea, and neither have you any idea. Not that id take any notice if a database anyway

database is probably the best indicator after actual crowd figures as it shows the amount of fans purchasing tickets, merchandise and memberships.

You have lost the argument. Now walk away

Attendances. As you say, the fact that both are at capacity is irrelevant.

The fact we are at capacity renders attendances pointless Barry. Wtf is going on with you? This is seriously primary school level stuff.

If i have 1000 sweets but can only fit 4 in my pocket and you have 20 sweets but can fir twice as much in your pockets... I have more sweets, you just have bigger pockets.

Ill try and do it that way, hopefully it will sink in.

If i have 27,000 sweets and you only have 20,000. Ive got more sweets than you. You can say "Ive got more sweets, just have not got them on me" then I say "Stop lying and prove it". If you cant prove it your mental.

Yep your mental.

22,000 season tickets. How many at swansea?

17,500 i think but 100% sold to capacity so its irrelevant
we're sold to capacity as well

IT DOESNT MATTER it proves you have a bigger stadium not a bigger fanbase

Over 100,000 on database. How many at Swansea?

No idea, and neither have you any idea. Not that id take any notice if a database anyway

database is probably the best indicator after actual crowd figures as it shows the amount of fans purchasing tickets, merchandise and memberships.

You have lost the argument. Now walk away

it is a terrible indicator. Fans from any club can buy tickets in your home end. Fans can and do have multiple fan numbers. Tickets can be bought as gifts etc etc etc

And you dnt know our figure so even that comparison is pointless

Another disastrous thread for Roathie

Planet Swans are cringing for you

Attendances. As you say, the fact that both are at capacity is irrelevant.

The fact we are at capacity renders attendances pointless Barry. Wtf is going on with you? This is seriously primary school level stuff.

If i have 1000 sweets but can only fit 4 in my pocket and you have 20 sweets but can fir twice as much in your pockets... I have more sweets, you just have bigger pockets.

Ill try and do it that way, hopefully it will sink in.

If i have 27,000 sweets and you only have 20,000. Ive got more sweets than you. You can say "Ive got more sweets, just have not got them on me" then I say "Stop lying and prove it". If you cant prove it your mental.

Yep your mental.

Wtf

The analogy is to show the value of quantity not capacity. If you can only fit a certain amount in a container it gives no indication to the amount you actually possess.

This is completely and utterly surreal. Surely i must be a qualified primary school teacher after this?

Well you've made all these claims about how the Carling a up win has given you all these wonderful new fans, back it up?

We claim that premiership football has given us new fans and are able to back this up.

Well you've made all these claims about how the Carling a up win has given you all these wonderful new fans, back it up?

We claim that premiership football has given us new fans and are able to back this up.

I claim that success breeds new fans as ive proven. Even a league 2 promotion breeds new fans. So a major trophy, european football and a top 10 finish clearly will.

We were at capacity on promotion so any success after that just adds to the demand. A fanbase doesnt stop growing just because we cant fit anymore in otherwise expansions wouldn't happen.

Another disastrous thread for Roathie

Planet Swans are cringing for you

And if you believe that you will believe anything

22,000 season tickets. How many at swansea?

17,500 i think but 100% sold to capacity so its irrelevant
we're sold to capacity as well

IT DOESNT MATTER it proves you have a bigger stadium not a bigger fanbase

Over 100,000 on database. How many at Swansea?

No idea, and neither have you any idea. Not that id take any notice if a database anyway

database is probably the best indicator after actual crowd figures as it shows the amount of fans purchasing tickets, merchandise and memberships.

You have lost the argument. Now walk away

it is a terrible indicator. Fans from any club can buy tickets in your home end. Fans can and do have multiple fan numbers. Tickets can be bought as gifts etc etc etc

And you dnt know our figure so even that comparison is pointless

So I can't use database figures yet you can use Twitter followers to debate the relative sizes of each clubs support?

22,000 season tickets. How many at swansea?

17,500 i think but 100% sold to capacity so its irrelevant
we're sold to capacity as well

IT DOESNT MATTER it proves you have a bigger stadium not a bigger fanbase

Over 100,000 on database. How many at Swansea?

No idea, and neither have you any idea. Not that id take any notice if a database anyway

database is probably the best indicator after actual crowd figures as it shows the amount of fans purchasing tickets, merchandise and memberships.

You have lost the argument. Now walk away

it is a terrible indicator. Fans from any club can buy tickets in your home end. Fans can and do have multiple fan numbers. Tickets can be bought as gifts etc etc etc

And you dnt know our figure so even that comparison is pointless

So I can't use database figures yet you can use Twitter followers to debate the relative sizes of each clubs support?

You can use anything you like, however you cant use a database figure to compare if you dint know ours can you? although the twitter thing is just as stupid and flawed as the database argument.

Come on now a bit of sense.

By that logic Newcastle are better supported than Liverpool

They are, it's just more people walk around with Liverpool shirts on claiming to be fans but never going to matches.

By that logic Newcastle are better supported than Liverpool

They are, it's just more people walk around with Liverpool shirts on claiming to be fans but never going to matches.

Oh my word this thread gets better